Mike Long 2024
WRB reply :
If you all want to discuss Mike Long controversy don't add other site vedios it's against site rules.
Mike Long lost his reputation back in 2014 by falsely taking credit for bass he didn't catch. Mike lost his signature swimbait rod by Dobyns as a direct result.
Tom
flatcreek reply :
I just read the latest article . Hard to believe someone would go to extreme measures to win tournaments like that.
A-Jay reply :
The comments on the man's FB page are classic.
A-Jay
MN Fisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 6:17 AM, A-Jay said:The comments on the man's FB page are classic.
A-Jay
Of course he hasn't posted anything new that I could see in over a year...think he's hiding?
A-Jay reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 6:26 AM, MN Fisher said:Of course he hasn't posted anything new that I could see in over a year...think he's hiding?
Been working on his newest rig ~
A-Jay
MN Fisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 6:27 AM, A-Jay said:Been working on his newest rig ~
A-Jay
That treble ain't big enough for his style of 'fishing'.
Also, his own webpage has also been quiet for over a year.
Catt reply :
I've talked to a few of guys from California who know him & they all say he has always been that way.
Reminds me of the guy from Texas who was on a major roll winning tournaments, sponsorships, signature enforcements, until they found out he was putting weights in fish & even having friends put fish in cages.
I don't get people who do things like that ????
A-Jay reply :
Put's a Giant Black Eye on the sport.
Bassheads who competed within the rules may have been swindled.
Moving forward, any & most all hard earned success experienced by an angler, (especially repeated success) despite being conducted well within the rules, will be questioned - as unfairly at it may seem.
The whole thing's a hot mess.
Some one should but the man on a suicide watch - . .
I can see it coming.
A-Jay
Bassin' Brad reply :
He's replying to almost all of the comments on the YouTube video. He thinks he's real cute smarting off to everyone.
Harold Scoggins reply :
Man, just sitting here shaking my head. Thumbs up to the author, they really did their homework. I don't feel sorry for Long though, I feel sorry for everyone who fished against him in all those tournaments and never jeopardized their honor.
Efishin reply :
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A-Jay reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 6:49 AM, Bassin' Brad said:He's replying to almost all of the comments on the YouTube video. He thinks he's real cute smarting off to everyone.
That might not actually be him.
Anyone can make up a YT profile and use his pic from any where.
A-Jay
Bassin' Brad reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 7:13 AM, A-Jay said:That might not actually be him.
Anyone can make up a YT profile and use his pic from any where.
A-Jay
You're probably right about that. Somebody took the opportunity to troll for awhile....or maybe we should call it snag.
Carole Murphy reply :
Well Fishermen, I sure wish my late husband, Lunker Bill Murphy was still alive to see this about Mike Long....thanks Tom for posting....Carole Murphy
slonezp reply :
Who's Mike Long?
iabass8 reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 7:13 AM, A-Jay said:That might not actually be him.
Anyone can make up a YT profile and use his pic from any where.
A-Jay
That's definitely not him. The "I should be banned from YOUR MOM" gave it away. The comments are funny though.
So is he just fishing essentially a "bubba shot" but instead of using a bait he's using a weighted treble hook? I can't tell from the video but is he just sight fishing these large bass and trying to snag them or are they actually being mouth hooked /w the treble?
Efishin reply :
Was he snagging fish in addition to deceiving others by claiming lake records with others fish? Confused lol
Drew03cmc reply :
Jesus guys. My son was pretty interested in him after reading Sowbelly. I just told him and it's like an OJ fan after the Nicole and Ron Goldman murders.
I'm wondering how it took so long to put it all together. It makes Weakley, Kurita, etc that much more incredible to me.
Hook2Jaw reply :
Hawkeye21 reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 7:36 AM, Drew03cmc said:Jesus guys. My son was pretty interested in him after reading Sowbelly. I just told him and it's like an OJ fan after the Nicole and Ron Goldman murders.
I'm wondering how it took so long to put it all together. It makes Weakley, Kurita, etc that much more incredible to me.
It can take a while to get credible evidence. Word of mouth can only go so far and it sounds like that’s all they had for a long time. Seems like he was a professional scammer.
Fried Lemons reply :
Amazing how his reputation seems to have been built entirely on lies. And like all liars he had to perpetuate the lies to maintain the fake persona he built for himself. Even if it made him rich and famous, I don't understand how someone could live this way, in constant fear of being exposed. His behavior in the article seems like borderline sociopathy.
Hawkeye21 reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 7:28 AM, Efishin said:Was he snagging fish in addition to deceiving others by claiming lake records with others fish? Confused lol
He did a bunch of different things. Snagged bass on different lakes then staged them in areas to pretend he caught them during a tourney. Snagged bass on one lake then brought it to another lake to claim he caught the record there. Took a photo of himself holding another perso ‘s bass then claimed it was his and used it to claim he caught the record on two different lakes. Snagged bass to show he could catch big bass for his social media and promote his sponsors.
The list goes on.
On 6/25/2019 at 7:58 AM, Fried Lemons said:Amazing how his reputation seems to have been built entirely on lies. And like all liars he had to perpetuate the lies to maintain the fake persona he built for himself. Even if it made him rich and famous, I don't understand how someone could live this way, in constant fear of being exposed. His behavior in the article seems like borderline sociopathy.
Reminds me of Lance Armstrong.
Efishin reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 7:59 AM, Hawkeye21 said:He did a bunch of different things. Snagged bass on different lakes then staged them in areas to pretend he caught them during a tourney. Snagged bass on one lake then brought it to another lake to claim he caught the record there. Took a photo of himself holding another perso ‘s bass then claimed it was his and used it to claim he caught the record on two different lakes. Snagged bass to show he could catch big bass for his social media and promote his sponsors.
The list goes on.
Reminds me of Lance Armstrong.
Dang. I always heard of Mike Long and his association with Dobyns rods, but I never knew that he was this type of character. Bad look for Dobyns....
Glaucus reply :
It's clown behavior like that that puts people like me (Aspergers) in a tough and stressful position of lie detector tests should I ever achieve my dreams. Rules, laws, and warnings exist for a reason: because it's been done, and those immoral people screw it up for others.
punch reply :
That SDFish article on him is 9 pages of AMAZING writing and journalism. I found it even more entertaining than the youtube video.
The levels that guy went to to cheat in tournaments & setting lake records was pretty amazing.
HookdUP reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 6:39 AM, A-Jay said:Put's a Giant Black Eye on the sport.
Bassheads who competed within the rules may have been swindled.
Moving forward, any & most all hard earned success experienced by an angler, (especially repeated success) despite being conducted well within the rules, will be questioned - as unfairly at it may seem.
The whole thing's a hot mess.
Some one should but the man on a suicide watch - . .
I can see it coming.
A-Jay
He’s deleted his Instagram and Twitter
punch reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:33 AM, HookdUP said:
He’s deleted his Instagram and Twitter
Aww all that quality content gone! Darn.
The entire saga online today has been quite amazing to watch spread over all the fishing forums & facebook.
MN Fisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:33 AM, HookdUP said:
He’s deleted his Instagram and Twitter
How long before his Facebook, personal website and Youtube account disappear?
Any bets?
Stephen B reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:37 AM, punch said:Aww all that quality content gone! Darn.
The entire saga online today has been quite amazing to watch spread over all the fishing forums & facebook.
Sad to see that some people think that cheating, lying, and deception will continue and never be found. Sad as it makes you think that how many records out there are fictitious. Which are truly real?
That behavior displayed by Long not only discredits his body of work but also makes Dobyns look bad and any other business he was associated with. Ultimately, all ethical fisherman pay for his behavior as he stole from them and deceived the public.
MN Fisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:39 AM, MN Fisher said:How long before his Facebook, personal website and Youtube account disappear?
Any bets?
Spook too soon - went and checked...his Facebook account is down.
Mobasser reply :
As others have said, this hurts the entire sport. Don't care for guys like this at all.
On 6/25/2019 at 7:26 AM, slonezp said:Who's Mike Long?
And now, who cares?
senile1 reply :
Celebrity worship is naivete in action. Some would call me a cynic though I would say I am a realist. I hear and see people speaking highly of the character, goodness, and skills of celebrities, including quite a few on this forum who think some professional anglers' poo doesn't stink. You don't know what you don't know and the true story of Mike Long is now appearing to be revealed. Every group of people, no matter how skilled or kind they appear to be, has some bad apples. There are no exceptions.
Who's next? ????
Caliyak reply :
Youtube is down now
N Florida Mike reply :
I honestly have never heard of him . How’d he get caught?
GeekFisher reply :
Just saw the video on YouTube. The main site of the original publisher is down but YT video is still there. Fish out of the water WAY too long ????
Caliyak reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 10:11 AM, N Florida Mike said:I honestly have never heard of him . How’d he get caught?
He’s big in So-Cal for swimbait fishing. He was caught, on tape, snagging bass. All allegations and not confirmed by anyone.
MN Fisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 10:31 AM, Caliyak said:All allegations and not confirmed by anyone.
The fact that he's removed himself from virtually all social media platforms is damning in itself. Why wouldn't he try to defend himself if it was just 'allegations'?
soflabasser reply :
I am not surprised he got caught snagging bass. Lots of California trophy bass fishermen have caught their best catches by snagging, using live trout, fishing off limits water. Now he is in the same group as Lance Armstrong, steroid abusers, and other people that cheat to win.
flyfisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 10:43 AM, soflabasser said:I am not surprised he got caught snagging bass. Lots of California trophy bass fishermen have caught their best catches by snagging, using live trout, fishing off limits water. Now he is in the same group as Lance Armstrong, steroid abusers, and other people that cheat to win.
While I completely agree that Lance Armstrong was cheating and the way he ruined peoples lives after the fact to cover his own deception is the most concerning to me but literally everyone was doing the same thing during his time as champion. They never even gave the 2nd 3rd 4th etc...the title because they were all cheating too. Cycling is by far the dirtiest sport out there....Lance was just really good at it lol
Glaucus reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 10:48 AM, flyfisher said:While I completely agree that Lance Armstrong was cheating and the way he ruined peoples lives after the fact to cover his own deception is the most concerning to me but literally everyone was doing the same thing during his time as champion. They never even gave the 2nd 3rd 4th etc...the title because they were all cheating too. Cycling is by far the dirtiest sport out there....Lance was just really good at it lol
Some sports are so corrupt that it pushes formally moral athletes to cheat just to keep up with the rest of the cheaters.
flyfisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 10:51 AM, Glaucus said:Some sports are so corrupt that it pushes formally moral athletes to cheat just to keep up with the rest of the cheaters.
that is exactly right. Sad really but it is what happened. the web of deceit that Lance had and the intricacies involved it is amazing he did what he did for so long. Not to be forgotten, he did have an incredible team around him too.
Caliyak reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 10:35 AM, MN Fisher said:The fact that he's removed himself from virtually all social media platforms is damning in itself. Why wouldn't he try to defend himself if it was just 'allegations'?
I agree. How do you change your reputation after this? He might get off legally but your name gets destroyed.
flyfisher reply :
reputation is done....time to move on to other things for him.
MN Fisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 11:30 AM, flyfisher said:time to move on to other things for him
Selling t-shirts from a cart at the local mall?
greentrout reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 11:30 AM, flyfisher said:reputation is done....time to move on to other things for him.
selling used cars ...
Caliyak reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 11:30 AM, flyfisher said:reputation is done....time to move on to other things for him.
He’s in SD, he can try salt water, alone
flyfisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 12:00 PM, Caliyak said:He’s in SD, he can try salt water, alone
maybe he will go back to catfishing...pun intended
soflabasser reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 10:48 AM, flyfisher said:Cycling is by far the dirtiest sport out there.
Cycling has many cheaters but not as many as bodybuilding (not a sport but they still abuse steroids), powerlifting, and weight lifting. I would say bodybuilding attracts the biggest cheaters I have met in my life. A man that has to take illegal performance enhancing drugs to compare or beat a natural athlete has no honor just like most bass fishermen agree illegally snagging a big bass deserves no recognition.
On 6/25/2019 at 11:57 AM, greentrout said:selling used cars ...
LOL!
Glaucus reply :
If I was him I'd move to the Midwest and just fish (the right way) for fun and stay out of the tournament scene. Just live a quiet life away from the cameras.
flyfisher reply :
People like that can't stay out of the limelight for too long...they thrive on it otherwise why go through all that trouble.
jimmyjoe reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 12:26 PM, Glaucus said:If I was him I'd move to the Midwest
Why the Midwest? I wouldn't want him here. jj
Glaucus reply :
Can there be a case for fraud here as far as money made off the lies? Seems that could be legally devastating for him.
On 6/25/2019 at 12:31 PM, jimmyjoe said:Why the Midwest? I wouldn't want him here. jj
Me either it just seems like the quietest, out of the limelight place to go.
MN Fisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 12:26 PM, Glaucus said:If I was him I'd move to the Midwest
We don't want his type here.
soflabasser reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:52 AM, senile1 said:Celebrity worship is naivete in action. Some would call me a cynic though I would say I am a realist. I hear and see people speaking highly of the character, goodness, and skills of celebrities, including quite a few on this forum who think some professional anglers' poo doesn't stink. You don't know what you don't know and the true story of Mike Long is now appearing to be revealed. Every group of people, no matter how skilled or kind they appear to be, has some bad apples. There are no exceptions.
Who's next? ????
Well said!
NorcalBassin reply :
Wow, that article is well done and just crazy. What a tool.
Glaucus reply :
Bill Murphy was scared of Mike Long.
...
“Murphy absolutely thought he was a cheater. I had breakfast with Bill Murphy a few months before he died, he thought not only was he dangerous, but he was a cheater, and that he was spawning a bad element in bass fishing in San Diego County,” Zieralski told me in a phone interview this May. “He did not respect Long. He feared him. He feared the element that Mike was bringing into the sport.”
https://sdfish.com/general/dark-secret-americas-big-bass-guru-mike-long/2/
That's crazy. Sounds even worse than I thought.
BigSkyBasser reply :
This guy is the Lance Armstrong of bass fishing.....but worse.
I just watched watched all of sdfish.com's video. Absolutely broke my heart.
OCdockskipper reply :
You have to know that when people began becoming suspicious and accusations started, the default response of his would be "they are just jealous".
You see a similar response all the time when someone achieves success, be it financial, political, celebrity and they act like a jerk. Anyone who calls them out as a jerk will be dismissed as being jealous. The fact is people can achieve success and be jerks or cheaters, those categories are not mutually exclusive and jealousy is rarely the main motivation for pointing it out.
Glaucus reply :
Just finished reading the whole article. He threatened so many people who caught him cheating and in a few cases essentially tried to kill some of them by loosening wheels. He even threatened a 13 year old and made it known that he knew where he slept and shined lights in his window.
He belongs in jail, and he's lucky he never received a shot to the head.
BassWhole! reply :
Free lure to the first to identify the quote:
"I'm sorry, I gave them back their money, everybody cheats, I just didn't know", "so now you know"...
Hook2Jaw reply :
Man, if this dude was shining a flashlight into my son's room he would more than likely be rolling his big, lying, cheating, scumbag, 6'18" butt in the grass outside said bedroom with a load of buckshot in it.
Truly a great big stinky turd of a person.
Koz reply :
I can't even imagine the mindset of cheaters and liars and their need for constant attention.
You do have to admire the author of the story and video, Kellen Ellis, for his tenacity. He not only did his research in putting together the article, but he spent untold hours stalking and filming Long to get proof of his snagging bass.
evilcatfish reply :
The author of this article did a fantastic job. I don’t know much about the world of journalism but he should be nominated for an award.
I feel like a made for TV movie, or perhaps a dateline episode needs to done about this
flyfisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 3:48 PM, Glaucus said:Just finished reading the whole article. He threatened so many people who caught him cheating and in a few cases essentially tried to kill some of them by loosening wheels. He even threatened a 13 year old and made it known that he knew where he slept and shined lights in his window.
He belongs in jail, and he's lucky he never received a shot to the head.
To be fair, that was completely speculation as nobody saw him or had evidence it was him who did that. Now the other stuff, yeah that seemed to be pretty straight forward bad stuff.
scaleface reply :
I know an angler like that . He even weighed my fish in a tournament . I was young at the time and let him get away with it . He had trophy's from tournaments out of state that he never even fished in . He hired a guide to fish with in a club tournament . I dont know what causes this type of behavior . Maybe an inferiority complex .
TOXIC reply :
And in the end, all we have is our honor and reputation. His is gone.
jimmyjoe reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:26 PM, TOXIC said:And in the end, all we have is our honor and reputation.
Too true. Some people learn this waaaaaaay too late. jj
Catt reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 8:27 PM, flyfisher said:To be fair, that was completely speculation as nobody saw him or had evidence it was him who did that. Now the other stuff, yeah that seemed to be pretty straight forward bad stuff.
Did you not watch the snagging video?
That's evidence for me ????
On a positive note that lake he was snagging those Hawgs on I would love a week checking that out!
flyfisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:43 PM, Catt said:
Did you not watch the snagging video?
That's evidence for me ????
On a positive note that lake he was snagging those Hawgs on I would love a week checking that out!
I did, I was referring to the removing/loosening of the lug nuts on the trailer wheels
Catt reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:48 PM, flyfisher said:I did, I was referring to the removing/loosening of the lug nuts on the trailer wheels
Ya need to be a little more specific with your answer.
flyfisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:51 PM, Catt said:
Ya need to be a little more specific with your answer.
I guess highlighting the part in the quote i was referring to wasn't enough. Probably wouldn't hurt for you to read and comprehend my entire post as well as I made sure to call out everything else seemed to be pretty straightforward and not on the up and up.
Glenn reply :
Ok children, ease up on the snarky remarks.
Team9nine reply :
Rather amazing. Reminds me a bit of the “Angler X” fiasco years ago, among others. A good look into the psychology of the gamer and the gamed, and makes you wonder just what else we’ve accepted over the years (catches, records, tourney wins, even forum posts/pics) where reality might not have ever been “discovered.”
Junger reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 7:16 PM, BassWhole! said:Free lure to the first to identify the quote:
"I'm sorry, I gave them back their money, everybody cheats, I just didn't know", "so now you know"...
Is this the free lure. 
Big Rick reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 7:16 PM, BassWhole! said:Free lure to the first to identify the quote:
"I'm sorry, I gave them back their money, everybody cheats, I just didn't know", "so now you know"...
Bill Dance
On 6/25/2019 at 1:35 PM, Glaucus said:Bill Murphy was scared of Mike Long.
...
“Murphy absolutely thought he was a cheater. I had breakfast with Bill Murphy a few months before he died, he thought not only was he dangerous, but he was a cheater, and that he was spawning a bad element in bass fishing in San Diego County,” Zieralski told me in a phone interview this May. “He did not respect Long. He feared him. He feared the element that Mike was bringing into the sport.”
https://sdfish.com/general/dark-secret-americas-big-bass-guru-mike-long/2/
That's crazy. Sounds even worse than I thought.
Thanks for posting the link to the article.
Bassin' Brad reply :
Its hard to imagine living with that much stress, knowing that at any moment all your lies and scams could be found out.
MN Fisher reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 11:00 PM, Bassin' Brad said:Its hard to imagine living with that much stress, knowing that at any moment all your lies and scams could be found out.
People with that kind of ego don't stress about the lying because they don't think they'll ever get caught.
Mobasser reply :
Honesty is always the best policy, in fishing and everything else. If I go fishing and get skunked or have a good day, either way it's all on me. At the end of the day, I have nothing to hide, and I don't worry either way. Long made his choice, and now he has to live with it.Guys like him are out there. I love fishing too much to let someone like this mess up my favorite sport, in any way. Tonight after work, I'll be trying to catch some bass, and I could care less about Mike Long.
GReb reply :
I remember Mike Long from when I was a kid and he was gracing Bassmaster covers.
He deserves to be banned from every public fishery in the country. It’s unethical on so many levels.
WRB reply :
After reading the 9 page article documenting Long's record of cheating it's amazing this story didn't go public years ago.
John Kerr gave Mike Long credibility by association and that must haunt John who is without doubt one of the top bass anglers and a good honest man.
I have only talked to Mike Long twice for a few minutes at Anglers Bass A Thon events and he seemed friendly but always in a hurry to hustle vendors for lures. I just never gave Mike much thought, he was a loner never joined in group chatter for lunch.
Bill Murphy apparently saw through the facade and was spot on about Mike being bad for bass fishing.
Tom
Arcs&sparks reply :
Hope they make an example out of him. Fishing privileges revoked, fines etc. Fishing laws are taken very seriously where I’m from, hope the same goes for Cali.
Catt reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 12:08 AM, WRB said:After reading the 9 page article documenting Long's record of cheating it's amazing this story didn't go public years ago.
Being from that area & with your level of expertise did what he wrote or videos he made didn't he sound like he knew what he was talking about?
He did have an ability to catch big bass or how else would he have known where to go to snag em. Or how else could he have caught em to find or say he caught em where he didn't.
12poundbass reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 12:33 AM, Catt said:
Being from that area & with your level of expertise did what he wrote or videos he made didn't he sound like he knew what he was talking about?
He did have an ability to catch big bass or how else would he have known where to go to snag em. Or how else could he have caught em to find or say he caught em where he didn't.
From reading the article it sounds like the lakes there are super super clear so maybe he saw them and snagged them. On the other hand he did catch Dottie legitimately.
WRB reply :
Mike Long was a seminar speaker at Bass A Thon events before 2014 and had a big audience, he could talk the talk. Mike Long learned a lot about big bass from John Kerr and was invited to fish local and private lakes with several good bass anglers who revered him. I can not speculate about his fishing skills and according to John Kerr Mike wasn't a highly skilled angler. My guess is he used live bait and/or treble hook trap rigged jigs to snag bed fish when fishing alone as clearly documented.
Tom
Bassin' Brad reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 12:50 AM, WRB said:Mike Long was a seminar speaker at Bass A Thon events before 2014 and had a big audience, he could talk the talk. Mike Long learned a lot about big bass from John Kerr and was invited to fish local and private lakes with several good bass anglers who revered him. I can not speculate about his fishing skills and according to John Kerr Mike wasn't a highly skilled angler. My guess is he used live bait and/or treble hook trap rigged jigs to snag bed fish when fishing alone as clearly documented.
Tom
So do you think he has caught his share of big bass legitimately? He obviously didnt use his snag-rig while fishing with others...
WRB reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 1:25 AM, Bassin' Brad said:So do you think he has caught his share of big bass legitimately? He obviously didnt use his snag-rig while fishing with others...
Mike could only snag bed fishing caught bass at night and usually alone or fishing with a local who knew the lakes. I am sure he caught some big bass legitimately but we will never know if he caught any giant bass legally.
Tom
Junger reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 1:39 AM, WRB said:Mike could only snag bed fishing caught bass at night and usually alone or fishing with a local who knew the lakes. I am sure he caught some big bass legitimately but we will never know if he caught any giant bass legally.
Tom
Did he tournament fish(solo) during other times of the year, where bedding bass were not around? That would also seem like a red flag.
Pickle_Power reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 1:25 AM, Bassin' Brad said:So do you think he has caught his share of big bass legitimately? He obviously didnt use his snag-rig while fishing with others...
It was noted in the article several times that Kerr mentioned that Long barely contributed to their catches in the tournaments in which they were teamed up. Except for the fish he apparently illegally hid in bags in his boat, only to pull one out later, acting like he'd just caught it.
12poundbass reply :
Read the comments on the video and like someone mentioned there I-Cast is coming up very shortly. I wonder if he’d show his face? Highly doubtful, but nothing would surprise me at this point.
BigSkyBasser reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 2:00 AM, 12poundbass said:Read the comments on the video and like someone mentioned there I-Cast is coming up very shortly. I wonder if he’d show his face? Highly doubtful, but nothing would surprise me at this point.
This guy is all about ego and reputation. Now that his is ruined, I highly doubt we'll hear from him ever again.
Hawkeye21 reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:25 AM, punch said:That SDFish article on him is 9 pages of AMAZING writing and journalism. I found it even more entertaining than the youtube video.
The levels that guy went to to cheat in tournaments & setting lake records was pretty amazing.
I 100% agree. It reminded me of watching a documentary.
Bassin' Brad reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 1:45 AM, Pickle_Power said:It was noted in the article several times that Kerr mentioned that Long barely contributed to their catches in the tournaments in which they were teamed up. Except for the fish he apparently illegally hid in bags in his boat, only to pull one out later, acting like he'd just caught it.
I need to go back and finish reading the long article. I kept having problems with it loading yesterday.
Largies4Life reply :
Where can the article be found?
Found it.
MN Fisher reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 2:29 AM, Largies4Life said:Where can the article be found?
https://sdfish.com/general/dark-secret-americas-big-bass-guru-mike-long/
greentrout reply :
gotta believe there are some others involved ... likely payola happened ...
good fishing ...
Koz reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 2:20 AM, Bassin' Brad said:I need to go back and finish reading the long article. I kept having problems with it loading yesterday.
The server that the website is hosted on probably couldn't keep up with all of the web traffic yesterday. It was slow to load for me last night and I kept dozing off waiting for pages to load.
Team9nine reply :
Kind of interesting to go back through some of the archived threads on this site pertaining to giant bass and Mike, among others, knowing what we now all have read. Would be interested in the thoughts of some of those posters now that all this has come to light.
J Francho reply :
Myself included!
Arobb2012 reply :
I never heard of the guy till yesterday. He seems like a real p o s.
Jigfishn10 reply :
After reading the article, it's hard to imagine that dumpster fire wasn't blazing years ago.
A-Jay reply :
If even bad press is good press, Mr Long is getting a bunch.
And being the opportunist, as he seems to be, if there is a way to capitalize on all this 'attention', however malignant, he may just find a way.
After a brief stint at a clinic to help him with is 'addiction', pick one (oh, you know that's coming),
expect to see a tell all book, or an interview with Dan Rather or Oprah, perhaps even a one on one with our own Glenn May . . .
Would anyone be surprised ?
????
A-Jay
Glaucus reply :
I keep thinking about a case for fraud for making money off giant bass he either didn't catch or didn't legally catch, but there's no definitive proof; and fraud for taking tournament money from anglers who were legitimately catching their fish, but again there's no definitive proof. What we have is credible eye witness accounts, but that isn't enough in the court of law. I'm thinking about how he likely did try to kill other anglers who knew what he was doing by loosening their wheels, and how that criminal behavior needs to be punished, but again there's no definitive proof. I'm thinking about how he used intimidation tactics, especially regarding a 13 year old boy, when he made it clear he knew where he slept and shined lights through his window, and how that criminal behavior needs to be punished, but again that can't be proven in the court of law.
This scumbag will get away with almost all of this. The only thing I can see him being in legal trouble over is snagging the bass in this video. How much trouble in the grand scheme of things probably isn't a lot, if any. I'm sure a case would be made about stalking, recording without consent, cries that he isn't the man in the photo, something, anything.
Sadly it seems it is up to the industry to punish him. Take away all his sponsors, take away his lake records, and ban him from all the lakes. No tournaments, ever, although it seems he stopped tournament fishing because he's a fraud who couldn't answer questions honestly.
Jigfishn10 reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 3:31 AM, A-Jay said:If even bad press is good press, Mr Long is getting a bunch.
And being the opportunist, as he seems to be, if there is a way to capitalize on all this 'attention', however malignant, he may just find a way.
After a brief stint at a clinic to help him with is 'addiction', pick one (oh, you know that's coming),
expect to see a tell all book, or an interview with Dan Rather or Oprah, perhaps even a one on one with our own Glenn May . . .
Would anyone be surprised ?
????
A-Jay
Matt Lauer perhaps?
punch reply :
he lost his rod sponsor today
813basstard reply :
How he cheated with someone else in the boat was unbelievable. I mean truly unreal he was that far gone.
OCdockskipper reply :
Wasn't Long in the boat with Mac Wheatley & Jed Whatshisname when Dottie was caught weighing 25 lbs?
** I just looked it up, Long did not fish with those two**
It would be interesting to know those two's opinion of the article & video.
Efishin reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 3:45 AM, punch said:he lost his rod sponsor today
Who was his rod sponsor he lost today? Was it just Dobyns?
soflabasser reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 7:36 AM, Drew03cmc said:It makes Kurita that much more incredible to me.
Manabu Kurita caught his 22 pound, 5 ounce bass with live bait which is 100% legal in the area he was fishing. He also has an impressive resume of trophy bass he caught on artificial lures. As far as I am concerned his catch is the most legit +22 pound largemouth bass caught this century so far.
Todd2 reply :
I'd never heard of him until today, crazy story.
Drew03cmc reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 4:31 AM, soflabasser said:Manabu Kurita caught his 22 pound, 5 ounce bass with live bait which is 100% legal in the area he was fishing. He also has an impressive resume of trophy bass he caught on artificial lures. As far as I am concerned his catch is the most legit +22 pound largemouth bass caught this century so far.
His is THE world record to me. I'm sorry, the Perry fish is bulls. There is no info or anything. Thr "picture" can't be verified and it wouldn't even get laughed at before tossed in the trash today. Dottie passes all of the tests, but because of California's rule about being hooked outside the mouth, it was disallowed. I believe in that 25-01 more than 22-04.
WRB reply :
I would be surprised if we ever hear from Mike Long. Does anyone remember Mike Hart Mike Heart was a tournament bass angler out west who was caught cheating in the US Open at lake Mead by putting torpedo weights with hooks to add a few oz’s. Hart won several events with his partners Bill Siemantel and John “Zank” Zankoski. Siementel managed to weather the storm Zank didn’t. I knew all 3 men and never thought Mike Hart was a cheater until he was caught red handed.
Tom
RB 77 reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 4:48 AM, WRB said:I would be surprised if we ever hear from Mike Long. Does anyone remember Mike North? Mike North was a tournament bass angler out west who was caught cheating in the US Open at lake Mead by putting torpedo weights with hooks to add a few oz’s. North won several events with his partners Bill Siemantel and John “Zank” Zankoski. Siementel managed to weather the storm Zank didn’t. I knew all 3 men and never thought Mike North was a cheater until he was caught red handed.
Tom
Mike Hart?
Hawkeye21 reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 3:34 AM, Glaucus said:I keep thinking about a case for fraud for making money off giant bass he either didn't catch or didn't legally catch, but there's no definitive proof; and fraud for taking tournament money from anglers who were legitimately catching their fish, but again there's no definitive proof. What we have is credible eye witness accounts, but that isn't enough in the court of law. I'm thinking about how he likely did try to kill other anglers who knew what he was doing by loosening their wheels, and how that criminal behavior needs to be punished, but again there's no definitive proof. I'm thinking about how he used intimidation tactics, especially regarding a 13 year old boy, when he made it clear he knew where he slept and shined lights through his window, and how that criminal behavior needs to be punished, but again that can't be proven in the court of law.
This scumbag will get away with almost all of this. The only thing I can see him being in legal trouble over is snagging the bass in this video. How much trouble in the grand scheme of things probably isn't a lot, if any. I'm sure a case would be made about stalking, recording without consent, cries that he isn't the man in the photo, something, anything.
Sadly it seems it is up to the industry to punish him. Take away all his sponsors, take away his lake records, and ban him from all the lakes. No tournaments, ever, although it seems he stopped tournament fishing because he's a fraud who couldn't answer questions honestly.
People can get in legal trouble and do get in legal trouble for cheating in tourneys. The problem here is how long ago those tourneys happened and the lack of evidence other than another person's word.
Mobasser reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 3:31 AM, A-Jay said:If even bad press is good press, Mr Long is getting a bunch.
And being the opportunist, as he seems to be, if there is a way to capitalize on all this 'attention', however malignant, he may just find a way.
After a brief stint at a clinic to help him with is 'addiction', pick one (oh, you know that's coming),
expect to see a tell all book, or an interview with Dan Rather or Oprah, perhaps even a one on one with our own Glenn May . . .
Would anyone be surprised ?
????
A-Jay
A-Jay, sad but very true. This is what we do with guys like this. They become more famous as a liar or cheat, than ever before! Drop this bum like a hot potato, and dont give him any attention at all.
RB 77 reply :
I live and Bass fish in San Diego county and let me tell you the town is BUZZING about this right now. That article is an incredible piece of investigative journalism and a surreal expose piece with photographic and video evidence. Eye witness accounts the whole nine. It’s just insane!
geo g reply :
Very sad people can be this stupid. The push for the holy buck!
WRB reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 4:54 AM, RB 77 said:
Mike Hart?
Thanks, Mike Hart
getting old!
SmalliesNEyes reply :
Good to see a cheating loser go down in flames. ????
Darren. reply :
Wow. Just...wow. Watched the entire vid, now reading the article.
I've run into at least one guy in the tech world who is like Mike Long.
Lies, cheats, swindles way into deals with vaporous hardware/software
but made money hand-over-fist in the process, even coming across as
genuine...until caught and exposed. Many moons ago...
Kudos to the exposé all around. As the Muggles say, "truth will out"! 
Dorado reply :
Mike Long’s personality profile sounds like my EX-wife’s ????????. Truly, delusional........
12poundbass reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 3:31 AM, A-Jay said:If even bad press is good press, Mr Long is getting a bunch.
And being the opportunist, as he seems to be, if there is a way to capitalize on all this 'attention', however malignant, he may just find a way.
After a brief stint at a clinic to help him with is 'addiction', pick one (oh, you know that's coming),
expect to see a tell all book, or an interview with Dan Rather or Oprah, perhaps even a one on one with our own Glenn May . . .
Would anyone be surprised ?
????
A-Jay
I was thinking the same thing in regards to a tell all book.
On 6/26/2019 at 4:30 AM, Efishin said:Who was his rod sponsor he lost today? Was it just Dobyns?
I believe I read he and Dobyns parted ways a while back. The tweet I saw posted on another forum today the rod company started with an “A” (I think). Either way they tweeted that they had donated all of their Mike Long signature rods to a charity that gets kids fishing. ????
Glaucus reply :
They even added a treble hook to the photo. Savage.
Janderson45 reply :
Saw this news earlier this morning. Just sad to be honest. I don’t feel bad for Mike, seems like he got what was coming to him, especially after threatening a kid like that. Just a sad reveal for the sport in general, not sure what positive spin can really be put on it...
It’s too bad that money, fame and sponsorships get thrown into the equation and completely warp an individuals morality and sense of what it means to be a sportsman.
Hind sight is 20/20, but you have to wonder why Mike Long never had any legitimate cast to catch footage of a true lunker. The age of the go-pro should have called a lot of his dubious efforts into the lime light but somehow he evaded even that. If Matt Allen can produce numerous videos of cast to catch on 10+lb bass why couldn’t mike long? Really makes you wonder.
Anyways - I won’t be giving my Dobyns 784 mike long jig rod back any time soon. One of the absolute best in my arsenal. The guy may be a fraud but I assure you this rod is the furthest thing from it.
MN Fisher reply :
And the last 'domino' - his personal website has been 'down for scheduled maintenance' for the last 8 hours.
bassnet reply :
I used to think the guy was the man, but the poop stated hitting the fan for me when he got a 16 out of DVl, and the LMV stories. He's been off the radar for a few years, Kellen wrote a hell of an article to put the nail in the coffin- there's no book coming from Capt Redbeard.... Arghhhhh mateys
BigSkyBasser reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 12:11 PM, Janderson45 said:Saw this news earlier this morning. Just sad to be honest. I don’t feel bad for Mike, seems like he got what was coming to him, especially after threatening a kid like that. Just a sad reveal for the sport in general, not sure what positive spin can really be put on it...
It’s too bad that money, fame and sponsorships get thrown into the equation and completely warp an individuals morality and sense of what it means to be a sportsman.
Hind sight is 20/20, but you have to wonder why Mike Long never had any legitimate cast to catch footage of a true lunker. The age of the go-pro should have called a lot of his dubious efforts into the lime light but somehow he evaded even that. If Matt Allen can produce numerous videos of cast to catch on 10+lb bass why couldn’t mike long? Really makes you wonder.
Anyways - I won’t be giving my Dobyns 784 mike long jig rod back any time soon. One of the absolute best in my arsenal. The guy may be a fraud but I assure you this rod is the furthest thing from it.
Matt Allen is an amazing example (north cali or not) that trophy fisherman exist and can prove it legitimately. He will soon completely replace and eclipse Mike Long in the fishing industry. His and Tim's channel has already enlightened and inspired thousands!
Glaucus reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 1:46 PM, BigSkyBasser said:
Matt Allen is an amazing example (north cali or not) that trophy fisherman exist and can prove it legitimately. He will soon completely replace and eclipse Mike Long in the fishing industry. His and Tim's channel has already enlightened and inspired thousands!
They're so awesome and genuine. Their only fault is they "Stan" for Shimano and won't admit it, but that's really no problem at all. I enjoy watching and learning from them.
Bass Junke reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 4:45 AM, Drew03cmc said:His is THE world record to me. I'm sorry, the Perry fish is bulls. There is no info or anything. Thr "picture" can't be verified and it wouldn't even get laughed at before tossed in the trash today. Dottie passes all of the tests, but because of California's rule about being hooked outside the mouth, it was disallowed. I believe in that 25-01 more than 22-04.
Did you guys see the links below the article? One is a list of the top 25 bass of all time caught. That list has a few asterisks in it. Seems to me there should be a few more.
frogflogger reply :
Bed fishing those clear California lakes is an invitation to bad behavior - to protect those rare giants they should have a closed season - I know that is not a popular opinion but when guys line up waiting for a turn at a giant spawning the sport has left the building.
MrPeanut reply :
This whole story is crazy. Kudos again to the journalism in the article, that was one of the better written articles I've read in a long time with everything laid out clearly with back up evidence.
Reading stories of the dark side of people with fame and fortune always sucks. It puts such a bad taste in people's mouths about the sport in general.
On that note, it really does make you appreciate even more the true good people out there who have a celebrity like status and use it for good.
Porter Hall reply :
Mikes claim of catching 75 bass over 15 pounds has been a huge red flag for me.
That claim unrealistically exceeds the totals reported by proven big bass experts.
contium reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 7:54 PM, frogflogger said:Bed fishing those clear California lakes is an invitation to bad behavior - to protect those rare giants they should have a closed season - I know that is not a popular opinion but when guys line up waiting for a turn at a giant spawning the sport has left the building.
While I agree completely, the San Diego Lakes want big fish caught. That why Mike Long was given special permissions to fish closed lakes or fish after hours. Drums up business for the lakes.
WRB reply :
The angler that started video big bass catches was Butch Brown and he is beyond reproach, the gold standard of the video age.
Regarding bed fishing California's small clear water trophy bass lakes requires those local city lakes to establish off limits sanctuary zones and most of these lakes have those. San Diego city lakes are usually open 3 days a week, 1 mid week day and weekends and most public lakes are closed to night fishing.
Tom
BassThumb reply :
Amazing story. That article is so damning, it's unbelievable. I can't believe any reputable company would allow this guy to hitch his wagon to them.
Winning more than 50% of tournaments fishing solo and less than 25% with a skilled partner...????????????????????????????????????????????
Kinda wondering if those Dobyns Mike Long Jig Rods are going to be on sale soon. Namesake aside, those are sweet rods.
Team9nine reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 11:43 PM, Porter Hall said:Mikes claim of catching 75 bass over 15 pounds has been a huge red flag for me.
That claim unrealistically exceeds the totals reported by proven big bass experts.
Welcome to the forums, Porter! Glad you joined the conversation.
You’ve “been there, done that” so to speak. Hung around the great ones, Mike included, I believe.
What say you? Guilty as charged/accused based on the evidence presented? Seems some are still defending him, or at least questioning the accusations in the piece.
Heard from any of the other greats on the matter? Seems like this would be a black eye on all the record chasers to some degree. Hope we get to hear them all weigh in on the matter in time.
Porter Hall reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 12:55 AM, Team9nine said:Welcome to the forums, Porter! Glad you joined the conversation.
You’ve “been there, done that” so to speak. Hung around the great ones, Mike included, I believe.
What say you? Guilty as charged/accused based on the evidence presented? Seems some are still defending him, or at least questioning the accusations in the piece.
Heard from any of the other greats on the matter? Seems like this would be a black eye on all the record chasers to some degree. Hope we get to hear them all weigh in on the matter in time.
On 6/27/2019 at 12:55 AM, Team9nine said:Welcome to the forums, Porter! Glad you joined the conversation.
You’ve “been there, done that” so to speak. Hung around the great ones, Mike included, I believe.
What say you? Guilty as charged/accused based on the evidence presented? Seems some are still defending him, or at least questioning the accusations in the piece.
Heard from any of the other greats on the matter? Seems like this would be a black eye on all the record chasers to some degree. Hope we get to hear them all weigh in on the matter in time.
TnRiver46 reply :
If only the DNR and tournament directors cared as much as the guy that wrote the article......
Porter Hall reply :
The accusations are so wide ranging so I wouldn’t want to accept or reject as a whole. I really haven’t tournament fished so my understanding of how one would hide fish in the boat or tie them off is not something that I can grasp, though it seems that several people were willing to go on the record with observations that sound very suspicious.
i lived out there during much of the 90’s and had the pleasure of getting to know some top trophy anglers. I communicated fairly regularly with Bob Crupi, Dan Kadota, Harry Jioris and Allan Cole. I was hearing about Butch Brown’s and Tom Young’s great catches as well... I never heard any make claims of catching dozens of bass over 15 pounds so when I heard that claims that Mike had caught 75 or more of that size it just wasn’t credible.... much of what I am reading just reinforces my belief that there are major credibility problems.
Team9nine reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 1:37 AM, Porter Hall said:The accusations are so wide ranging so I wouldn’t want to accept or reject as a whole. I really haven’t tournament fished so my understanding of how one would hide fish in the boat or tie them off is not something that I can grasp, though it seems that several people were willing to go on the record with observations that sound very suspicious.
i lived out there during much of the 90’s and had the pleasure of getting to know some top trophy anglers. I communicated fairly regularly with Bob Crupi, Dan Kadota, Harry Jioris and Allan Cole. I was hearing about Butch Brown’s and Tom Young’s great catches as well... I never heard any make claims of catching dozens of bass over 15 pounds so when I heard that claims that Mike had caught 75 or more of that size it just wasn’t credible.... much of what I am reading just reinforces my belief that there are major credibility problems.
Thanks for your insight ???? Glad you dropped in, and hopefully we hear from a few more guys as this moves forward.
Take Care
blckshirt98 reply :
Can't do much about his earnings from tournaments and sponsors, but one thing I would like to see is having all of his big bass records removed from the books.
The Maestro reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 12:21 PM, soflabasser said:Cycling has many cheaters but not as many as bodybuilding (not a sport but they still abuse steroids), powerlifting, and weight lifting. I would say bodybuilding attracts the biggest cheaters I have met in my life. A man that has to take illegal performance enhancing drugs to compare or beat a natural athlete has no honor just like most bass fishermen agree illegally snagging a big bass deserves no recognition.
LOL!
Lol at thinking any man standing on a bodybuilding stage is natural. They're practically competitions in who's willing to push drug use the furthest.
geo g reply :
The whole thing is unnatural. Small lake compounds, stocked with Florida strain bass, spoon feed trout for years with no natural fear of bass as predators. Catch and release only, with limited restrictions on the lakes. Nothing about it natural as compared to other big bass bodies of water around the country. Just like the body builders on a stage pumped full of steroids. It's a shame any of these records stand as natural, they should all have asterisks next to them. Just like the Soviet Union in the Olympics during the cold war.
superkamikazee reply :
I think the BBRC handing out insane cash prizes for the largest bass caught probably started Mike Long's addiction to cheating. Once you throw that much money into the mix, this type of behavior has to be expected, but Mike Long pushed it to the limit. I'm glad he has been exposed, and in a way that's undisputable.
He was going to get caught regardless, or at least have the asterisks next to all his records. In today's age where most anglers have a GoPro taping cast to catches, and Mike Long literally has no video showing that, it's pretty clear he's no angler lol.
I drift my car at the track, and it's the same thing, it's easy to separate the good drivers from the bad drivers. The bad drivers only post photos of them driving, good drivers post in-car video of themselves driving. Lol
bhoff reply :
Just read the whole article, and wow. I'm a bit newer to the bass fishing scene so I never really knew much about him as a person but this is just lame. For those of you comparing him to Lance Armstrong, there is no comparison. Lance cheated during a time that it was the norm, it was either you did or you didn't race. The Armstrong organization has also raised millions for cancer survivors around the world. Mike Long wasn't even good at bass fishing to begin with.
zam reply :
I never heard of the guy until yesterday when someone posted the video on facebook, I don't think that video showed much, it almost looked like he was using one of those old Helicopter lures, I guess it could of been a treble hook but its hard to tell
OCdockskipper reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 3:36 AM, geo g said:The whole thing is unnatural. Small lake compounds, stocked with Florida strain bass, spoon feed trout for years with no natural fear of bass as predators. Catch and release only, with limited restrictions on the lakes. Nothing about it natural as compared to other big bass bodies of water around the country...
I kind of agree with the part about stocked trout, but the other items you mentioned are often part of the management programs on lakes throughout the South. Texas, Tennessee and other states have introduced Florida strain, many places have slot limits, so all have altered the landscape for big bass.
The main reason the biggest bass show up in Southern California is the climate. We are warm without the extremes of Texas & the South. A more temperate environment lends itself to lower stress and longer lives for the fish, whose metabolism is always eating without getting burned up by 90 degree water temps or stopped in its tracks by snow.
As for the trout, we really don't have much other forage for big bass here other than bluegill and crayfish. Southern bass feast on shad, both threadfin & gizzards, most So Cal fisheries don't have those baitfish. I'd say trout for shad is a fair trade, although you get more 5 to 10 lb fish with shad and more 15 lb plus with trout.
soflabasser reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 2:56 AM, The Maestro said:Lol at thinking any man standing on a bodybuilding stage is natural. They're practically competitions in who's willing to push drug use the furthest.
There are many lifetime natural bodybuilders but they are overshadowed by the steroid abusers. A FFMI of 22-25 is achievable naturally by someone with good genetics that knows how to workout and puts in the time needed. Even those with bad muscle building genetics can achieve a respectable physique if they are willing to put in the time for +10 years. Sadly steroid abuse is extremely common these days since most people want instant results and will gladly cheat.
On 6/27/2019 at 4:11 AM, superkamikazee said:I drift my car at the track, and it's the same thing, it's easy to separate the good drivers from the bad drivers. The bad drivers only post photos of them driving, good drivers post in-car video of themselves driving. Lol
Reminds me of the instaposers who post pics of themselves but not pics of them lifting heavy weights. All show but no real strength for such big muscles.
The Maestro reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 5:49 AM, soflabasser said:There are many lifetime natural bodybuilders but they are overshadowed by the steroid abusers. A FFMI of 22-25 is achievable naturally by someone with good genetics that knows who to workout. Even those with bad muscle building genetics can achieve a respectable physique if they are willing to put in the time for +10 years. Sadly steroid abuse is extremely common these days since most people want instant results and will gladly cheat.
We might be talking about 2 different things here. Lifetime natural bodybuilder is one thing. Most of those guys don't bother competing or if they do it's in tested shows and even those are suspect. If you're talking about pro bodybuilding (IFBB) then there are exactly ZERO natural IFBB pros, men or women.
soflabasser reply :
A lot of places do not allow bed fishing and it is easy to see why. Bass are much easier to catch off a bed compared to non spawning bass.
Bankbeater reply :
I just finished the article. It seems like one of the factors that kept this going was that even though there were signs that something was going on no one wanted, or cared, to believe it for a long time.
soflabasser reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 7:54 PM, frogflogger said:Bed fishing those clear California lakes is an invitation to bad behavior - to protect those rare giants they should have a closed season - I know that is not a popular opinion but when guys line up waiting for a turn at a giant spawning the sport has left the building.
I agree with you 100%. Not many people would agree but most would agree that bass are most vulnerable to being caught when spawning. For a lot of people it is the only way they can catch a bass over 8 pounds.
WRB reply :
This always get my ire when someone who has never fished Calfornia lake makes statements regarding fat trout fed bass.
SoCal lakes are small compared to large Midwest and southern impoundments and are very deep water storage facilities not well suited for largemouth bass to survive.
Consider the are stocked 1 time as wild fingerlings into a wild eccosystem with lots of predator fish, birds, animals and man to aviod to grow to juvenile size. This isn't a aquarium environment nor are the bass managed beside state fishing regulations with 5 bass 12" minimum length daily creel limit.
Rainbow trout are (were) stocked weekly during winter cold water months by the DFW for catch and keep by licensed anglers, not as bass food. The trout prefer 60 degree or colder water, the bass preferring water over 70 degrees, both species occupy different depth zones during the summer warm water periods, trout deeper and bass shallower.
Consider only the adult size bass 4 lbs+ can hunt catch and eat a 8" trout, when trout get over 12" they only hunted by the few biggest bass in the lake.
I don't know of a public SoCal lake that doesn't have Threadfin Shad, bluegill and crappie populations that bass use as prey sources.
Catch and release isn't a regulation it's an option for anglers who want to release bass, it's illegal to catch and release trout, they must be kept in most SoCal lakes, streams it's optional.
Thousands of out of state bass angler come to California to catch bass, very few big bass are caught by visiting anglers unless hiring a local guide, they are not easy to catch.
Back on topic, I can only speculate Mike Long pouched big bass at night when the lakes were closed to fishing, few if any witnesses can vouch for any of his giant bass catches.
We had the $1,000,000 reward period in the early 90's for anyone catching a world record bass. During that time period there were hundreds of anglers breaking every regulation every day trying to catch giant bass in our small reserviors. At least Mike Long was a loner during the last decade.
Mike long has been convicted in the court of public opinion and as a result he lost all credibility. I can't see how Long can be convicted of cheating in tournaments after the fact or collecting money from a bankrupt program that no longer exists.
Tom
Mr. Bassin II reply :
On 6/25/2019 at 9:41 AM, Stephen B said:Sad to see that some people think that cheating, lying, and deception will continue and never be found. Sad as it makes you think that how many records out there are fictitious. Which are truly real?
That behavior displayed by Long not only discredits his body of work but also makes Dobyns look bad and any other business he was associated with. Ultimately, all ethical fisherman pay for his behavior as he stole from them and deceived the public.
Just wait, the lawsuits are about to start flying as these companies and sponsors were defrauded too. They will not take the damages from their association with this fraud lightly.
One thing that was not mentioned, probably because of lack of physical evidence, is that tournament winnings by cheating is an act of theft.
Darren. reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 1:51 AM, Team9nine said:Thanks for your insight ???? Glad you dropped in, and hopefully we hear from a few more guys as this moves forward.
Take Care
Be nice if @Fish Chris were still around to give us his perspective, as well.
Porter Hall reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 6:24 AM, WRB said:This always get my ire when someone who has never fished Calfornia lake makes statements regarding fat trout fed bass.
SoCal lakes are small compared to large Midwest and southern impoundments and are very deep water storage facilities not well suited for largemouth bass to survive.
Consider the are stocked 1 time as wild fingerlings into a wild eccosystem with lots of predator fish, birds, animals and man to aviod to grow to juvenile size. This isn't a aquarium environment nor are the bass managed beside state fishing regulations with 5 bass 12" minimum length daily creel limit.
Rainbow trout are (were) stocked weekly during winter cold water months by the DFW for catch and keep by licensed anglers, not as bass food. The trout prefer 60 degree or colder water, the preferring water over 70 degrees, both species occupy different depth zones during the summer warm water periods, trout deep and bass shallower.
Consider only the adult size bass overc4 lbs can hunt catch and eat a 8" trout, when trout get over 12" they only hunted by the few biggest bass in the lake.
I don't know of a public SoCal lake that doesn't have Threadfin Shad, bluegill and crappie populations that bass use as prey sources.
Catch and release isn't a regulation it's an option for anglers who want to release bass, it's illegal to catch and release trout, they must be kept in most SoCal lakes, streams it's optional.
Thousands of out of state bass angler come to California to catch bass, very few big bass are caught by visiting anglers unless hiring a local guide, they are not easy to catch.
Back on topic, I can only speculate Mike Long pouched big bass at night when the lakes were closed to fishing, few if any witnesses can vouch for any of his giant bass catches.
We had the $1,000,000 reward period in the early 90's for anyone catching a world record bass. During that time period there were hundreds of anglers breaking every regulation every day trying to catch giant bass in our small reserviors. At least Mike Long was a loner during the last decade.
Mike long has been convicted in the court of public opinion and as a result he lost all credibility. I can't see how Long can be convicted of cheating in tournaments after the fact or collecting money from a bankrupt program that no longer exists.
Tom
The trout are an undeniable factor in the growth of giant bass in California
jbsoonerfan reply :
Maybe those body builders are on a strict diet of trout, makes you wonder.
WRB reply :
Trout are a high protein baitfish for large size bass to gain additional weight, the bass don't get big early in life eating trout, they need a baitfish they can eat like Threadfin Shad. Could make the argument that Golden Shiners native in Florida bass water are very similar forage base to trout.
I am not arguing that trout and other large size baitfish don't promote big bass growth. Casitas is a hallmark case, trout plants stopped abruptly and the giant bass population crashed.
On the opposite end is lake Hodges produced several giant bass up to a 20.4 lb giant without any trout for prey.
You can't deny Florida strain genetics and ideal climate for growth potential.
Peace,
Tom
Glenn reply :
Tangent airlines is taxiing it's way towards the runway....
Stephen B reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 6:26 AM, Mr. Bassin II said:Just wait, the lawsuits are about to start flying as these companies and sponsors were defrauded too. They will not take the damages from their association with this fraud lightly.
One thing that was not mentioned, probably because of lack of physical evidence, is that tournament winnings by cheating is an act of theft.
Very true!
superkamikazee reply :
Not to sidetrack the trout debate, but this level of cheating, and blatant disregard for fish well being is seriously going to damage bass tournament fishing. For me personally, kind of wouldn't mind if bass tournament fishing scaled back a lot. Big cash prizes, and big sponsorship money on the line will always promote this type of behavior, it's that simple. Where there's big money to be made, someone will find a way to cheat the system, the fish and honest anglers will pay the price.
Brew City Bass reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 5:58 AM, Bankbeater said:I just finished the article. It seems like one of the factors that kept this going was that even though there were signs that something was going on no one wanted, or cared, to believe it for a long time.
I think anyone who suspected him as a cheat cared, but were smart enough to not come out swinging without hard proof.
I mean, seeing it happen is one thing, but you can't just tell people what you saw and expect that to be proof. And like Kevin said, it's a legend's word vs some guys. People will side with him easily if there's no proof.
STBen1215 reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 7:54 AM, superkamikazee said:Not to sidetrack the trout debate, but this level of cheating, and blatant disregard for fish well being is seriously going to damage bass tournament fishing. For me personally, kind of wouldn't mind if bass tournament fishing scaled back a lot. Big cash prizes, and big sponsorship money on the line will always promote this type of behavior, it's that simple. Where there's big money to be made, someone will find a way to cheat the system, the fish and honest anglers will pay the price.
Very well said. Tournament fishing is very tough on the lake, fisherman, and most of all on the fish. A major BFL or other tournament trail tournaments results in many hundreds of quality fish killed. Plus, the point of fishing as a joyous sport for enjoyment and competition has come to the point of cheating for money. It's sad to see.
Especially trophy fish being snagged.....
Glaucus reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 7:54 AM, superkamikazee said:Not to sidetrack the trout debate, but this level of cheating, and blatant disregard for fish well being is seriously going to damage bass tournament fishing. For me personally, kind of wouldn't mind if bass tournament fishing scaled back a lot. Big cash prizes, and big sponsorship money on the line will always promote this type of behavior, it's that simple. Where there's big money to be made, someone will find a way to cheat the system, the fish and honest anglers will pay the price.
I don't expect this to impact anyone outside of SoCal and it probably won't even impact them in any practical sense.
OCdockskipper reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 7:12 AM, WRB said:...You can't deny Florida strain genetics and ideal climate for growth potential.
Peace,
Tom
Exactly. Florida strain & SoCal climate = some extremely large bass. Not as many 8 - 10 lb bass as in Florida or Texas, but what seems to be the highest top end potential. Dottie was 15% larger than any other LMB ever caught and of the 13 LMB over 20 lbs ever caught, 10 came from SoCal
Tom, I miswrote when I mentioned Thread fin shad, you are correct. I was thinking of Golden Shiners, basically Florida's version of an 8" trout.
12poundbass reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 8:59 AM, STBen1215 said:Very well said. Tournament fishing is very tough on the lake, fisherman, and most of all on the fish. A major BFL or other tournament trail tournaments results in many hundreds of quality fish killed. Plus, the point of fishing as a joyous sport for enjoyment and competition has come to the point of cheating for money. It's sad to see.
Especially trophy fish being snagged.....
What we must keep in mind through all of this is although this is huge news in our community he is a tiny minority here. Fish care and catch and release has never been higher and so much so it’s probably hindered some lakes. We hear all the time on here (myself included) we never keep bass and hate to see them die or someone keep them. Reality is it needs to happen. I’m not down playing what he did one bit, it’s disgusting and makes us look bad but outside of our community it’s on nobody’s radar, so the bass fishing community isn’t doomed and will continue to thrive.
On that note I must agree that the bigger purses and the potential for big sponsorship money and YouTube coin it’s not surprising this has happened. Unfortunately it’s human nature, more more more. We’ve seen it in almost every major sport, do anything at all cost to win. Sad but true. We as a community must stick together and ride this storm out!
Porter Hall reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 9:43 AM, 12poundbass said:What we must keep in mind through all of this is although this is huge news in our community he is a tiny minority here. Fish care and catch and release has never been higher and so much so it’s probably hindered some lakes. We hear all the time on here (myself included) we never keep bass and hate to see them die or someone keep them. Reality is it needs to happen. I’m not down playing what he did one bit, it’s disgusting and makes us look bad but outside of our community it’s on nobody’s radar, so the bass fishing community isn’t doomed and will continue to thrive.
On that note I must agree that the bigger purses and the potential for big sponsorship money and YouTube coin it’s not surprising this has happened. Unfortunately it’s human nature, more more more. We’ve seen it in almost every major sport, do anything at all cost to win. Sad but true. We as a community must stick together and ride this storm out!
WRB reply :
As Glenn pointed out we veered off course. Mike Long didn't have any impact on competitive tournament bass fishing that uses Ray Scotts blind draw formate. Ray Scott realized human nature to cheat when money was the prize. Blind draw worked to make tournament bass fishing what it is today. Now we have single participant events with marshals or camera crews, very difficult to cheat.
What Mike Long did is take advantage of trophy bass fishing by falsely claiming catches and put his name on products as a result. Monte Burke, author of Sow Belly, told me the trophy bass fishing market is too small to publish another book and make any money and I agree. Mike Long story is interesting but only a small blip on the screen of bass fishing.
Tom
J Francho reply :
I think the really disturbing part is bringing fish to different lakes to fake a record. That takes cajones. I get lying about where you caught a pig to keep people off the scent, but that’s really bad. Never fished a lake and pull a teener out of it? Then pull that in tx? Sheesh.
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 12:53 PM, J Francho said:I think the really disturbing part is bringing fish to different lakes to fake a record. That takes cajones. I get lying about where you caught a pig to keep people off the scent, but that’s really bad. Never fished a lake and pull a teener out of it? Then pull that in tx? Sheesh.
Exactly, something like that would have never even entered my mind.
Glaucus reply :
Mike Long isn't alone in his thinking. I have an acquaintance who is a casual fisherman I run into once in awhile at a certain pond. He was telling me about bluegills and crappie he keeps and that he feeds well and that they're getting massive. Then he said he could grow a record, bring it to the pond, put a hook in it's mouth, throw it out, and pretend he caught it. This was in late spring before this all exploded.
Nothing like that would ever cross my mind.
Brew City Bass reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 1:16 PM, Glaucus said:Mike Long isn't alone in his thinking. I have an acquaintance who is a casual fisherman I run into once in awhile at a certain pond. He was telling me about bluegills and crappie he keeps and that he feeds well and that they're getting massive. Then he said he could grow a record, bring it to the pond, put a hook in it's mouth, throw it out, and pretend he caught it. This was in late spring before this all exploded.
Nothing like that would ever cross my mind.
Yeah, I agree. I personally have never once had a thought of poaching or snagging fish to get ahead in the fishing scene. It always seemed ridiculous anyone would try.
deaknh03 reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 6:29 AM, Darren. said:Be nice if @Fish Chris were still around to give us his perspective, as well.
I was thinking the same thing. Hes big into photography these days, his fishing days are in the past.
813basstard reply :
It went on so long due to his ‘legend’ status.
Almost exactly like coach Sandusky at Penn State but far less sinister.
Dusky literally wrote the book on linebacker play. As in he actually has books written by him, so it went on for so long because everyone was like “coach dusky?, nah ain’t nothing going on..”
When obviously there was.
They won some substantial $ out there in those tournaments. I was thinking 800-900 per win...negative
BassNJake reply :
With the higher quality electronics we have now, this could extend well past the spawn.
I have sat over a schools of deep bass and smashed them by snapping a spoon.
Some do get hooked in the side when doing this.
Chris Zaldain was just using this technique at Guntersville last week.
J Francho reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 9:48 PM, BassNJake said:I have sat over a schools of deep bass and smashed them by snapping a spoon.
Some do get hooked in the side when doing this.
It happens using Hopkins Shorty spoons, jigging for deep smallies, too. They usually take it on the drop, but every once in a while, snag one on the lift. I think NY is a "in the mouth" state, but that might only be trout. Not sure. I don't keep bass or catch records, so it matters little.
Darren. reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 9:17 PM, deaknh03 said:I was thinking the same thing. Hes big into photography these days, his fishing days are in the past.
Sadly so. Last I looked him up he was doing car stereo stuff.
The Maestro reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 9:48 PM, BassNJake said:With the higher quality electronics we have now, this could extend well past the spawn.
I have sat over a schools of deep bass and smashed them by snapping a spoon.
Some do get hooked in the side when doing this.
Chris Zaldain was just using this technique at Guntersville last week.
The difference is that you can't snag deep bass intentionally.
J Francho reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 11:08 PM, The Maestro said:The difference is that you can't snag deep bass intentionally.
I think his point was that someone could intentionally snag fish this way. I can see my spoon, and the fish's proximity on even a simple 2D sonor. Imagine what you might be able to do with some of the latest tech.
The Maestro reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 11:26 PM, J Francho said:I think his point was that someone could intentionally snag fish this way. I can see my spoon, and the fish's proximity on even a simple 2D sonor. Imagine what you might be able to do with some of the latest tech.
It's possible I guess. I still say it would be extremely difficult to do with sonar. The fish might look like it's right below you on the screen but in reality it could be anywhere in the cone. Maybe slightly more possible if you were using an underwater camera. And then how desperate to catch a bass would a guy have to be to resort to trying this? I suppose a big money tournament might be enough motivation for some.
anderb54 reply :
Might have to snag... I mean, buy, one of his rods when they go on clearance.
J Francho reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 1:15 AM, The Maestro said:It's possible I guess. I still say it would be extremely difficult to do with sonar. The fish might look like it's right below you on the screen but in reality it could be anywhere in the cone. Maybe slightly more possible if you were using an underwater camera. And then how desperate to catch a bass would a guy have to be to resort to trying this? I suppose a big money tournament might be enough motivation for some.
Dude, I literally watch bass approach my drop shot bait, and take it on 2D. With new 3D, 360, Live Vision, Panoptix and what not, it's totally do-able.
The Maestro reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 1:46 AM, J Francho said:Dude, I literally watch bass approach my drop shot bait, and take it on 2D. With new 3D, 360, Live Vision, Panoptix and what not, it's totally do-able.
When you're watching a fish approach your bait on the screen there's no way of knowing from which direction it came. That's the difference between a fish (that appears to be directly under the boat) coming over to check out your bait and the precision you would need to put a hook basically right beside a fish (without spooking it) and snagging it. Short of using your eyes I'm going to say this would be approaching near impossibility to do with any type of sonar because they all work the same and the deeper the water the bigger the footprint of the solar beam/cone
J Francho reply :
You realize he used a weighted treble hook on a drop shot rig. How is it any different than what I'm describing? Never mind, don't answer that. It's totally impossible. What was I thinking. ????
TnRiver46 reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 1:46 AM, J Francho said:Dude, I literally watch bass approach my drop shot bait, and take it on 2D. With new 3D, 360, Live Vision, Panoptix and what not, it's totally do-able.
That's beyond Mike Long's skill set though
The Maestro reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 1:58 AM, J Francho said:You realize he used a weighted treble hook on a drop shot rig. How is it any different than what I'm describing? Never mind, don't answer that. It's totally impossible. What was I thinking. ????
Was he using his eyes or his electronics to do this? From what I can tell he was targeting fish he could actually see with his eyes as he was looking into the water and not at a screen. If you can't understand that there's a massive difference between these two methods than I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we have a different understanding of the principles behind how sonar actually works and why what you see on your (2D) screen isn't an exact representation of the 3D world underwater.
WRB reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 1:59 AM, TnRiver46 said:That's beyond Mike Long's skill set though
The ML Snagger Spl 9" flutter spoon with 5 trebles at your poacher shop soon.
Tom
12poundbass reply :
Treble hooks are now sold out at Tackle Warehouse and $15 apiece wherever you can find them!
J Francho reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 2:11 AM, The Maestro said:Was he using his eyes or his electronics to do this? From what I can tell he was targeting fish he could actually see with his eyes as he was looking into the water and not at a screen. If you can't understand that there's a massive difference between these two methods than I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we have a different understanding of the principles behind how sonar actually works and why what you see on your (2D) screen isn't an exact representation of the 3D world underwater.
I know how sonar works. Thanks. I use it all the time to catch smallies in 30ish feet of water. It's not unreasonable that someone might try, and actually succeed. Here's a good diagram. The cones aren't huge as you think. Never mind forward looking Panoptix.
The Maestro reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 2:44 AM, J Francho said:I know how sonar works. Thanks. I use it all the time to catch smallies in 30ish feet of water. It's not unreasonable that someone might try, and actually succeed. Here's a good diagram. The cones aren't huge as you think. Never mind forward looking Panoptix.
Cool. If you find proof of someone pulling this off, I'd love to see it.
J Francho reply :
Dude, we were speculating as to how someone MIGHT try it. Then you come along and ask for proof. Really? I'm dropping it and bringing it back ML discussion. So you think snagging records is cool or not?
The Maestro reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 2:48 AM, J Francho said:Dude, we were speculating as to how someone MIGHT try it. Then you come along and ask for proof. Really? I'm dropping it and bringing it back ML discussion. So you think snagging records is cool or not?
Show me where I said snagging fish is ok?
J Francho reply :
So that would be a no. Cool. Conversating has begun, and we agree on the snagging thing.
WRB reply :
The plane has taken off!
Everything displayed on your sonar screen is history, not real time when you boat is moving. Makes it a lot easier to locate fish/bait but your not sitting on top of the targets unless looking at the right edge of the real time returns. Bass, especially big bass are not stationary like catfish they move...hopefully towards your lure!
That's a really good illustration of sonar signal shape pattern and helps to understand how the newer sonar works.
Tom
The Maestro reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 2:54 AM, WRB said:The plane has taken off!
Everything displayed on your sonar screen is history, not real time when you boat is moving. Makes it a lot easier to locate fish/bait but your not sitting on top of the targets unless looking at the right edge of the real time returns. Bass, especially big bass are not stationary like catfish they move...hopefully towards your lure!
That's a really good illustration of sonar signal shape pattern and helps to understand how the newer sonar works.
Tom
Even the real-time returns don't necessarily mean the fish is DIRECTLY under you. It only means the fish is SOMEWHERE within the footprint of the sonar's beam/cone and the deeper you go the bigger that footprint gets.
Choporoz reply :
and you thought you got the wheel out of the ditch, @J Francho...lol
Team9nine reply :
And now for something completely different...
J Francho reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 3:05 AM, Choporoz said:and you thought you got the wheel out of the ditch, @J Francho...lol
It doesn't really matter, we're splitting hairs over a couple of feet. There's even measurements on the screen in live time. It isn't nearly as blind snagging as you'd think. I see what they're saying, but someone could easily use the tech to use a cast net if they wanted. The over arching theme is that his cheating evolved over time. As safeguards were put in place, he figured out other ways to cheat.
Glaucus reply :
J Francho reply :
That dude really loves popcorn.
The Maestro reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 3:14 AM, Glaucus said:
I'm borrowing this.
Efishin reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 1:46 AM, J Francho said:Dude, I literally watch bass approach my drop shot bait, and take it on 2D. With new 3D, 360, Live Vision, Panoptix and what not, it's totally do-able.
Same!
Darren. reply :
Found this "alleged" new bait Mike Long was planning on introducing at ICAST this summer at another bass forum on the interwebs...
Hook2Jaw reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 4:19 AM, Darren. said:Found this "alleged" new bait Mike Long was planning on introducing at ICAST this summer at another bass forum on the interwebs...
How'd I know he was gonna put it out there with those trebles? Those are gonna bend out in no time.
I'm sick of upgrading stock hooks.
RichF reply :
I was wondering why all the Mike Long topics were popping up on the site. That article is absolutely crazy. It blows my mind that he got away with that stuff for so long.
GeekFisher reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 4:33 AM, Hook2Jaw said:How'd I know he was gonna put it out there with those trebles? Those are gonna bend out in no time.
I'm sick of upgrading stock hooks.
I swap mine to inline single hooks ! Guess I don't have the snagger mind ????
12poundbass reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 3:08 AM, Team9nine said:And now for something completely different...
It’s official you’ve won the internet for the day! Well done! ????
soflabasser reply :
On 6/28/2019 at 4:19 AM, Darren. said:Found this "alleged" new bait Mike Long was planning on introducing at ICAST this summer at another bass forum on the interwebs...
I saw this on another forum as well. Sink rate is 1400fps. Act now and get the limited edition autographed by the snagmaster himself! LOL
contium reply :
On 6/27/2019 at 2:32 AM, blckshirt98 said:Can't do much about his earnings from tournaments and sponsors, but one thing I would like to see is having all of his big bass records removed from the books.
Diamond Valley Lake removed his claimed lake record.
Harold Scoggins reply :
I heard he took a new job with Liberty Mutual.
TnRiver46 reply :
On 6/29/2019 at 8:05 AM, Harold Scoggins said:I heard he took a new job with Liberty Mutual.
I love that commercial!!! It’s so funny when he bails over that fence!
13 pounder reply :
I have Fished many local tournaments against mr long
so many times it seemed odd
there was the time at San V
a night tournament
long fished for a couple hours
weighed in early With his 3 bass limit of 24 pounds
or it was brutal finishing second behind him at otay with just one tenth of a pound difference
NorthernBasser reply :
For anyone who hasn't seen this video. This is absolutely amazing, and beyond despicable. What a POS.
WRB reply :
The vedio is all over this thread.
Tom
NorthernBasser reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 9:09 AM, WRB said:The vedio is all over this thread.
Tom
Which pages? I read every page and didn't see it once.
WRB reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 9:16 AM, NorthernBasser said:Which pages? I read every page and didn't see it once.
The vedio is part of Kellen Ellis 9 page article The Dark Secret of America's Big Bass Guru, the original thread was taken down.
Tom
NorthernBasser reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 9:20 AM, WRB said:The vedio is part of Kellen Ellis 9 page article The Dark Secret of America's Big Bass Guru, the original thread was taken down.
Tom
Ok, good, so it's not all over this thread. Thought I was going crazy or something.
A-Jay reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 9:31 AM, NorthernBasser said:Ok, good, so it's not all over this thread. Thought I was going crazy or something.
pm sent
A-Jay
WRB reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 9:31 AM, NorthernBasser said:Ok, good, so it's not all over this thread. Thought I was going crazy or something.
I forgot starting this thread after the initial post referenced another site forum.
The article referenced is more damming and includes the vedio, a must read!
Tom
jbsoonerfan reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 8:18 AM, NorthernBasser said:For anyone who hasn't seen this video. This is absolutely amazing, and beyond despicable. What a POS.
Thanks, I had yet to see it because it isn't all over this thread. Appreciate it!
Catt reply :
On 6/30/2019 at 11:45 AM, jbsoonerfan said:Thanks, I had yet to see it because it isn't all over this thread. Appreciate it!
It's all over YouTube
As far as I'm concerned that video is all the evidence I need to convict on all accounts.
jbsoonerfan reply :
This forum, ebay and yahoo is about the extent of my internet surfing lol
clark9312 reply :
Who is the guy that wrote that 9 page article?
D.W. Verts reply :
Have ya'll ever heard of Randy Mosley? The B.A.S.S. "Mosley Rule"?
bowhunter63 reply :
Threatening a 13 year old is inexcusable, He needs a bed out in trembling acres. The dude is nuts
Yeajray231 reply :
Truly interesting read. Crazy to me that he knew they were on to him and continued to cheat with other people in the boat, going as far as tying fish up at tournament lakes when officials were checking the boats. Snagging in front of a new partner. The rock formations left when the lake was drawn down with the "snow bass" . Just crazy.
The author of the article really had his ducks in a row.
Blows my mind. Sad but not really surprising. What is surprising however is how long he was able to get away with it.
You know cheating goes on in almost every form of competition. How discouraging.
jimmyjoe reply :
What did Hemingway say?
There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.”
jj
gypsyking reply :
Needs a treble in his side
Tony johnson reply :
On 6/26/2019 at 12:08 AM, WRB said:After reading the 9 page article documenting Long's record of cheating it's amazing this story didn't go public years ago.
John Kerr gave Mike Long credibility by association and that must haunt John who is without doubt one of the top bass anglers and a good honest man.
I have only talked to Mike Long twice for a few minutes at Anglers Bass A Thon events and he seemed friendly but always in a hurry to hustle vendors for lures. I just never gave Mike much thought, he was a loner never joined in group chatter for lunch.
Bill Murphy apparently saw through the facade and was spot on about Mike being bad for bass fishing.
Tom
yes in a way it does haunt john.... i became good friends with john around 2012 and even then he was leading away from mike and even didnt like talking about him.. John is a amazing angler and everything kellen said about how john said mike couldnt cast a baitcaster and john carried the weight in the tournaments is true... John was winning tournaments after mike with his 13 yr old son working full time and no pre-fish...
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