I remember this thread came up a LONG time ago, shortly after I joined BR. Let's see if everybody still thinks the same way.
All ponds/lakes have baitfish, not all have craws.
Kind of hard to say they like one more than the other. There are times when the bass will key in on baitfish, other times they'll be keyed on craws.
I wouldn't be surprised if this poll is split down the middle.
I think bass eat more bait fish than craws over the course of the year as a whole.
i think bass find a craw to be an easier meal while a baitfish is much more tasty and filling!
QuoteI wouldn't be surprised if this poll is split down the middle.
When this came up several years ago, one of the two choices dominated.
I couldn't say which they prefer,but I recall reading somewhere about alot of the biggest bass caught were caught on a craw.
I answered shad/baitfish. They are more nutritious than crabs, and are easier to catch. If you've ever seen video of bass eating crabs, especially smallmouth, you'd see what I mean. That said, bass seem to really like to eat crabs. Put a crab in a lake where there aren't crabs, I bet the bass go nuts for them.
I think bass like the taste of crawdads better...
I voted shad as well but they hammer craws as well.
Out on the lake tonight there was a ton of baitfish being chased to the surface. Made for some good fishing. My son and I caught 17 LMB / 2 northerns in 3 hours.
A bass will eat a craw over a shad if given a choice.
I Know I love craws lol especialy dipped in some warm hot melted butter with a side order of corn on the cob and red potatoes
This thread has 90 views with only 17 votes. :-?
So far, it's leaning one direction again...but it's not the same as last time. Go figure.
I don't think they prefer one over the other for taste/nutrition etc... The prefer which ever one is abundant and easiest to catch and eat in the bass's location at that time.
I would guess that a bass would find a baitfish easier to digest. A crawfish would be generally easier to catch, being slower moving. I also consider bass to be opportunistic feeders that eat whatever happens to be the easiest meal in front of them at the time.
The most important aspect as far as I'm concerned is the season and water temp...Up here in the Finger Lakes the fish generally feed up in the water column until the water gets into the 50's then they start feeding down on the bottom...in the summer many of the smallmouth here spend all their time suspended out in the baitfish all summer, even in water over 100' deep(but usually within 30' of the surface. I bet many of these fish go months without even seeing a crab but In the late fall and winter you can bet that these same bass will be down on the bottom digging crabs.
Chalk up one more vote for shad.
I've seen a lot of crawdads coughed up in the bottom of the livewell to know they aren't a good choice, but I've never seen a school of smallies herd crawdads like they do alwives in the spring, or gizzard shad in the fall.
Add that to the fact that the vast majority of artificial baits imitate shad/baitfish which speaks volumes as well.
QuoteI don't think they prefer one over the other for taste/nutrition etc... The prefer which ever one is abundant and easiest to catch and eat in the bass's location at that time.
Agreed.
A meal is a meal and a bass won't pass up either choice in hopes of finding something better.
No frog option? ;D
I think the word is "prefer." I believe Bass prefer crawdads over anything else but not all bass have access to crawdads. Therefore, I say shad/baitfish are eaten more than crawdads.
I think
QuoteQuoteI don't think they prefer one over the other for taste/nutrition etc... The prefer which ever one is abundant and easiest to catch and eat in the bass's location at that time.Agreed.
A meal is a meal and a bass won't pass up either choice in hopes of finding something better.
Ever tried tossing out a pork chop? ;D
QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't think they prefer one over the other for taste/nutrition etc... The prefer which ever one is abundant and easiest to catch and eat in the bass's location at that time.Agreed.
A meal is a meal and a bass won't pass up either choice in hopes of finding something better.
Ever tried tossing out a pork chop? ;D
Yeah, it's my go to lure.
A study was performed several years ago where one hundred crawfish and one hundred shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth). To much surprise, the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad.
I had the opportunity to hand feed a 5 lbs+ wild largemouth live crayfish. So let me tell you they love crawdads. He also wouldnt bite anything I threw at him the next day. > Of course I didnt try any plastic craws that would have been unfair.
Whichever presents itself at the moment and this includes other types of opportunities as well. The most visible to us of course is the shad schools.
QuoteQuoteI wouldn't be surprised if this poll is split down the middle.When this came up several years ago, one of the two choices dominated.
Really? I'm very surprised.
This topic was a good idea.
QuoteA study was performed several years ago where one hundred crawfish and one hundred shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth). To much surprise, the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad.
I remember a similar study done by the Mo. conservation dept. fisheries division. The results were similar. Apparently the craws fulfill more of the dietary demands of a bass thus they get more nutritional bang for the buck when the eat them.
I have caught more bass with a craw bait than with any other bait so my vote goes to the craw.
I may be wrong but it seems like every fishing show I ever watch when craws are mentioned by the pros it always seems they say that it is the number one food choice of bass.
I voted shad. Who knows though.
QuoteI don't think they prefer one over the other for taste/nutrition etc... The prefer which ever one is abundant and easiest to catch and eat in the bass's location at that time.
EXACTLY...what ever is most abundant, is generally easier to catch. Every location is different, and right now, shad are most likely easier to catch because they are schooling. The rest of the year, crawfish. So, I voted craws as the most common source of bass food year round.
QuoteA study was performed several years ago where one hundred crawfish and one hundred shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth). To much surprise, the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad.
Do you have a link to that study, I would like to take a look at it. I don't doubt you one bit, I agree that craws are the preferred bait, but all supporting information is nice to have and that would be a great technical paper to read if available.
QuoteQuoteA study was performed several years ago where one hundred crawfish and one hundred shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth). To much surprise, the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad.
I remember a similar study done by the Mo. conservation dept. fisheries division. The results were similar. Apparently the craws fulfill more of the dietary demands of a bass thus they get more nutritional bang for the buck when the eat them.
I swear I've read in In-Fisherman that herring type fish offer more nutrition than crayfish. Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember something about oily, soft ray fish having the highest nutritional value. Hence the big trout fed CA bass.
That bass prefer crayfish seems to be a consensus, and I actually voted wrong. I really need to read better, LOL.
I just happened to come across this: http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/bassmaster/youth/news/story?page=b_youth_BassEat_JrBMM_0106
Dont no how credible this information is tho.
QuoteQuoteA study was performed several years ago where one hundred crawfish and one hundred shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth). To much surprise, the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad.
Do you have a link to that study, I would like to take a look at it. I don't doubt you one bit, I agree that craws are the preferred bait, but all supporting information is nice to have and that would be a great technical paper to read if available.
I don't have a link to the study however I remember reading it here on this site in one of the articles. I have been reading here for quite some time before I decided to join.
Here it is: http://www.bassresource.com/fish_biology/understanding_bass_fishing.html
I have found this site to be the most informative one and that is why I joined.
I choose shad/baitfish. My experience has been that most of my fish have come on those type lures and I have heard numerous times that the blue back herring(bait fish in my waters) are like filet mignon to bass.
QuoteQuoteA study was performed several years ago where one hundred crawfish and one hundred shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth). To much surprise, the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad.
I remember a similar study done by the Mo. conservation dept. fisheries division. The results were similar. Apparently the craws fulfill more of the dietary demands of a bass thus they get more nutritional bang for the buck when the eat them.
I have heard and read the same thing. However, and I believe this came from the same source, they tend to eat more shad and baitfish simply because of availability. So I chose crawfish as a preference but if the question were, "Which meal does a bass eat the most?," I would have chosen shad/baitfish.
QuoteQuoteQuoteA study was performed several years ago where one hundred crawfish and one hundred shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth). To much surprise, the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad.
I remember a similar study done by the Mo. conservation dept. fisheries division. The results were similar. Apparently the craws fulfill more of the dietary demands of a bass thus they get more nutritional bang for the buck when the eat them.
I have heard and read the same thing. However, and I believe this came from the same source, they tend to eat more shad and baitfish simply because of availability. So I chose crawfish as a preference but if the question were, "Which meal does a bass eat the most?," I would have chosen shad/baitfish.
I voted baitfish. The waters I fish don't have shad, but the bass are often keyed in on perch/bluegill/ trout it seems. Where I fish there are a ton of crawfish, and I often do well on craw baits, but usually baitfish imitators do best. In the early spring and late fall I usually always catch them on craw baits, and they often spit up craws, so it seems to me like it varies by season. Right now, from what I can tell they're eating a lot of perch and bluegill. Also, my best lures are ones that run higher in the water column and imitate these.
To me, the question is a bit oversimplified. I tend to view it from what it means to the angler. Bass may, theoretically have a preference of one food type over the other but to me, anyway, it's the location and temperment of the bass that makes me determine what kind of bait I'll be using. For example, when bass are holding really tight to submerged trees, I'm more likely to drop in a crawdad type bait (creature bait or jig) into their lap-even if the bass may "prefer" shad. But at other times, when the bass may be more difficult to locate and/or they are only reaction feeding, they may prefer a crawdad but I can find and catch them easier with a fast moving shad bait. It just depends.
Shad/Baitfish strictly because of the availability factor. I'm sure they'd eat a craw over a fish because of the ease of capture, but they are often not that prevalent...
The number one food choice of a bass is a crawfish
http://www.bassresource.com/fish_biology/understanding_bass_fishing.html
I voted for crawfish due to the baits and presentations I have the most success with. However, I believe baitfish make up a larger % of thier overall diet.
I voted for crawfish as well. I've been told that crawfish have a lot of nutritional value and bass love them. I believe it because a craw is much easier to catch than a shad or baitfish.
I voted crawfish.
From a biological standpoint it seems that a bass would "prefer" whatever food source offered maximum energy intake per energy expended. It seems like it would take a lot less energy to suck up a crawfish then it would to chase around a shad. So I think, given equal opportunity, the bass would "prefer" to eat crawfish.
Ok, I've done the research. Over 1 million recipes on line for crawfish, zero for threadfin shad. The answer is obvious!
Seriously though, I have to agree with farmpond 1, location and temperament seem to be the deciding factors on the waters I fish.
I think bass prefer baitfish, by far.
A bass can follow a school of shad or baitfish and feed at will. I do not ever recall seeing a school of craws.
If a bass sees a craw crawling around, I'm sure it will make an attempt to ****** it up but I think they will key on the baitfish far more often.
QuoteA study was performed several years ago where one hundred crawfish and one hundred shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth). To much surprise, the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad.
Keep in mind, a study in a tank would put the odds in the craws favor. Nowhere to hide and 100 of them to choose from. They do scoot around but can be cornered pretty easily and then are doomed. The shad are fairly quick so maybe that test came down to which was easier pickins for the bass. In the real world, craws are pretty sneaky and tend to hide during the day especially down their holes. Baitfish hide too but are more accessible to the bass IMO.
Trout and Perch up here
Both are just protein bars, one is soft and the other is crunchy.
Budweiser
I read somewhere that as much as 80% of a smallmouth's diet is crawdads.
QuoteBudweiser
I thought that was only southern bass, I heard Yankee bass prefer a nice Pinot Grigio.
I think it largely depends on the time of year, shad in fall, craws in summer, and everything in spring.
I think the crawdad is a higher protein meal for a bass and I personally think that if a bass had a choice they would eat a crawdad over a baitfish. But from my experience certain times of year they will key in more on bait fish. Also to add I read one response where someone said that there lake or pond didn't have crayfish and I'm almost 100% sure that crayfish are in all lakes and ponds across the u.s. Just cause you do not see the. Doesn't mean they are not there.
QuoteI think the crawdad is a higher protein meal for a bass and I personally think that if a bass had a choice they would eat a crawdad over a baitfish. But from my experience certain times of year they will key in more on bait fish. Also to add I read one response where someone said that there lake or pond didn't have crayfish and I'm almost 100% sure that crayfish are in all lakes and ponds across the u.s. Just cause you do not see the. Doesn't mean they are not there.
What about man-made reservoirs? they don't have to put Crawfish in them. Just saying, not all places have craws.
QuoteQuoteI think the crawdad is a higher protein meal for a bass and I personally think that if a bass had a choice they would eat a crawdad over a baitfish. But from my experience certain times of year they will key in more on bait fish. Also to add I read one response where someone said that there lake or pond didn't have crayfish and I'm almost 100% sure that crayfish are in all lakes and ponds across the u.s. Just cause you do not see the. Doesn't mean they are not there.What about man-made reservoirs? they don't have to put Crawfish in them. Just saying, not all places have craws.
Most of our lakes are man made, and as far as I know, they ALL have craws in them..
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think the crawdad is a higher protein meal for a bass and I personally think that if a bass had a choice they would eat a crawdad over a baitfish. But from my experience certain times of year they will key in more on bait fish. Also to add I read one response where someone said that there lake or pond didn't have crayfish and I'm almost 100% sure that crayfish are in all lakes and ponds across the u.s. Just cause you do not see the. Doesn't mean they are not there.What about man-made reservoirs? they don't have to put Crawfish in them. Just saying, not all places have craws.
Most of our lakes are man made, and as far as I know, they ALL have craws in them..
Yeah, but a small man-made pond wont have craws in it unless someone puts them there
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think the crawdad is a higher protein meal for a bass and I personally think that if a bass had a choice they would eat a crawdad over a baitfish. But from my experience certain times of year they will key in more on bait fish. Also to add I read one response where someone said that there lake or pond didn't have crayfish and I'm almost 100% sure that crayfish are in all lakes and ponds across the u.s. Just cause you do not see the. Doesn't mean they are not there.What about man-made reservoirs? they don't have to put Crawfish in them. Just saying, not all places have craws.
Most of our lakes are man made, and as far as I know, they ALL have craws in them..
Yeah, but a small man-made pond wont have craws in it unless someone puts them there
Sure they will. I got em in my front yard. they make the most annoying dirt mounds.
I stand corrected.
Even if I were a bass, I doubt that I could answer that question without first living in the lake.
If the lake were teeming with golden shiners, I seriously doubt that I'd be looking for crayfish,
even if I actually knew what a crayfish was. And vice versa of course.
Long story short, game fish are opportunistic predators; else their name is mud.
Roger
QuoteI stand corrected.
Don't give up too easy.
Craws are definitely not in all ponds/lakes.
They are in a lot, but not all.
Doing my homework here I picked craws...because during molting craw shell formation requires large levels of the aromatic amino acid phenylalanine, equivalent to Aspartame, an artificial sweetener.
I think it's almost impossible to tell what they prefer since Bass need a mixed diet. Much like us. So the prefer food could change on a daily basic from shad/baitfish/bluegills/craws and even bugs which are high in protein list. This is all my opinion and some things I've read of course.
I think we anglers apply our sense of preference, tastes, visual appeal, etc. to try and understand it from a fish's "point of view", which, IMO, can lead to confusion.
A fish's brain probably is wired for basic survival and nothing more. How much does a jig look like an actual crawfish ? What in nature resembles a Senko ? a tube ? a spoon ?
Anything we throw is an attempt to trigger the mechanism within the fish. I don't find it hard to believe that a bass that has never seen a craw would ****** it in a second. It's responding to the 'gotta eat' signal. Nothing more. I've seen shows where island inhabitants of the Pacific catch fish on strips of white cloth (to use as bait for larger fish) They do this because white triggers that mechanism, likely because white is the belly color of a large percentage of underwater food. Fish are simple, and the natives are simple in their approach.
I think a bass prefers whatever is going to fill his belly.
I went with Craws - looking forward to the final results.
A-Jay
From what I have heard, craws have more protein, get bigger, and are certainly easier to catch.. Less exerted energy and more filling meal.. Craws!
QuoteI think we anglers apply our sense of preference, tastes, visual appeal, etc. to try and understand it from a fish's "point of view", which, IMO, can lead to confusion.A fish's brain probably is wired for basic survival and nothing more. How much does a jig look like an actual crawfish ? What in nature resembles a Senko ? a tube ? a spoon ?
Anything we throw is an attempt to trigger the mechanism within the fish. I don't find it hard to believe that a bass that has never seen a craw would ****** it in a second. It's responding to the 'gotta eat' signal. Nothing more. I've seen shows where island inhabitants of the Pacific catch fish on strips of white cloth (to use as bait for larger fish) They do this because white triggers that mechanism, likely because white is the belly color of a large percentage of underwater food. Fish are simple, and the natives are simple in their approach.
I think a bass prefers whatever is going to fill his belly.
Exactly.
I think some people make the mistake of equating a bass "preference" with a conscious choice. I doubt a bass "prefers" certain foods over others based on attributes that humans find appealing (taste, visual appeal, etc..).
From a biological standpoint, I think "preference" to a bass is simply a matter of maximum caloric intake with minimal energy expended. It would explain why an injured bait often evokes a triggered response on a fish that isn't actively feeding (less energy expended chasing an injured bait) or why a 9" bass attacks a 10" plastic worm (bigger bait= more energy intake).
Bass are hard wired to eat that which will offer the most intake with least energy expended. I would think that sucking up a crawfish expends less energy than chasing down a shad so, given equal opportunity, I'm sure they would "prefer" crawfish. Of course if your lake doesn't have crawfish or has an abdundance of shad, that alters the "opportunity" side of the equation and the fish may key on the shad.
QuoteI think we anglers apply our sense of preference, tastes, visual appeal, etc. to try and understand it from a fish's "point of view", which, IMO, can lead to confusion.A fish's brain probably is wired for basic survival and nothing more. How much does a jig look like an actual crawfish ? What in nature resembles a Senko ? a tube ? a spoon ?
Anything we throw is an attempt to trigger the mechanism within the fish. I don't find it hard to believe that a bass that has never seen a craw would ****** it in a second. It's responding to the 'gotta eat' signal. Nothing more. I've seen shows where island inhabitants of the Pacific catch fish on strips of white cloth (to use as bait for larger fish) They do this because white triggers that mechanism, likely because white is the belly color of a large percentage of underwater food. Fish are simple, and the natives are simple in their approach.
I think a bass prefers whatever is going to fill his belly.
Let me add this.
A jig or tube can represent a crawfish, a bluegill, a baitfish... a Senko, a worm, which do occur naturally when land is flooded.
I'm not sure if a fish knows the nutritional value of anything it eats. Maybe they know they get more energy from eating one meal rather than another. Who knows?
I believe water temp., instinct, metabolism, barametric pressure, moon phases, territorial behaviour etc. have more impact on what a fish eats than just baitfish or craw. How do you explain fish gourging? How many times have you caught a bass that is spitting up craws or baitfish or both in your livewells?
I read a study where bass favored crawfish 24 to 1 to bluegill/shad.
I went with shad.
QuoteFrom what I have heard, craws have more protein, get bigger, and are certainly easier to catch.. Less exerted energy and more filling meal.. Craws!
X2
Exactly how I would have worded it.
QuoteI read a study where bass favored crawfish 24 to 1 to bluegill/shad.
i would love to see a link
^ me also ^
^
24 to 1 sounded way too extreme to me so I did a little research to see if there was at least any info to back his statement and this is all I could find.
http://www.thinklikeabass.com/july_bass_fishing_articles.html
I'll go ahead & copy & past the important section.
The first element we will talk about is FOOD. Contrary to popular belief, shad is NOT! the primary 1st choice of a bass. Although shad is a very common food for the bass as well as other natural baits, the number one food choice of a bass is a crawfish (also known as crayfish, crawdads, etc.). A study was performed several years ago where 100 Crawfish and 100 shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth), and to much surprise the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad. There are several reasons for this, but the most important one is that a crawfish is an easy prey for a bass to catch, and they are fairly easy for a bass to find. And once again contrary to popular belief, studies show that there are actually more crawfish found in vegetation areas than around rocky areas (or as some may know as Rip-Rap.)
Definitely not 24 to 1 but the bass, in a controlled environment, sure preferred the crawfish.
Poll is done.
Definitely not the same results as last time. Thanks to all who voted.
That poll was extremely close.
QuoteThat poll was extremely close.
Yep. Craws dominated last time we did this.
Quote^24 to 1 sounded way too extreme to me so I did a little research to see if there was at least any info to back his statement and this is all I could find.
http://www.thinklikeabass.com/july_bass_fishing_articles.html
I'll go ahead & copy & past the important section.
The first element we will talk about is FOOD. Contrary to popular belief, shad is NOT! the primary 1st choice of a bass. Although shad is a very common food for the bass as well as other natural baits, the number one food choice of a bass is a crawfish (also known as crayfish, crawdads, etc.). A study was performed several years ago where 100 Crawfish and 100 shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth), and to much surprise the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad. There are several reasons for this, but the most important one is that a crawfish is an easy prey for a bass to catch, and they are fairly easy for a bass to find. And once again contrary to popular belief, studies show that there are actually more crawfish found in vegetation areas than around rocky areas (or as some may know as Rip-Rap.)
Definitely not 24 to 1 but the bass, in a controlled environment, sure preferred the crawfish.
Again, study was done in a tank where the craws probably could not dig burrows. I agree they inhabit weed grown areas as seen in many diving adventures. As soon as I would get near one, he would scoot down his hole. I am not a bass so I can't say which they prefer, I just think shad and baitfish are more available and in more waters. Also, they can run, but they can't hide. Lots of good info in this thread. "Food" for thought.
Snippets from "Think Like A Bass" website:
QuoteA study was performed several years ago where 100 Crawfish and 100 shad were in a tank of water with all species of bass (Smallmouth, Spotted, and Largemouth), and to much surprise the crawfish were eaten 8 to 2 over the shad.
I wouldn't invest too much in that study.
Conclusions cannot be drawn based on a single study, unless that study were long-term,
professionally supervised and double blind, which I seriously doubt.
There have been uncountable studies of this nature, but none have ever suggested
that bass prefer crayfish to baitfish, about 5 to 1. The first hurdle is differentiating between
"Preference and Availability, which can only be achieved by enforcing equal availability.
(BTW: It doesn't take a carcinologist to know that the animal in question is a crayfish,
and that crawfish is a nickname. Of course that's no big deal, but words are the only tools
we have for communication, and poor semantics only downgrades credibility.)
QuoteAnd once again contrary to popular belief, studies show that there are actually more crawfish found in vegetation areas than around rocky areas (or as some may know as Rip-Rap.)
:
Crayfish are omnivores that eat both animals and vegetables.
It has always been common knowledge that crayfish can thrive anywhere they find cover;
they hide in vegetation, burrow in loam & clay, and slide into crevices in rocky bottoms.
(BTW: Riprap is not a synonym for rocky bottom, but is chunk-rock deposited by man
to combat erosion).
"Think like a bass??"
In my opinion, the moment we stop thinking, we will be thinking like a bass.
Kevin VanDam stated it well: <quote> "I don't believe that bass target critters because they taste good,
they eat them because they moved.
Roger
I think they go for which ever is available!
So Scott, is there a "correct" answer anywhere out there?
QuoteSo Scott, is there a "correct" answer anywhere out there?
Not that I know of Wayne. I would like to know the definitive answer but I see this topic being just like the Ford vs. Chevy debate.
Its a tough call. If your talking shad, you can usually narrow it down to two or three predominant herring species. With crabs, there are over 300 described species. One thing is for sure, if you're on a "crab bite" on a "crab lake" you might want to know a little about the coloration, habitat, and any migratory behavior. Same would go for a shad pattern.
J, you lost me with all this 'crab' talk.
Who's got crabs?
Ford vs. Chevy is easy.
Cars- Chevy
Trucks- Ford
QuoteWho's got crabs?
Apparently JFrancho....about 300 of 'em I think he said.
QuoteWho's got crabs?Ford vs. Chevy is easy.
Cars- Chevy
Trucks-CHEVY
There...fixed it for ya... ;D
^ my mistake.