Expensive reel question 2024
Yeajray231 reply :
Anybody care to try and answer why a tatula costs 200 and a steez is 450??? I mean it's the same company... now I understand Chevy makes the Cobalt and the Corvette .. but is this a correct comparison for the tatula and steez?? I feel like the only reason it's that high is because some people want to pay that much!!! ( so that "regular" folks can't own one.. )
Please anybody. Try and justify 250 extra dollars. I could own 2 tatulas and spool them both for what it costs for one steez . What's so special ?? Truly that much better ?? Or are we just being ritzy...
BaitFinesse reply :
Which Steez? The Steez TWS is made from magnesium and is a very nice reel. A Tatula feels slopy and noisy by conparison. Reels like the Steez exist for those who want the extra niceness it has over the Tatula. I'd rather have a minty fresh used $200 last gen Steez to save a bit of cash and forego the T wing.
Personally I like my $500 reels to be round,made from machine aluminum and annodised.
Yeajray231 reply :
On 4/25/2017 at 8:01 AM, LowRange said:Which Steez? The Steez TWS is made from magnesium and is a very nice reel. A Tatula feels slopy and noisy by conparison. Reels like the Steez exist for those who want the extra niceness it has over the Tatula. I'd rather have a minty fresh used $200 last gen Steez to save a bit of cash and forego the T wing.
Personally I like my $500 reels to be round,made from machine aluminum and annodised.
Sloppy isn't a very good adjective ... What makes it sloppy compared to this steez other than noise ?
Aye dude if you have the money for it more power to you.. I'm just trying to figure out why it's 250 dollars extra... A little more quiet doesn't justify it for me.. but it's a start.
pondbassin101 reply :
All I can say is I can't afford either of them.
BaitFinesse reply :
Tatulas can be a little noisy and lose when compared to other Daiwas. Steez are very tight and refined by comparison. They're also much lighter being from a fairly exotic metal, magnesium. The stock spool on the Steez is also much lighter than the Tatula SV and is more capable with light weight baits. The Steez also uses a common spool dimension meaning that many different spools will fit the platform giving the owner the option to choose a spool baised on weight, capacity and braking profile.
They're just nicer reels is all. It's up to you if you are willing to pay for that exta niceness. The Tatula is a good value workhorse platform that is plenty nice enough for most folks.
Poolshark reply :
After a certain price point (given you want durability out of your reel) ... It comes down to a level of refinement that you might prefer, but isn't necessary.
Tighter tolerances, lighter spools, retrieve feel, bells and whistles...
Whatever floats your boat. I've settled where I find I get the max durability/ performance ratio for the money and I've been happy there. I'd rather own two curado 70s than a one metanium. But that's me and I won't spend my valuable time convincing others to do the same. Your life, your money. Whatever makes one happy and helps one have fun on the water,
NHBull reply :
I often wonder why a corvette is so much more than a camaro? In all seriousness, there is a distinct difference between the ci4 and mgl......it is all in the feel and if it is worth it for ya
RoLo reply :
On 4/25/2017 at 7:40 AM, Yeajray231 said:Anybody care to try and answer why a tatula costs 200 and a steez is 450??? I mean it's the same company... now I understand Chevy makes the Cobalt and the Corvette .. but is this a correct comparison for the tatula and steez??
Good question Yearjray, and I wouldn't want to be the defending attorney.
I have the same question regarding the price difference between a Shimano Stradic ($230)
and a Shimano Stella ($800). As the owner of both reels, I wouldn't know which reel was in my hand
if I didn't look down and read the label 
Roger
Yeajray231 reply :
On 4/25/2017 at 9:29 AM, RoLo said:
Good question Yearjray, and I wouldn't want to be the defending attorney.
I have the same question regarding the price difference between a Shimano Stradic ($230)
and a Shimano Stella ($800). As the owner of both reels, I wouldn't know which reel was in my hand
if I didn't look down and read the label
Roger
Retired in Florida. 800 dollar reels. You made some good choices along the way didn't ya.
I'm glad you said this though . ! I value your opinion. And although my view on this subject may be a little biased (because I'm on the outside looking in) , I'm not so sure I could be convinced otherwise !
RoLo reply :
On 4/25/2017 at 10:01 AM, Yeajray231 said:Retired in Florida. 800 dollar reels. You made some good choices along the way didn't ya.
I'm glad you said this though . ! I value your opinion. And although my view on this subject may be a little biased (because I'm on the outside looking in) , I'm not so sure I could be convinced otherwise !
Not being on the Bait Monkey's payroll, I'm not motivated to recommend the esoteric 
bigturtle reply :
If you think that money to performance is a linear thing. its not. you pay more and more money for less and less increase in performance. money to performance graph is not a straight line, its a curve. thats how business works.
Angry John reply :
there is always smart money and i would take the blow out sv 103 for that money and have a better reel that the tat and be way less than the sv. But wait there's more. I own two steez reels and for the buying more reels i will pick a zillion every time now. They are smooth heavy duty and just great all around. Are you stuck on that t wing because i sure am not.
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kickerfish1 reply :
Mainly what your are getting is the weight reduction from the magnesium frame. You are also getting likely better palming and a bit more compact profile with the Steez. Usually a few more clicking do-dads like a cast control cap. Sometime a lighter handle and better looking knobs. I would also venture to guess higher quality bearings. I am not sure If I would think the difference would be worth the extra $. Seems like you can find older Steez 103, 100s, and EX models for under $100. Could drop any type of spool even an SV in it and be all said and done for under $400. I have heard mixed reviews on the new Steez SV TW.
Once you start talking about reels that clear $400 retail I either want one of 3 things. Something pretty rare or collectible, something very light weight 5.5 ounces or less give or take, or superior distance casting either on the finesse side or with normal baits. I haven't heard anyone rave about the new Steez having any of these characteristics outside of the reel being sexy looking and light. I am sure it is a great reel but it will likely be a Daiwa SV reel that I skip.
Frankly I would but a SV 105 and either a SV 103 or Tat SV and have two really nice reels for the money. I have seen the SV 105s just a shade over $200 from Japan. The Tat SV is $200 but I bet you can find them for $180 or less. The SV 103s are around in places but pricing will vary and they are drying up fast.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
There's definitely a point of diminishing returns but prices can only be raised to what the market will tolerate. Whether it's cars, houses, wine, fishing tackle you name it, some people enjoy the finer things. Doesn't make th bad or others bad for choosing to be more frugal. On a strict cost / benefit basis IMO $250-$275 will get you all the reel you want.
DaveT63 reply :
On 4/25/2017 at 11:19 AM, kickerfish1 said:I am not sure If I would think the difference would be worth the extra $. Seems like you can find older Steez 103, 100s, and EX models for under $100. Could drop any type of spool even an SV in it and be all said and done for under $400. I have heard mixed reviews on the new Steez SV TW.
If you can find an older Steez 103 for under $100, let me know and I'll double your money. But it has to be in decent shape and a lefty.
Edited by DaveT63Sam reply :
Why does one reel cost more than others?
Is it the number of bearings? The metal parts vs. plastic parts? The tightness of the gears vs. looser gears? Is the reel designed for casting farther? Can the reel take the pressure of high test lines and big fish? Is the braking system more advanced? Does the metal weigh less than a lower cost reel of its size? And how much in research and development went into the design, creation and testing of a high level reel?
My friend who repairs reels tells me that the Shimano Curado was once top of the line based on his experience and the internal parts used. Now, he likes the Lew's reels as he says they are built stronger and have better internal parts. Shimano products are in second place along with Abu Garcia. Would be nice to read what our friend at Delaware Tackle has to say about this.
What is puzzling is that the bass could care less if you are using a Zebco or a Steetz. I have caught big bass on Shimano baitcasters and spinning reels with different line test and presentations.
Your topic is excellent and I want to close with this bit of philosophy: Confidence. If you have confidence in your rods, reels, line, hooks and baits then that is all you need. Your question boils down to confidence. If you have more confidence in high end products then use them. If you are like me you will go with the lower cost equipment for daily fishing and keep the high end rods and reels for tournament fishing. Confidence. Remember, confidence.
Good luck and now stop reading and to out and catch your new personal best with a Zebco using the Banjo Minnow!!!!!
NHBull reply :
On a side note, fishing is like another hobby where equipment is required.
"you can't tell the cost of something until the accounting period is over"
I bet bet that is you purchased both at retail......
used them for 2 years, then sold.....I bet the cost wouldn't be to far off,and you you have had the use for 2 yrs. Just thinking of my other hobbies....
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On paper the Lews/ABU design is inferior in that the pionion gear is unsupported by any bearing. In use I don't see that it hampers performance though. I don't care for the skimpy hardware Shimano and others are using. Only time will tell when it comes to longevity. Each brand and model has unique features and flaws. If you had the tooling to blend them all into an ultimate reel they'd all have something to offer. I don't think any one brand has a monopoly on quality across the board.
BassWhole! reply :
On 4/25/2017 at 7:40 AM, Yeajray231 said:Anybody care to try and answer why a tatula costs 200 and a steez is 450??? I mean it's the same company... now I understand Chevy makes the Cobalt and the Corvette .. but is this a correct comparison for the tatula and steez?? I feel like the only reason it's that high is because some people want to pay that much!!! ( so that "regular" folks can't own one.. )
Please anybody. Try and justify 250 extra dollars. I could own 2 tatulas and spool them both for what it costs for one steez . What's so special ?? Truly that much better ?? Or are we just being ritzy...
There are several reasons. Sure there is the technical, objective difference of the added costs of more advanced materials, closer tolerances, etc. But the marketing realities are really the reason. The car analogy isn't a bad one. You create your flagship product to both appeal and sell to those who must have the "best" as well as to create a demand for product down the line. Stella sells Sustains, Sustains sell Stradics, Stradics sell the products down the line. An $800 reel makes a $400 reel seem like a bargain.
Yeajray231 reply :
@Sam I get where you're coming from.. and I agree about the confidence but no. Lol you did a good job explaining why higher end reels cost more than lower end... But you didn't really point out what the main difference was between the 2 reels I provided .. and justify the 250 dollar difference...
Here's what I got... A little lighter/ more compact frame.. a lighter spool.. a little more quiet and possibly a tension knob cap...
Pretty much have my answers. Some good replies. And I can easily tell who likes what and how they feel about this
robster80 reply :
On 4/25/2017 at 7:32 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:On paper the Lews/ABU design is inferior in that the pionion gear is unsupported by any bearing. In use I don't see that it hampers performance though. I don't care for the skimpy hardware Shimano and others are using. Only time will tell when it comes to longevity. Each brand and model has unique features and flaws. If you had the tooling to blend them all into an ultimate reel they'd all have something to offer. I don't think any one brand has a monopoly on quality across the board.
When u say skimpy hardware what parts r u referring to? And on some of Shimanos less expensive options or on the higher end stuff like the Met,etc? Just curious. Ive always been under the impression the Lews/Abu stuff is nowhere near the build quality of shimano/daiwa
Columbia Craw reply :
I wish I could afford extra niceness.
kickerfish1 reply :
On 4/25/2017 at 6:06 PM, DaveT63 said:If you can find an older Steez 103 for under $100, let me know and I'll double your money. But it has to be in decent shape and a lefty.
That was a typo. Should have been $300.
TX-Deluxe reply :
Could we say that the extra smoothness of the very high and reels equates to better sensitivity on your retrieves?
Hell F1 cars once used brake pads made by Lockheed Martin
Esoxfreak reply :
Ok, I'll be the odd man out and try to justify it using your car analogy. The tatula weighs in at about the high end of 7 ounces, the steez around the low end of 5. That's the difference of about...let's see...what's a whopper plopper weight(I picked that cause I'm sure we've all seen or own one,lol)? 1 3/8oz??? If that ain't right, it's close. So the weight difference is kinda big. Now, a viper, or vettez06 will run around 200mph, but getting above 240mph is a completely different story. It requires so many more horsepower for every mph over 240, then gets exponential around 260. A few production cars can do that:2 in particular the Bugatti veyron and the Hennessey venom gt. So much research and technology goes into every mph for those cars. Special paint,engine configurations, components that are super strong but lightweight,and so on. You can get a veyron for about $2,000,000. On top of that, Volkswagen LOOSES a few million on every car but it's their flagship. You sell more passats and golfs when you have the wolds fastest production car(not any more thanks to the venom).
So the steez is Diawas flagship. It says "look what our company is capable of." They made it that light without sacrificing quality. There are lighter reels on the market, but they seem to sacrifice components to shed weight.
the point is I'd love to have a steez the same way I'd love to have a veyron. Not for any reason other than it's a friggin veyron!
J Francho reply :
A better analogy would be Camaro/Corvette.
d-camarena reply :
I used to love my lews lfs. I thought it was the beezneez. Then i bought a custom speed spool and was amazed at the difference. Now i want to try a higher end one
BaitFinesse reply :
The Steez TWS spool also much lighter than the Tatula SV spool making it better suited to sub 1/4 oz baits. The Steez OP has posted is the Steez A which is an aluminum frame, magforce z reel with a deep heavy spool. I'd rather have the Tat SV over the Steez A.
Esoxfreak reply :
On 4/26/2017 at 3:07 AM, J Francho said:A better analogy would be Camaro/Corvette.
The tatula is the corvette and the steez is the veyron. A lot less common a lot more advanced.i see what your sayin though, same company, upgraded Product. I was just sayin in not so many words that they will both get groceries(catch fish), just so much goes into the other one.
J Francho reply :
I get it...At $450, that Steez is not at the top. There are variants that are hundreds above that. So, what I was saying is you have a $45K saloon against an $80K sports coupe - closer ratio on price points. Since the Veyron is actually hand built by a small custom house, I'd use that analogy to an hyper expensive, exotic, limited run MegaBass offering.
d-camarena reply :
I think we are done here.
Thread locked.
Wait im no mod
Big-Bass reply :
Sometimes it not about the performance of the reel as much as the enjoyment of being able to buy one and fish one (if you choose or want to). I love some of my cheaper reels and also love my more expensive ones. But refinement of design comes with a cost. People catch fish on Zebco 33 reels every day but some people choose to spend more money to enjoy the same thing. It's funny because I know guys with cheap tackle and bass boats. I fish expensive tackle out of a small boat LOL!
robster80 reply :
On 4/26/2017 at 7:53 AM, Big-Bass said:Sometimes it not about the performance of the reel as much as the enjoyment of being able to buy one and fish one (if you choose or want to). I love some of my cheaper reels and also love my more expensive ones. But refinement of design comes with a cost. People catch fish on Zebco 33 reels every day but some people choose to spend more money to enjoy the same thing. It's funny because I know guys with cheap tackle and bass boats. I fish expensive tackle out of a small boat LOL!
Same here. Expensive tackle off the bank or a jon boat
Angry John reply :
I fish a steez on a st croix le or an alphas ito and a steez flex lite out of a kayak, do what you love and know what means the most to you..
Yeajray231 reply :
On 4/26/2017 at 9:07 AM, Angry John said:I fish a steez on a st croix le or an alphas ito and a steez flex lite out of a kayak, do what you love and know what means the most to you..
Right but can you justify the 250 dollar price difference between the two reels pictured ?
I'm sure you can if you read through the replies... It's not much in my opinion.
Im glad you can afford things like that tho!
I could too if I didn't wanna pay my bills or feed my child lol
Maybe one month we can go without electric and I can get one
TX-Deluxe reply :
To the OP.
Buy both at the same time. Buy 2 identical rods.
Make your opinion and return the combo you don't prefer
Yeajray231 reply :
On 4/26/2017 at 9:22 AM, TX-Deluxe said:$250 to some people is like $20 to me.
To the OP.
Buy both at the same time. Buy 2 identical rods.
Make your opinion and return the combo you don't prefer
Lol i appreciate your enthusiasm bro. I'd love to do that seriously.
I have other expenses though !
On 4/26/2017 at 9:22 AM, TX-Deluxe said:$250 to some people is like $20 to me.
To the OP.
Buy both at the same time. Buy 2 identical rods.
Make your opinion and return the combo you don't prefer
Lol i appreciate your enthusiasm bro. I'd love to do that seriously.
I have other expenses though !
Raul reply :
2 TDZ 103H
2 TDZ 105H
3 PIXY Airy red 2005 limited edition
1 Alphas Itö
1 Alphas Type F
1 Alphas R Edition
1 Zonda 68
1 SS SV
Were they worth it ? To me ---> Yes.
RMax reply :
On 4/26/2017 at 2:48 AM, Esoxfreak said:Ok, I'll be the odd man out and try to justify it using your car analogy. The tatula weighs in at about the high end of 7 ounces, the steez around the low end of 5. That's the difference of about...let's see...what's a whopper plopper weight(I picked that cause I'm sure we've all seen or own one,lol)? 1 3/8oz??? If that ain't right, it's close. So the weight difference is kinda big. Now, a viper, or vettez06 will run around 200mph, but getting above 240mph is a completely different story. It requires so many more horsepower for every mph over 240, then gets exponential around 260. A few production cars can do that:2 in particular the Bugatti veyron and the Hennessey venom gt. So much research and technology goes into every mph for those cars. Special paint,engine configurations, components that are super strong but lightweight,and so on. You can get a veyron for about $2,000,000. On top of that, Volkswagen LOOSES a few million on every car but it's their flagship. You sell more passats and golfs when you have the wolds fastest production car(not any more thanks to the venom).
So the steez is Diawas flagship. It says "look what our company is capable of." They made it that light without sacrificing quality. There are lighter reels on the market, but they seem to sacrifice components to shed weight.
the point is I'd love to have a steez the same way I'd love to have a veyron. Not for any reason other than it's a friggin veyron!
But why would you ever need a car to go over 200 miles per hour?
Angry John reply :
On 4/26/2017 at 11:14 AM, RMax said:But why would you ever need a car to go over 200 miles per hour?
Because race car and merica
Big-Bass reply :
Part of my enjoyment of my tackle (albeit budget or expensive) reminds of my time with my dad who passed (will be two years this May) and the time we spent eyeing up the new gear, flipping through BPS and Cabela's catalogs together, and spending time on the water (he had me using bait casters accurately by 7 or 8). I like my tackle and I like to have the newest and greatest because that was our thing...to enjoy the sport with stuff we liked. But, if at the time I can't afford it, I simply save and get it later. Do yourself a service and at least try one of the more expensive reels. If you don't like it or can't justify it, in most cases you can return a lawn cast reel and exchange for something else. If the price difference justifiable? Maybe...maybe not. You have to be the judge of that. I have some reels for my use and some for a collection. Some were purchased for me by my dad and putting a price on those simply can't be done...
Esoxfreak reply :
On 4/26/2017 at 11:14 AM, RMax said:But why would you ever need a car to go over 200 miles per hour?
For the same reason you "need" a reel that weighs what it does, the same reason you "need" a reel that looks that sharp, and is that exclusive. You don't.lol.I wonder how many of you know what word steez means ( I mean before looking it up on the internet)? Or have honestly ever fished one.i know some of you have but most of of us will never have the opportunity to fish one. i have seen only 1 that was being fished. If I had one I'd fish it all the time, just like if I had a super car, I'd drive it constantly.
The steez IS NOT something you "need," it's simply something you want. Is one of those dream reels, like a dream car.
Angry John reply :
On 4/26/2017 at 9:44 PM, Esoxfreak said:For the same reason you "need" a reel that weighs what it does, the same reason you "need" a reel that looks that sharp, and is that exclusive. You don't.lol.I wonder how many of you know what word steez means ( I mean before looking it up on the internet)? Or have honestly ever fished one.i know some of you have but most of of us will never have the opportunity to fish one. i have seen only 1 that was being fished. If I had one I'd fish it all the time, just like if I had a super car, I'd drive it constantly.
The steez IS NOT something you "need," it's simply something you want. Is one of those dream reels, like a dream car.
A dream real is very subjective. I dream of owning a Megabass LIN metor. That orange reel looks soooooooo nice. I don't have the funds to get one even used.
Raul reply :
Well I don't need a TDZ, the really kool part is when you can afford 4, actually I saved 400 bux when I purchased them since they were on clearance from 350 down to 250 
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I should own 5 but I sold my very first one to a good friend of mine.
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