Hey guys, just saw that Bass Pro has a new version of the Pro Qualifier. 1.5 oz lighter than the original. Looks a little sleeker and updated which it needed to be. Same price though...that's good. May have to try one out.
That's cool. Pro qualifier is a great real for the price, especially when its on sale
A much needed update to their bread and butter reel. BUT, is it too little, too late to recapture market share that they probably lost while the PQ just got older and older ?
For this new iteration, weight is 7.3 ounces - not too bad. BUT, there was a 6.7 ounce PQ years ago - it was the original, gold-colored Carbonlite which had an aluminum drive gear, driveshaft, wormshaft, and clutch pawl, along with a lighter handle. Otherwise it was parts-interchangeable with a PQ.
Trying to follow the high-speed craze, the new PQ gearing now tops at 7.5:1 (31 IPT), going down to 6.8:1 (28 IPT), and bottoming out (for now?) at 5.6:1 (23 IPT). Part of the versatility of the old PQ was those two lower ratios giving 21 IPT and 19 IPT - hopefully something lower than 23 IPT eventually shows up in the new line-up.
Well, good luck to them - for sure they will be able to capitalize on the rep of the previous PQ and capture some sales on that alone...
On 12/25/2016 at 11:43 PM, riverbasser said:That's cool. Pro qualifier is a great real for the price, especially when its on sale
How much do they go for on sale?
On 12/26/2016 at 1:15 AM, Jeff H said:
How much do they go for on sale?
I have 4 of them. Bought one at reguler price $99. One for $89 on sale and earlier this year got two for $79. All online but they run more sales in store if you have one close by.(I don't)
The cheapest I've seen the PQ is $65 but $89-$99 is common. Retail used to be $129.
Hmmm, my 10yr old PQ is my work horse reel and still going strong. I may have to check those out.
Mike
On 12/26/2016 at 1:48 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:The cheapest I've seen the PQ is $65 but $89-$99 is common. Retail used to be $129.
I stand corrected. The $129 was likely a JM model. Point remains though the PQ is a value at list and even more so on sale.
The The new Johnny Morris 2.0.
9/1 bearings (6/1 on pq2)
carbon handle (aluminum on pq2)
6.7oz vs 7.3oz (JM 2.0 vs pq2)
14lbs drag (10lbs on pq2)
Available in 8.#:1 ratio even in lefty.
Carbon Fiber side plates (not so sure about that)
For$20 more than a pq2...
Steal.........
Indeed - the JM Carbonlite 2.0 certainly has more than $20 in added value over the PQ 2.
Now that there is a new JM Carbonlite 2.0 (which appears to be the same platform as the PQ 2) - I wonder what BPS will do with the current 5.8 ounce JM Carbonlite (white) reel which is a completely different platform with a different braking system...
In any event - clearance prices coming on the earlier gen reels...
On 12/26/2016 at 7:52 AM, webertime said:The The new Johnny Morris 2.0.
9/1 bearings (6/1 on pq2)
carbon handle (aluminum on pq2)
6.7oz vs 7.3oz (JM 2.0 vs pq2)
14lbs drag (10lbs on pq2)
Available in 8.#:1 ratio even in lefty.
Carbon Fiber side plates (not so sure about that)
For$20 more than a pq2...
Steal.........
This is the way I'd go. The PQ description says nothing about the drag material and the Carbonlite has a 6 disc carbon fiber drag and that one thing alone would almost be worth the extra $20 to me. I would certainly find another $20 if I had to! What would keep me away from these reels is the dual braking system. Not a fan.
Right now Cabela's has the Arachnid (Daiwa Tatula Type R) on sale for $110. That's cheaper than I've seen the Type R's on ebay! THAT is a steal!
I'm heading to BPS tomorrow.I planned on checking this out.Glad I picked up the 7.1:1 29 IPT before they changed all the ratios.Hope the made it better and didn't ruin a good thing.
I love the look of the new PQ. I might get one.
Is it just me or does it look very similar to the Lew's LFS frame?
On 12/26/2016 at 2:20 PM, bass raider said:Is it just me or does it look very similar to the Lew's LFS frame?
Hey, im not complaining
On 12/26/2016 at 8:40 AM, Goose52 said:Indeed - the JM Carbonlite 2.0 certainly has more than $20 in added value over the PQ 2.
Now that there is a new JM Carbonlite 2.0 (which appears to be the same platform as the PQ 2) - I wonder what BPS will do with the current 5.8 ounce JM Carbonlite (white) reel which is a completely different platform with a different braking system...
In any event - clearance prices coming on the earlier gen reels...
This freaked me out just a bit (ok, freaked me out might be too strong). Just bought two in the past month to pair with a 7'MM carbonlite for cranks and a 7'MHF for spinnerbaits/ jigs (a 5x and a 6x respectively). Nothing like seeing your brand new reels become 1.0 within two weeks of buying them.
From what I could see the composite side plates are now carbon fiber and the duraluminum gear is now brass. Think it is now heavier by an ounce?
On 12/26/2016 at 9:07 PM, dwardmba said:This freaked me out just a bit (ok, freaked me out might be too strong). Just bought two in the past month to pair with a 7'MM carbonlite for cranks and a 7'MHF for spinnerbaits/ jigs (a 5x and a 6x respectively). Nothing like seeing your brand new reels become 1.0 within two weeks of buying them.
From what I could see the composite side plates are now carbon fiber and the duraluminum gear is now brass. Think it is now heavier by an ounce?
The "new" JM-CL 2.0 is now on a different reel platform than the "1.0" that you just bought - so you can't compare weights by the identified parts differences - they're different animals.
The PQ has always been a Doyo-based reel. The "Johnny Morris-Carbonlite" (both the original black/charcoal and later white color that you just bought) were based on a Dawon design having both the centrifugal and magnetic braking adjustments on the outside of the reel. The NEW JM-CL 2.0 reel, based on the photographs, is now back to being an upgraded PQ, and as such is back to a Doyo platform having the earlier DBS system with magnetic adjustment on the outside of the reel and the centrifugal settings on the spool.
Older JM-CL (1.0) = Apples, New JM-CL 2.0 = Oranges ...
Thanks for clearing that up. Appreciate your many posts on reels- a lot of knowledge passed on.
Looks like an improvement...fatty lost some weight and inches. I'd like to check one out in store.
On 12/27/2016 at 1:14 AM, cottny27 said:Looks like an improvement...fatty lost some weight and inches. I'd like to check one out in store.
I went this morning and they didn't have them.The guy told me they were getting rid of the old ones to make room.The other good news is because of the cabelas merger they have the daiwa tatula ct online!
On 12/27/2016 at 1:14 AM, cottny27 said:Looks like an improvement...fatty lost some weight and inches. I'd like to check one out in store.
I went this morning and they didn't have them.The guy told me they were getting rid of the old ones to make room.The other good news is because of the cabelas merger they have the daiwa tatula ct online!
On 12/27/2016 at 8:10 AM, 5965derek said:I have owned several pq's, Johnny Morris golds, the bronze carbonlites, black and white carbonlites. The gold were tanks just too big and too heavy. Loved the bronze carbonlites and didn't much care for the white or black ones. The only one I still have is a pq I bought 5 years ago that has handled deep cranking duty like a charm. I hope they don't ruin a good workhorse like the pq making it lighter and such. I've turned a lot of guys onto them if they were looking for a reel that would last for under 100 bucks. Curious to see how these new reels hold up
The bronze Carbonlite?? Is that the one from about 6-7yrs ago some consider gold? The 6.7oz with the carbon handle with the same platform as the PQ. A guy just sent me one to take apart and clean. Claims there is a problem with the drag which I have yet to see. I'm hoping to make an offer on it when I'm done since he doesn't really use it anymore. What do you guys think would be a good offer?? Its got some minor chips, but overall is in good shape.
On 12/30/2016 at 10:39 PM, cottny27 said:The bronze Carbonlite?? Is that the one from about 6-7yrs ago some consider gold? The 6.7oz with the carbon handle with the same platform as the PQ. A guy just sent me one to take apart and clean. Claims there is a problem with the drag which I have yet to see. I'm hoping to make an offer on it when I'm done since he doesn't really use it anymore. What do you guys think would be a good offer?? Its got some minor chips, but overall is in good shape.
It's amazing how well the original "gold" Carbonlites (CL10H) have held their value. I just checked 3 completed eBay listings and they sold for between $65 to $80 (with the difference being box/no box and cosmetic condition).
Anyway, I own 4 of this model Carbonlite - nice reels (I still have 2 NIB for a rainy day ). One thing I would check is the condition of the brass brake drum for the centrifugal brakes and the condition of the spring-loaded brake shoes. If the drum isn't scored too badly and if the shoes haven't worn down too much you could make an offer around $65 or so and it would probably be fair.
Check out:
CL 1
CL 2
CL 3
On 12/31/2016 at 1:17 AM, Goose52 said:
It's amazing how well the original "gold" Carbonlites (CL10H) have held their value. I just checked 3 completed eBay listings and they sold for between $65 to $80 (with the difference being box/no box and cosmetic condition).
Anyway, I own 4 of this model Carbonlite - nice reels (I still have 2 NIB for a rainy day ). One thing I would check is the condition of the brass brake drum for the centrifugal brakes and the condition of the spring-loaded brake shoes. If the drum isn't scored too badly and if the shoes haven't worn down too much you could make an offer around $65 or so and it would probably be fair.
Check out:
CL 1
CL 2
CL 3
Thanks. I was thinking around $60-70 before breaking into it...and I wonder if Outdoor World still has some of the parts for this model. It still seems very smooth for its age.
On 12/31/2016 at 1:58 AM, cottny27 said:Thanks. I was thinking around $60-70 before breaking into it...and I wonder if Outdoor World still has some of the parts for this model. It still seems very smooth for its age.
On parts - the Carbonlite-unique parts include the drivegear, driveshaft, clutch pawl, and worm shaft (all aluminum), the handle, and of course the gold colored frame, nose piece, clutchbar, and sideplates. Hard to say if Outdoor World still has that stuff. But, those parts, and all the others, could most likely be substituted by PQ parts which should still be available. The CL spool tension cap is unique to the CL as well and I can't say offhand if a PQ cap would substitute (if so, it wouldn't have the "clicks").
On 12/31/2016 at 2:56 AM, Goose52 said:
On parts - the Carbonlite-unique parts include the drivegear, driveshaft, clutch pawl, and worm shaft (all aluminum), the handle, and of course the gold colored frame, nose piece, clutchbar, and sideplates. Hard to say if Outdoor World still has that stuff. But, those parts, and all the others, could most likely be substituted by PQ parts which should still be available. The CL spool tension cap is unique to the CL as well and I can't say offhand if a PQ cap would substitute (if so, it wouldn't have the "clicks").
Goose,
If you are ok with it I may attach some picks of the internals once I take it apart. Hopefully you will comment on them. Sounds like you may be an expert when it comes to this reel. I'm not so sure how good my eye is on identifying which parts are worn. I plan on polishing up the brake drum anyway + the spool & pinion. The bearings don't sound like they are bad from what I could tell so far.
On 12/31/2016 at 5:40 AM, cottny27 said:Goose,
If you are ok with it I may attach some picks of the internals once I take it apart. Hopefully you will comment on them. Sounds like you may be an expert when it comes to this reel. I'm not so sure how good my eye is on identifying which parts are worn. I plan on polishing up the brake drum anyway + the spool & pinion. The bearings don't sound like they are bad from what I could tell so far.
No problem on posting pics.
On polishing the brake drum - if it's only scratched a bit, and you don't take off too much material, that might be OK. However, if the brake drum is deeply scored, there's not much you can do about it other than replace the entire sideplate (the drum is NOT available as a replacement part).
Here are file photos that were taken as part of the PQ Five-Year Challenge test - these illustrate the areas that will show the most wear:
Brake drum wear (scored drum on left, new part on right):
Brake shoe wear (worn shoe on left, good shoe on right):
Frame wear in the area behind the clutch thumb bar (those grooves indicated by the red arrows shouldn't be there - it should be completely flat):
If the Carbonlite that you're looking at is good in the above areas, then probably the only thing else that you might want to check is wear to the worm shaft and line guide pawl.
A worn line guide pawl will look like this:
A new line guide pawl will look like the one in the upper right corner of this photo:
The line guide pawls are the same between CL and PQ and should be available. The CL has an aluminum worm shaft that may (or may not) be available but you can always substitute a PQ part.
If the brake drum is deeply scored, if the brake shoes are worn, or the frame grooved, then take a pass on the reel because those parts, even if available, would sour the deal from a $$$ perspective.
On 12/31/2016 at 7:21 AM, Goose52 said:
No problem on posting pics.
On polishing the brake drum - if it's only scratched a bit, and you don't take off too much material, that might be OK. However, if the brake drum is deeply scored, there's not much you can do about it other than replace the entire sideplate (the drum is NOT available as a replacement part).
Here are file photos that were taken as part of the PQ Five-Year Challenge test - these illustrate the areas that will show the most wear:
Brake drum wear (scored drum on left, new part on right):
Brake shoe wear (worn shoe on left, good shoe on right):
Frame wear in the area behind the clutch thumb bar (those grooves indicated by the red arrows shouldn't be there - it should be completely flat):
If the Carbonlite that you're looking at is good in the above areas, then probably the only thing else that you might want to check is wear to the worm shaft and line guide pawl.
A worn line guide pawl will look like this:
A new line guide pawl will look like the one in the upper right corner of this photo:
The line guide pawls are the same between CL and PQ and should be available. The CL has an aluminum worm shaft that may (or may not) be available but you can always substitute a PQ part.
If the brake drum is deeply scored, if the brake shoes are worn, or the frame grooved, then take a pass on the reel because those parts, even if available, would sour the deal from a $$$ perspective.
Well I'm bummed now...see pics.
On 12/31/2016 at 11:38 AM, cottny27 said:Well I'm bummed now...see pics.
I've seen worse than that one but it isn't good. The brake shoes are probably worn as well. It doesn't mean the reel is toast yet, but it does mean that it's just that much closer to the time when the brake drum scoring gets deep enough, and the brake shoes wear down enough, that you start to loose braking force. At some point, you have to keep adding more centrifugal until you have all 6 shoes active. THEN, at that point, the reel is just about toast.
The brake shoes are not available as a replacement part - you have to buy a complete spool assembly ($). I ordered 2 sideplate assemblies from Outdoor World about 4 years ago and I think they were only about $18 each but then factor in shipping and it may not be worth sinking even that much money into this reel.
The brass brake drum, and the captive centrifugal brake shoes, are the Achilles heel of these Doyo DBS designs.
On 12/31/2016 at 1:06 PM, Goose52 said:I've seen worse than that one but it isn't good. The brake shoes are probably worn as well. It doesn't mean the reel is toast yet, but it does mean that it's just that much closer to the time when the brake drum scoring gets deep enough, and the brake shoes wear down enough, that you start to loose braking force. At some point, you have to keep adding more centrifugal until you have all 6 shoes active. THEN, at that point, the reel is just about toast.
The brake shoes are not available as a replacement part - you have to buy a complete spool assembly ($). I ordered 2 sideplate assemblies from Outdoor World about 4 years ago and I think they were only about $18 each but then factor in shipping and it may not be worth sinking even that much money into this reel.
The brass brake drum, and the captive centrifugal brake shoes, are the Achilles heel of these Doyo DBS designs.
I work next to a BPS and Outdoor World ships free to store. Sideplate assembly includes??? I guess I'm screwed on replacing the brake drum? For $18 I'm not getting the whole side plate including the drum am I? Not that Outdoor World would still carry this model. I seen you replaced the whole side on your old PQ was that only $18? Seems to good to be true.
i just ordered 1 of the new 8:1 carbonlites. i've got 1 of the original gold, 3 of the pro qualifier tournaments, and 3 of the black. i've never had a problem with any of them, other than the grinding noise the 7:1 blacks make. the 5:1 black is as smooth as can be though.
On 1/1/2017 at 12:29 AM, cottny27 said:I work next to a BPS and Outdoor World ships free to store. Sideplate assembly includes??? I guess I'm screwed on replacing the brake drum? For $18 I'm not getting the whole side plate including the drum am I? Not that Outdoor World would still carry this model. I seen you replaced the whole side on your old PQ was that only $18? Seems to good to be true.
I went back and read this post from my 5-Year Challenge thread. In July 2012, the sideplate assembly (parts 79 to 90 in the below schematic) was ONLY $14 - a GREAT deal especially since you get a new spool bearing! I can't say what they would cost today. You might want to call Outdoor World next week and ask about availability and cost. The model number for that Carbonlite is CL10H (right) / CL10HL (left)
On 12/25/2016 at 11:52 PM, Goose52 said:A much needed update to their bread and butter reel. BUT, is it too little, too late to recapture market share that they probably lost while the PQ just got older and older ?
For this new iteration, weight is 7.3 ounces - not too bad. BUT, there was a 6.7 ounce PQ years ago - it was the original, gold-colored Carbonlite which had an aluminum drive gear, driveshaft, and clutch pawl, along with a lighter handle. Otherwise it was parts-interchangeable with a PQ.
Trying to follow the high-speed craze, the new PQ gearing now tops at 7.5:1 (31 IPT), going down to 6.8:1 (28 IPT), and bottoming out (for now?) at 5.6:1 (23 IPT). Part of the versatility of the old PQ was those two lower ratios giving 21 IPT and 19 IPT - hopefully something lower than 23 IPT eventually shows up in the new line-up.
Well, good luck to them - for sure they will be able to capitalize on the rep of the previous PQ and capture some sales on that alone...
Wow. I didn't know that. Thanks. Thanks also for posting the various pictures. I have 2 of the gold colored Carbonlites. I had "Prolite" on my brain when I spooled them with 6 lb. mono. Thought it might have been a mistake, but these reels will cast a 3/16 oz. Shad Rap very well so I made out okay with my line choice.
On 12/31/2016 at 7:21 AM, Goose52 said:
No problem on posting pics.
On polishing the brake drum - if it's only scratched a bit, and you don't take off too much material, that might be OK. However, if the brake drum is deeply scored, there's not much you can do about it other than replace the entire sideplate (the drum is NOT available as a replacement part).
Here are file photos that were taken as part of the PQ Five-Year Challenge test - these illustrate the areas that will show the most wear:
Brake drum wear (scored drum on left, new part on right):
Brake shoe wear (worn shoe on left, good shoe on right):
Frame wear in the area behind the clutch thumb bar (those grooves indicated by the red arrows shouldn't be there - it should be completely flat):
If the Carbonlite that you're looking at is good in the above areas, then probably the only thing else that you might want to check is wear to the worm shaft and line guide pawl.
A worn line guide pawl will look like this:
A new line guide pawl will look like the one in the upper right corner of this photo:
The line guide pawls are the same between CL and PQ and should be available. The CL has an aluminum worm shaft that may (or may not) be available but you can always substitute a PQ part.
If the brake drum is deeply scored, if the brake shoes are worn, or the frame grooved, then take a pass on the reel because those parts, even if available, would sour the deal from a $$$ perspective.
Goose, so I took the reel completely apart pretty much. Cleaned it and greased using Superlube. The reel had never been serviced since new prob 6-7yrs. Now I have this small squeak that is annoying. Took the handle and drag star off and spun the reel with the drive shaft... still a squeak. I did grease the AR bearing. Was that a mistake? I feel like that's causing the noise. Right the the AR bearing is soaking in Simple Green. I plan on piling it lightly and reinstalling. Yes, I am a bit anal I'll admit ?
On 1/2/2017 at 8:06 AM, cottny27 said:Goose, so I took the reel completely apart pretty much. Cleaned it and greased using Superlube. The reel had never been serviced since new prob 6-7yrs. Now I have this small squeak that is annoying. Took the handle and drag star off and spun the reel with the drive shaft... still a squeak. I did grease the AR bearing. Was that a mistake? I feel like that's causing the noise. Right the the AR bearing is soaking in Simple Green. I plan on piling it lightly and reinstalling. Yes, I am a bit anal I'll admit ?
I've tinkered with PQs quite a bit but never had a squeak after assembly. On the AR bearing, all I use for lube is to put some oil on a q-tip and run it lightly over the rollers just before assembly. I also usually run the same q-tip around the sleeve washer as well. However, I'll defer to the real reel experts on the proper way to service the AR bearing...
On 1/2/2017 at 8:20 AM, Goose52 said:
I've tinkered with PQs quite a bit but never had a squeak after assembly. On the AR bearing, all I use for lube is to put some oil on a q-tip and run it lightly over the rollers just before assembly. I also usually run the same q-tip around the sleeve washer as well. However, I'll defer to the real reel experts on the proper way to service the AR bearing...
I'm going to try oiling it lightly. I just polished the sleeve washer it's slick.
On 1/2/2017 at 8:20 AM, Goose52 said:
I've tinkered with PQs quite a bit but never had a squeak after assembly. On the AR bearing, all I use for lube is to put some oil on a q-tip and run it lightly over the rollers just before assembly. I also usually run the same q-tip around the sleeve washer as well. However, I'll defer to the real reel experts on the proper way to service the AR bearing...
Goose, one last question: the sleeve that goes over the AR bearing which way should the prongs be facing towards the drag washer or upward towards the handle? It's completely hollow on one end and has a little squaring on the inside of the other end to hold it tight.
On 1/3/2017 at 3:59 AM, cottny27 said:Goose, one last question: the sleeve that goes over the AR bearing which way should the prongs be facing towards the drag washer or upward towards the handle? It's completely hollow on one end and has a little squaring on the inside of the other end to hold it tight.
The "key" (driveshaft slot) on the sleeve should be outboard (handle side).
On 1/3/2017 at 4:22 AM, Goose52 said:
The "key" (driveshaft slot) on the sleeve should be outboard (handle side).
Thanks, just making sure.
And I got a thumbs ? on the sideplate assembly today.
The PQ was the best reel for under 100 bucks out there. I have four of them and have had them for years, and only two need maintenance for a screeching problem on the cast now. The wide variety of gear ratios was great, I'm not into this high speed craze. I am always nervous when "new and improved" comes out. I say if it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT!
On 1/4/2017 at 3:20 AM, iceintheveins said:The PQ was the best reel for under 100 bucks out there. I have four of them and have had them for years, and only two need maintenance for a screeching problem on the cast now. The wide variety of gear ratios was great, I'm not into this high speed craze. I am always nervous when "new and improved" comes out. I say if it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT!
Yep, I don't need anything more than 6.4:1 and like to use 5.4:1 as much as I can get away with it.
On 1/1/2017 at 1:37 AM, Goose52 said:
I went back and read this post from my 5-Year Challenge thread. In July 2012, the sideplate assembly (parts 79 to 90 in the below schematic) was ONLY $14 - a GREAT deal especially since you get a new spool bearing! I can't say what they would cost today. You might want to call Outdoor World next week and ask about availability and cost. The model number for that Carbonlite is CL10H (right) / CL10HL (left)
Goose, what did that spool assembly cost for the PQ if you recall? I read through your 5 year post and didn't see that you listed that. I could have missed it. Great post!
On 1/5/2017 at 9:33 PM, cottny27 said:Goose, what did that spool assembly cost for the PQ if you recall? I read through your 5 year post and didn't see that you listed that. I could have missed it. Great post!
I never ordered a new spool and kept running the old spool with the worn brakes. I have a feeling that they quoted something like $30 or so and I decided to pass.
On 1/5/2017 at 10:42 PM, Goose52 said:
I never ordered a new spool and kept running the old spool with the worn brakes. I have a feeling that they quoted something like $30 or so and I decided to pass.
That's more than I want to spend considering I won't be charging him anything and he may not sell it to me. Anyway, the brakes tabs look in way better shape than the drum does. I think it will be fine for awhile. I fixed the squeak by greasing up the AR sleeve & running a little oil along the spool and pinion raceway
The spool still spins freely.
On 12/26/2016 at 1:15 AM, Jeff H said:
How much do they go for on sale?
I don't know what the PQ2 goes for on sale. But I bought the PQ1 for $50-55 plus tax during the spring classic sale. Best baitcaster I've bought for $50.
On 1/4/2017 at 3:54 AM, cottny27 said:Yep, I don't need anything more than 6.4:1 and like to use 5.4:1 as much as I can get away with it.
I have a 6.4:1 and a 7.1:1 and I have to say I have been glad I was using the 7:1 worm fishing a couple times when the fish has swam right towards me. The 7:1 just kept up with him maintaining a tight line reeling as fast as i could. I use my 6.4:1 for everything else.