Filler Line (Backing) 2024
PotomacBassin reply :
Does anyone else use cheap line to fill 1/4-1/2 of your spool before spooling on your main (more expensive line)? I don't see many people talk about this on here, but I buy some cheap mono (in my case BPS XPS mono) and I use this to fill half my spool before I spool my braid or fluorocarbon on. With the cost of braid and especially FC these days, I feel like this saves me a ton of money in the long run. I've done this for years and I've never had a fish run on me enough to pull out some of the cheap line. Just wondering how many other people do this or does everyone think this is just a waste of time with tying all the connection knots.
Doubled Over reply :
Yes, I do. I haven't had a problem with the knots when I set the hook.
Although many people prefer to put a just few feet of leader instead of half a spool's worth when conditions call for it... I might try this out in a couple months when the water starts to warm.
JigMe reply :
I have filled my spool 1/4 full with cheap lines from walmart, 1000 yard for 5-6 bucks then tie braided line onto it. I will use FC leader if needed, and its been working pretty well for me.
MarkH024 reply :
I do as well. I use Cabelas mono. It's dirt cheap.
Crappiebasser reply :
I have done it for years and never had a problem. On my flipping rods I only run about 30 yards of good line and the rest is filler. The line takes such a beating flipping heavy cover I replace it too often to use a half spool.
Darren. reply :
On 2/7/2013 at 9:01 PM, PotomacBassin said:Does anyone else use cheap line to fill 1/4-1/2 of your spool before spooling on your main (more expensive line)? I don't see many people talk about this on here, but I buy some cheap mono (in my case BPS XPS mono) and I use this to fill half my spool before I spool my braid or fluorocarbon on. With the cost of braid and especially FC these days, I feel like this saves me a ton of money in the long run. I've done this for years and I've never had a fish run on me enough to pull out some of the cheap line. Just wondering how many other people do this or does everyone think this is just a waste of time with tying all the connection knots.
Absolutely yes! Agree with you.
I use "old" mono I have laying around. I'll wrap sometimes only approx 10 yards of mono before braid mainline. Sometimes I've done around 1/4 of the spool. Rarely more than that.
Jaiden reply :
On 2/7/2013 at 10:34 PM, DarrenM said:Absolutely yes! Agree with you.
I use "old" mono I have laying around. I'll wrap sometimes only approx 10 yards of mono before braid mainline. Sometimes I've done around 1/4 of the spool. Rarely more than that.
I do the same. I find spools of line that won't fill a spool on a reel and use that as a backing.
SDoolittle reply :
On 2/7/2013 at 10:39 PM, Jaiden said:I do the same. I find spools of line that won't fill a spool on a reel and use that as a backing.
That's what I do too. I fill mine roughly 1/3 full with mono before spooling up with fluorocarbon.
Michael DiNardo reply :
Mo' definitely I do this. Heck, I do this with mono too.
Mike
OkobojiEagle reply :
Buy a smaller reel.
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Jig Meister reply :
yup I will buy the cheapest 10lb mono I can and back that for braid, only ever done this with braid though
Bankbeater reply :
All of my baitcasters have backing on them. I put a piece of tape around the backing line. After that I tie on just like I would tie to the spool.
rmcguirk reply :
To save money, I also run whatever I have available as backing before putting on more expensive (and new) braid or FC. I just found an older large spool of 20 lb mono. Thoughts on whether that's too thick to use as good backing?
J Francho reply :
Braid, yes. Fluoro or copoly, no backing. Cannot stand the bump from the knot under my thumb. For some reason, you don't get a bump from the knot with braid.
PABASS reply :
A fellow fisherman gave me this tip while back and been doing it since, no issues. Another pro angler that I have seen takes and strips 75 yards off and reties there and keeps doing this for a years. Another tip was reversing the lines, especially with braid. Since I try to use braid and FC leaders I don't go through my "main" line so much. In the river I fish my line gets torn up and leaders don't last long, so this has worked out well.
LuckyHandsINC. reply :
I have always used what I have around. This year I ran out of left overs so I bought some zebco omniflex from wal mart. 700 yards for $2.88 don't get much cheaper than that.
bassin is addicting reply :
All of my baitcasters have backing on them. I put a piece of tape around the backing line. After that I tie on just like I would tie to the spool.
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i also do this with the spinning reels that have braid on them.
Capt.Bob reply :
Trilene big game backer, blood knot to braid or fireline, then blood knot to fluoro. spin or casting, sometimes use big game as a leader instead of fluoro, in cloudy water rivers and such.
LuckyHandsINC. reply :
On 2/8/2013 at 3:38 AM, bassin is addicting said:All of my baitcasters have backing on them. I put a piece of tape around the backing line. After that I tie on just like I would tie to the spool.
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i also do this with the spinning reels that have braid on them.
That's what I do too. It avoids the annoying knot under my thumb.
PotomacBassin reply :
On 2/8/2013 at 2:25 AM, rmcguirk said:To save money, I also run whatever I have available as backing before putting on more expensive (and new) braid or FC. I just found an older large spool of 20 lb mono. Thoughts on whether that's too thick to use as good backing?
I don't think this is too thick to use as a filler. The thicker it is, the more space it takes up, meaning you can fill more space with less line. Just helps you save more money.
upnorthbassin reply :
I've backed reels before with mono but now I think it's just one more step and one more knot in the mix. I mostly did it on bigger reels to use as backing for braid. I am also liking the smaller reels like the 30 size pflueger reels for example. It's not going to take a ton of line to just spool it up and I don't feel that I need a bigger reel than that for bass. Now if I was using tatsu or something in that price range I might do it more often to save money.
SirSnookalot reply :
Some of the suggestions that have been mentioned are excellent cost saving measures, but not for me.
If I'm spending several hundred dollars on a rod and reel, I'm not shy to spend a little more and get the line of my choice, if it's on sale all the better. Not to debate favoring 1 brand over another, which has been beat to death already, I want line in healthy condition on my reels and don't care how often I have to change it. If I was overly concerned about total cost I'd be buying a more moderate priced outfit with the best line on it, not the reverse.
I prefer not to use backing at all with my braid, in the case of some of the smaller reels like a 30 floog it isn't that much line anyway. Reels that I'm using to catch fish that are capable of some long runs, I don't care to risk losing a great fish due to a knot failure or being striped down to the backing. If your fish is strong enough to go 50 yds, it can do a 100 yds just as easy.
alexczarn reply :
I do as well. I usually use Maxima.
Darren. reply :
On 2/8/2013 at 3:09 AM, PABASS said:Another tip was reversing the lines, especially with braid.
I do this, too. Just the other day I picked up 20 lb yellow PP for my Lexa which had new 40 lb green PP spooled on it for striper fishing. simply put the Lexa in free spool, took my Accurist and spooled the 40 off the Lexa onto it. Money saver, for sure.
WhiteMike1018 reply :
What happens when you get a nasty backlash and need to strip off line? Then all your stuck with is the cheap mono........thoughts?
BradGuenette reply :
On 2/9/2013 at 5:01 PM, SirSnookalot said:I prefer not to use backing at all with my braid, in the case of some of the smaller reels like a 30 floog it isn't that much line anyway. Reels that I'm using to catch fish that are capable of some long runs, I don't care to risk losing a great fish due to a knot failure or being striped down to the backing. If your fish is strong enough to go 50 yds, it can do a 100 yds just as easy.
It's not just for savings costs, braided line will slip if it is tied directly to the spool... Hence the reason for backing.
JigMe reply :
On 2/9/2013 at 10:35 PM, DirtNasty said:It's not just for savings costs, braided line will slip if it is tied directly to the spool... Hence the reason for backing.
You can put a piece of tape on the spool, so it wont slip.
SirSnookalot reply :
QuoteDirtNasty, on 09 Feb 2013 - 09:40, said:
On 2/9/2013 at 10:35 PM, DirtNasty said:It's not just for savings costs, braided line will slip if it is tied directly to the spool... Hence the reason for backing.
You can put a piece of table on the spool, so it wont slip.
Tied direct to the spool yes, a piece of masking or electrical tape on the spool first NO SLIP. I even use tape before spooling up with mono.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 2/9/2013 at 5:01 PM, SirSnookalot said:Some of the suggestions that have been mentioned are excellent cost saving measures, but not for me.
If I'm spending several hundred dollars on a rod and reel, I'm not shy to spend a little more and get the line of my choice, if it's on sale all the better. Not to debate favoring 1 brand over another, which has been beat to death already, I want line in healthy condition on my reels and don't care how often I have to change it. If I was overly concerned about total cost I'd be buying a more moderate priced outfit with the best line on it, not the reverse.
I prefer not to use backing at all with my braid, in the case of some of the smaller reels like a 30 floog it isn't that much line anyway. Reels that I'm using to catch fish that are capable of some long runs, I don't care to risk losing a great fish due to a knot failure or being striped down to the backing. If your fish is strong enough to go 50 yds, it can do a 100 yds just as easy.
Knot a problem, (Pun intended) really, if you use a proper knot and the right line it should never be a problem. I have never had an issue with breaking off, and have been in my backing a time or two, it just takes a little longer to rig. I use a 10 to 12 foot Fluorocarbon leader on all my setup's so there would be a failure at the leader first if I was going to have one at the backing, never been a problem, and I have been rigging this way for over 20 years, I just used mono before there was Fluorocarbon.
SirSnookalot reply :
On 2/10/2013 at 6:06 PM, Capt.Bob said:Knot a problem, (Pun intended) really, if you use a proper knot and the right line it should never be a problem. I have never had an issue with breaking off, and have been in my backing a time or two, it just takes a little longer to rig. I use a 10 to 12 foot Fluorocarbon leader on all my setup's so there would be a failure at the leader first if I was going to have one at the backing, never been a problem, and I have been rigging this way for over 20 years, I just used mono before there was Fluorocarbon.
I can't imagine having a problem with perch or walleye either, just reel them in, not the case with many other species.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 2/10/2013 at 6:28 PM, SirSnookalot said:I can't imagine having a problem with perch or walleye either, just reel them in, not the case with many other species.
some don't use rope for everything. 2 and 6 pound you better learn how to do more than real em in when your catching 8 to 12 pound Eyes, and same system works for Pike and Musky, with 15 to 20 lbs line!! Size means nothing when you learn how to play any species on ultra light line, you just chase fish with heavier line!!!! Big fish heavier line like you fish, or smaller fish lighter line like I usually fish same requierments! Get them Big Musky near heavy weeds and I will go to 30 LBS. test for big musky, you know weeds like we have hear coontail and the likes, maybe you don't know I think those are pretty scarce in salt water???
SirSnookalot reply :
On 2/10/2013 at 7:18 PM, Capt.Bob said:some don't use rope for everything. 2 and 6 pound you better learn how to do more than real em in when your catching 8 to 12 pound Eyes, and same system works for Pike and Musky, with 15 to 20 lbs line!! Size means nothing when you learn how to play any species on ultra light line, you just chase fish with heavier line!!!! Big fish heavier line like you fish, or smaller fish lighter line like I usually fish same requierments! Get them Big Musky near heavy weeds and I will go to 30 LBS. test for big musky, you know weeds like we have hear coontail and the likes, maybe you don't know I think those are pretty scarce in salt water???
Who uses rope, most of us down here including myself fish 10-20 line and mh spinning for fish the size of pike and muskie. I won't argue pound for pound what fish fights harder, think what you will on that. You may choose to use backing for a 40# muskie, I wouldn't consider doing that for tarpon or jack, using fresh new line is the best ploy here, difference between landing and losing them. Out of curiosity how many 30 or 40# muskie you catch in a year, 10-20 of them? I catch a lot more than 20 fish that size in a year, I gotta go with works for me and I do most of it from shore where I chase them down on foot, try doing that for a couple of hundred yards.
BTW, I grew up on Lake St Clair and fished it for 50 years, very familiar with perch, walleye, bass smallmouth pike and muskie
J Francho reply :
Guys, let's try to stay relevant here. It's a bass fishing site, after all.
ww2farmer reply :
I use cheapo wal mart Zebco omni flex 10lb test, connected to my braid main line with an alberto knot. I have never had a big bass, pike or even a 30lb plus carp spool me to the backing. I have even been caught with my pants down a time or two, and been low on braid and got down to, and even casted out some backing with no issues, but I don't fish like that for long. I tend to, if I have it it the boat, but more braid on right away, or finish the day out, and change it before I hit the water again.
LgMouthGambler reply :
On 2/9/2013 at 9:44 PM, WhiteMike1018 said:What happens when you get a nasty backlash and need to strip off line? Then all your stuck with is the cheap mono........thoughts?
You just dont backlash, lol.
Capt.Bob reply :
On 2/10/2013 at 11:23 PM, J Francho said:Guys, let's try to stay relevant here. It's a bass fishing site, after all.
I couldn't agree more!! Thank you!
J Francho reply :
I love the idea of backing with whatever mono you have, and then wrapping that with tape. I'm putting that one in my back pocket. Great tip!
JigMe reply :
On 2/9/2013 at 9:44 PM, WhiteMike1018 said:What happens when you get a nasty backlash and need to strip off line? Then all your stuck with is the cheap mono........thoughts?
150 yard spool with 50 yard as backing, then fill 100 yard with braid. If you are think 100 yard is not enough, then I would practice with BC using cheap lines to get confortable. You will get back lash once a while, but I have used 832 on the same spool for two seasons and only had to retie leader on it.
rmcguirk reply :
On 2/11/2013 at 10:18 PM, J Francho said:I love the idea of backing with whatever mono you have, and then wrapping that with tape. I'm putting that one in my back pocket. Great tip!
I'm going to respool shortly and try this. I'm thinking that using hockey tape (tacky) will eliminate any slipage issues. No?
Silas reply :
Seems like years and years ago there was a "cork arbor" that fit over the spool arbor, to do just this....take up space so you wouldn't have to use so much line.
Has anyone else seen one of these? You young guys wouldn't know what I'm talking about! LOL!
lmbfisherman reply :
I usually try and do a 50/50 split, For braid or floro and even PLine! Cause I'm a "frugal" fisherman.
Topwaterspook reply :
"Frugal".....yea that's what I am ......lol.....sounds a lot better'n CHEAP............... 
..............I've been using the backing trick for years.........As for size, I found an old one pound spool of 25lb. fenwick Lunkerline. It's worked out fine for me.
0119 reply :
Snook needs the capacity for good line with the miami beasts he catches. You NEVER need to put tape or backing on a reel for the issue of slippage. Just wrap the braid 4 or 5 times around the arbor before making a uni knot. It will never slip. Watch Jose Wiebe's video on how. Backing makes alot of sense but it also makes some sense to tie with no mono backing. The nylon absorbs water during fishing. The braid prevents the backing from properly drying and can cause your spool to corrode if its not in perfect condition. Certainly an issue in saltwater if not most members bass waters
SirSnookalot reply :
Thanks for the input 0119, I do use tape on my arbor first, even with mono, not that I need it but it's just gives me a bit of extra confidence and takes but a moment to do. I don't know about catching beasts, lol, but some of these hombres down here can put up a bit of a tussle. I want 1 continuous strand of line and it being in healthy condition. Taking it one step further, I quite often forgo the arbor knot and just tape my line on, again no slippage at all. I do have fish on the line once in while that can spool me all the way down, I'm going to lose my lure and line anyway and the knot probably will not stop that fish. I doubt it would happen but why take a chance on harming the reel. I treat my freshwater spooling no different than what I do in saltwater. I'm not much of a technical kind of guy, but when I need technical info, 0119 is the man to go to.
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