Daiwa Tws 2025
skie reply :
This is my first post to bassresource! Anyone have a set date for the release of the daiwa TWS in November? is it worth a preorder or should I just wait? I live in New England so I won't be fishing for the winter anyways. Any info would be great.
Tywithay reply :
Might as well just wait until they're available. I have heard November would be the full release, with maybe a few sprinkling out here and there. If that's really the case, just wait until Black Friday and save some shekels.
dam0007 reply :
Am I missing something? Are you referring to the new Zillion with TWS?
THE_Vue's reply :
TW said pre orders starts next month on 28th.
5fishlimit reply :
On 7/25/2014 at 12:04 AM, dam0007 said:Am I missing something? Are you referring to the new Zillion with TWS?
Probably.
Raul reply :
Whut ?
On 7/24/2014 at 7:54 PM, skie said:This is my first post to bassresource! Anyone have a set date for the release of the daiwa TWS in November? .
What TWS ?
There´s a bunch of Daiwa BCs with TWS.
Mr Swim Jig reply :
The Zillion is the only new reel coming out with the TWS...
skie reply :
Yes I ment the zillion. my mistake for leaving that out. Thanks for the responses.
new2BC4bass reply :
If I haven't already welcomed you to the forum................................ 
daiwaguy reply :
I may be speaking for myself but I am not sure they should change something that works as great as the Zillion. If they change anything I believe they should work on cutting an ounce or 2 before they change the line guide system.
Tywithay reply :
Yeah. Can't understand why they'd take tech from their wildly popular mid-range reel and put it in their most popular lineup of all time.On 7/25/2014 at 4:21 AM, daiwaguy said:I may be speaking for myself but I am not sure they should change something that works as great as the Zillion. If they change anything I believe they should work on cutting an ounce or 2 before they change the line guide system.
5fishlimit reply :
On 7/25/2014 at 4:30 AM, Tywithay said:Yeah. Can't understand why they'd take tech from their wildly popular mid-range reel and put it in their most popular lineup of all time.
Progress?
new2BC4bass reply :
On 7/25/2014 at 4:21 AM, daiwaguy said:I may be speaking for myself but I am not sure they should change something that works as great as the Zillion. If they change anything I believe they should work on cutting an ounce or 2 before they change the line guide system.
X3 Like mine just fine the way they are. Don't mind the weight, but lighter is usually better....all else being equal. I say keep the Zillion as is and give the new model a different name.
iabass8 reply :
On 7/25/2014 at 6:27 AM, 5fishlimit said:Progress?
I believe he was being sarcastic.
5fishlimit reply :
On 7/25/2014 at 6:44 AM, iabass8 said:I believe he was being sarcastic.
As was I.
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
I actually prefer the tat to the last gen zillion. The zillion is smoother, but doesn't cast as well. Also, the zillion is finicky and can be difficult in the wind whereas the tatula can handle it.
aavery2 reply :
On 7/25/2014 at 1:15 AM, 't-Smalle said:The Zillion is the only new reel coming out with the TWS...
They are also releasing the Tatula HD.
Jeff H reply :
On 7/25/2014 at 10:16 AM, aprw1 said:I actually prefer the tat to the last gen zillion. The zillion is smoother, but doesn't cast as well. Also, the zillion is finicky and can be difficult in the wind whereas the tatula can handle it.
From what I understand, the addition of the TD-Z 100M spool will solve those issues with the last gen Zillion. I have the spool but have not tried it yet myself, so we'll see.
aavery2 reply :
On 7/25/2014 at 11:56 AM, Jeff H said:From what I understand, the addition of the TD-Z 100M spool will solve those issues with the last gen Zillion. I have the spool but have not tried it yet myself, so we'll see.
Jeff, the 100M spool is a good upgrade to the standard Zillion spool but in my opinion it is not as forgiving as the stock spool. The 100M weights less than the stock spool due to material and line capacity and requires less startup inertia which makes it nice for pitching and flipping, it also seems to be able to achieve a little more distance but again at the cost of being a little less forgiving. IMO the reason the stock spool is more forgiving is the difference between Magforce Z and Magforce V, very similar systems but the selling point for Z was that it was able to react to wind and other subtle changes during the cast more quickly than V and make the appropriate corrections to the braking. Don't get me wrong, I would replace all of my stock spools with the 100M but in my opinion it is a little less forgiving.
Hopefully some of the others that have made this upgrade can give their thoughts as well.
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
Mag V is the same exact thing as mag Z. The only difference is that mag v is what they call it when it's on a reel with a V shape (like the tdz 100 spool), and mag z is the name for the dynamic inductor on a flat bottomed spool (tatula spool, zillion spool, etc). We haven't seen a reel with a V shaped spool for a while so that why there hasn't been any mag V lately. I don't think they will ever go back to V spools cause the complaints about line lay on them.On 7/25/2014 at 12:18 PM, aavery2 said:Jeff, the 100M spool is a good upgrade to the standard Zillion spool but in my opinion it is not as forgiving as the stock spool. The 100M weights less than the stock spool due to material and line capacity and requires less startup inertia which makes it nice for pitching and flipping, it also seems to be able to achieve a little more distance but again at the cost of being a little less forgiving. IMO the reason the stock spool is more forgiving is the difference between Magforce Z and Magforce V, very similar systems but the selling point for Z was that it was able to react to wind and other subtle changes during the cast more quickly than V and make the appropriate corrections to the braking. Don't get me wrong, I would replace all of my stock spools with the 100M but in my opinion it is a little less forgiving.
Hopefully some of the others that have made this upgrade can give their thoughts as well.
The tdz 100m spool is harder to control most likely because the much faster start up speed due to being lighter in weight. Also, there are probably some differences in the inductors and inductor movement range. Every daiwa spool I have played with has a different inductor movement length. The zillion inductor moves out a small amount, where the tatula moves out a much longer length, and so on. I don't know what the exact effects are of the length the induct can move out, but it seems like controllability is a characteristic of most the spools with the inductors that move out more.
aavery2 reply :
This quote from an article explains it much better than I can, maybe the difference is the way the inductor extends into the magnets as you mentioned. I have also heard that there is a very slight difference in the taper of the inductors between the V and Z.
"The Magforce V system uses centrigual force developed by the spool to move the inductor into the magnets. Braking action does not occur on startup until sufficient centrigual force develops (with spool speed) to overcome spring tension and then the inductor begins to move further into the magnets. As spool speed continues to increase, the inductor is fully inserted into the magnets and maximum braking occurs, until spool speed is eventully reduced and the inductor begins to move back out of the magnets (applying less braking).
Magforce Z is very similiar to Magfoce V, except the point that braking starts to occur is at a higher spool speed, and maximum braking occurs at a higher spool speed as well. Braking is also reduced at a higher spool speed . So, you can think of Magforce Z as a higher speed Magforce V braking system -- only really applying most braking action at the highest spool speeds. The net effect is that overall efficiency of braking action is improved and the spool will spin-up faster and theoretically achieve higher average spool speeds for a longer period of time. In addition, Magfoce Z is theoretically quicker to respond to rapid changes in spool speed during the cast (like the slight increase in spool speed due to the lure being affected by a blast of wind).
In reality, most anglers don't notice much difference between Magforce V and Z except when casting lighter lures into/across the wind. [Most of the braking action between the two is the same with heavy lures, since the spool spins up so quickly and maximum braking is so rapidly applied in both systems.] However, with a light lure, Magforce Z is quicker to resond to small changes in spool speeds, and therefore can apply more incremental braking action when the spool speeds up due to the effect of wind on the line."
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
On 7/25/2014 at 8:24 PM, aavery2 said:This quote from an article explains it much better than I can, maybe the difference is the way the inductor extends into the magnets as you mentioned. I have also heard that there is a very slight difference in the taper of the inductors between the V and Z.
"The Magforce V system uses centrigual force developed by the spool to move the inductor into the magnets. Braking action does not occur on startup until sufficient centrigual force develops (with spool speed) to overcome spring tension and then the inductor begins to move further into the magnets. As spool speed continues to increase, the inductor is fully inserted into the magnets and maximum braking occurs, until spool speed is eventully reduced and the inductor begins to move back out of the magnets (applying less braking).
Magforce Z is very similiar to Magfoce V, except the point that braking starts to occur is at a higher spool speed, and maximum braking occurs at a higher spool speed as well. Braking is also reduced at a higher spool speed . So, you can think of Magforce Z as a higher speed Magforce V braking system -- only really applying most braking action at the highest spool speeds. The net effect is that overall efficiency of braking action is improved and the spool will spin-up faster and theoretically achieve higher average spool speeds for a longer period of time. In addition, Magfoce Z is theoretically quicker to respond to rapid changes in spool speed during the cast (like the slight increase in spool speed due to the lure being affected by a blast of wind).
In reality, most anglers don't notice much difference between Magforce V and Z except when casting lighter lures into/across the wind. [Most of the braking action between the two is the same with heavy lures, since the spool spins up so quickly and maximum braking is so rapidly applied in both systems.] However, with a light lure, Magforce Z is quicker to resond to small changes in spool speeds, and therefore can apply more incremental braking action when the spool speeds up due to the effect of wind on the line."
That's a good explanation. Differences in how systems work aren't always readily visible to the naked eye.
Alonerankin2 reply :
I always did much better with z than v.. Always hated the inconsistency of v.... Finally switched over to Shimano.... I still like Diawa though....
Tywithay reply :
They have much different braking profiles. Z is basically tuned for distance. It's closer to centrifugal style brakes, but more dynamic. The V has lower initial braking, and excels with lighter baits and/or pitching.
bootytrain reply :
Wasn't magforce v for the v shaped spools?
dam0007 reply :
Zillion is up for pre order on TD. $299.99
5:1, 6:1, 7:1 in righty
6:1, 7:1 in lefty..
Again as with the Tatula no cranking love for lefty #fail IMO
edit*
to justify my post before I get bombarded...
no 7:1 in Steez lefty and no 5:1 in Tatula lefty Its like each model they pick a different ratio to kick lefties to the curb with...
skie reply :
Thanks for all the responses. Is there any where to ask for help on how to use the forum?
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