Braid To Flouro Leader 2024
nwibass reply :
How long of a flouro leader should I tie on my braid, I have heard many different lengths, I was thinking an 8-10 ft leader.
ChrisAW reply :
Depends on the use. With heavier line weights like 65# and 20# leader, I'll only tie a leader on thats as long as my rod. Only so when casting, the knot is not reeled up onto the spool and won't possibly rip the level wind apart because of the larger knot. Even if its unlikely to happen, I'd rather not be the first to experience a freak accident.
With something like 30# braid and 10# flouro, I make it as long as I feel like making it. these knots are small enough that I have no worries about getting caught on anything. They pass through even the smallest microguides easily. I don't have to retie it as often with all the lure changes with a longer leader.
nwibass reply :
On 1/8/2012 at 10:22 AM, ChrisAW said:Depends on the use. With heavier line weights like 65# and 20# leader, I'll only tie a leader on thats as long as my rod. Only so when casting, the knot is not reeled up onto the spool and won't possibly rip the level wind apart because of the larger knot. Even if its unlikely to happen, I'd rather not be the first to experience a freak accident.
With something like 30# braid and 10# flouro, I make it as long as I feel like making it. these knots are small enough that I have no worries about getting caught on anything. They pass through even the smallest microguides easily. I don't have to retie it as often with all the lure changes with a longer leader.
I will be tying 30# braid to a 12# flouro leader I think it should pass through the guides with ease, if not I will just take the braid off and spool it all flouro. thanks
dodgeguy reply :
you dont need a leader.forget the leader.
slonezp reply :
I rarely exceed 4-5ft. Enough length to retie all day long if need be, not too long to interfere with the guides or reel.
dodgeguy, before you make a blanket statement like that, you should ask for more info. People use leaders for a variety of reasons. Some for visibility, some for easier breakability when the biat gets hung up and won't come out, some because braid has poor abrasion resistance, one nick and it's as good as lost. Flouro has high abrasion resistance, Some because flouro sinks.
deep reply :
On 1/8/2012 at 10:00 PM, slonezp said:I rarely exceed 4-5ft. Enough length to retie all day long if need be, not too long to interfere with the guides or reel.
dodgeguy, before you make a blanket statement like that, you should ask for more info. People use leaders for a variety of reasons. Some for visibility, some for easier breakability when the biat gets hung up and won't come out, some because braid has poor abrasion resistance, one nick and it's as good as lost. Flouro has high abrasion resistance, Some because flouro sinks.
Great post.
Mono or copoly leader works well for me. No need for fluoro where I fish. As long as the connecting knot doesn't get into the reel, I'm good.
weezy109 reply :
On 1/8/2012 at 10:00 PM, slonezp said:I rarely exceed 4-5ft. Enough length to retie all day long if need be, not too long to interfere with the guides or reel.
dodgeguy, before you make a blanket statement like that, you should ask for more info. People use leaders for a variety of reasons. Some for visibility, some for easier breakability when the biat gets hung up and won't come out, some because braid has poor abrasion resistance, one nick and it's as good as lost. Flouro has high abrasion resistance, Some because flouro sinks.
Why bother with the braid in the first place? All of those things you mentioned can be fixed by simply not using braid, so why bother? What are the advantages i guess is my question, not really trying to argue, just learning more
ChrisAW reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 6:53 AM, weezy109 said:Why bother with the braid in the first place? All of those things you mentioned can be fixed by simply not using braid, so why bother? What are the advantages i guess is my question, not really trying to argue, just learning more
Personally, this is pretty much why all my rigs are straight flouro (or whatever) other than my heavy cover stuff. If I would just rather not have that knot, and run one solid line.
But basicly, the biggest advantage of braid is that its forgiving. It has no memory, and is very castable. A lot of people use it just for those reasons alone. The strength of the line is only necessary when fishing heavy cover, and the fact that is has no stretch allows one to really horse a fish from cover. But adding leaders basicly allows them to have the advantages of flouro. Invisibility, abrasion resistance, and the ability to break off if needed.
weezy109 reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 9:35 AM, ChrisAW said:Personally, this is pretty much why all my rigs are straight flouro (or whatever) other than my heavy cover stuff. If I would just rather not have that knot, and run one solid line.
But basicly, the biggest advantage of braid is that its forgiving. It has no memory, and is very castable. A lot of people use it just for those reasons alone. The strength of the line is only necessary when fishing heavy cover, and the fact that is has no stretch allows one to really horse a fish from cover. But adding leaders basicly allows them to have the advantages of flouro. Invisibility, abrasion resistance, and the ability to break off if needed.
I personally don't find braid any easier to cast than fluoro. I get why you would use straight braid but adding the leader negates the strength and the low stretch. Contrary to popular belief fluoro is not low stretch.
ChrisAW reply :
then you've been using a really junky braid or a dang good fluorocarbon!On 1/9/2012 at 9:58 AM, weezy109 said:I personally don't find braid any easier to cast than fluoro. I get why you would use straight braid but adding the leader negates the strength and the low stretch. Contrary to popular belief fluoro is not low stretch.
Braid has zero memory, which means it won't spring off your reel and whatnot, and also isnt as effected by line twist.
deep reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 9:58 AM, weezy109 said:I personally don't find braid any easier to cast than fluoro. I get why you would use straight braid but adding the leader negates the strength and the low stretch. Contrary to popular belief fluoro is not low stretch.
Maybe sometimes one would actually want to negate the strength? It sure isn't fun trying to break off 50 lb braid when you get snagged, apart from the fact that you might damage your rod or reel.
About the stretch factor; a little stretch is actually beneficial (at least I find it beneficial), and the stretch in a 7 ft leader is obviously pretty low compared to that in 50 ft of line.
weezy109 reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 10:17 AM, deep said:Maybe sometimes one would actually want to negate the strength? It sure isn't fun trying to break off 50 lb braid when you get snagged, apart from the fact that you might damage your rod or reel.
About the stretch factor; a little stretch is actually beneficial (at least I find it beneficial), and the stretch in a 7 ft leader is obviously pretty low compared to that in 50 ft of line.
Well yeah you might want less strength but why bother with the braid in that case? In other words if you negate the strength then why use it in the first place? Basically what I am saying is braid is great for flipping but why would you use it for anything requiring a leader? Unless you just don't want to have to respool or something.
deep reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 10:22 AM, weezy109 said:Well yeah you might want less strength but why bother with the braid in that case? In other words if you negate the strength then why use it in the first place? Basically what I am saying is braid is great for flipping but why would you use it for anything requiring a leader? Unless you just don't want to have to respool or something.
See I don't flip, and hardly pitch. But braid is a must on my two jig rods. Just something that has worked for me.
I don't need the strength (30 lb on a spinning rig, 50 lb on a casting rig). For all I care, it could break at 8 lbs and 14 lbs respectively. What I need is the very low stretch, and the floating quality (line-watcher here). The castability of braid is a plus point too, but not a deal-breaker either way.
Once again, it's just something that works for me.
nwibass reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 6:53 AM, weezy109 said:Why bother with the braid in the first place? All of those things you mentioned can be fixed by simply not using braid, so why bother? What are the advantages i guess is my question, not really trying to argue, just learning more
much more sensitive and never gains memory, lasts forever compared to flour and mono lines
weezy109 reply :
Not if you fish rocks or trees it don't, it frays like crazy, so does fluoro for that matter though its tougher than braid (abrasion wise). I also think it would be much easier to line watch with a straighter link to the lure, otherwise you have a big loop that has to get taken up before you notice the line moving. I can get down with straight braid for whatever you want but i'm sayin why use the leader? People are giving the advantages of fluoro but then why not just use fluoro, the leader negates the braids strength and low stretch imo so it is redundant.On 1/9/2012 at 10:32 AM, nwibass said:much more sensitive and never gains memory, lasts forever compared to flour and mono lines
deep reply :
^^ Let's just agree to disagree, shall we?
nwibass reply :
BECUASE STRAIGHT FLOURO NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH!!!!! BRAID WILL LAST AN ENTIRE SEASON!!! ITS A FRACTION OF THE PRICE.... OR COURSE I WOULD RATHER USE STRAIGHT FLOURO BUT PAYING THE PRICES WITHOUT A SPONSOR AT THE MOMENT IS RIDICULOUS COST.
deep reply :
And fluoro sinks. So of course I can't see it jump. (I'm outta here)
weezy109 reply :
Man why would you get mad for asking for an explanation? Ridiculous. The expense reply is a good one but i was more thinking about any performance related stuff
weezy109 reply :
basically this is what i don't get........I wanna know why the leader not why do you use braid, i know why you would use braid. Your mixing up the question
deep reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 10:47 AM, weezy109 said:Man why would you get mad for asking for an explanation? Ridiculous. The expense reply is a good one but i was more thinking about any performance related stuff
Against my better judgement, I'm back posting in this thread. Whatever.
Which part of my arguments do you not follow?
I want a low stretch line => braid
I also want the line to float so that I can watch it => braid
I also would like to have a low memory line => braid
I want the abrasion resistance => leader
I want to be able to break off easily when I get snagged => leader
weezy109 reply :
Well i feel like like the leader takes away the reasons you are using the braid, why not just use mono that floats and breaks and is super abrasion resistant and is easy to cast. It aint low stretch but neither is your leader. See what I'm sayin, it negates the reason for using braid in the first place. the floating part is interesting though, I would think the fluoro would drag the braid down with it. Of course the money angle is a great reason to do it. but why not just use even cheaper monofilament?
deep reply :
**It aint low stretch but neither is your leader**
The leader itself isn't low-stretch. But leader + braid mainline is.
**I would think the fluoro would drag the braid down with it**
Not what I found.
slonezp reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 11:09 AM, weezy109 said:Well i feel like like the leader takes away the reasons you are using the braid, why not just use mono that floats and breaks and is super abrasion resistant and is easy to cast. It aint low stretch but neither is your leader. See what I'm sayin, it negates the reason for using braid in the first place. the floating part is interesting though, I would think the fluoro would drag the braid down with it. Of course the money angle is a great reason to do it. but why not just use even cheaper monofilament?
Then go ahead and use mono. The OP asked about a leader not about how to fish mono.
A flouro leader does not negate sensitivity. IMO The combined use of the 2 types of lines (braid/flouro) under certain conditions or applications, outweighs the benefits that each one has on it's own. I use straight braid, straight flouro, straight mono, and braid/flouro, and now trying Nanofil, whatever the hell that is. I prefer different apps for different presentations. To each his own.
weezy109 reply :
You completely missed the conversation we were having about the reason to use a leader apparently. I was just asking. I suppose that if it is true that the fluoro does not completely negate the low stretch properties of the braid, then it is a good system for fishing stuff that would mangle braid tied direct. Just saying you do it isn't an answer to whyOn 1/9/2012 at 11:49 AM, slonezp said:Then go ahead and use mono. The OP asked about a leader not about how to fish mono.
A flouro leader does not negate sensitivity. IMO The combined use of the 2 types of lines (braid/flouro) under certain conditions or applications, outweighs the benefits that each one has on it's own. I use straight braid, straight flouro, straight mono, and braid/flouro, and now trying Nanofil, whatever the hell that is. I prefer different apps for different presentations. To each his own.
slonezp reply :
weezy, Under certain conditions braid with a leader may be the best option. Jig fishing heavy timber for instance. Good chance to get hung up. Much easier to break off a 20 lb leader(tied right it will break off at the hook and not the leader conection) than 55lb braid. How about throwing a fluke or senko on spinning gear? Flouro tends to jump off the spool and twist. The braid will help prevent that, and the leader will asist in line sinking. The list goes on if you look at my original post. Again it's about personal preferance.
weezy109 reply :
On 1/9/2012 at 12:14 PM, slonezp said:weezy, Under certain conditions braid with a leader may be the best option. Jig fishing heavy timber for instance. Good chance to get hung up. Much easier to break off a 20 lb leader(tied right it will break off at the hook and not the leader conection) than 55lb braid. How about throwing a fluke or senko on spinning gear? Flouro tends to jump off the spool and twist. The braid will help prevent that, and the leader will asist in line sinking. The list goes on if you look at my original post. Again it's about personal preferance.
OK those are good reasons
SirSnookalot reply :
I agree with Deep. I don't find a stretch problem in using a leader, it isn't that long. I do it different than most here, I do not use a long leader and I never tie my leaders on, except for one species. I use a swivel and my leaders are around 15" long, works perfect for me, if I need new leader line takes only a second to tie it on.
dodgeguy reply :
On 1/8/2012 at 10:00 PM, slonezp said:I rarely exceed 4-5ft. Enough length to retie all day long if need be, not too long to interfere with the guides or reel.
dodgeguy, before you make a blanket statement like that, you should ask for more info. People use leaders for a variety of reasons. Some for visibility, some for easier breakability when the biat gets hung up and won't come out, some because braid has poor abrasion resistance, one nick and it's as good as lost. Flouro has high abrasion resistance, Some because flouro sinks.
i don' tbelieve visibility matters.abrasion resistance with sufix 832 is greatly increased over other braids and more than i need.as far as getting unstuck a wood dowel wrap the line around will unstick you.if that doesn't work just cut it.
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