You guys have done it to me I'm trying again 2024
Chance_Taker4 reply :
I have so excited when Diawa announced the Tatula originally that I preordered three. But I was never more disappointed more in my life. They were my least farthest casting reel, I couldn't get them dialed in and the T-Wing Design was atrocious in my book. Needless to say they found a new home quick. HOWEVER, the more I keep reading on here about how much everyone loves the new Tatulas (more Diawa love than Shimano love and it shocks me lol). I may need to try them again. If I do which version should I look into picking up?
Im also Contemplating the Fuego so I don't have to deal with the T-wing
new2BC4bass reply :
No idea why they were your least furthest casting reels. Majority of my reels average about the same. A few do better than the norm. TT gave the Fuego CT their "Best Value Award". I've only used the originals so don't know a thing about the new models. You could up your budget and try a Tatula SV TWS. First time out I was getting average distances, but distance was increasing as the reel got broke in a bit. From what I have read it will bomb a heavy lure yet will also handle lighter lures with aplomb. I didn't get to spend much time with it because the wife was with me and needed to get home. I am hoping the reel will only get better with use...and me getting more familiar with it.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 7/19/2017 at 9:42 PM, new2BC4bass said:No idea why they were your least furthest casting reels. Majority of my reels average about the same. A few do better than the norm. TT gave the Fuego CT their "Best Value Award". I've only used the originals so don't know a thing about the new models. You could up your budget and try a Tatula SV TWS. First time out I was getting average distances, but distance was increasing as the reel got broke in a bit. From what I have read it will bomb a heavy lure yet will also handle lighter lures with aplomb. I didn't get to spend much time with it because the wife was with me and needed to get home. I am hoping the reel will only get better with use...and me getting more familiar with it.
Thanks for the recommendation but I don't see there ever being a feature or benefit in a reel that causes me to pay more than $250. I think majority of reel manufactures overprice their reels.
Damn Yankee reply :
You can get the Fuego on the bay for 75 bucks shipped.
I purchased one about 4 months ago and it is worth twice that.
Well made, bearings in all the right places(12),air rotation and carbon drag ect.Great reel.
Jeff H reply :
Please don't buy another Daiwa. It very likely won't meet any of your expectations because they haven't changed anything on them enough that it would satisfy you any more than what you had previously.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 7/19/2017 at 10:20 PM, Jeff H said:Please don't buy another Daiwa. It very likely won't meet any of your expectations because they haven't changed anything on them enough that it would satisfy you any more than what you had previously.
I loved how it felt in my hand and how smooth it was. I absolutely hated the T-Wing and I could not keep the dang thing from backlashing and Daiwa is the only company I have had that problem with.
sully420 reply :
Why try a reel you don't like just because people on this site love them soo much? There are many good reel manufacturers out there abu, shimano,ect. Find the equipment you like you will be the one useing it.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 7/19/2017 at 10:30 PM, sully420 said:Why try a reek you don't like just because people on this site live them soo much? There are many good reel manufacturers out there abu, shimano,ect. Find the equipment you like you will be the one useing it.
The majority of my arsenal is Abu, Ardent and Lews. My thought was that the Tatula/Fuego line (With most new products had some bugs at initial release that have been worked out now). The Gen 3 Revos sucked the first year they were released but over the last two years they were great reels. All products not just in the fishing industry has stuff that comes up at initial release and the three I owned were first batch shipments.
sully420 reply :
I have 2 gen 3 revos and there amazing for me but thats just me. If you are still looking for a brand that works for you try shimano i dont think you could go wrong.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 7/19/2017 at 10:46 PM, sully420 said:I have 2 gen 3 revos and there amazing for me but thats just me. If you are still looking for a brand that works for you try shimano i dont think you could go wrong.
I love Abu I have Gen 2 and Gen 3 Revos Sx and STX but with all the rave reviews on the Tatulas I assumed that maybe I should give them another shot since I can get them so cheap on the bay.
d-camarena reply :
Its not that peolle dont like shimano. Diawa makes products that stand out visually. They look nice, have nice writing on them, some also have some parts painted in colors that would appeal to a 12 year old. Thats why they are so popular nowadays. Nothing wrong with shimanos, they are every bit as good if not better that any other brand. The problem is the color schemes shimano uses appeal mostly to the older croud.
j bab reply :
I have daiwas, shimanos, and lews. None of them stand out to me as way better than the rest, they all seem good for the price range
Jeff H reply :
On 7/19/2017 at 10:29 PM, Chance_Taker4 said:I loved how it felt in my hand and how smooth it was. I absolutely hated the T-Wing and I could not keep the dang thing from backlashing and Daiwa is the only company I have had that problem with.
So, it's done and over with. Move on to your happy place.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 7/19/2017 at 11:57 PM, j bab said:I have daiwas, shimanos, and lews. None of them stand out to me as way better than the rest, they all seem good for the price range
Like I said, the majority of my reels cast about the same distance. I can't afford the high end reels so I may be missing out on the country mile casters. I do have reels from Daiwa, Shimano, Lew's, Pflueger, Abu, Okuma, BPS, Pinnacle and the unmentionable company. A lot depends on lure, rod and lure weight. My Gen 1 STX with 40# braid throws an unweighted 10" ribbontail and 5/0 hook just fine on a 7' MHF Jupiter. Put a 3/4 oz. spoon on that combo and it flies.
A couple reels that do very well with distance casting are my Primmus and Helios Air. A 50th Anniversary Zillion spooled with 12# Elite and mounted on a Daiwa 7'6" HF will cast a 3/4 oz. spinnerbait so far I'm not sure I could do a good job of setting the hook.
It could be the OP isn't familiar enough with Daiwa reels. I learned on a Daiwa. I have less trouble with backlashes/over-runs on an Alphas or 105H than on a Curado 51E. Another person might be the opposite.
david in va reply :
I here all about distance, BUT no one ever states how far in yards!! About 40 yards is as far as I can cast a 5/8 oz lure.
I have Daiwa Tutalas Shamino Curados KVD Quantums and kastkings the Tutala may cast a yard or 2 more but is as smooth as silk all are new this year
Don't waste your money, there is no magic reel as far as distance
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 12:29 AM, new2BC4bass said:It could be the OP isn't familiar enough with Daiwa reels. I learned on a Daiwa. I have less trouble with backlashes/over-runs on an Alphas or 105H than on a Curado 51E. Another person might be the opposite.
I wish I could love this post instead of like. I had a T3 Ballistic that I loved. I also used the previously stated Tatula and an exceller but I could not cast any of the Excellers or Tatulas more than 20-25 yards without a backlash. I want to love Tatulas because they feel the best in my hand next to Ardent Apex reels. I learned on a Abu Garcia and grew up on Abu and Quantum.
On 7/20/2017 at 1:00 AM, david in va said:I here all about distance, BUT no one ever states how far in yards!! About 40 yards is as far as I can cast a 5/8 oz lure.
I have Daiwa Tutalas Shamino Curados KVD Quantums and kastkings the Tutala may cast a yard or 2 more but is as smooth as silk all are new this year
Don't waste your money, there is no magic reel as far as distance
As for casting distance. All the reels I own and use range between 38-42 yards. My longest reel and surprisingly my most smoothest is my Ardent Apex Elite. I can launch that thing 40-44 yards easily but that thing needs baby more than any reel I have ever owned (in the maintenance department). If I could get the Tatula/Fuego to cast 30 yards with backlashing consistently I would be perfectly ok with that.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 1:44 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:
I wish I could love this post instead of like. I had a T3 Ballistic that I loved. I also used the previously stated Tatula and an exceller but I could not cast any of the Excellers or Tatulas more than 20-25 yards without a backlash. I want to love Tatulas because they feel the best in my hand next to Ardent Apex reels. I learned on a Abu Garcia and grew up on Abu and Quantum.
As for casting distance. All the reels I own and use range between 38-42 yards. My longest reel and surprisingly my most smoothest is my Ardent Apex Elite. I can launch that thing 40-44 yards easily but that thing needs baby more than any reel I have ever owned (in the maintenance department). If I could get the Tatula/Fuego to cast 30 yards with backlashing consistently I would be perfectly ok with that.
I never like saying this, but it has to be you. Sorry. Those Tats will cast at least as far as your Ardent. Without backlashing.
fishnkamp reply :
Here is my experience and it comes from my own fishing and with meeting up with local BR members and helping them get their gear adjusted correctly. I just did this last week with one local member. He purchased a brand new Shimano Chronarch MGL. That is a really nice reel. He stated he could not get the internal and external breaking adjusted to cast without backlash issues.
Keep in mind a friend introduced me to the Daiwas several years ago and I have since sold off all my Shimanos and currently own 7 Diawas. I own one Exceler, 4 original Tatula Type Rs, and 2 Tatula CTs.
If you choose to get a Tatula go with the smaller body CT.
I had the BR member show me what was happening. He had the internal brakes set with 2 on and 2 off. We set the external dial to half way and then carefully adjusted the spool tension till the 1/2 ounce jig dropped slow and steady till it hit the ground and caused no overrun. He was amazed how well it cast with just a few minutes adjusting it. He nearly cast into my neighbors yard, across the stream out back. Next i made him feel the amount of side play the spool had within the body of the reel. There was essentially none.
This was one of his first baitcasting reels. He had never cast a Tatula so I brought out my Powell Max 683 CEF rod with a a Tatula CT 6.2-1 ( this is a 6'8 MH Extra Fast tipped rod that I use for regular jigs and swimjigs). I had a 1/2 ounce jig on this as well, so the comparison was close. I showed him I had the external dial set at 10 out of 20 and the spool tension is set so the spool has about a 1/16 of an inch side play. The Tatulas need to be set totally differently than any other reel out there. I actually run the reel a touch looser but had it set this way since he was unfamiliar with it. He was very impressed with it although it did not cast any farther than his reel. If you understand how the Mag Force Z brakes work than you can make the Tats work well. Take a look on You Tube under Daiwa MagForce Z and you will find a video covering 3 Daiwa brake systems.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 4:21 AM, fishnkamp said:Here is my experience and it comes from my own fishing and with meeting up with local BR members and helping them get their gear adjusted correctly. I just did this last week with one local member. He purchased a brand new Shimano Chronarch MGL. That is a really nice reel. He stated he could not get the internal and external breaking adjusted to cast without backlash issues.
Keep in mind a friend introduced me to the Daiwas several years ago and I have since I sold off all my Shimanos and currently own 7 Diawas. I own one Exceler, 4 original Tatula Type Rs, and 2 Tatula CTs.
If you choose to get a Tatula go with the smaller body CT.
I had the BR member show me what was happening. He had the internal brakes set with 2 on and 2 off. We set the external dial to half way and then carefully adjusted the spool tension till the 1/2 ounce jig dropped slow and steady till it hit the ground and caused no overrun. He was amazed how well it cast with just a few minutes adjusting it. He nearly cast into my neighbors yard, across the stream out back. Next i made him feel the amount of side play the spool had within the body of the reel. There was essentially none.
This was one of his first baitcasting reels. He had never cast a Tatula so I brought out my Powell Max 683 CEF rod with a a Tatula CT 6.2-1 ( this is a 6'8 MH Extra Fast tipped rod that I use for regular jigs and swimjigs). I had a 1/2 ounce jig on this as well, so the comparison was close. I showed him I had the external dial set at 10 out of 20 and the spool tension is set so the spool has about a 1/16 of an inch side play. The Tatulas need to be set totally differently than any other reel out there. I actually run the reel a touch looser but had it set this way since he was unfamiliar with it. He was very impressed with it although it did not cast any farther than his reel. If you understand how the Mag Force Z brakes work than you can make the Tats work well. Take a look on You Tube under Daiwa MagForce Z and you will find a video covering 3 Daiwa brake systems.
I appreciate this very much. I set the reels as I do with all my reel turn all the brakes off. Set the spool tension then fine tune the reel with small brake adjustments but I could never get the Daiwas to tune this way. I am going to look up the videos and figure what I did wrong before pulling the trigger on another one. I want to like them so bad. I like their rods and want to know be in the masses with their reels.
wet_dream reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 4:21 AM, fishnkamp said:Here is my experience and it comes from my own fishing and with meeting up with local BR members and helping them get their gear adjusted correctly. I just did this last week with one local member. He purchased a brand new Shimano Chronarch MGL. That is a really nice reel. He stated he could not get the internal and external breaking adjusted to cast without backlash issues.
Keep in mind a friend introduced me to the Daiwas several years ago and I have since I sold off all my Shimanos and currently own 7 Diawas. I own one Exceler, 4 original Tatula Type Rs, and 2 Tatula CTs.
If you choose to get a Tatula go with the smaller body CT.
I had the BR member show me what was happening. He had the internal brakes set with 2 on and 2 off. We set the external dial to half way and then carefully adjusted the spool tension till the 1/2 ounce jig dropped slow and steady till it hit the ground and caused no overrun. He was amazed how well it cast with just a few minutes adjusting it. He nearly cast into my neighbors yard, across the stream out back. Next i made him feel the amount of side play the spool had within the body of the reel. There was essentially none.
This was one of his first baitcasting reels. He had never cast a Tatula so I brought out my Powell Max 683 CEF rod with a a Tatula CT 6.2-1 ( this is a 6'8 MH Extra Fast tipped rod that I use for regular jigs and swimjigs). I had a 1/2 ounce jig on this as well, so the comparison was close. I showed him I had the external dial set at 10 out of 20 and the spool tension is set so the spool has about a 1/16 of an inch side play. The Tatulas need to be set totally differently than any other reel out there. I actually run the reel a touch looser but had it set this way since he was unfamiliar with it. He was very impressed with it although it did not cast any farther than his reel. If you understand how the Mag Force Z brakes work than you can make the Tats work well. Take a look on You Tube under Daiwa MagForce Z and you will find a video covering 3 Daiwa brake systems.
Hey @fishnkamp,
You're reviews/posts praising Daiwa Tatulas were one of the factors in leading me to purchase a couple Tatula CT's. I have a CT Type-R 8.1:1 and a CT 6.3:1. This is coming from someone with no baitcasting experience prior to purchasing these reels.
I have had no complaints with these reels, and I learned how to cast them fairly quickly, but I may be leaving some distance on the table because I've tried to adjust them as you've stated but always seem to get some backlash when setting them up that way.
I've had a much better experience when setting them up the traditional way: letting the lure drop and adjusting tension knob so there is no over run when the lure hits the ground. Usually, when adjusting using this method, there is no side to side play on the spool.
Curious, that kind of line do you use on your reels? I'm wondering if this may have something to do with it.
Sorry if I hijacked your thread @Chance_Taker4. Just wanted to put my 2 cents in. So from my very limited experience, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend these reels. But maybe I'm not utilizing it to their true potential.
I just recently got a Chronarch MGL. Maybe I'll take a day and actually compare it to my CT Type-R. I'll spool them both up with the same line, and throw the same lures on the same rod to see if here's any noticeable casting difference, distance-wise.
sully420 reply :
Chance_taker4 what kinds of line are you using and are you using like conditioner?
DenhamBruce reply :
Just give one of the new CT models a shot, they can be had for less than 100 bucks on fleabay. I love my tatula and as long as you're setting the reel up properly with the spool tension and magnetic brakes you can't go wrong.
fishnkamp reply :
wet-dream I see you are located in southern NJ. How far from the town of Northeast MD are you. That is where all of the big tournaments go out to fish the upper Chesapeake Bay. If you were interested I would be willing to do with you exactly what I did with the other member. I would meet you at Anchor Marine and go to an area nearby for some hands on with your gear and mine. I can help with both your Tat and MGL.
That location is about an hour and 20 minutes from me.
OP here are 3 links on the Tatulas. Note Bret is talking about a Tatula SV TWS which is the latest version. It is built on the CT body. The Mag Force on all of the Tats get adjusted the same way.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 6:04 AM, sully420 said:Chance_taker4 what kinds of line are you using and are you using like conditioner?
I use the KVD Line Conditioner and at the time I used the Tats I was using 10# Mono backing and 12-15# Seagaur Red Label now it would be 8# mono backing with 10-12# Vicious Elite Pro Fluorocarbon.
offsidewing reply :
You turn all your brakes off?
Yumeya reply :
Shimano and be done with it 
xxRambo_21xx reply :
i love my CT type R. its very enjoyable.
Jeff H reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 1:44 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:
I wish I could love this post instead of like. I had a T3 Ballistic that I loved.
But...the T3's were the original T-wing reels and you hate the T-wing??
lmbfisherman reply :
It sounds like definitely user error. Sorry, but you can't blame a reel that a lot of people use and say they have backlash issues constantly. I'm sure they wouldn't be so popular then. I think you should get some help with someone who has experience with setting up a Daiwa reel.
Even though I prefer Shimano, I owned a couple Daiwa reels and in my opinion the Daiwa braking system was a little more user friendly with backlashes.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 9:11 PM, lmbfisherman said:It sounds like definitely user error. Sorry, but you can't blame a reel that a lot of people use and say they have backlash issues constantly. I'm sure they wouldn't be so popular then. I think you should get some help with someone who has experience with setting up a Daiwa reel.
Even though I prefer Shimano, I owned a couple Daiwa reels and in my opinion the Daiwa braking system was a little more user friendly with backlashes.
This is precisely why I am giving Tats another try, when I had them and got rid of them they were brand new on the market and nobody had info let alone positive reviews for them. The more I hear about them the more I now think that Daiwa reels must tune a little different that Ardent and Abu reels in which I use 97% of the time and would like to give them another shot. The Issues I were dealing with were user errors.
On 7/20/2017 at 10:28 AM, offsidewing said:You turn all your brakes off?
Yes if you read or watch videos on how to adjust a baitcaster, the proper way is to turn all magnetic brakes off adjust tension knob until lure lands on floor with no over run then apply mag brakes as needed. That is how I adjust all my reels.
Lil fat guy reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 11:52 PM, Chance_Taker4 said:Yes if you read or watch videos on how to adjust a baitcaster, the proper way is to turn all magnetic brakes off adjust tension knob until lure lands on floor with no over run then apply mag brakes as needed. That is how I adjust all my reels.
I don't think this works as well with tatulas. I think it's why some people don't like them as much. Fishnkamp knows what he's talking about on setting these up. I run my tatula ct with a little spool play too. It's not much at all but it's there. Mine just didn't cast near as well without some spool play. It seemed to wanna backlash more until I loosened the spool tension a bit. I know that's counterintuitive but that was my experience. I run mine with a little play and the mag breaks usually around 8-10 and have no problems. I think if you set it up like Fishnkamp says you will be happy. Good luck!
Tim Kelly reply :
I have mainly Daiwas with some shimanos and a couple of Abus. I prefer the daiwas overall, but found that they do require a little different casting stroke than the centrifugal braked reels. A slightly longer smoother casting stroke with less effort launches them perfectly where a shorter more powerful stroke which would work with the shimanos often leads to a backlash.
HookRz reply :
On 7/19/2017 at 11:50 PM, d-camarena said:Its not that peolle dont like shimano. Diawa makes products that stand out visually. They look nice, have nice writing on them, some also have some parts painted in colors that would appeal to a 12 year old. Thats why they are so popular nowadays. Nothing wrong with shimanos, they are every bit as good if not better that any other brand. The problem is the color schemes shimano uses appeal mostly to the older croud.
Viva the older crowd! I want my rods and reels to look like fishing tackle and my Miata to look like a sports car, not the other way around.
Seems like bright, shiny things sell these days though. Too many new bass fisherman don't really come from a outdoors tradition. They remind me more of golfers.
Rant over.
d-camarena reply :
On 7/21/2017 at 7:31 PM, HookRz said:Viva the older crowd! I want my rods and reels to look like fishing tackle and my Miata to look like a sports car, not the other way around.
Seems like bright, shiny things sell these days though. Too many new bass fisherman don't really come from a outdoors tradition. They remind me more of golfers.
Rant over.
Im in my late 20's but i find myself reaching for the "older" looking tackle. Last year i bought a lews mach2 reel, awesome reel but the color really bugs me. To the point that it is now my dedicated nephew rod
fishnkamp reply :
If you are going to set a new Tatula up like your "other " reels. SAVE YOUR MONEY. YOU WILL NOT BE HAPPY!!!!
MagForce Z brakes DO NOT work like every other reel. That is because you can not adjust the centrifugal component of the weights and springs. They are specifically designed to automatically alter the force of the magnets upon the inductor. That inductor is directly attached to the spool. It is the inductor moving within the magnetic field that helps control the initial speed up of the spool. The spool needs to be loose enough to gain speed quickly in order to get the distance, without getting ahead of the line being pulled out by the weight of your lure. This is one source of a backlash. It is also why it sounds backwards, but you get more backlashes with Tatulas if you run them without the side play. Run them loose and let the inductor do its job.
Once the lure gets out towards the end of the cast the momentum is slowing down the weights are moved back in by the spring tension. Now the control is being handled by whatever you set the external brake adjustment dial to.
These are very different animals than any other designed reel out there.
Other members have already mentioned that the reels respond best with a much less aggressive casting motion. Try being softer and smoother and distance will improve. It is a feel thing of course. My friend with his MGL was amazed how differently he needed to setup his Shimano reel than my Tatula CT. Setup wrong and each was a casting nightmare. Set them up correctly and each one was a joy to cast!
He also was amazed how different the best casting motion was for each combo. We could have exchanged reels on our rods and it would be exactly the same results.
lmbfisherman reply :
I'm trying to understand "aggressive"? I don't usually use that much force unless I'm using my BPS PQ or cheaper reel. My Shimanos run well with a nice easy motion, just trying to understand what the "aggressive" is. I let the rod do the work with the right lure range. On occasion I will chuck it to get that extra 10'..etc but that is rare. Usually get good casting without being "forceful".
Lil fat guy reply :
On 7/22/2017 at 12:06 PM, fishnkamp said:The spool needs to be loose enough to gain speed quickly in order to get the distance, without getting ahead of the line being pulled out by the weight of your lure. This is one source of a backlash. It is also why it sounds backwards, but you get more backlashes with Tatulas if you run them without the side play. Run them loose and let the inductor do its job.
Fishnkamp, I am glad you explained that. That was exactly my experience when I first got my tatula ct and I set it up wrong. I can absolutely see why someone would hate these reels if they set them up wrong. I set mine up wrong when I first got it and it was a backlashing machine...but after I set it up like you mentioned it casts great!
LxVE Bassin reply :
I am curious to know what exactly the issue was with the t-wing??? I have 2 tatula type r ct reels and they work great for me. The t-wing won't cause backlashes. Were you setting the breaks correctly?
Chance_Taker4 reply :
As I have admitted and pointed out I have was tuning the reel incorrectly when I first had them. There was not the abundance of information out when I had then since they were pre-orders and I sold then off within a month. The T-wing never caused back lashes but when on the water cutting back lashes out and retreading through the t-wing it takes me more time to thread though it than a traditional guide that's my dislike. I haven't purchased a new Tatula as of this moment as I'm still debating as to what model I what. I need a couple new reel but having already pre-order the new Revos I'm not sure what Tat I need I'm thinking a 7:1 or 8:1 for flipping is what I'll buy Friday once I get paid. I now know what I was doing wrong and will tune it the correct way and see if my opinion has changed.
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