Senko replacement 2024
Davisb reply :
I'm much more of a finesse fisherman than a power fisherman for bass (mainly because 90% of the bass I have caught have been on UL spinning gear) and I got some fluorocarbon for a bigger spinning reel so I can try some techniques I haven't tried like dropshotting. Which means I will be going through lots of worms. Lately I have been trying different types of worms but all of the stick baits I have tried except the super $$$$$ senkos fall incredibly slow. Does anyone know any better worms? I'm about to try out the ZMan ZinkerZ and the Yum Dingers. Do these work as well as the senkos?
2tall79 reply :
I have gone to Mister Twister Comida worms for the reasons you just mentioned. About 1/2 the price and catch just as many fish, IMHO.
I've been using these for wacky rigging. I can catch multiple fish on the same bait.
mllrtm79 reply :
I have found that the Yum Dingers seem to fall slower than the Senkos.
Cabela's brand "go-to" (I think) had a decent fall rate, but I only tried one bag of them, since I haven't made the trek back up there since last July.
Poolshark reply :
The gambler ace and the bass pro stick o are excellent choices.
I've also learned to throw wacky rigged senkos on an o ring. They last ALOT longer
Darren. reply :
I use Bass Pro Stick-Os most of the time for wacky,
but not often for drop shot. And I never use o rings
for wacky...
For drop shot I like Yamamoto Shad Shape Worms
mllrtm79 reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 1:55 AM, Darren. said:
I use Bass Pro Stick-Os most of the time for wacky
how does the fall rate compare to senkos? I was thinking about getting a 50ct pack when I go past bps in a couple weeks.
Darren. reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 1:58 AM, mllrtm79 said:how does the fall rate compare to senkos? I was thinking about getting a 50ct pack when I go past bps in a couple weeks.
Very similar. I started with Senkos, tried many others
and "stuck" with the Stick-O (still use Senkos, too) as
best/closest IMO.
FryDog62 reply :
I used the iconic Yamasenkos for years... got tired of $8/bag and so tried every other Senko brand known to mankind. Found better prices but nothing that caught as many fish, or had a similar sink rate, etc. Until I tried Kalin's Wac-O-Worm. Similar sink rate as GYCB, more garlic scent and although very soft, last twice as long. And almost half the price...
Fishin' Fool reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 12:58 AM, Davisb said:I'm much more of a finesse fisherman than a power fisherman for bass (mainly because 90% of the bass I have caught have been on UL spinning gear) and I got some fluorocarbon for a bigger spinning reel so I can try some techniques I haven't tried like dropshotting. Which means I will be going through lots of worms. Lately I have been trying different types of worms but all of the stick baits I have tried except the super $$$$$ senkos fall incredibly slow. Does anyone know any better worms? I'm about to try out the ZMan ZinkerZ and the Yum Dingers. Do these work as well as the senkos?
I consider myself more of a finesse fisherman also. You have to learn to drop-shot. Yamamoto shad shaped worms as @Darren. mentioned, Roboworms, Jackal Cross-Tail shad. Those 3 will give you a nice selection of baits to try for drop shotting.
SFL BassHunter reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 12:58 AM, Davisb said:I'm much more of a finesse fisherman than a power fisherman for bass (mainly because 90% of the bass I have caught have been on UL spinning gear) and I got some fluorocarbon for a bigger spinning reel so I can try some techniques I haven't tried like dropshotting. Which means I will be going through lots of worms. Lately I have been trying different types of worms but all of the stick baits I have tried except the super $$$$$ senkos fall incredibly slow. Does anyone know any better worms? I'm about to try out the ZMan ZinkerZ and the Yum Dingers. Do these work as well as the senkos?
I've seen some videos where the BPS Sticko is about the closest to the Senko and a couple dollars cheaper. I use them and I love em. Just bought 9 packs cause BPS has em buy 2 get 1 free. That should last me a bit.
Darren. reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 2:54 AM, Fishin' Fool said:
I consider myself more of a finesse fisherman also. You have to learn to drop-shot. Yamamoto shad shaped worms as @Darren. mentioned, Roboworms, Jackal Cross-Tail shad. Those 3 will give you a nice selection of baits to try for drop shotting.
Haven't had much success with Roboworms, some, but
not nearly on par with the Shad Shape Worms. And not
yet tried the Cross-Tail shad. Plan on trying some new
minnow baits this year, though hard to when the SSWs
work so darn well for me.
Fishin' Fool reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 3:00 AM, Darren. said:
Haven't had much success with Roboworms, some, but
not nearly on par with the Shad Shape Worms. And not
yet tried the Cross-Tail shad. Plan on trying some new
minnow baits this year, though hard to when the SSWs
work so darn well for me.
Get some Poor Boy's Erie Darters, go with the 4". I bet those fish haven't seen alot of those where you're at. They are big in Ohio, Michigan and Indiana.
I don't know what the heck they are supposed to represent, they work though.
cottny27 reply :
I guess I call all of those stick baits a "senko". I like the BPS brand. They seem to be just a bit heavier than the other brands and a lot cheaper. The soft Yamas rip up way too easy imo.
Darren. reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 3:02 AM, Fishin' Fool said:
Get some Poor Boy's Erie Darters, go with the 4". I bet those fish haven't seen alot of those where you're at. They are big in Ohio, Michigan and Indiana.
They look good. Plenty of colors.
I might just be ordering some soon...
Thanks for the tip!
J Francho reply :
Nothing works like the original. Some house brands are downright terrible. I won't mention names since someone will be offended by which ones I think stink. A couple brands I've use that work well are SK Ocho, and the Yum version.
Mosster47 reply :
I have posted this a couple time before, but Big Bite Baits, boil them, 5/0 EWG. It is identical to the real thing and way more durable and about twenty five cents a piece.
cottny27 reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 2:56 AM, SFL BassHunter said:I've seen some videos where the BPS Sticko is about the closest to the Senko and a couple dollars cheaper. I use them and I love em. Just bought 9 packs cause BPS has em buy 2 get 1 free. That should last me a bit.
I'm with you on the stick-o's. I've got a few friends that were hooked on the Yamamotos switch to the Stick-o's. Half the cost and are more durable.
cottny27 reply :
Have you all tried the Pocket Rockets from Reaction Inno.? Found em on clearance at Academy and caught quite a few bass on just one on Sunday. They are heavy almost a 1/2oz.
offsidewing reply :
I keep coming back to senkos when I try a diffrrent brand. As for drop shotting, I've found myself drop shotting less and Ned Rigging more in all water depths. But the Yamamoto Shad shape worm is what I caught my PB on.
K_Mac reply :
I've used a dump truck load of both Senkos and Stick-os. I agree that Senkos are the best. When the bite is good, a stick-o will do fine. If money or pride is on the line I will go with the original.
BaitFinesse reply :
If you're wacky rigging a stick-o and would like a fall rate that matches the senko you can always opt for a 'flick shake' type jig head. The increase in fall rate has the added bonus of elicting more action from the bait.
CTBassin860 reply :
Catch them on Yum Dingers all the time.Good worm
Poolshark reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 1:55 AM, Darren. said:And I never use o rings
for wacky...
Try it out sometime. I've been using them now with 2/0 and 3/0 mesquito hooks and I've eliminated the occasional fling off/backlash and my senkos last many more fish. It's saved me money and it makes for an effortless hookset
RoLo reply :
The 'Gambler Ace' is virtually indistinguishable from a Yamamoto Senko (in all respects).
That may sound like a brash overstatement, but I've put both stickworms through the paces.
Roger
Darren. reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 9:57 AM, Poolshark said:
Try it out sometime. I've been using them now with 2/0 and 3/0 mesquito hooks and I've eliminated the occasional fling off/backlash and my senkos last many more fish. It's saved me money and it makes for an effortless hookset
I've tried, and I've also tried other methods, but I simply
prefer the simplicity of hooking perpendicular through the
bait itself with no additional gadgetry.
Now that doesn't mean I wont try again!! 
JDNKC reply :
Yamamotos are just better. I will spring a few extra bucks for the good stuff. Fishing time is limited. Make the most of it.
NHBull reply :
I prefer my sticks very salty and the slower the fall the better.... GY for me.
kadas reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 9:57 AM, RoLo said:
The 'Gambler Ace' is virtually indistinguishable from a Yamamoto Senko (in all respects).
That may sound like a brash overstatement, but I've put both stickworms through the paces.
Roger
I use the Yamamoto Senko a lot but like RoLo have found the Gambler Ace and Fat Ace to be a very good substitute for the Senko and is considerably cheaper. Really like Gambler products and the Ace and Fat Ace are always in the boat when I go out
roadwarrior reply :
The Fat Ika is not a replacement, but another VERY good option.
Brett's_daddy reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 3:17 AM, Mosster47 said:boil them
How long do you boil them? I bought a bunch of these at my local DSG for wicked cheap, like $1.49 per bag.
On 2/22/2017 at 1:08 AM, 2tall79 said:I've been using these for wacky rigging.
Where do you get these?
J Francho reply :
On 2/23/2017 at 1:25 AM, Brett's_daddy said:How long do you boil them?
11 mins. 9 mins. for al dente.
Brett's_daddy reply :
On 2/23/2017 at 2:16 AM, J Francho said:11 mins. 9 mins. for al dente.
2tall79 reply :
On 2/23/2017 at 1:25 AM, Brett's_daddy said:How long do you boil them? I bought a bunch of these at my local DSG for wicked cheap, like $1.49 per bag.
Where do you get these?
Here:
http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Wacky_Saddle_Replacement_O-Rings_25pk_/descpage-WACORG.html
Mosster47 reply :
On 2/23/2017 at 1:25 AM, Brett's_daddy said:How long do you boil them? I bought a bunch of these at my local DSG for wicked cheap, like $1.49 per bag.
Where do you get these?
I usually do it for around 15 seconds. You don't want them to get hot enough to permanently change form, you just want to soften them up.
Philo Beddoe reply :
When fun fishing I'll go with a dinger or stik-o, but when money is on the line then it is a yamamoto for me.
Yakalong reply :
Stick o and yum dingers I've had great success with them 
Jeff H reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 1:08 AM, 2tall79 said:I have gone to Mister Twister Comida worms for the reasons you just mentioned. About 1/2 the price and catch just as many fish, IMHO.
I've been using these for wacky rigging. I can catch multiple fish on the same bait.
The Comida performance is great and the price is excellent!
padon reply :
the erie darters are deadly on a drop shot. also Darren your a finesse fisherman don't be afraid to put them on a light weedless jighead like the zman power shroomz and swim the slowly around cover. somethimg different... and deadly.
J Francho reply :
On 2/23/2017 at 10:53 PM, padon said:the erie darters are deadly on a drop shot.
Shhhhh! The internet is listening, lol.
Choporoz reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 7:22 PM, NHBull said:I prefer my sticks very salty and the slower the fall the better.... GY for me.
Why 'very salty'? Especially since salt content and sink rate seem to be more or less directly proportional...or at least related.
5fishlimit reply :
On 2/22/2017 at 12:58 AM, Davisb said:I'm about to try out the ZMan ZinkerZ
These will sink even more slowly as the ZMan products typically float, or are of neutral buoyancy.
Darren. reply :
Just to add something to the brand discussion: size.
I looked up some suggestions above, e.g., Gambler Ace,
and see they start at 5", which does seem to be the most
popular size for some reason....
But I have way more success with 4" than 5" (still use 5").
So when I look for a brand, I want to know there are
at least 4 and 5" sizes. Therefore, GYCB, Stik-O are my
go-to (yes, YUM and others offer 4, but just don't dig
'em as much).
NYWayfarer reply :
For drop shot rigs I prefer the Yamamoto Shad shaped worm over the regular senko. If I drop shot a senko I will use the 3" size.
Yum Sharp Shooter or Warning Shots are great cost effective drop shot baits.
I don't quite understand your curiosity over the fall rate for drop shot baits. The fall rate for these baits don't count as your drop shot sinker is going to get them to the bottom fast.
J Francho reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 12:45 AM, Finesse Wayfarer said:The fall rate for these baits don't count as your drop shot sinker is going to get them to the bottom fast.
Not always true. Let's say senkos are getting bit at 15 - 20 FOW. They get nailed the last 18" or so of the decent. Tie up a drop shot rig with a 24" dropper line, and expedite the first 12-18 FOW useless water. When the sinker hits the bottom, give it slack to get a natural fall the last couple feet. I can't be the only one that does this to save time wating for the bait to get into the zone.
On 2/22/2017 at 7:22 PM, NHBull said:I prefer my sticks very salty and the slower the fall the better.... GY for me.
OG GYCB Senkos have a faster fall rate than most other brands I've compared them to.
NYWayfarer reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 2:19 AM, J Francho said:
Not always true. Let's say senkos are getting bit at 15 - 20 FOW. They get nailed the last 18" or so of the decent. Tie up a drop shot rig with a 24" dropper line, and expedite the first 12-18 FOW useless water. When the sinker hits the bottom, give it slack to get a natural fall the last couple feet. I can't be the only one that does this to save time wating for the bait to get into the zone.
You learn something new everyday. I will have to try that, thanks.
ww2farmer reply :
I quit using and buying GYCB senkos quite a few years ago now and switched to Yum dingers. I still catch as many, and as big of fish as I ever did, and regularly beat people in tournaments who say "senkos work better" with my yum dingers. What makes yum dingers the perfect stick bait IMHO is there lack of salt.......just the opposite of GYCB, yet they still have the "wiggle". The lack of salt lets me fish them uber slow weightless, to adding weight to get the rate of fall I (and the fish want).
I did an experiment a couple years ago on fall rates between 5" Yum Dingers and Senkos.
A weightless Senko falls faster and with more "wiggle" than a weightless Yum dinger.
A Dinger with a 1/16th oz wacky jig falls at the same rate, and with just as a pronounced "wiggle" as a weightless senko
A dinger with an 1/8th oz wacky jig falls slightly faster than a senko w/a 1/16th oz wacky jig, wiggle was the same.
My conclusions...............since I fish with wacky jigs 99% of the time, I go with dingers to save money, and have as little more room to play with rate of fall.
Other stick baits I have tried that are great:
SK Ocho's
SK Zero's
Havoc Flat Dawgs
Havoc Money Makers
Big Bite Baits Cane Sticks
Z-man Zinkers
These are baits I don't care for:
BPS Stick-O's
Gander Mtn brand
Cabela's brand
Big Bite Baits Trick Stick
Wave Worms Tiki Stick
SK Shimmy sticks
Berkley Gulp Sinking minnow
On 2/24/2017 at 2:19 AM, J Francho said:
Not always true. Let's say senkos are getting bit at 15 - 20 FOW. They get nailed the last 18" or so of the decent. Tie up a drop shot rig with a 24" dropper line, and expedite the first 12-18 FOW useless water. When the sinker hits the bottom, give it slack to get a natural fall the last couple feet. I can't be the only one that does this to save time wating for the bait to get into the zone.
I invented that.... LOL
TOXIC reply :
Let me just say it is totally refreshing to see a Senko discussion not turn into a "my bait is better than your bait" argument or flat out bashing Senkos. I can't really post a reply without my bias showing but I will tell a story. I had a close friend (RIP) who owned a tackle store on she shores of Late St Clair, where a group of us have gathered for the last 13 years straight. He knew my affiliation with GYCB and we had a longstanding bet of a 5th of Jack Daniels on the line. His challenge was to find a bait that matched the Senko fall rate and action. It was a test performed in his swimming pool. In the 11 years we had the competition, I got a lot of free JD and never had to buy a bottle. 
I will say, I do not like to Wacky Rig but I know it works. I will also say I have had 4 inch fish bite a 5 inch Senko and finally, I do not dropshot a Senko. That's why they make the Shad Shape Worm and the Pro Senko. The important thing is to have confidence in whatever brand you throw. When I guided a lot of tournament anglers, they used the knock-offs for practice and real Senkos for tournament day.
J Francho reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 3:14 AM, ww2farmer said:I invented that.... LOL
I thought I stole that from you, lol. I remember reading about it from someone local....must have been you.
ww2farmer reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 3:22 AM, J Francho said:
I thought I stole that from you, lol. I remember reading about it from someone local....must have been you.
I was being a little sarcastic.................but it's funny, the things I have done for years, like that, or power shotting, flick shaking etc....that many years after the fact become a "thing"
Davisb reply :
I really appreciate all the input. Thanks!
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