Swimbait Knot 2024
KritterGitter reply :
When using the larger swimbaits 2oz+ what is the best knot to use for mono, floro and braid? Also do you guys use snaps or swivels instead of directly tying them on? Id hate to lose a pricey bait just because of a simple error like that. I ask for all three because I haven't decided on which line Ill use yet, any input on that will be helpful to.
Thanks
camo reply :
I only trust the Palomar knot when throwing baits that cost 200+. Look around on swimbait underground and you will find the same answers
MarkH024 reply :
I use a palomar for braid, SD Jam on Fluoro. I don't use mono. I will add that since I fish waters with pike, and many of them, I always fish either a heavy fluoro leader or sometimes titanium leaders.
camo reply :
Also if your bank fishing big baits there is going to be some point in time when you are going to get wet and go swimming. Not trying to scare you its just the name of the game unless you are cool with loosing a deps here and there. I've been fishing a deps got hung up it was late in the evening cut my line tied it off under the dock so I could come back first thing in the morning to rent a boat and go get my deps back lol. The idiotic things I do for swimbait fishing.
CarolinaBoy4Life reply :
I use P-Line CXX for my bigbaits and I use a Palomar knot. Since I have first started fishing big baits I have tied line direct to bait. But at the advice and opinion of some big bait guy's who have the fish to show for it I am going to start using swivels.
J Francho reply :
I use a Palomar to #3 or #4 snap. Direct, either a Uni or Improved Clinch. No issues with 20/25# CXX.
hatrix reply :
Sandiego Jam or Uni. I think palomar is probably the least used. Duo locks are also fine to use if you want.
basshole8190 reply :
Improved clinch with 10 wraps. Never failed me and I can tie it blind folded in the dark!
BasshunterJGH reply :
On 11/14/2014 at 5:38 AM, MarkH024 said:I use a palomar for braid, SD Jam on Fluoro. I don't use mono.
X2.
WRB reply :
Palomar knot is difficult to tie on large size lures, you need a big loop to put the lure through. If you use a snap like Berkley Cross Lock size 6 or 9, then a Palomar knot is OK for mono. The San Diego jam knot is good for FC and mono line and the braid knot for braid.
I use mono, 25 lb Big Game or Sunline Defier, with SD jam knot, tied direct onto the lure.
Tom
camo reply :
WRB knows what he's talking about except 25lb izor for me
BasshunterJGH reply :
On 11/14/2014 at 7:29 AM, WRB said:I use mono, 25 lb Big Game or Sunline Defier, with SD jam knot, tied direct onto the lure.
Tom
Where do you get 25 lb defier? I can't find it on tackle warehouse. Defier is a little out of my price range for mono but I'd like to try it.
WRB reply :
TW has it! 165 yd spool of 25 lb is $18On 11/14/2014 at 7:55 AM, BasshunterJGH said:Where do you get 25 lb defier? I can't find it on tackle warehouse. Defier is a little out of my price range for mono but I'd like to try it.
camo reply :
On 11/14/2014 at 7:55 AM, BasshunterJGH said:Where do you get 25 lb defier? I can't find it on tackle warehouse. Defier is a little out of my price range for mono but I'd like to try it.
Its listed under defier armilo
BasshunterJGH reply :
Thanks guys. Ill check it out. I was thinking shooter defier.
Inflatable Raft Bum reply :
Palomar for everything, "Palomar Nation"!!
KritterGitter reply :
Awesome thanks for all the replies! Def very helpful.
On 11/14/2014 at 6:04 AM, J Francho said:I use a Palomar to #3 or #4 snap. Direct, either a Uni or Improved Clinch. No issues with 20/25# CXX.
Ive seen a few guys post this, I see WRB suggested the snaps but only ties direct. Are there situations where one is better over the other or just a convenience thing?
basshole8190 reply :
Snaps can limit or increase action on big baits. Depending on what the fish want I may tie to snap or split ring or I may tie direct.
KritterGitter reply :
Cool, got it. Thanks again guys. Hopefully Ill have a report soon on how i make out!
einscodek reply :
Ive used the Grigsby knot or Jimmy Houston knot or whoever else wants to claim its theirs.. with no knot failure.. but I always use a drop of superglue on it as well.
Inflatable Raft Bum reply :
Doesnt superglue alter the integrity of the line?
(A good properly selected knot should need no aid/ glue)
everythingthatswims reply :
I use the improved clinch. 20lb suffix siege on baits up to 4.5oz...No issues thus far, I just take extra care that the knot cinches down perfectly and I wet the knot as well. SD Jam seems to be very popular among the swimbait community
Inflatable Raft Bum reply :
On 11/15/2014 at 7:38 AM, everythingthatswims said:I use the improved clinch. 20lb suffix siege on baits up to 4.5oz...No issues thus far, I just take extra care that the knot cinches down perfectly and I wet the knot as well. SD Jam seems to be very popular among the swimbait community
I can honestly say without reservation, YOUR USING A KNOWN INFERIOR KNOT, (and i can say that as someone who formerly fished that turd of a knot)
Sorry, dont hate me, LOL
deep reply :
Could someone explain why swimbaits need a special knot?
No snaps or swivels, I tie direct. If the bait comes with a split ring, I tie to that. If it doesn't come with one, well, I don't use a split ring then!
everythingthatswims reply :
On 11/15/2014 at 7:42 AM, Intex Raft Bum said:I can honestly say without reservation, YOUR USING A KNOWN INFERIOR KNOT, (and i can say that as someone who formerly fished that turd of a knot)
Sorry, dont hate me, LOL
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and I have caught thousands and thousands of fish on it, using anything from 2lb test for trout up to 100lb on leaders for Amberjack. The only time I use a different knot is when I tie with braid (palomar). If my results change, I will change knots
SirSnookalot reply :
I don't treat heavier lures any different than a lighter ones, loopknot for me. I have used duolocks in the past without incident, don't think they inhibit lure movement. I see people all the time using the cheapest of snap swivels without incident as well. I prefer a clean set up without any extra hardware although I'm not convinced I catch any more fish than others doing differently. I'm using 20# braid with 30# leader, I do not care to use wire.
Fishing both saltwater and freshwater everyday one thing I know for sure, whatever the knot of choice is tie it correctly. I keep my knots real simple, they all work fine.
hatrix reply :
On 11/15/2014 at 7:52 AM, deep said:Could someone explain why swimbaits need a special knot?
No snaps or swivels, I tie direct. If the bait comes with a split ring, I tie to that. If it doesn't come with one, well, I don't use a split ring then!
Not every knot is ideal for heavier line. Some knots like a SDJ are actually designed I guess you can say for heavier line.
WRB reply :
The reason I don't use FC line is it weakens under casting stress, both the knots and main line and is expensive to change out after a days fishing. Don't like braid for casting heavy swimbaits. What works is mono and the less expensive mono's are also large diameter compared to premium small diameter mono. You can either use and change the less expense line often or invest in small diameter premium mono like Defier and go up in lb test for a safe margin and change it less often....no panacea's.
Tie whatever knot you feel gives 100% knot strength and use 25 lb test line for the heavier expense lures.
Tom
einscodek reply :
On 11/16/2014 at 1:42 AM, hatrix said:Not every knot is ideal for heavier line. Some knots like a SDJ are actually designed I guess you can say for heavier line.
Exactly
Bluebasser86 reply :
I'm with deep on this one. I figure if they put a snap/split ring on the bait, it's because that's how it works best. They want you to catch fish so you'll buy more. I use a SDJ for most of my big bait fishing.
SirSnookalot reply :
On 11/16/2014 at 3:23 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I'm with deep on this one. I figure if they put a snap/split ring on the bait, it's because that's how it works best. They want you to catch fish so you'll buy more. I use a SDJ for most of my big bait fishing.
I use lures just the way they come out of the package, don't add or subtract, even on spoons. At one time I did, even added BB swivels to spoons, no more.
I don't use swimbaits per se, at times I use larger windcheater lures and on my surf rods I use 4oz spoons. My knot selection based on objective, that being holding the lure as well as holding the fish, not the expense of the lure, although my waxwings are in the $20 area. Using spinning with braid and leader (both mono & F/C), the loopknot is my choice.
hatrix reply :
On 11/16/2014 at 3:23 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I'm with deep on this one. I figure if they put a snap/split ring on the bait, it's because that's how it works best. They want you to catch fish so you'll buy more. I use a SDJ for most of my big bait fishing.
Yea I agree with that usually. But I still experiment to see what works for me. For example I don't like the split ring on my Deps but on S-Wavers I add a split ring.
basshole8190 reply :
On 11/17/2014 at 5:11 AM, hatrix said:Yea I agree with that usually. But I still experiment to see what works for me. For example I don't like the split ring on my Deps but on S-Wavers I add a split ring.
Thought about a split ring on my s wavers before. I tie to the ring on Deps. Keeps it fluid. Tied direct give an unnatural head nod
hatrix reply :
Well the thing with the Deps is I think I have a better feel for the head turns. Also when you use a ring from slack line or a stop to make it glide way out feel like it takes longer to get it to start gliding fully. When you first start up it doesn't glide fully because the ring isnt fully in contact yet.On 11/17/2014 at 6:42 AM, basshole8190 said:Thought about a split ring on my s wavers before. I tie to the ring on Deps. Keeps it fluid. Tied direct give an unnatural head nod
basshole8190 reply :
Faster gear ratio will remedy the slow response at the beginning of your cast
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