Difference between Shakey Head and Ned Rig 2024
CybrSlydr reply :
So, I don't have any jigs or worms for shakey head, so I was looking into them on here. To me, it looks like the Shakey Head and Ned Rig are quite similar in rigging and presentation.
Is the main difference the Shakey Head uses larger worms than the Ned? Because I'm going to be buying some of those Big Bad Bait Squirrel Tail 6" and the Ned Rig sticks I have are in the 2.75-3" range.
fishballer06 reply :
On 8/16/2017 at 7:53 PM, CybrSlydr said:Is the main difference the Shakey Head uses larger worms than the Ned?
In my opinion, there are some major differences besides the size of the plastic bait they use.
- Ned rig is an open hook presentation, shakeyhead is normally a weedless texas style rigging
- Ned rig uses a very lightweight jig head, shakeyhead can go upwards of 3/8, 1/2, 3/4oz
- Ned rig generally uses 3-4" stick bait, traditionally of the Zman Elaztech material, so it's buoyant. With the light jighead and buoyant plastic, it has a slow, abnormal fall rate through the water. A shakeyhead can use any type of plastic (craw, worm, swimbait)
- Traditional ned rigging requires spinning gear because of how light the baits are. A shakeyhead can be thrown on spinning or casting gear
IndianaFinesse reply :
Shaky heads use much larger hooks than what should be used for "ned rigs", often in the 2/0-4/0 range, while the Ned rig uses hooks between the sizes #6 and #2. Another difference is the weights used, shaky heads weigh between 1/16 and upwards of 1/2 ounce, while the ned rig uses jig heads in the 1/32 to 3/32 ounce range. Larger plastics (typically 4" and over) are paired with the heavier heads and larger hooks (sometimes rigged weedless) on shaky heads, and plastics 4" and under are paired with the tiny mushroom heads and the open small hooks used for the ned rig.
deep reply :
Presentation
On the bottom- usually target (cover) oriented, vs off the bottom.
Feel vs no feel.
The technical details have been addressed above.
Oh yeah, your rod + reel needs to cost <$20 to fish ned rigs properly.
Choporoz reply :
I get how they seem to be similar/related. I agree with the replies above. One other big difference for me is that I work ned rigs exceedingly slow...I try hard to maintain bottom contact; and with such a light head, that isn't always easy to retrieve on the bottom. I am much more likely to move and hop a shakey head much more than the ned. I still like a slow drag much of the time, but it allows a lot more versatility in the way you move it, IMO.
Bluebasser86 reply :
Along with other things mentioned, when I'm fishing a shakyhead, it's almost always on the bottom. When I'm fishing a Ned rig, it's rarely on the bottom and sometimes just a few inches below the surface. A Ned rig is a much more versatile rig IMO.
fishwizzard reply :
On 8/17/2017 at 2:23 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Along with other things mentioned, when I'm fishing a shakyhead, it's almost always on the bottom. When I'm fishing a Ned rig, it's rarely on the bottom and sometimes just a few inches below the surface. A Ned rig is a much more versatile rig IMO.
Lately I have been trying for the best of both, small ~4" plastics on small (1/16oz - 1/0) shakyhead jigs. I can work them back with the MWF retrieves or work them on the bottom as the situation dictates.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 8/17/2017 at 10:36 PM, Bunnielab said:
Lately I have been trying for the best of both, small ~4" plastics on small (1/16oz - 1/0) shakyhead jigs. I can work them back with the MWF retrieves or work them on the bottom as the situation dictates.
I fish a Ned Rig on the bottom no problems where there aren't any Zebra Mussels. Drop a Ned or shakyhead to the bottom in Zebra territory and you might as well have just thtown it into the lake instead of tying the bait on. Plus I can use a much lighter rod with the little open hook on a Ned and get the most out of that subtle action with the light and short hook.
fishwizzard reply :
I have gotten to the point where I will fearlessly swim a ned through brush and small rock cover, but as soon as I let it settle on the bottom it snags. I still throw the mini-shakys on the same combos I fish the Ned on, it's just a matter of using soft plastics or skin hooking them on the side to insure good hooksets. Those little Biospawn worms, if skin hooked, have almost as long a life as a zman lure.
Dorado reply :
For those who swim a ned rig besides mimicking a baitfish eating food off the bottom, what advantages does the ned rig have over small paddletails and single tail grubs?
padon reply :
actually if you read up on Midwest finesse fishing before the TRD or the half zinkerz small paddle tail grubs were used frequently and sometimes still are. manns stingray grub is a favorite of mine (if you can find them) as well as the 3" erie darter. most people are fixated on the TRD and the mushroom head but that is the most basic part of the Midwest system. the idea is a lightweight head and a small subtle bait either swimming or crawling on bottom. I use 4" finesse worms 3-4" grubs small original flukes or fin s fish.there are a lot of small subtle type baits fished on 1/16 3/32 or 1/8 small jigheads that produce very well with the technique, especially in pressured or clear waters.
NHBull reply :
The common thing for me is that I have little patience to throw them.
They surely work, but it like going to the dentist
Fishin' Fool reply :
On 8/17/2017 at 11:15 PM, Dorado said:For those who swim a ned rig besides mimicking a baitfish eating food off the bottom, what advantages does the ned rig have over small paddletails and single tail grubs?
This is a great question I'd love to hear someone's opinion on it.
Team9nine reply :
On 8/18/2017 at 4:30 AM, Fishin' Fool said:
This is a great question I'd love to hear someone's opinion on it.
On 8/17/2017 at 11:15 PM, Dorado said:For those who swim a ned rig besides mimicking a baitfish eating food off the bottom, what advantages does the ned rig have over small paddletails and single tail grubs?
Small paddletails and ST grubs are "Ned rigs" when fished Midwest Finesse style, mostly with the "straight swim" retrieve. Padon touched on it in his reply above. Several MF anglers use the Zman Slim SwimZ (paddletail), and Ned has written numerous times about using a ST (curlytail) grub.
WRB reply :
On 8/16/2017 at 7:53 PM, CybrSlydr said:So, I don't have any jigs or worms for shakey head, so I was looking into them on here. To me, it looks like the Shakey Head and Ned Rig are quite similar in rigging and presentation.
Is the main difference the Shakey Head uses larger worms than the Ned? Because I'm going to be buying some of those Big Bad Bait Squirrel Tail 6" and the Ned Rig sticks I have are in the 2.75-3" range.
Shaky head jigs use a screw lock to hold the soft plastic onto the jig head with longer shank hook that is designed to be a bottom contact presentation. Ned jigs are half round jig heads with shorter length hooks to Kane a more compact lure. Both come weights from 1/16 to 3/16 oz +/- 1/32 oz. The question is what advantage dies a Ned jig have over a ball head or dart head with the same weight and size hook, rigged the same when not fished on the bottom? Answer....nothing! All 3 worked using the same soft plastics and presentation.
Tom
cgolf reply :
At this point I have given up trying to label the technique I use. I toss a lot of Ned style plastics on Ned sized jigs, but I tend to fish them the way the fish want them. Sometimes a straight in retrieve scraping over the rocks and sometimes like a shakey head bouncing if off the bottom.
Another great Ned bait, is the Arkie crawlin fry that I cut into like four pieces. Smallies love it, probably is a good imitation of a Helgie. Only downside is they aren't the most durable, but if you can get 80 baits per bag who cares.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 8/17/2017 at 11:15 PM, Dorado said:For those who swim a ned rig besides mimicking a baitfish eating food off the bottom, what advantages does the ned rig have over small paddletails and single tail grubs?
I swim the TRD and ZinkerZ for the subtle action. The tail end wobbles very slightly during a straight retrieve. As subtle as we see a small swimbait or grub being, it's a very exaggerated action compared to the swimming motion of a small baitfish.
Comfortably Numb reply :
Most of these "new" techniques are just slight mods on old style rigs.
Who hasn't thrown a light jig with a grub?
We used to use the Slider heads with 4" Slider worms years ago.
cgolf reply :
On 8/18/2017 at 8:04 PM, Comfortably Numb said:Most of these "new" techniques are just slight mods on old style rigs.
Who hasn't thrown a light jig with a grub?
We used to use the Slider heads with 4" Slider worms years ago.
I still use a ton of slider heads, just not the way Charlie Brewer intended them. Maybe some day I should actually try out his method.
Team9nine reply :
RichF reply :
Major difference...the shakey head is semi-acceptable bait/technique, the Flanders rig is a down right disgrace to bass fishing! 
padon reply :
yes team 99 that's how I feel.im waiting for someone to ask why you cant throw it on a bait caster. its not lure people it a technique , a general system. its not putting a trd on a 1/4 oz head and dragging bottom. google Midwest finesse and read up on it. if the trd had never been invented the system would be the same with slightly different baits.
deep reply :
d**n! you Midwest finesse guys are pretty fanatical.
That was a joke btw
Team9nine reply :
On 8/18/2017 at 9:21 PM, RichF said:Major difference...the shakey head is semi-acceptable bait/technique, the Flanders rig is a down right disgrace to bass fishing!
Only to Kumar and his BassBlaster buddies, but he's slowly losing the war on this one 
On 8/18/2017 at 9:31 PM, deep said:d**n! you Midwest finesse guys are pretty fanatical.
That was a joke btw
I'm fine with the jokes. J Francho dogs me all the time about matching shoes, socks and Ned rig colors - lol The frustrating part is still the lack of understanding about the whole thing despite everything we've posted, which I largely place the blame at the feet of Zman.
NYWayfarer reply :
The Ned rig is pretty simple to me. Mushroom style jighead and a TRD, half a Zinkerz or other stick bait for the non-purist.
Shakey head on the other hand... While simple in its presentation, the jigheads used: screwlock, football, swinging, non-screwlock, etc. can be confusing. I had to watch videos on rigging these various style heads before I found the one I liked.
After watching Justin Rackley's 4 ways to rig a plastic worm vid I realized I liked what he did with the Biospawn Exostick. He took a Strike King football head jig hooked it sideways through the Exostick's first jointed segment. He then rotated the head 180 degrees and then buried the hook. This quickly became my favorite bait and jighead to shakey head fish with.
padon reply :
lo I know it was a joke deep im not offended . Im really not a Midwest finesse guy id rather be throwing flukes texas rigged worms or bladed jigs. but I will say this time of year or whenever the bite gets tough I wont hesitate to grab some sort of finesse style rig and throw it and it usually pays off. if just frustrating to see guys say they wanna try the technique then immediately start modifying it to their liking. if you wanna try the technique read up on it and follow it and see how it works for you then try some modifications if you feel you need to.
J Francho reply :
Can I add "stand up jig," "jig worm," and "slider rig" to further the confusion? Does anyone make a weedless mushroom head? Another one: I remember fishing grubs on a ball-head for smallmouth. Sometimes the ribbon tail would get torn off. Was I "Midwest Finessing?"
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 8/18/2017 at 10:13 PM, Finesse Wayfarer said:The Ned rig is pretty simple to me. Mushroom style jighead and a TRD, half a Zinkerz or other stick bait for the non-purist.
There are all kinds of different baits that can be used on a "ned rig", readings some Midwest finesse articles and reports over on infishermen will show you just how many can be used effectively. And it might help you understand what the ned rig and Midwest finesse fishing really is.
Lately the 4" finesse wormz on a 1/16 ounce mushroom head has been very productive for me, substantially more so than the 2.5 inch zinkerz. Robo worms actually work a little better IMO than the finesse wormz, but I don't use them much because I can only get half a dozen fish per robo worm instead of 100-150 fish before the finesse wormz is to torn to use.
Team9nine reply :
On 8/18/2017 at 10:30 PM, J Francho said:Can I add "stand up jig," "jig worm," and "slider rig" to further the confusion? Does anyone make a weedless mushroom head? Another one: I remember fishing grubs on a ball-head for smallmouth. Sometimes the ribbon tail would get torn off. Was I "Midwest Finessing?"
Yes, several production and custom pours for weedless mushroom versions are now available, most use just a single wire guard, or two at most.
On your second question, probably not (based on the ballhead alone), though the definition is getting stretched more and more these days, and it has nothing to do with the tail of the grub. Mushroom head jig, frequently brightly colored, less than 3/32 oz., small exposed hook (#2 or smaller) and short piece of plastic (more and more Elaztech based) fished in less than 12 ft of water (usually less than 8') and commonly on open banks or around sparse vegetation (intentionally avoiding more traditional bass cover areas) using short casts and a variety of defined retrieves combined with an intentional lack of feeling as to the baits presence, often punctuated with shaking. It was developed on/for flatland impoundments, has frugality as a basis along with the concept/goal of catching 101 bass in 4 hrs, and usually fishing midday (11-3, 12-4, etc.), but more people using it more places now is broadening this.
I think that covers most of it...lol.
J Francho reply :
I was thinking more of a weedless hook, like a slider or shaky head.
Anyway, this is what I actually love about real finesse fishing - so many options, and so many names to call it. I basically have a dozen or so jig styles, each suited for different things like cover or action, that I throw on light line and spinning tackle. What's funny, I often simply go back to my favorite: the drop shot. I have to break out of this pattern. It's fine when I have located fish, but it sucks for covering water. I'll stop teasing you guys (not if you over complicate it!) and give it a spin this week. Poop jigs. 
Team9nine reply :
The interesting thing is that nearly every finesse presentation commonly used these days started out and was developed in a specific area, on specific waters, and with specific and subtle nuances built in. Jigworming, Doodle worming, split shotting, slider fishing, hair jigs (the Hoss fly), Neko, dropshot, Pow-RR heads, darthead fishing, Westy worming, etc. Midwest Finesse is really no different in that regard.
J Francho reply :
Did you think I was gonna let "westy worming" slide? I don't know why, but I can't stop laughing at that.
Clearly, there's something wrong with me.
KCFinesse reply :
On 8/18/2017 at 11:06 PM, Team9nine said:
I think that covers most of it...lol.
That's good stuff, and I think that really defines the text book approach to Midwest finesse. Somewhere in the discussion of what really constitutes a Ned rig, the difference between Midwest finesse as an approach and Midwest finesse rigging terminal tackle gets lost.
People reference the approaches defined by Spoonplugging to this day, but the actual tackle used in the approach (originally) is pretty scarce and dated...
As far as the actual rig goes, I always saw the big shift (and really the big deal) with the Ned rig being elaztech. This counters a bit of the Midwest finesse gospel which does account for slider grubs and beetle spins- but the proof is in the pudding. Put a half senko on a light ball head vs a half (work out) zinkers on a mushroom head and watch the difference in action. That's the game changer that got everyone talking Midwest finesse- that's really what the Ned rig is to me. To add a bit of poetic justice to it, Kehde never named it the Ned rig and I'm sure he doesn't want his system solely associated to one type of plastic on one type of jig head.
I fish both neds and shakeyheads a lot, mostly in the type of cover a bit 'sexier' than the typical Midwest finesse definitions. I also fish neds mostly on the bottom or hovering close to it, oftentimes just like a shakeyhead. I also, like @IndianaFinesse, really like the zman finesse worms and I'll add the finesse shadz to that discussion as well, both of which kinda look like a lot like a shakeyhead or a jig worm. All these things work and I rotate as the fishing demands a different profile or action.
-Jared
Quarry Man reply :
I only fish ned rigs in lakes that are really clear and have lots of fish; therefore, i use small sizes with floating baits. i usually let it fall to the bottom. the fall is when they strike. if not, slow reel to the boat. i also like to ned rig grubs. great reeling action. Also, it is a phenomenal bed fishing rig. that is when i call it the bed rig not ned
deep reply :
On 8/18/2017 at 9:39 PM, Team9nine said:
Only to Kumar and his BassBlaster buddies, but he's slowly losing the war on this one
Ha! He doesn't (seem to) know **** about swimbaits either. Or maybe it's just his sense of humor.
Team9nine reply :
On 8/19/2017 at 9:09 AM, deep said:
Ha! He doesn't (seem to) know **** about swimbaits either. Or maybe it's just his sense of humor.
Lol - Kumar is good people, and I think he hangs out here, so I have to poke him every once in a while 
I can usually tell when he's grabbed something I've posted. I actually wrote for his BassParade blog for a couple years, which was his venture right before the Blaster. He stays in tune with what's going on in the industry since he's part of it.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 8/19/2017 at 9:22 AM, Team9nine said:
Lol - Kumar is good people, and I think he hangs out here, so I have to poke him every once in a while
I can usually tell when he's grabbed something I've posted. I actually wrote for his BassParade blog for a couple years, which was his venture right before the Blaster. He stays in tune with what's going on in the industry since he's part of it.
He does. He comments occasionally, and I know he's used things I've said a time or two.
fishwizzard reply :
I apologize if this is old news as it is from July, but it is interesting how almost all the points that they make are exactly what the experienced guys here have been saying every time this is brought up.
https://zmanfishing.com/cms/chatter/8-most-common-ned-rig-mistakes/
Also, there is this bit sure to please @Darren.
QuoteWhile standard 2500 or 3000 size bass reels will work fine, we have found that smaller 1000 size spinning reels usually reserved for trout or panfish are even better, as they are built to handle fine diameter lines. In addition, the smaller spools on 1000 size spinning reels take up less line with each turn of the handle and enable anglers not accustomed to this technique to slow down their presentations.
WRB reply :
Be the 1st in your neighborhood to flick shaky your Ned rig!
Tom
Darren. reply :
On 8/21/2017 at 2:36 AM, Bunnielab said:I apologize if this is old news as it is from July, but it is interesting how almost all the points that they make are exactly what the experienced guys here have been saying every time this is brought up.
https://zmanfishing.com/cms/chatter/8-most-common-ned-rig-mistakes/
Also, there is this bit sure to please @Darren.
I knew there was something about those guys I liked!
fishwizzard reply :
On 8/21/2017 at 2:51 AM, WRB said:Be the 1st in your neighborhood to flick shaky your Ned rig!
Tom
You joke, but before I got serious about bass fishing my go to lure was a Hula Stick rigged on a 1/16oz - 1/0 jighead. I didn't glue them on then and quite often when I missed a hookset I would pull the HS off the jig and re-rig it through the middle, throw it where I got hit, and shake the hell out of it as it fell. It worked a lot of the time. I just tried to think like a baitfish that just got bit and was dying.
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