My Theory For Beginning Fisherman 2024

LuckyGia reply :

I have this theory that I just can't drive home to many people that I have fished with.

I lost count of how many times I get the look of " really, another one " .

I out fish everybody I fish with. I try not to offer too much advice because I don't want to come across as a know it all.

I can tell you the difference.

Every cast I make has a purpose. It always has , even as a kid.

I visualize each cast and thought is put into where to throw that cast.

When I was younger, I used to call it " thinking like a fish ".

That is all I do. I break down the area in my head and make a conscious decision where a fish might be.

That's where I cast.

I can't tell you how many people just tie on a jointed rapala and throw it anywhere and everywhere.

Now as a seasoned gentleman I cary a arsenal to help find them.

I don't know if anyone will even care or not. But maybe someone who fits this description can just try and " think like a fish "

FinCulture reply :

I like this whole thought process and agree with it. I imagine most intermediate-level-and-up bass fishermen kind of automatically apply this, but this is probably something that would make a difference with beginners who don't know where to find bass as well as some of us with more experience.

RighteousFishing WI reply :

I recently have been taking my buddy fishing and he don't know squat. I out fish him every time and that's the one thing I keep telling him, is every cast is a calculated decision. We can be in the middle of a huge flat, were the fish are scattered all across it and I still don't cast randomly. You're theory is right on point.

Bassguytom reply :

I started doing this and hooking up more. My wife got a little upset with all the frogs and insects that the Lilly pads drew that I was sleeping under.

Scott F reply :

There are some people who almost extinctively have a feel for where to cast. I'm sure that it comes from having spent a lot of time paying attention to where they've caught fish in the past and they now do it almost without having to think about it. I know several guys like that who fish rivers and some who can do it on lakes and rivers. There is a level of concentration that is required that many guys just can't do. I'd bet that it's a skill that Every Elite angler has that separates them from those that don't ever achieve a high level of success.

scaleface reply :

spot on.

Bass newb reply :

I'm thinking this way 5 weeks into learning how to bass fish. My major shortcoming is controlling my casts. I can't put it where i want to but about 25% of the time. I just got blowed up on today for the third day in a row in the weeds. The fish completely missed my frog twice today though. He didn't seem to want to try a third time.

Fun4Me reply :

If we're truly talking about "beginners", is it possible that they just don't know any better, especially if no one is helping them or they're not researching it?

I have a hard time believing that these beginners are just randomly casting to nothing, while still wanting to legitimately try to catch something.

MIbassyaker reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 6:08 AM, LuckyGia said:

I can tell you the difference.

Every cast I make has a purpose. It always has , even as a kid.

I visualize each cast and thought is put into where to throw that cast.

Yeah, OK, sounds good. But from their perspective, the question is, what is the purpose and how did you determine it? The answer is, you have knowledge about behavior and location and presentation that beginners don't have. The only way to get that knowledge is to learn it form someone, or learn it yourself through trial and error, observation, and inference.

The realization that bass are not randomly hanging out just anywhere under the water, but relate to specific locations and strike particular presentations under particular conditions is actually pretty momentous.

greentrout reply :

The young men I see who truly love to bass fish on my waters are grinders. They spend a lot of time on the water. They learn there is no silver bullet to catch bass at will. They have blank zero days but come back and at 'em again. Then from time and experience it clicks and they begin to catch 'em more regularly and can rightfully call themselves LMB fishermen.

The Old School Basser...

scaleface reply :

Every angler should think about each cast ,each lure change... Even beginners , its the fastest way to learn . There will be lots of mistakes made but when things click they will have a better understanding .

cgolf reply :

I fish like you do now mostly, but I got there by trial and error. Time on the water teaches you what, where, and when to toss to cover/structure. When fishing a big flat, it really is just chucking and winding, but I do really work the retrieve in different ways to trigger them.

Reading a river is both an art and a skill, bass will hold in spots you would just think there is too much current looking at it. Just takes the time to learn.

Heck if you put me on a lily pad field right now I would be lost and would probably just chuck a tube and if that didn't work a frog and look like a beginner. Put me on a reed patch and I can hold my own with the best of them.

scaleface reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 9:47 AM, cgolf said:

I fish like you do now mostly, but I got there by trial and error. Time on the water teaches you what, where, and when to toss to cover/structure. When fishing a big flat, it really is just chucking and winding, but I do really work the retrieve in different ways to trigger them.

When fishing a big flat I am casting at a depth or baitfish my marker buoy.. , I still dont chuck and wind . There is a reason for every cast ..

cgolf reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 9:36 AM, greentrout said:

The young men I see who truly love to bass fish in my waters are grinders. They spend a lot of time on the water. They learn there is no silver bullet to catch bass at will. They have blank zero days but come back and at 'em again. Then from time and experience it clicks and they begin to catch 'em more regularly and can rightfully call themselves LMB fishermen.

The Old School Basser...

This summer I learned more about bass behavior when I had to grind for three fish during a severe double dip cold front than when I was whacking them earlier in the week. It really taught me how the bass bite and locations change as the front moves in and squats on your beautiful vacation lake. While the fish numbers were down, the learning opportunity was priceless.

Anantha Patel reply :

I'm certainly nothing like a KVD, but I have seen a lot of people fish with me, and it seems they don't see difference in water. Like, they basically are fine throwing their Berkeley 6" Power worm 15' in a dock loaded with people, as they are throwing something a frog in a weeded, lily pad covered area with bass jumping out of the water for them.

cgolf reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 9:51 AM, scaleface said:
When fishing a big flat I am casting at a depth or baitfish my marker buoy.. , I still dont chuck and wind . There is a reason for every cast ..

Agreed, I have a featureless lake that has a couple of nice flats that I will pick a depth and work it with a bait for that depth and change baits as I change depths. Here I just cast to an area though, not a specific spot since there is no visual targets on the flat vs say a dock where you are casting to a spot.

bigbill reply :

I use the hummingbird portable fish finder at a new spot. This tells me the bottom structure, flats, holes, depths, transition points. Rocky points. Now I know how to fish it from shore.

Catt reply :

I've taught students as young as 4 yrs old to students who are competing at the Pro Level.

To quote Bocephus; " some of us are born with it; some of em don't ever, ever get it!"

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 9:11 AM, Fun4Me said:

If we're truly talking about "beginners", is it possible that they just don't know any better, especially if no one is helping them or they're not researching it?

I have a hard time believing that these beginners are just randomly casting to nothing, while still wanting to legitimately try to catch something.

I know guys who have been fishing for over 25 years that just cast into open water without thought.

It's not just beginners.

Catt reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 7:25 PM, LuckyGia said:

I know guys who have been fishing for over 25 years that just cast into open water without thought.

It's not just beginners.

I have a friend who is my age & has fished for 50+ yrs, when we are together I'll show him the pattern I've figured out but he still doesn't get it. He does not like casting into cover peroid but then he's a perch jerker at heart!

Fun4Me reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 7:25 PM, LuckyGia said:

I know guys who have been fishing for over 25 years that just cast into open water without thought.

It's not just beginners.

I don't doubt that, but do they care? Meaning, are beginners, or people that have been doing it for years, legitimately trying to catch fish, know the proper way, and just go out of their way to defy it?

J Francho reply :

There will be a day when your "proper" way to fish will not work. Will you be humble enough and open minded enough to change?

Instead of deriding n00bz, pick up on their successes, and try to distill what factored in, besides blind luck.

Fun4Me reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 10:01 PM, J Francho said:

There will be a day when your "proper" way to fish will not work. Will you be humble enough and open minded enough to change?

Instead of deriding n00bz, pick up on their successes, and try to distill what factored in, besides blind luck.

I'm assuming, possibly wrongly, you're talking about my post since you used the word "proper" in quotation marks. If you are referring to me, i'm not understanding what you mean.

What I meant by "proper" was throwing to specific targets, as opposed to randomly throwing to nothing as the OP suggests is happening.

scaleface reply :

I feel the OP's original post is the best advice a new bass fisherman can get., not what lure is best .Whether they run with it or not is up to them .

J Francho reply :

Fun4me, it had nothing to do with your post. It was coincidence that I followed yours. I generally use the quote feature when referring to someone's specific content.

Catt reply :

Every one has their own personal repertoire of confusion that they believe to be right and proper.

Many anglers blame every thing from rods, reels, line, lures, & even highly intelligent bass as to why their magic bullet didn't work.

The successful angler has determined the magic bullet is between their ears!

Like any sport there are consummate bench warmers and those capable of competing!

RUSS9999 reply :

Sending a bait into the water with out a target and hoping to catch fish is like shooting a gun or bow with out a deer in your sight and hoping to kill one.

WRB reply :

Tom Mann's book Think Like a Fish, published in 2002.

Tom was a innovator in lure design with soft plastics like Jelly Worms, Sting Ray grubs, hard baits like Little George and fish finders with Humming Bird. What Tom knew best was how to catch bass, good book.

Tom

Raul reply :

It´s really hard to explain ( maybe I´m gifted ) how I find the places that hold the fish ( yes, I do own a depth finder but I don´t use it to find, I use it to confirm that the mental picture of the location is correct ) but I do know for shure, the place "calls me" ( imagine you place a sign with an arrow pointing "CAST HERE" ), also, not only the place calls me but almost tells me what I should cast to it, the most interesting thing here is that it happens anywhere I go ( doesn´t matter if I know the place or not ) and what calls me today may not call me later.

the reel ess reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 6:08 AM, LuckyGia said:

I have this theory that I just can't drive home to many people that I have fished with.

I lost count of how many times I get the look of " really, another one " .

I out fish everybody I fish with. I try not to offer too much advice because I don't want to come across as a know it all.

I can tell you the difference.

Every cast I make has a purpose. It always has , even as a kid.

I visualize each cast and thought is put into where to throw that cast.

When I was younger, I used to call it " thinking like a fish ".

That is all I do. I break down the area in my head and make a conscious decision where a fish might be.

That's where I cast.

I can't tell you how many people just tie on a jointed rapala and throw it anywhere and everywhere.

Now as a seasoned gentleman I cary a arsenal to help find them.

I don't know if anyone will even care or not. But maybe someone who fits this description can just try and " think like a fish "

I have a friend I just got hooked on bass fishing. He used to never catch anything, but he would drink beer in the back of the boat and have a general good time. He caught a big'un that broke his rod once. I gave him another rod to use but he sat down and took pics and started texting the pic to everybody he knows while talking smack to me about having the big fish of the day. As we came back to the landing, I threw out a Rat-L-Trap once and caught one bigger than his, which disappointed him.

I told him you won't catch any fish without a hook in the water. I've gotten a lot better in the last few years at figuring out what to do during the day. But mostly I just TRY HARD. I record my trips in a journal and make mental notes for future. I have a nearly photographic memory of what I caught, how and where. And I'm never afraid to try something different. If they aren't biting, what do you have to lose? I also use advice from others, but I don't take it as Gospel. I've caught some of my best fish ever this past season when my other buddy says bass "aren't biting".

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 10:01 PM, J Francho said:

There will be a day when your "proper" way to fish will not work. Will you be humble enough and open minded enough to change?

Instead of deriding n00bz, pick up on their successes, and try to distill what factored in, besides blind luck.

Seriously ? I have had more than my share of days where nothing works.

I can junk fish with the best of them

LuckyGia reply :

Instead of deriding n00bz,

I am not sure what this means. Could you help me out here ?

Paul Roberts reply :

Yeah, random casting tends to get you random results.

J Francho reply :

I love it when success is predicated upon knowing everything, or at least more than everyone else. Interesting concept.

WRB reply :

I came up with my theory on bass behavior over 40 years ago and published it; The Cosmic Clock and Bass Calendar, era 1974. Learned a few things since then, like more about FLMB behavior and swimbaits, wouldn't change much and it has served me well over the years.

New and experienced bass anglers should learn bass behavior, what they eat where you fish and where they locate, based on seasonal periods. Active bass are a lot easier to catch than inactive bass.

I am a slow and methodical bass angler, but don't waste my time fishing where they are not located or trying to force feed inactive bass hoping they will bite.

Tom

PS, Aaron Martins has the uncanny ability to find bass, always has since a young teenager.

Fun4Me reply :

On 9/2/2015 at 10:57 PM, J Francho said:
Fun4me, it had nothing to do with your post. It was coincidence that I followed yours. I generally use the quote feature when referring to someone's specific content.

Ahh, then I was wrong, sorry about that.

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 12:59 AM, J Francho said:
I love it when success is predicated upon knowing everything, or at least more than everyone else. Interesting concept.

Not really sure what your problem is.

And your a moderator ?

I was trying to instill a thought process to some types of fishefman, which obviously is not you .

I am sensing a little jealously maybe. Not really sure what your problem is.

But if you are going to be a " Global moderator" . Maybe a little bit of thought should be taken before you type.

Fun4Me reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 2:25 AM, LuckyGia said:

Not really sure what your problem is.

And your a moderator ?

I was trying to instill a thought process to some types of fishefman, which obviously is not you .

I am sensing a little jealously maybe. Not really sure what your problem is.

But if you are going to be a " Global moderator" . Maybe a little bit of thought should be taken before you type.

That's pretty uncalled for, don't you think?

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 12:59 AM, J Francho said:
I love it when success is predicated upon knowing everything, or at least more than everyone else. Interesting concept.

Or even better.

I see you are from Rochester. I am over near Syracuse. Maybe we could get together for some friendly competition to see who can catch (1. The most bass..... (2. The biggest bass. You choose the lake.

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 2:30 AM, Fun4Me said:
That's pretty uncalled for, don't you think?

If I am reading more into it, then I apologize.

Choporoz reply :

I suspect its a matter of tone more than message...I can see how someone might read your first post as:

"I outfish everybody. I know more about where the fish are and what they want and I give it to them. I'm focused. Nobody who fishes with me is nearly as focused. But, I'm a gentleman and don't want to hurt their feelings more than they already are by being embarrassed at my skills. If only everybody would think like me, they'd catch more fish."

Obviously this is GREATLY exaggerated, but perhaps you can see why some have may bristled more than embraced your message.

scaleface reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 2:25 AM, LuckyGia said:

Not really sure what your problem is.

And your a moderator ?

I was trying to instill a thought process to some types of fishefman, which obviously is not you .

I am sensing a little jealously maybe. Not really sure what your problem is.

But if you are going to be a " Global moderator" . Maybe a little bit of thought should be taken before you type.

I also dont understand .

Fun4Me reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 2:37 AM, Choporoz said:

I suspect its a matter of tone more than message...I can see how someone might read your first post as:

"I outfish everybody. I know more about where the fish are and what they want and I give it to them. I'm focused. Nobody who fishes with me is nearly as focused. But, I'm a gentleman and don't want to hurt their feelings more than they already are by being embarrassed at my skills. If only everybody would think like me, they'd catch more fish."

Obviously this is GREATLY exaggerated, but perhaps you can see why some have may bristled more than embraced your message.

Agreed, and it doesn't help when the first sign of a possible differing opinion is met with (paraphrasing) I'll out fish you too, just name the time and place.

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 2:37 AM, Choporoz said:

I suspect its a matter of tone more than message...I can see how someone might read your first post as:

"I outfish everybody. I know more about where the fish are and what they want and I give it to them. I'm focused. Nobody who fishes with me is nearly as focused. But, I'm a gentleman and don't want to hurt their feelings more than they already are by being embarrassed at my skills. If only everybody would think like me, they'd catch more fish."

Obviously this is GREATLY exaggerated, but perhaps you can see why some have may bristled more than embraced your message.

Okay, I see that. In no way did I mean to come across like that.

That is even why I don't harp on my friends about their fishing techniques because I don't want to come across like that.

If I sounded like a douce I apologize.

Hope I helped at least 1.

I will stay quiet now.

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 2:41 AM, Fun4Me said:
Agreed, and it doesn't help when the first sign of a possible differing opinion is met with (paraphrasing) I'll out fish you too, just name the time and place.

Okay this may have gone too far.

I never said that.

I said he was in Rochester and I am near Syracuse.

Maybe we could get together for some " friendly" competition.

Again, if this sounded like aggression or an attack. I am very sorry.

I am not looking to outwit anyone.

Choporoz reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 2:42 AM, LuckyGia said:

Okay, I see that. In no way did I mean to come across like that.

That is even why I don't harp on my friends about their fishing techniques because I don't want to come across like that.

If I sounded like a douce I apologize.

Hope I helped at least 1.

I will stay quiet now.

No worries from me. Forum communication is a tricky deal...tone, idioms, sarcasm, lack of facial expressions...all lead to possible misinterpretations, etc. I, for one, agree with what I think was your main point about the brain being the most important piece of gear and keeping your head in the game....PMA!...ok...I've been watching too much of those Gerald Swindle self-help tapes

Fun4Me reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 2:52 AM, Choporoz said:
PMA!...ok...I've been watching too much of those Gerald Swindle self-help tapes

There's no such thing as too much LOL!!

Fun4Me reply :

Op, I understand and agree with your concept.

It's the other stuff that makes me wonder why it was said in the first place.

LuckyGia reply :

If I could just explain myself a little.

When he first stepped in and busted my chops, I responded and even added a smiley face.

Then he jumps in with more attack on me. Now I am threatened. I got carried away and am sorry for that.

I shouldn't have let him get to me. It was a gut reaction from feeling attacked.

Come on Global moderator. Lets get together and fish for fun.

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 3:04 AM, Fun4Me said:

Op, I understand and agree with your concept.

It's the other stuff that makes me wonder why it was said in the first place.

roadwarrior reply :

Well, my very best days are putting guys on their new PB! Just a couple of

years ago I scored twelve in one season. I don't claim to be the best fisherman

in Tennessee, but that's kick'n azz.

So, if you are new and your goal is a 5lb+ smallmouth, we are going to do it

my way. I won't just help, I will quit fishing if that's what it takes. You can use my

gear, I will rig you up and demonstrate EXACTLY what I want you to do. No

competition here with me, we are going to fish as partners.

Canyon explorer reply :

I would say that your advice is spot on. Maybe you are not seeing the response results you are looking for because you haven't figured in the datum for the fisherman . Being new they have yet to invest in the time, physical, and mental commitment to become successful. You have kindled their interest. Your success will become contagious as they watch, emulate and read. Bass Resource.

J Francho reply :

Jeez, take it easy. I'm not busting anyone's chops. I asked what you do

when all your knowledge fails you. When the blind squirrel on the back of

your boat finds a nut, or the guy in your club that ONLY does well when the

good sticks do poorly, what do you do? Is that beginner suddenly an expert

because they did better than you? Probably not, and not even that day. But

do you try to figure out what it is that set those bites apart from yours?

If so, what questions do you ask? How do you add to your knowledge.

Instead of challenging my status as a global moderator (Hint: I didn't get

the job because I'm a better fisherman than you), or telling everyone how

great a fishing mind you have, and that your never out fished, try being

open minded. Answer the simple questions I asked, without the ego. It's

hard to do, and I'm as guilty as anyone of letting my ego get in the way,

but this thread looks as good as any lately to address this. What do you

with the information when you fail? What information do you even process

when you fail? Is a cast into oblivion really ill advised?

Some guy on the back of my deck casts out the "wrong side" into open water.

I roll my eyes, it's directly post spawn.... We're on a strongly defined

weed line - those early stands of milfoil that hold fish when they scatter

from the shallows. Dude catches a fish. A good one. OK, woopty-doo you

say. Me too. Dude catches four more. I caught a dozen or so, grinding out

my finesse pattern - wacky jig, 4" worm, weed line, move super slow. This

guy caught a limit in twice as many casts, in nothing water. They're all

big - lucky this is a team format tournament, lol. Thanks co-angler! When

I ask why, he says he happened to see bait balls on the console DI unit as

we came off plane. I wasn't looking at that, and was more focused on

quietly slipping into my pattern that was already working well. Now, this

guy was new, and I had been explaining how to read the DI. I think his

actual words were, "I was curious if a bass would go out there for that

bait, if it was bait that I even saw."

As far as fishing against each other, we can do that - doesn't matter to me.

I fish Port Bay, Sodus, Oneida, Lake Ontario, heck, I'd even fish that

toilet Onondaga, lol. It's been since last fall. PM me, I'm not too hard

to get in touch with. Probably be easiest to meet, and fish off your boat.

My Bullet is in process of a sale, and I haven't even registered the Xpress

this year. I got lunch after.

Fun4Me reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 3:46 AM, LuckyGia said:
?

Never mind. I give up.

scaleface reply :

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the message Lucky is conveying to noobs is not to let lady luck dictate if they are successful or not .

LuckyGia reply :

Thank you for clearing that up for me. If you had written all this , I would have understood what you were asking me.

My point about many friends just tying on a rapala and casting aimlessly wasn't a direct point that I meant to make. My point was they don't put into place a thought process for each cast.

As to what do I do.

Firstly I scratch my head and think " it worked yesterday "

Then I get busy opening my rod vault and layout every type of presentation I might throw. I always have at least 5 rods or more out with something different on each. From top to bottom level.

Then I just start hitting the spots that I do know and work each type of lure / presentation.

I will throw everything I have until I can figure out a pattern.

If I can't figure out a pattern after 3 to 4 hours, I call it a dud and go home to try again tomorrow.

Probably not much different than most here.

If I am not familiar with the lake. If I have time I like to take time to learn that lake.

I have now started hitting the north end of Cayuga. This is a new place for me. I look at my maps, I look at my gps graph. I determine where " I " think they might be and work my go to lures first. From there I work away from my comfort zone.

I never claimed to have a superb mind. I said I learned to try and think like a fish. From a early age I did this.

If that is bragging, well I am a bragger.

And yes, I do out fish ALL my friends. But you haven't met my friends

None of them take fishing as serious as I do.

As far as fishing with you. I would like to start with a clean slate and say that I seriously would fish with you.

On 9/3/2015 at 4:01 AM, J Francho said:

Jeez, take it easy. I'm not busting anyone's chops. I asked what you do

when all your knowledge fails you. When the blind squirrel on the back of

your boat finds a nut, or the guy in your club that ONLY does well when the

good sticks do poorly, what do you do? Is that beginner suddenly an expert

because they did better than you? Probably not, and not even that day. But

do you try to figure out what it is that set those bites apart from yours?

If so, what questions do you ask? How do you add to your knowledge.

Instead of challenging my status as a global moderator (Hint: I didn't get

the job because I'm a better fisherman than you), or telling everyone how

great a fishing mind you have, and that your never out fished, try being

open minded. Answer the simple questions I asked, without the ego. It's

hard to do, and I'm as guilty as anyone of letting my ego get in the way,

but this thread looks as good as any lately to address this. What do you

with the information when you fail? What information do you even process

when you fail? Is a cast into oblivion really ill advised?

Some guy on the back of my deck casts out the "wrong side" into open water.

I roll my eyes, it's directly post spawn.... We're on a strongly defined

weed line - those early stands of milfoil that hold fish when they scatter

from the shallows. Dude catches a fish. A good one. OK, woopty-doo you

say. Me too. Dude catches four more. I caught a dozen or so, grinding out

my finesse pattern - wacky jig, 4" worm, weed line, move super slow. This

guy caught a limit in twice as many casts, in nothing water. They're all

big - lucky this is a team format tournament, lol. Thanks co-angler! When

I ask why, he says he happened to see bait balls on the console DI unit as

we came off plane. I wasn't looking at that, and was more focused on

quietly slipping into my pattern that was already working well. Now, this

guy was new, and I had been explaining how to read the DI. I think his

actual words were, "I was curious if a bass would go out there for that

bait, if it was bait that I even saw."

As far as fishing against each other, we can do that - doesn't matter to me.

I fish Port Bay, Sodus, Oneida, Lake Ontario, heck, I'd even fish that

toilet Onondaga, lol. It's been since last fall. PM me, I'm not too hard

to get in touch with. Probably be easiest to meet, and fish off your boat.

My Bullet is in process of a sale, and I haven't even registered the Xpress

this year. I got lunch after.

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 4:10 AM, scaleface said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the message Lucky is conveying to noobs is not to let lady luck dictate if they are successful or not .

I am still trying to figure out. .. who or what is noobs ?

scaleface reply :

" If I can't figure out a pattern after 3 to 4 hours, I call it a dud and go home to try again tomorrow. "

8 hours for me. 3 or 4 hours I'm still in elimination mode .

scaleface reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 4:40 AM, LuckyGia said:
I am still trying to figure out. .. who or what is noobs ?

Beginners , like in the topic title .

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 4:42 AM, scaleface said:

" If I can't figure out a pattern after 3 to 4 hours, I call it a dud and go home to try again tomorrow. "

8 hours for me. 3 or 4 hours I'm still in elimination mode .

Yeah I used to do that.

Bad back limits my time on the boat.

cgolf reply :

I am surprised by the OPs bravado. After following the elites the last few years and watching arguably the best stick ever, KVD miss this years classic tells you fishing is tough and even the best of the best can't always figure it out. Same with Ike, love or hate the dude, but he is a solid stick too that has had it share of troubles.

If those guys can't always figure it out after days of practice, I don't feel too bad if I blank on a weekend trip and can't pattern the fish. I go out with a plan and evolve it on the water as the day unfolds. If I fail I chalking it up to learning.

J Francho reply :

Cayuga Lake... I don't bother with the north end, unless it's prespawn, close to spawn. I like the deep weed lines north of Red Jacket. Launch from Deans Cove, turn left, fish the next six miles. You will find some stuff there.

K_Mac reply :

I knew this was going to turn sour when I read, "I outfish everybody I fish with." There are many good fishermen. There are a few great fishermen. Nobody is the best every time out. LuckyGia if you are always the best, you need to find some new partners. Better yet, take RW's advice and teach some others to beat you occasionally. Then everyone will be better, including you.

WRB reply :

The title of this thread will attract new young anglers to read it.

Imagine what they think! Put your egos aside and post something helpful that may improve a new angler (noob) to achieve some success.

Tom

greentrout reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 9:55 AM, cgolf said:

I am surprised by the OPs bravado. After following the elites the last few years and watching arguably the best stick ever, KVD miss this years classic tells you fishing is tough and even the best of the best can't always figure it out. Same with Ike, love or hate the dude, but he is a solid stick too that has had it share of troubles.

If those guys can't always figure it out after days of practice, I don't feel too bad if I blank on a weekend trip and can't pattern the fish. I go out with a plan and evolve it on the water as the day unfolds. If I fail I chalking it up to learning.

You know I willing tell you I don't have all the facts as I usually do so instead I'll comment on KVD not making the Classic using my gut. KVD is a hyper kind of guy who likes to sling spinnerbiats in cover and other scenarios like that in shallow water. He does not like a slow presentation or something without cover. Most tournaments this year, I think, were on bodies of water devoid of cover like huge lakes that favor baits like swim baits needing thorough knowledge of structure. Not his element. Notice more tournaments up North than usual with again a lake kind of proposition. A very good basser I know told me guys like KVD don't do well with modern electronics and fish finders. He was serious. Well, KVD perhaps is also on the way to becoming an Old School Basser. Good fishing.

The Old School Basser

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 11:20 AM, K_Mac said:
I knew this was going to turn sour when I read, "I outfish everybody I fish with." There are many good fishermen. There are a few great fishermen. Nobody is the best every time out. LuckyGia if you are always the best, you need to find some new partners. Better yet, take RW's advice and teach some others to beat you occasionally. Then everyone will be better, including you.

Trust me, if I could take back the " I out fish everybody " comment, I would.

I regret using those words.

I should have said,,, Most of the time when I fish I tend to bring in more fish than my partner.

Hope that is better.

But I am not at a point in my life that I am looking for new friends that might, and I emphasis " might" catch more fish than me

Look, I am the kind of guy, either you love me or you hate me. I am okay with that.

Senko lover reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 11:37 AM, greentrout said:

You know I willing tell you I don't have all the facts as I usually do so instead I'll comment on KVD not making the Classic using my gut. KVD is a hyper kind of guy who likes to sling spinnerbiats in cover and other scenarios like that in shallow water. He does not like a slow presentation or something without cover. Most tournaments this year, I think, were on bodies of water devoid of cover like huge lakes that favor baits like swim baits needing thorough knowledge of structure. Not his element. Notice more tournaments up North than usual with again a lake kind of proposition. A very good basser I know told me guys like KVD don't do well with modern electronics and fish finders. He was serious. Well, KVD perhaps is also on the way to becoming an Old School Basser. Good fishing.

The Old School Basser

Preeeety sure KVD does just fine with modern electronics and fish finders, trust me. They're a tool that every elite series pro almost certainly knows how to use with confidence.

KVD is a professional angler, he has to adjust to fish his strengths on any body of water the tour may be stopping at. This last tournament, at Lake St. Clair, is his favourite place in the world to fish; he's fished there a lot, knows the lake. He just isn't catching them as well this year, not making the right decisions, I guess. An exception would be Kentucky Lake, where he finished in the top 5 fishing deep and not sometimes utilizing a slow presentation. I don't think he was fishing cover either.

Catt reply :

We are all from different backgrounds, have a wide range of ethnicities, and personalities that are enumerable.

We will from time to time step on each others toes, bump each others elbows, and bruise each others egos. We as adults need to suck it up and get over ourselves; this thread is too helpful to others to let egos get in the way.

I aint addressing anyone in particular so don't let it go to your head!

Fun4Me reply :

My theory for beginning fisherman

Try and read as much information as you can, to think like a fish, and hope that you're lucky enough to find an angler like roadwarrior who is willing to put his own ego aside, put his own gear in your hands and teach you the proper way, even if it means he catches no fish.

K_Mac reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 7:02 PM, LuckyGia said:

Trust me, if I could take back the " I out fish everybody " comment, I would.

I regret using those words.

I should have said,,, Most of the time when I fish I tend to bring in more fish than my partner.

Hope that is better.

But I am not at a point in my life that I am looking for new friends that might, and I emphasis " might" catch more fish than me

Look, I am the kind of guy, either you love me or you hate me. I am okay with that.

I understand the love/hate thing. I am an opinionated guy who isn't loved universally!

I do agree that paying attention while fishing, and studying the habits and patterns of bass to better understand our quarry is key to success at every skill level.

hatrix reply :

I have always had some soft of purpose in the casts I make for as long as I can remeber. I always kinda knew places that would likely have fish but couldn't give you all the details why when when I was just a kid. There was no internet and any fishing info I could really get way a basspro catalog and stuff like watching Roland and Bill on weekend mornings. Now I know so much more about conditions and why and where to look for fish but even that still didn't really dial me in. I would have to say realy what made me better was fishing big swimbaits. Lots of times for all you know is it might be a one chance deal to get this fish to bite. And if not you had better think that way really if you want to start catching more consistently. This can be really true when casting pretty much anywhere except like submerged structure in open water or something. You need to or should have a plan of attack and go rght for it first cast. You can work a spot and after some casts get to the cast that really struck you as the place to cast. That's prett ok when fishing normal baits but I totally noticed I hooked better fish consistently setting everything up perfectly and getting it all right on the first cast. I am not sure how many people really try to break down the angle you need to come across something at and peolw who are new to fishing it probably never crosses their mind. Even if you have the angle what speed and depth if possible do you fish it at. That also can be a huge factor. Then when you do get to your target what do you do? Do you even know when you are actually right next to it or over it. Do you just keep fishing like nothing has changed or do you kill it? Maybe a few quick turns of the handle or rip it hop it ect? It is also just not knowing how to work baits right. You can really say there is a "right" way but there are things you can do that help you get bit. Just this winter / early spring fishing I was fishing with a buddy of mine a bunch. He had a fairly good grasp of what was going on but didn't really know the little tricks you can do. Like fishing traps and me telling him every once in a while kill it for a split second then give it a long drag and let it die for another split second and start feeling again. Or casting to a spot and me say watch I am going to let it sit for a little then give it a quick hop or crank it down really quick for a second. That is just such a huge part. Peolw who are new have terrible technique or no past experience they can relate to on what has got them bit before. There have been lots of times I have fished with people and there might be 3 or 4 of us all using the same lure. I have caught say 6 fish so far they all have none of maybe someone got one or maybe just missed one and they ask why. I will tell them straight up that it's cause you suck and a huge part is your terrible at casting. The angle you approach something at along with your casting accuracy can play a enormous factor in catching fish. The way you work a bait also plays a big factor but even with flawless technique of you blow the cast of come past a fish that has its back to it or is on the other side of something and never gets to see it or it's just to far to late you probably won't catch it. If you have someone better then you to fish with who can give you pointers or tell you why this or that your fishing can really explode all of a sudden. I have a buddy who moved this year pretty and I never really see him. He is kinda new to fishing and has a few years under him but we didn't fish much. Before he moved we fished constantly together for a good little stretch. We usually put a hurt on some fish and now he is out there solo and still doing pretty good. It is the best year he has ever had he said. He is catching way way more fish and bigger one and more often. He knew what he was doing before because he is not completely oblivious to what is going on around him but he didn't really know. He didn't think about it the same way he does now. He also never had those key bites r enough of them before were it just clicked. You really have to have to right mindset and how you break it down to be successful on a constant basis. It also really helps to fish with people who are better then you are and learn from them.

scaleface reply :

Older anglers had an advantage in that we did not get a lot of bad advice from the internet . LOL

Paul Roberts reply :

Hmmmmm... trying to distill this thread has been a challenge. But I think I get it. Easier, since I was out fishing yesterday.

I know where my lure is at all times, from cast to re-cast: how far the cast, how high or low it flies, it's angle to the sun, exactly where it's headed (often a matter of inches), the lure's relation to structure and cover (distance, angle), splashdown, pause interval (if at all), line bow with breezes or currents, line angles (rod position), where in the water column the lure is, retrieve speed, triggers imparted, and any info imparted through the line, or seen in or at at the water's surface, etc...etc.... Yesterday, I located a pod of feeding bass in a dying milfoil patch revealed by two wakes. I caught 4 there, and none in the surrounding expanse of milfoil.

It's all about noticin' stuff. It helps to know what to look for. When you do, you'll find it can pay off to notice just about everything.

LuckyGia reply :

On 9/9/2015 at 5:40 AM, Paul Roberts said:

Hmmmmm... trying to distill this thread has been a challenge. But I think I get it. Easier, since I was out fishing yesterday.

I know where my lure is at all times, from cast to re-cast: how far the cast, how high or low it flies, it's angle to the sun, exactly where it's headed (often a matter of inches), the lure's relation to structure and cover (distance, angle), splashdown, pause interval (if at all), line bow with breezes or currents, line angles (rod position), where in the water column the lure is, retrieve speed, triggers imparted, and any info imparted through the line, or seen in or at at the water's surface, etc...etc.... Yesterday, I located a pod of feeding bass in a dying milfoil patch revealed by two wakes. I caught 4 there, and none in the surrounding expanse of milfoil.

It's all about noticin' stuff. It helps to know what to look for. When you do, you'll find it can pay off to notice just about everything.

Please be very careful. The veterans will accuse you of being a know it all.

Funny, in going back over this post which I have not read in a while. Most people agreed with what I said. All except 2 really. One of them I blocked. No brainer. He was a sidekick looking to provoke. The other is a member with authority.

And after reading everything, I feel like a shmuc for backing dowm.

I stand by everything I wrote. It was just taken out of context.

I also feel the moderators job is to diffuse situations, not light the fuse.

Popcorn time Watch, I'll get banned

the reel ess reply :

This is a sure-fire, tried and true method for beginners (children and women). Put them in the back of the boat with a beat up Zebco 33 on a mismatched rod, some lure you never use from the bottom of the tackle box like a white grub or Mepp's Comet Minnow & tell them to just keep casting. They're almost guaranteed to beat the pants off you. Works every time. You'll beat the water all day for a few bites from bass and they'll fill the livewell with all species. Then they'll shame you into cleaning them for dinner.

Fun4Me reply :

Your theory is fine, and to a certain extent I agree with it, the problem seems to be that you can't take any criticism regarding differing opinions, that there may be more than one way to catch fish, or that some beginners don't really care how into it they are.

The golf guy that takes a cooler full of beer, some beat up sticks, hacks around the course, looses 20 balls, and shoots a 125, might be just as happy as the guy who has the best clubs money can buy, has taken lesson after lesson, wouldn't think of drinking for fear it might hurt his game, and puts his head down to grind for a 91.

J Francho reply :

Paul, actually does know everything!

Paul Roberts reply :

Yeesh. Now I'm sorry I posted. Shoulda let this one die.

On 9/10/2015 at 1:02 AM, LuckyGia said:
Please be very careful. The veterans will accuse you of being a know it all.
Funny, in going back over this post which I have not read in a while. Most people agreed with what I said. All except 2 really. One of them I blocked. No brainer. He was a sidekick looking to provoke. The other is a member with authority.
And after reading everything, I feel like a shmuc for backing dowm.
I stand by everything I wrote. It was just taken out of context.
I also feel the moderators job is to diffuse situations, not light the fuse.
Popcorn time Watch, I'll get banned

Ah, the veterans already know I'm a know-it-all.

Since you mention it, I don't think your OP was taken out of context. You set up the context. It didn't really say a whole lot more than pay attention/don't cast randomly. There were more "I"'s than information in that post. What's a beginning angler to do with that? Just saying you know it all doesn't make you a know-it-all -even a know-somethin'. Don't get yourself banned; give -even a little- instead.

LuckyGia reply :

Sorry I am perfect. Greatness is just my way.

K_Mac reply :

You may be a great fisherman or not; on the internet you can be anything you want to be. Your people skills could use some work though.

J Francho reply :

I like turtles.

ClackerBuzz reply :

I used to subscribe to this theory until I spent more time on the water. then i'd fill up on humble pie day after day. trying to cast with purpose is almost purposeless until you have experienced eye's. and even then it's still hard

the bigger key is to catch a bass and then stop what you're doing for a few moments/minutes to analyze the who/what/where/when/why/how that bass was there. what variables made that location desirable?

depth, shade, current, weeds, retrieve etc? finding out those clues help you make future casts that day and hopefully many day's to come.

Ratherbfishing reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 2:37 AM, Choporoz said:

I suspect its a matter of tone more than message...I can see how someone might read your first post as:

"I outfish everybody. I know more about where the fish are and what they want and I give it to them. I'm focused. Nobody who fishes with me is nearly as focused. But, I'm a gentleman and don't want to hurt their feelings more than they already are by being embarrassed at my skills. If only everybody would think like me, they'd catch more fish."

Obviously this is GREATLY exaggerated, but perhaps you can see why some have may bristled more than embraced your message.

I, also, bristled at the original posting and thought about making a comment to that effect but then I reconsidered. Still, it seems I'm not alone.

scaleface reply :

I've out fished beginning fishermen close to 100 per cent of the time . Thats no surprise . LOL . I do have a few buddies that know how to fish and they can very well lay it on me .One friend of mine had never bass fished in his life but make no mistake , hes an angler . He grew up a river rat and just plain knows how to fish. He picked up one of my baitcasters for the first time and was doing a decent job of casting right off the bat .

Another thing beginning fishermen struggle with is lure selection . I wish they could all read old Bassmaster magazines with Rick Clunn interviews. They were the most informative articles ,in my opinion , that Bassmaster ever published He preached that a tackle box is like a tool box and the lures are tools . Try to select the right tool for the job at hand . Learn the lures and even if the wrong lures are selected and they will be , we all go through it , this conscious decision of trying to pick the correct lure for the condition at hand is the quickest way to learn .

BassThumb reply :

Go often, and pay attention to detail. Put in the hours and good experiences will come, often at unexpected times.

Further North reply :

On 9/3/2015 at 4:01 AM, J Francho said:

Some guy on the back of my deck casts out the "wrong side" into open water.

I roll my eyes, it's directly post spawn.... We're on a strongly defined

weed line - those early stands of milfoil that hold fish when they scatter

from the shallows. Dude catches a fish. A good one. OK, woopty-doo you

say. Me too. Dude catches four more. I caught a dozen or so, grinding out

my finesse pattern - wacky jig, 4" worm, weed line, move super slow. This

guy caught a limit in twice as many casts, in nothing water. They're all

big - lucky this is a team format tournament, lol. Thanks co-angler! When

I ask why, he says he happened to see bait balls on the console DI unit as

we came off plane. I wasn't looking at that, and was more focused on

quietly slipping into my pattern that was already working well. Now, this

guy was new, and I had been explaining how to read the DI. I think his

actual words were, "I was curious if a bass would go out there for that

bait, if it was bait that I even saw."

I've caught some of my best fish on "the wrong side of the boat". Every now and then, I turn around and chuck whatever I'm tossing out to the deep side...let it sink a bit and bring it back...this works sometime, sometimes not...but most often if it does, the fish is bigger than I'm catching along shore.

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