I fish this pond pretty regular and know it well. I fished it for the first time at night and got skunked. I never fish for large mouths at night and didnt think it would be any different. I tried a good number of techniques and didnt even get a bite. Any one out there that has some insight on bassin at night give me some help. Baits, techniques, etc...
Fill me in please!
I would try topwaters, such as a zara spook, jitterbug, buzzbait, and a frog. If nothing will hit these, then I usually will throw spinnerbaits, jigs, or crankbaits, but especialy spinnerbaits. One with a big colorado blade, black or blue, rattle, and at least 3/8 ounce, I prefer half or better ounce. Make sure it's got a trailer hook!
QuoteI would try topwaters, such as a zara spook, jitterbug, buzzbait, and a frog. If nothing will hit these, then I usually will throw spinnerbaits, jigs, or crankbaits, but especialy spinnerbaits. One with a big colorado blade, black or blue, rattle, and at least 3/8 ounce, I prefer half or better ounce. Make sure it's got a trailer hook!
Right on!
Smallie can be caught at night too! See my avatar for an example.
try a black/blue or black/red texas rigged craw worm like a berkley chigger craw on a 1/8oz. tungsten weight.
Two words.. Jitter Bug.
Jitterbug: 5/8 ounce Black also the jointed model
Jittersticks in black
Jitterwalks and Spitting Images...larger ones
Large Black single Colorodo Blade Spinner baits
I throw em over some deep weed beds, better fish , i work away from the shore at night now
Jigs with black trailer
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5 inch Black lluring Trick Sticks wacky or t rigged weightless
I only fish at night w/3 spinning rods all with power pro 8lb diam.
Rod #1: 4/0 gammy, 1/16 bullet & either a red & blk palm tree or a junebug palm tree. Rod #2: 4/0 gammy, 1/16 bullet & either a blk, red & silver or junebug or peanut butter & jelly senko. Rod #3: 2/0 gammy, 1/16 bullet & a blk w/red, or junebug or a smoke w/blue & gold flappin' hog. The last 3 trips out (in the past 1 1/2 wks), the black/red palm tree or the junebug flappin' hog have been red hot. Hope this helps.
Go again, period. Fish it as if it were daytime. Some nights, they just aren't around, but when they are.........
Go again, don't give up yet.
QuoteI would try topwaters, such as a zara spook, jitterbug, buzzbait, and a frog. If nothing will hit these, then I usually will throw spinnerbaits, jigs, or crankbaits, but especialy spinnerbaits. One with a big colorado blade, black or blue, rattle, and at least 3/8 ounce, I prefer half or better ounce. Make sure it's got a trailer hook!
Absolutely try black spinners with big colorado blades.Also try Heddon torpedos and crazy crawlers
Looks like i need to invest in some Darker baits. I was told bigger is better at night too. What i was told is that a bigger worm makes more turbulence in the water, which makes it easier for the fish to find and easier to see. Does anyone know if that holds any ground? I actually fished a small community lake from dusk to night yesterday and it was off the hook. I drop shotted a oxblood robo worm also bold blue gill curly tail and landed a lot of 1 1/2 lbs fish. I also tried throwing a popper and a spook and did not get even a swirl. Thanks for all your tips, if you have anymore advice i would be more than happy to hear it.
Oh yeah what type of bait is a palm tree? is that the color or a type of plastic i dont know about. Can you provide a link or instructions on how i can view what your talking about? Thanks again.
The Palm Tree is the same as a GYCB Fat Ika:
http://***/cgi-bin/order/92F-10
8-)
Kinda what i expected. I thought you would fish it with the skirt in front though. I dont know if i have the patience to dead stick anything. How would you recommend to fish it if this something in your arsenal?
Thanks for turning me on to that site.
By the way those two smallies are monsters, Nice catch!
I've never had a good night fishing without some moonlight. More light = more bait activity = a decent bite from what I've seen. I troll for bass, walleye, and pike up here in the bays of Lake Ontario at night, and my best luck trolling or even casting is with anything that makes noise, and is dark.
My best lures at night are wallydemons, and the black jointed jitter-bug. Creature and craws have done well too when on a rattle jighead.
What is a wallydemon? Im learning all kind of new things on this site!
Thanks for the info once you tell me about the wallydemon i might just have to pick one up and add it to my arsenal.
I do love night fishin'. I got hooked on it 2 years ago. One bait for me!
5/0 Gammy. 3/16 blk tungsten bullet. 10-12 in. black or junebug Berkley Powerworm. That is all you need. Med. Hvy. rod, 30 lb. PowerPro.
Good luck!
30lb. for bass? I don't even use 30lb. for trolling dipsy divers for salmon and steelhead! For bass, I use 6lb. braided or 10lb. mono line on my 6' Bass pro GS ultra light with a diawa Regal 1500xi I believe its called.
CW79 Wally Demon
Fish the same baits, same locations, and same techniques you would during the day!
QuoteI've never had a good night fishing without some moonlight. More light = more bait activity = a decent bite from what I've seen. .
Not here, the backside of the moon cycle can be just as deadly as the front. Dark nights, low wind,....deadly.
QuoteFish the same baits, same locations, and same techniques you would during the day!
Seems like you mentioned this before...
I guess after thirty-something years it's still
working for you!
8-)
Deadly when pitch black? Really.... Nice! Maybe I'm missing an opportunity and just need to fish it differently. I'll give it a shot. I've never been a fan of plastic worms, but they get mentioned here alot along with senkos, palm trees, etc. so I'll try em.
Anyone fish in waters that have trout and salmon? I was fishing for smallies just outside of Braddocks bay on Lake Ontario, when BAM! a 28" Brown Trout took almost my whole spool of line, before i brought him in! What a rush (and struggle on light tackle)
I've been fishin for 26 yrs. and I still learn something new about catching fish every day I'm on the water or reading online. ;D
Yeah I only fish 6 lb green maxima on my Stradic 1000 hooked up to either 6 1/2 ft shimano compre or my other set up with a 7 something crucial Ds rod. For my bait casters i fish 8 to 10 lb grn maxima,
I like the light stuff personally. That Wally demon looks like a baby cat crank, not a bad looking bait. I prefer all the japanese hard baits with the more life like look, but i dont like the prices much!
I fished the same pond i have been lately after dark last night and it was an ok bite. I used an Edge productions Conrad (looks like a crawdad) in purple and browns, i like to call it sexual choclate. I caught a few nice little fish, nothing over three but it was a good time as you all know quite well. Edge productions hot sauce is the way to go, i caught three with the stink on my plastic's to the one my buddy caught without. He refused to use it and i think his mind is changed.
SinDale- Try big baits that have continuous movement so they can track it. Dying Flutters, woodchoppers,buzzbaits,j-bugs
Contact baits, not baits that require "line watching" for best results. Once you get dialed in, you may want to experiment more with the other stuff, but I would suggest starting with contact baits.
Color is irrelevant, 95% of them are black at night anyway
QuoteSinDale- Try big baits that have continuous movement so they can track it. Dying Flutters, woodchoppers,buzzbaits,j-bugs
And big ol' freaking wake baits
I do better when there is no full moon and a slight chop on the water.
I fished until 10 p.m. last night. It was dark by 8 and we continued to catch good fish on the same lures we were using when the sun was out. Cranks, tubes, spinnerbaits. The bite never died. we would have stayed later but I had to work today and we were 1/2 hour from home. There were quite a few lights from the city and it was an awesome time! Over 20 good fish each! The wind was ferocious but the fish didn't mind.
QuoteQuoteFish the same baits, same locations, and same techniques you would during the day!Seems like you mentioned this before...
I guess after thirty-something years it's still
working for you!
8-)
As mentioned before bass do not morph into a new creature after dark, if you've caught there before dark they'll be there after dark. Bass eat the same bait fish, crawfish, or whatever after dark as they do during daylight hours.
The eyes of a bass go through a night adaptation cycle beginning at twilight and are usually adapted for black, white, and all shades of gray within an hour after darkness. Bass can see color but not at night, color it's self is meaningless at night. Bass cannot see details at night, so don't waste time with meticulously painted or patterned lures. Contrast is more important by far than color at night. If you fish water where shad or minnows are the predominate prey species, then try white spinners with a white grub. The usual night time favorite black is the second choice in shad populated lakes. Black or dark hued lures give maximum contrast at night when run on or near the surface. Under water vision for the bass is reduced at night, so use lures that are a little larger. Slow retrieves work better because it lets the bass locate the lure easier and zero in on it.
I normally prefer fishing during the full moon vs. the new moon even though the gravitational pull is three times greater during the new moon. It is more difficult to fish a new moon because it is harder to keep your boat off of stumps and it is harder for the bass & angler to connect. If I fish a new moon I will usually fish open water and avoid shoreline areas. The light from the full moon illuminates the bait against the surface for more contrast. I usually start night fishing during the April full moon and continue through the October full moon.
heeeee this is cheating so I hope no one else but you reads this....
One of my most fun outings in a while occured on a summer trip on about a 30 acre private lake.....
I had caught several dozen live perch during the day with my cast net, and we waited for nightfall as this trip was in August during the dog days of summer...
It was real fun as we used those glow bobbers and it was nice and cool with a bright moon provided enough light....
We caught a few big channel cat....... I caught a 3 and 5 lb. bass.... and then my buddy just starting yelling...... he had no telling what on and line was stripping like he had a Godzilla on the line........
He fought it around 10 minutes and unfortunately it went right under the boat and finally broke him off.... guess you would have had to been there but it was no doubt a monster fish....
Now I'm not a proponet of live bait fishing but it was a nice change of pace....... that's all I'm saying......
RW had give me a tip to start using Yozuri ultra soft line as I had a few fish break me off.... so I'd try this line or some heavy duty braid as you'll probably get into some real nice bass....
Another technique that works when the bite turns off is drop shot fishing... there are many lures for this but my particular fav is zoom finesse worm......
Good luck.
Thank you for all the good tips!
I tried an all black spinner bait with a big colarado blade on it last night and cast the crap out of it. I tried everything imaginable to get a fish on that d**n thing and only got one bump. I tried to present it the same, thinking that was my indicator on how the fish might want it but no dice. I then started fishing a buzz bait which was a better choice because every three to four cast i was getting blown up on. Funny thing about it was the fish seemed to be playing games with it. The fish would breach and nock the buzz bait clean out of the water and never have it in its mouth. This went on for abpout twenty min before the fish were over it all together. I kinda wish i had someone video taping it because it was annoyingly hilarious! Better luck next time i guess?
With my black strike king midnight special; I cast it out there - wait until it hits the water - keep stripping line until the lure hits the bottom - start reeling almost as slowly as I can trying to keep contact with the bottom. A Colorado blade gives the bait tons of lift - so I reel VERY slowly - just enough to feel the blade kicking/thumping.
I try to stay consistent with that retrieval, but there are times I have needed to mix it up. We have also used the yo-yo retrieve, but again really slowly.
One variable I have notice with the midnight special is that it has a built on rattle. If you retrieve it too quickly, I think the rattle tone changes and renders the bait ineffective.
I have noticed a bit of a pattern with the wind - When there is wind, the bait with the rattle works - no wind; I use one without a rattle and let the vibration of the big blade do all the work.
Rich
The model i am using is a BOOYA (all black w/ a big silver colorado blade w/ a big red eye on the jig head) . I am pretty sure there isn't a rattle.
I know you can buy rattles to attach to pretty much all baits now a day's. I like your idea's Ill have to give them a whirl. Thanks for the tips!
well, I dont think that this has been mentioned yet, but I have found that Bass feel more secure under low light and/or no light, meaning they may roam more an not hold so tight to cover. My most effective night fishing technique has got to be fishing weed lines with a jitterbug or buzzbait on one rod. If I happen to get hit and not hook up then I opt for my second rod with a lake fork tackle 5.5 inch swim bait. This change of pace and the lure being under teh surface tends to pull a second strike from the fish.
Just my two cents...
Your two cents seem to hold some ground. What type of action are you giving your swim bait? Are you working it slow off the bottom or just a straight retrieve? I heard something like that before regarding a miss strike on the top water lure. I was told to follow up with a plastic in the general area of the 1st attempt by the fish. It has worked for me in the past but with a slow moving texas rigged worm.
My number 1 bog bass bait at night is a black rattlehead buzzbait.
What is everyone's go to buzz bait? Make/ Size/ Color's ?
I know all baits are not created equal so some insight would be great, before i start dropping coin on some useless tacklebox filler.
Thanks Again
QuoteThank you for all the good tips!I tried an all black spinner bait with a big colarado blade on it last night and cast the crap out of it. I tried everything imaginable to get a fish on that d**n thing and only got one bump. I tried to present it the same, thinking that was my indicator on how the fish might want it but no dice. I then started fishing a buzz bait which was a better choice because every three to four cast i was getting blown up on. Funny thing about it was the fish seemed to be playing games with it. The fish would breach and nock the buzz bait clean out of the water and never have it in its mouth. This went on for abpout twenty min before the fish were over it all together. I kinda wish i had someone video taping it because it was annoyingly hilarious! Better luck next time i guess?
If the fish are missing the bait or short striking at night, might change to a Rage Shad. It gives you the noise and ruckus of a bigger buzzbait in a weedless 3" soft plastic. With it you have the opportunity to pause at the strike and drop the bait to them. When they mouth the soft plastic they are much more likely to hold on so that you get a good hook set.
Big O
Thats a great idea! Ive never seen anything like that before. I definately will try to find some or resort to ordering a few packs. Thank you to turning me onto them.
I cannot wait to be included in this club. I bet I have to leave Kentucky to do it. I don't mind that too much though. I have already experience the best smallmouth bass fishery in the world and if I have it my way I will return there annually. I cannot wait to experience Texas and Mexico largemouth bass fishing.
Haven't been here in a month. just came to make a post about "what exactly can a bass see at night?"
I wonder if they can see as good as us at dusk or better or worse. And what is it they see. I think profile and vibration is very important at night. I've caught them on lots of stuff, but nothing touches the Rapala #10 husky Jerk 3/8oz firetiger seen here.
http://www.bluelaketackle.com/rapala-husky-jerk-434-38oz-firetiger-pi-8555.html?type=jpg
The thing slays it for me at night AFTER dusk. Great night lure, especially in a lake or pond with perch in it. Give it a try bro, you'll love it.
Todd
I've had a few trips where we've done real well at night....... it is much better at night with a full moon or close to it.....
The lures that will really work are Senkos-dark color Dark plastic worms- such as a black powerworm and best of all are spinnerbaits, and buzzbaits....... all in black...... black is definitely the best color at night..........
I've had huge blow ups on the Rage Tail Shad- and I guess any kind of topwater is good to try at night.......
Rage Tails Look Awesome! I cant wait to find a store near me that carries them. I have spent way too much money on d**n gimmicks but this looks ideal. Anyone do fairly well on the rage tail, Which conditions?
listb, you can ck out the search bar at top right of page for rage shad, rage craw, rage chunk, rage toad or (rage tail)
Also www.ragetail.com is the website for more info on uses, hooking instructions etc. on all of the different baits.
BTW, on many store shelves now the Rage Tails are packaged in hardshell clams to hold perfect shape while inside the bag.
Big O
Big fan of hair jigs...
Here's a couple that I use often,
Jigs are a very good night bait.
I'd throw bigger/heaver jigs then what's in the photos for night fishing largemouth...
The rabbit hair jigs in the photo's are a must for me, more so during the early morrings... Just my .02
Any of you guys ever fish Lake Mission Viejo in CA?
Rabbit hair jigs are pretty rare around where i live. I think i've seen one in a bargain bin before, other than that they are pretty ilusive.
I am sure the pulse and flicker real nice under the water. Do you fish them slow or do you have multiple presentations? I am interested in fishing with regular jigs as well.
QuoteRabbit hair jigs are pretty rare around where i live. I think i've seen one in a bargain bin before, other than that they are pretty ilusive.I am sure the pulse and flicker real nice under the water. Do you fish them slow or do you have multiple presentations? I am interested in fishing with regular jigs as well.
2 Presentations... for smallies
Slow swimming the jig is a good choice, at times, deadly.
Slow draging, and stopping the jig once in awhile on the bottom is a must.
Here are some fly's that I drag on the bottom during the night "Bunny leech"
Adding weight to these fly's, like a small splitshot is key at times.
Jitterbug does the trick for me next would have to be a hula popper
When working your Jitterbug, is it a slow straight retrieve or do you stop and go?
I'll cast it out, let it sit for 15-20 seconds and then bring it back slow & steady.
Good stuff I'll have to remeber that 15-20 second rule
Last Saturday I was at my favorite pond on my canoe and the bite was very tough. After 5 hours of fishing everything everywhere I only had caught a single 4 pounder on a salty stick right along a tule edge. I'm fairly stubborn though and decided to stay late and throw my black 3/8oz Cavitron buzzbait after dark. It gets dark here at 7:20 now.
I threw it for about 20 mins with no luck but just waited as it was still getting darker and my eyes (and the fishes') were adjusting. After throwing and retrieving along the exact same line for 3-4 times I got my first blowup and my first nighttime fish. I kept going while slowly moving around the pond and casting as parallel as possible to the shore or weedline. I found it very important to cast the same line 3 or 4 times, sometimes it took the repetition for the fish to home in on the bait or possibly anger the fish enough into striking.
I've never experienced fishing that was so heart pounding. I'd go 5 minutes without anything but the whir of my reel and the squealing burble of the cavitron then all of a sudden WHAM a 4 pounder would hit it like a freight train and while I'm no nighttime expert it seemed that the fish fought much much harder than during the day.
Want to get a real wake me up? I had a fish blowup on my bait when it was about 2 feet away from the boat. It scared the crap out of me.
One more unforgettable scene was I had turned the boat in a cove and started casting out towards the middle and pulling the bait past this old stump sticking out there. The light from the city 20 miles away was being reflected off the low clouds onto the water. After 2 casts I see a head slowly appear next to the bait and attack it like a shark or the Loch Ness Monster or something. I've never seen or heard of a bass doing that before.
Anyways get a 3/8 oz buzzbait in color black and get out there and work every inch you can. You will have success.
-Shore
Shore,
Sounds like it all payed off in the end, way to stick it out and get what you were there for. Yeah i have to say ive never heard or seen a bass show any back on the attack, that must have had your nerves on end seeing the fish in stalk mode.
I found this foot ball feild size pond recently around the corner from my house. Its a great little body of water, it has lots of cover and some good size fish to top that i have never seen another angler there at all. Anyway, I was fishing a buzz bait the other evening and had a very unusual thing happen. Every three to four cast i was getting blown up on but the fish was more or less just launching the bait clear out of the water. It was like it was a game to the fish, it seemed to have no intention of eating it just punishing it. This took place for quite some time before all the fish lost interest. I tried to follow up the misses with a texas rigged roboworm(bold blue gill) and had no luck, it was amuzing yet very confusing.
Cavitron chartreuse, ghost minnow, or black. If you don't have a cavitron buzz bait, you are passing up fish.
Theres nothing better. I've found that if you see a rise, unless you see it rise 1 or 2 more times, to use a spinner-bait, preferablly black. Usually if I cast any sort of topwater, it will hit 3 outta 5 times. With a spinner, i found it hit 4 outta 5 times. So always have a pole with a spinner on it. (a senko works as well)
This probably isn't going to help all that much but help others better understand the fish. Here's what I've come up with as to why it is more difficult to catch when the sun goes down. It takes the human eye roughly 30 minutes to adjust from light to dark. For bass, it takes them 2 hours for their eyes to adjust to darkness. This is the reason fishing usually abruplty ends. I'm not a scientist and cannot explain the reason for this next bit of info. They are somehow able to adjust their eyes 2 hours prior to the sun coming up. Given that info about the 2 hours after dark,...I would assume you would need something loud and create vibrations in order for them to locate your bait because they arent able to see it. Their lateral lines on the sides act as ears under the water and are very sensitive. So this is the technique I would consider knowing the little facts about the anatomy of the fish. I hope this helps. -Grouch
What about night cranking? Anyone out there throw Crank Baits at night? I would think they move enough water and make a lot of comotion that could trigger the bass to hunt. Please share some tactics or presentations and types of crank baits that work well for all of you. I am doing well fishing this pond at night with all your Recommendations so far might as well get all the info i can. Thanks for passing off the knowledge!
QuoteGood stuff I'll have to remeber that 15-20 second rule
and don't forget to try the opposite. (and everything in between)
Often times, when a real meal falls into the water, it doesn't hang around, it begins to swim immediately, be it a mouse, bug, snake,whatever
QuoteQuoteGood stuff I'll have to remeber that 15-20 second ruleand don't forget to try the opposite. (and everything in between)
Often times, when a real meal falls into the water, it doesn't hang around, it begins to swim immediately, be it a mouse, bug, snake,whatever
Yup good point - i never wait for the "rings to dissapear" and never really thought it was necessary myself. what animal that drops in the water waits to struggle?
Solid black spinner, small colorado blade and that should tear them a new one!!!!
2,000,000 candle power spot light and 1/4 stick of dynamite...not really catch and release friendly, but makes for one heck of an outing.
The eyes of a bass go through a night adaptation cycle beginning at twilight and are usually adapted for black, white, and all shades of gray within an hour after darkness. Bass can see color but not at night, color it's self is meaningless at night; contrast is more important by far than color at night.
Quote2,000,000 candle power spot light and 1/4 stick of dynamite...not really catch and release friendly, but makes for one heck of an outing.
Grouch, you rookie,....you forgot the 12 pack and THE NET!! ;D
Any night time crankers out there? Yeah I never really wait til the rings dissepate either. I was told when you throw a crank bait you should let the rings disapear first then cause comotion as you start your retrieve. DOes anyone concur?
Yep, the case of beer is always first on the list!
when night fishing , an a night bite is on then go to a bigger baits .its same as fishing in the day time. but dark , bass love to hit a falling bait at night
i 've never tried night fishing for bass, one day i will.
I think more important than color or contrast is noise. Buzzbaits, poppers, jitterbugs, rat-l-traps, etc.... Also the brighter the moon the better the fish will be able to see
QuoteQuote2,000,000 candle power spot light and 1/4 stick of dynamite...not really catch and release friendly, but makes for one heck of an outing.Grouch, you rookie,....you forgot the 12 pack and THE NET!! ;D
I don't think a 12 pack is enough for that much fun!
QuoteAny night time crankers out there? Yeah I never really wait til the rings dissepate either. I was told when you throw a crank bait you should let the rings disapear first then cause comotion as you start your retrieve. DOes anyone concur?
I have a friend who fishes this lake in Wisconsin where he used to only fish a mann's -1 in parrot color at night and reels it in super slow. He usually catches fish, but the last time I went with him I brought my night time thumpers. I caught 8 fish - nothing really big, but they all counted. Sadly, I was with him for his first skunking on his lake.
My most recent night time outing in Michigan I was out with my father-in-law. He was also using a thumper, but had no rattles. I was using one with a new glass rattle that I just picked up from my local BPS. I out fished him 3:1. If I remember correctly it was a new moon with a slight breeze causing a bit of a ripple on the surface.
There are a lot of senses coming into play at night. Sometimes a little change in retrieve speed, tone of a rattle, and wind conditions can make a big difference.
When you say thumper are you reffering to a spinner bait?
yes, lrg Colorado blades
Quotetry a black/blue or black/red texas rigged craw worm like a berkley chigger craw on a 1/8oz. tungsten weight.
Forkman is right on the money with this one except I'd add a glass bead and a brass bullet weight to the texas rig, it'll add a little clicking sound to help the bass find the lure in the dark. I also use this method in the really muddy waters that I fish.
Also, you will have better luck when the moon is full, the bass will be more active and more likely to strike at a topwater bait, but still use dark colors.
Its top water time!!!!! Dont forget to target the shallow bass that are chunking up for the winter.