Citica I Rant 2024
dam0007 reply :
Not too long ago everyone had the Curado for $129. Now the new Citica is listed on a few sites for $149. Sure enough the Curado is back to the MSRP. Not for nothing but I'd feel ripped off paying $149 for a Citica at this point. /rant
J Francho reply :
I remember when gas we $ .99 a gallon.
John G reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 12:32 AM, dam0007 said:Not too long ago everyone had the Curado for $129. Now the new Citica is listed on a few sites for $149. Sure enough the Curado is back to the MSRP. Not for nothing but I'd feel ripped off paying $149 for a Citica at this point. /rant
You bought to soon but you don't need me to tell you that. Just out of curiosity, why did you pay so much for the Citica when the Curado can be bought cheaper all day everyday?
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 1:10 AM, John G said:You bought to soon but you don't need me to tell you that. Just out of curiosity, why did you pay so much for the Citica when the Curado can be bought cheaper all day everyday?
I didn't buy anything just an observation of the how the pricing drop coincided with the Citica release and markup.
John G reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 1:11 AM, dam0007 said:I didn't buy anything just an observation of the how the pricing drop coincided with the Citica release and markup.
Oh ok. I misread your post. It will be interesting in the coming months to find out low the Citica drops in price.
tomustang reply :
It's shimano, most of their thinking doesn't make sense
J Francho reply :
So what's the question again?
John G reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 1:37 AM, tomustang said:It's shimano, most of their thinking doesn't make sense
The only aspect of their thinking that I haven't liked lately is them bringing JDM reels to the USDM and making the new Antares such a large reel. Other than that, what's wrong with their thinking.
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 1:30 AM, John G said:Oh ok. I misread your post. It will be interesting in the coming months to find out low the Citica drops in price.
Haha no prob. Was just telling Hooligan I'm in the market for (4) reels. All the same, workhorse purposes. Really want 100ish size but metanium is out my price range for 4 lol. So I'm in the market none the less just happened to realize the pricing debacle. Surprised the Citica got a mark up I would be all over them day one. I may end up going with the Scorpion XTs or Chronarch Ci4s if budget allows it.
ColdSVT reply :
I know the ch50 or scopion 1000 would be on my very very shortlist
John G reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 1:59 AM, dam0007 said:Haha no prob. Was just telling Hooligan I'm in the market for (4) reels. All the same, workhorse purposes. Really want 100ish size but metanium is out my price range for 4 lol. So I'm in the market none the less just happened to realize the pricing debacle. Surprised the Citica got a mark up I would be all over them day one. I may end up going with the Scorpion XTs or Chronarch Ci4s if budget allows it.
Japan Lure Shop has the XT1000 for under $150.00 right now. I just got a Curado 200HG and I am thrilled with it. I prefer it over the XT1000 for bottom contact baits because of the fast gear ratio and it palms great. It's not as small as my XT1000's but it still palms great for me.
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 2:22 AM, John G said:Japan Lure Shop has the XT1000 for under $150.00 right now. I just got a Curado 200HG and I am thrilled with it. I prefer it over the XT1000 for bottom contact baits because of the fast gear ratio and it palms great. It's not as small as my XT1000's but it still palms great for me.
Never heard of that site before. Thanks!!! The metaniums there are cheap as hell. Lol I gotta do more research on the different JDMs brenious aldebarens etc
John G reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 2:29 AM, dam0007 said:Never heard of that site before. Thanks!!! The metaniums there are cheap as hell. Lol I gotta do more research on the different JDMs brenious aldebarens etc
I think it's fair to say that Japan Lure Shop is one of everyone's favorite JDM reel sellers.
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 2:22 AM, John G said:Japan Lure Shop has the XT1000 for under $150.00 right now. I just got a Curado 200HG and I am thrilled with it. I prefer it over the XT1000 for bottom contact baits because of the fast gear ratio and it palms great. It's not as small as my XT1000's but it still palms great for me.
At $260 I may go Metaniums thanks again man! I was finding them around $380
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 2:32 AM, John G said:I think it's fair to say that Japan Lure Shop is one of everyone's favorite JDM reel sellers.
Lmao I see why!
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 2:22 AM, John G said:Japan Lure Shop has the XT1000 for under $150.00 right now. I just got a Curado 200HG and I am thrilled with it. I prefer it over the XT1000 for bottom contact baits because of the fast gear ratio and it palms great. It's not as small as my XT1000's but it still palms great for me.
The 14 scorpion and curado I are they the same thing minus paint job?
robster80 reply :
surely the price will drop soon. i bought my curado i for 179 as soon as they were released and that was on e bay. maybe a month later u could find em for 145-150 on there. hopefully the citica will drop to around 110-120
Cgrinder reply :
So. . Pitchforks and torches?
stkbassn reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 12:32 AM, dam0007 said:Not too long ago everyone had the Curado for $129. Now the new Citica is listed on a few sites for $149. Sure enough the Curado is back to the MSRP. Not for nothing but I'd feel ripped off paying $149 for a Citica at this point. /rant
Yeah, impossible to pay $149 for a Citica while the Curado can be had cheaper right now. It's a little crazy and a little frustrating because the Citica E was like a goldmine when it came to quality for price. The new Citica I looks awesome but as we've said, for $150? Not so sure. I'll buy one for closer to $100 whenever that chance comes along. I can wait until that time comes 
Unless that dreaded monkey dictates otherwise.
John G reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 2:46 AM, dam0007 said:The 14 scorpion and curado I are they the same thing minus paint job?
I think the only difference minus the pait job is the new Scorpion has 4 bearings in the handle and the Curado has 2. I am going to add 2 more bearings to my Curado handle eventually.
tomustang reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 1:42 AM, John G said:The only aspect of their thinking that I haven't liked lately is them bringing JDM reels to the USDM and making the new Antares such a large reel. Other than that, what's wrong with their thinking.
E series chronarch and curado are close to the same thing, which downgraded the chronarch.
Curado redesign to the G series in response to Lews getting more customers with speed spool models.
The $100 added prices for JDM reels to US retailers.
Their customer service can't decide either to warranty their reels for parts by sending you parts or having you ship it to them, and that goes for the same parts.
Shimbindo fiasco that still occurs.
Their denial of septon knobs getting sticky.
To name a few..
Their service/responses/pricing at times is just off, doesn't make them bad of a company. But I won't derail any further 
John G reply :
I can't say that I have had those problems or experiences so for the most part, I am a very happy customer.On 6/3/2015 at 3:48 AM, tomustang said:E series chronarch and curado are close to the same thing, which downgraded the chronarch.
Curado redesign to the G series in response to Lews getting more customers with speed spool models.
The $100 added prices for JDM reels to US retailers.
Their customer service can't decide either to warranty their reels for parts by sending you parts or having you ship it to them, and that goes for the same parts.
Shimbindo fiasco that still occurs.
Their denial of septon knobs getting sticky.
To name a few..
Their service/responses/pricing at times is just off, doesn't make them bad of a company. But I won't derail any further
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 3:48 AM, tomustang said:E series chronarch and curado are close to the same thing, which downgraded the chronarch.
Curado redesign to the G series in response to Lews getting more customers with speed spool models.
The $100 added prices for JDM reels to US retailers.
Their customer service can't decide either to warranty their reels for parts by sending you parts or having you ship it to them, and that goes for the same parts.
Shimbindo fiasco that still occurs.
Their denial of septon knobs getting sticky.
To name a few..
Their service/responses/pricing at times is just off, doesn't make them bad of a company. But I won't derail any further
I sent them my buddies bait runner 6500B to get repaired 3 times and they never fixed the issue which was the bail assembly they replaced everything else lol they ended up sending back a new model bait runner and a spare spool. So it paid off to complain about the miscommunications but still. Other than that I haven't had any issues with their service dept. always easy to get parts when needed and half the time they don't charge.
dam0007 reply :
ok good to know. I couldn't figure it out. What I may end up doing is 2 of those and 2 metaniums at these prices. I can't go wrong.On 6/3/2015 at 3:36 AM, John G said:I think the only difference minus the pait job is the new Scorpion has 4 bearings in the handle and the Curado has 2. I am going to add 2 more bearings to my Curado handle eventually.
tomustang reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 4:00 AM, dam0007 said:ok good to know. I couldn't figure it out. What I may end up doing is 2 of those and 2 metaniums at these prices. I can't go wrong.
PM sent
*Hootie reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 12:42 AM, J Francho said:I remember when gas we $ .99 a gallon.
Seems we could make some kind of topic from that. The lowest price I ever paid for gas was $ .23 a gallon.
Hootie
*Hootie reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 3:50 AM, John G said:I can't say that I have had those problems or experiences so for the most part, I am a very happy customer.
Happy customer, me too.
Hootie
TrippyJai reply :
I was surprised to see it at $150 retail too. The prices will drop eventually so it's not that big of a deal.
As for the "septon knobs getting sticky", I had issues with the grey ones that originally came with the Curado Es. I don't agree that they denied it because they did improve the quality on the black ones, which you can get as replacements/ones on the Chronarch E.
CRANKENSTIEN reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 12:32 AM, dam0007 said:Not too long ago everyone had the Curado for $129. Now the new Citica is listed on a few sites for $149. Sure enough the Curado is back to the MSRP. Not for nothing but I'd feel ripped off paying $149 for a Citica at this point. /rant
I Simply agree.
FishTank reply :
I love my shimano reels but this totally does not make sense. There company logic is not well thought out these days it would seem.
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 3:36 AM, John G said:I think the only difference minus the pait job is the new Scorpion has 4 bearings in the handle and the Curado has 2. I am going to add 2 more bearings to my Curado handle eventually.
I just pulled the trigger. Went with another 1001Xt and 2 Metaniums. First time ordering from this site. Thanks again for the awesome hook up you just save me like $400 lmao
MCS reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 8:19 AM, dam0007 said:I just pulled the trigger. Went with another 1001Xt and 2 Metaniums. First time ordering from this site. Thanks again for the awesome hook up you just save me like $400 lmao
I got on here to late to chime in. I have made two orders from them, you will get your stuff in a week. That is were I picked up my xt 1000 and pop x. They have good prices on lures too.....another place to check out is japan angler.
dam0007 reply :
awesome thanks bro!On 6/3/2015 at 8:22 AM, MCS said:I got on here to late to chime in. I have made two orders from them, you will get your stuff in a week. That is were I picked up my xt 1000 and pop x. They have good prices on lures too.....another place to check out is japan angler.
Basswhippa reply :
Why would anybody want to "rant: on the CI? I predict it will be very hard to beat as a best value reel. I am excited to have this option. I own 6 Citica E's and opted to do a bearing install to make it more similar to a Curado E. I won't have to do this with the CI. It looks outstanding and should last decades with regular maintenance.
PitchinJigz reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 9:06 AM, Basswhippa said:Why would anybody want to "rant: on the CI? I predict it will be very hard to beat as a best value reel. I am excited to have this option. I own 6 Citica E's and opted to do a bearing install to make it more similar to a Curado E. I won't have to do this with the CI. It looks outstanding and should last decades with regular maintenance.
People are ranting because the pricing doesn't make sense. Nobody is saying it won't be a good reel.
Grantman83 reply :
I thought the curado pricing was merely a temporary "sale" put through by shimano. I didn't expect it to stay at that price.
Citica will be $149.99 and Curado will go back to $179.99. Maybe an aluminum version of the chronarch at the $230 price point coming?
I don't see them discontinuing the curado I one year after its release. Something else is going on here
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 9:06 AM, Basswhippa said:Why would anybody want to "rant: on the CI? I predict it will be very hard to beat as a best value reel. I am excited to have this option. I own 6 Citica E's and opted to do a bearing install to make it more similar to a Curado E. I won't have to do this with the CI. It looks outstanding and should last decades with regular maintenance.
What he said below you! I was contemplating buying (4) of them. My gameplan ended up changing and got something different. My rant was/is Shimano never discounts in U.S. Retailers. The one time they do they mark down their best selling reel of all time $50 then launch a lower quality reel for more then immediately reset the MSRP on the better of the 2... That's just terrible business practice IMO. Personally I take it as a slap in the face as a loyal Shimano consumer that regularly shops in that price bracket.
TrippyJai reply :
I agree, Shimano doesn't make sense. They shouldn't put the Curado on sale if they were going to introduce the Citica I so soon or if you're going to have the sale, then delay the Citica arrival.
bigbill reply :
I remember when gas was $0.29.9 a gallon. Ten gallons of gas, McDonald's was $0.15 hamburgers and $0.20 cheeseburger and the drive in was $5.00 a car full. A saturdaynite date was cheap. The kissy, kissy, huggy, huggy was free.On 6/3/2015 at 12:42 AM, J Francho said:I remember when gas we $ .99 a gallon.
Check around for good prices. I save when I can and spend were I can't save it all comes out in the wash and keeps me fishing.
I still have my very first bait caster a $12 Shakespeare. It still works. I caught my first bass on a jig with it.
Basswhippa reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 9:27 AM, dam0007 said:What he said below you! I was contemplating buying (4) of them. My gameplan ended up changing and got something different. My rant was/is Shimano never discounts in U.S. Retailers. The one time they do they mark down their best selling reel of all time $50 then launch a lower quality reel for more then immediately reset the MSRP on the better of the 2... That's just terrible business practice IMO. Personally I take it as a slap in the face as a loyal Shimano consumer that regularly shops in that price bracket.
Some people let world hunger, climate change, terrorism and nuclear proliferation worry them. Others a possible $20 overprice of a newly released bass reel, I guess.
I'm glad to have this choice. I don't do the Revo/BPS/Pflueger/Lews clones.
*Hootie reply :
Another topic gone from informative to stupid.
Hootie
J Francho reply :
I'd rather pay full price! Let's put an end to this silly "sale" nonsense! Down with discounts! Let us march to the capital.
I kid!
If you don't like the price, don't buy it. Seems simple to me?
dam0007 reply :
On 6/3/2015 at 9:32 AM, TrippyJai said:I agree, Shimano doesn't make sense. They shouldn't put the Curado on sale if they were going to introduce the Citica I so soon or if you're going to have the sale, then delay the Citica arrival.
Exactly
Basswhippa reply :
NEW CITICA 200I
*Hootie reply :
Personally, I don't feel qualified to tell one of the "WEALTHIEST" companies on the planet how to make correct business decisions.
Hootie
J Francho reply :
We all tell them by what we purchase.
*Hootie reply :
On 6/6/2015 at 12:35 AM, J Francho said:We all tell them by what we purchase.
Excellent point John. Money talks.
Hootie
bass1980 reply :
Believe it or not....they do listen too so I wouldn't put this "rant" in the waste of time category. Example 13 fishings staff does come on forums and I'm sure they are hearing about the reel seat. I can't say that's the reason they are changing it, but I would like to think it has a role in it.
For Shimano their rep or former rep Bantam is on forums as well. So if there's enough complaints he will listen. Finding an example is probably that whole Curado E Curado G Chronarch E debacle. The average fishermen or women probably wouldn't even know what lies under the paint. I believe it's forum users that saw and knew of those "scheme" and soon enough word passed along. I am pretty sure Shimano got the message that many people knew of it and then it did trickle down to the poor sales of the curado G.
So I believe complaints like this is good as long as it's respective and not truly brand bashing. I feel like the OP's post was respective. His selection of the title may turned off some but the truth is he's just typing what we're thinking. Just my opinion of course.
jjconnaire reply :
It's funny how company's try to sell you on things by re-naming them. Let's be honest, if u painted the new critica I like a curado I and vices versa you couldn't tell the difference. And shimano will tell you that the curado has the S3D spool which is perfectly balanced and the citica does not. Let's evaluate this "better" spool. That's like balancing a wheel before you put the tire on and saying it will perform better because the wheel is balanced. The line is NOT evenly distributed on the spool, so therefore it doesn't matter lol. I have a curado 201I and love it but I only believe so much BS company's can sell
bootytrain reply :
On 6/6/2015 at 12:38 PM, jjconnaire said:It's funny how company's try to sell you on things by re-naming them. Let's be honest, if u painted the new critica I like a curado I and vices versa you couldn't tell the difference. And shimano will tell you that the curado has the S3D spool which is perfectly balanced and the citica does not. Let's evaluate this "better" spool. That's like balancing a wheel before you put the tire on and saying it will perform better because the wheel is balanced. The line is NOT evenly distributed on the spool, so therefore it doesn't matter lol. I have a curado 201I and love it but I only believe so much BS company's can sell
Seeing as the new Citica has the S3D spool as well your post makes no sense. The Curado and Citica have shared the same platform for a few generations now so this new Citica shouldnt be a surprise to anyone. If you don't like them don't buy them, simple as that.
jjconnaire reply :
Woops thought I read that the bearings and spool are different on the citica I. Sorry shimano police
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