Anyone here use PLine CX Premium line?
If so whats your thoughts on it as far as memory? abrasion? tearing off since it seems to be smaller diameter than other brands of same # test line.
I love CX premium, I use it for alot of things. Very small diameter, and breaks way above the line rating. Doesn't have the best abrasion resistance, but there is enough for me to use it in open water or light cover situations.
QuoteI love CX premium, I use it for alot of things. Very small diameter, and breaks way above the line rating. Doesn't have the best abrasion resistance, but there is enough for me to use it in open water or light cover situations.
Thanks, I mainly fish shallow rocky rivers for small mouth so now I am kind of skeptical since you say the abrasion isnt that good.
I didn't say it was bad, that is actually what I prefer for smallmouth fishing, because it has such a small diameter. When I want more abrasion resistance I use CXX Xtra strong, but the added abrasion resistance come with a huge jump in diameter. Premium has good abrasion resistance, just not as much as other lines. If you are really worried about it, look into Pline's new evolution line. Same diameter as CX, but much higher abrasion resistance. I love this line, however, it is not flourocarbon coated, which might be important to you.
The flouro coating isnt what is important, I am just looking for something, with good abrasion resistance and a smaller diameter line, and also not to bad memory wise, especially for on my spinning tube rods.
Baitcasters I dont worry as much about the memory on, but on the spinning rods I do.
Thanks for the info.
Tommy
Sounds like Evolution is worth a try to me. I'm liking it alot and it has already found its way on a few of my dedicated technique reels. Good luck man!
Thanks fourbizzle,
How easy is the evolution to see above the water? Been trying to find some pics of the line but can only find the box. Says its smoke sliver so I am thinking it will probably be pretty visable above the water.
pretty visible, although i think it blends well underwater. I've been using it on highly pressured-ultra clear waters and have been pleased. I'm using it as a replacement for Xtra strong, but I go up a line rating with it. My dad is real hard of sight and he had no problem tying knots with it.
Thanks man. Sounds like about what I been looking for.
Try #6 Yo-Zuri Hybrid Ultra Soft and you will NEVER use P-Line again.
RoadWarrior,
I been using Yo-Zuri Hybrid for the last couple years and Yo-Zuri ultra soft last year. I like them very much, never really had a problem with them, just looking to try something new this year.
If you find something you like better, PLEASE send me an PM. I am always interested in something better.
I used Yo-Zuri for awhile, I use ONLY P-line now.
I use CX in every set I cast a treble hook lure with, except jerkbaits, I just love the handling, the smaller diameter and the toughness.
I have the Evolution 25 lbs for my heavy swimbaits, so far so good but I can't say it is better than CXX.
I have tried YoZuri Hybrid a few times in #10 and it was just OK. I have been using P-Line Flouroclear based on a bait shop sales guy recommendation. No complaints so far.
P-line has given me nothing but problems. The Flouroclear breaks on the hook set and CXX is like fishing with a slinky.
Take RW's advise and stick with the Yozuri. If you feel the need for something tougher,try a braid. Like Power Pro.
well i dont wanna bash yo zori ,,, but i tryed there line ... and to say the least i didnt like it at all .... p-line cxx and cx are a huge step up IMO ;D
I use the P-line floroclear on most of my reel and have not had many problems with it. I do like to use "reel magic" on it. (like I do with Yo-zuri Hybrid) It really helps the line preform better.
Roadwarrior,
Your comment about P-Line seems a little ignorant to say the least. I USED to use Yo-Zuri quite a bit of the time but have since switched to P-Line. I understand your decision to use YoZuri, its nice stuff, but its not the best for all situations. (or any in my opinion) I understand you're a good fisherman, I'm suprised that you'd be so stuck on something like that. Maybe you should give CX Premium a try... might change your mind.
To get back on subject, I LOVE Premium. I use the 10 lb to dropshot, darthead, etc... because you can get away with the larger line weight due to diameter. If you're concerned about abrasion resistance just upsize the line weight (it will still be a smaller diameter than most other lines) The ONLY thing I don't use the premium for is cranking and frogging for obvious reasons. Other than that 10-30 lb covers all my various needs.
Ignorant? :-[ That seems a little harsh.
Man, it's just an opinion. I fished P-Line exclusively for several years, mostly CXX and Floroclear. Then I discovered Hybrid and fished it for a couple of years, but still fished CXX on my striper rod. Last winter I started fishing Hybrid Ultra Soft and have been VERY happy with it. Still, this year I have experimented with several other lines (Triple Fish, Maxima and Gamma) and in 2007 I'll probably try some other brands, maybe the P-Line CX Premium. So far the Yo-Zuri Ultra Soft is still my preferred line.
Did not mean to be harsh. By no means do I consider you to be ignorant, just that statement. I'm always caught off guard when people say that a product won't work for someone since every product works for somebody. The CXX is an excellent line... for certain things but under 90% of circumstances that Premium is phenomenal and just blows it away. I wouldn't be using the Premium if I didn't have full faith in it, both Fourbizzle and I have landed DD's on it in VERY ROCKY conditions, to me that speaks volumes about a line's capabilities. I respect your opinion and I'm glad to hear that you are experimenting to find what you feel is the best for you. My apologies if my original statement came across too harsh.
Matt
QuoteThe ONLY thing I don't use the premium for is cranking and frogging for obvious reasons. Other than that 10-30 lb covers all my various needs.
Just kind of curious as to why you dont like it for cranking? To much stretch? Sink rate?
Quote[/Did not mean to be harsh. By no means do I consider you to be ignorant, just that statement. I'm always caught off guard when people say that a product won't work for someone since every product works for somebody.quote]It's just any time the word ignorant is used, it generally comes off bad, regardless of context. Yozuri and Pline are both high quality lines, but like a few others, I tried Yozuri but like my Pline better. The Ultra Soft Hybrid is strong, castable, and abrasion resistant, but the line appears milky white instead of clear, especially when compared side by side to the Pline CXX in crystal clear I use. Stren and Trilene's clear lines are the same way, and look more white than clear. The fish may not even care, but my confidence lies in lines I perceive to be invisible. Hybrid is the thickest line per rated test than any other line I have seen, but I don't consider this a big deal if you know how to properly select a line for each technique based on diameter. You just have to go down a line class or two (and probably why RW uses 6# for soft plastics on his spinning rod, which is essentially a 10lb line).
I don't like to crank with the line for one main reason... stretch. Or rather, the lack of it! Everyone has their preferences but for me I want a line with some give when I am pounding rocks for big fish. That give is what keeps the hooks in place. For my cranking I use the P-Line CXX and for frogging I use their Spectrex. For everything else, be it jerkbait, blade, spoon, worm, etc... I use the Premium.
Both Yo-Zuri Hybrid and Hybrid Ultra Soft #6 have a diameter of .010" which is exactly the same as 6 lb test Ande Premium. Although there is no technical definition or industry standard for diameter vs. pound test rating, Ande Tournament might be the best proxy. This line is IGFA certified for pound strength and is credited with more World Line Class Records than any other.
If Ande Tournament is the standard, Yo-Zuri #6 would equate to approximately 9 lb test line. However, when compared to most other brands, this would either be equivalent to most 6 or 8 lb test lines.
Ande Tournament:
6 = .0086614"
8 = .0098425"
10 = .0118100"
Back on topic;
On your recommendation I will give the P-Line CX Premium a try. What pound test are you recommending for general use on a baitcaster?
QuoteI don't like to crank with the line for one main reason... stretch. Or rather, the lack of it! Everyone has their preferences but for me I want a line with some give when I am pounding rocks for big fish. That give is what keeps the hooks in place. For my cranking I use the P-Line CXX and for frogging I use their Spectrex. For everything else, be it jerkbait, blade, spoon, worm, etc... I use the Premium.
Thanks bud. I was actually thinking maybe it was to much stretch not the lack there of, that I like in a line. Not a big fan of stretchy lines, as I build my own rods, and build my rods to give what I want not the line.
I use to use nothing but braid, but about 2 years ago, gave up on it when I went to mainly fishing shallow rivers for small mouth.
Only thing I still use braid for is jerk baits and thats only because in the waters I fish are known for "toothy critters" and I hate watching 15+ dollar jerks swim away ;D
I am thinking of putting #6 & #8 PLine CX Premium on my spinning rods that I use for tubes/finesse fishing and then going with #12 to #17 PLine Evolution on all the baitcasters for other applications. Might even give the PLine CXX a go on a crank rod and see how I like it. What pound test would you reccomend for CXX on a cranking stick? I am thinking probably 12-14.
River Warrior,
I like to crank with 15 lb. Reason being I typically fish shallow structure (don't have to worry about getting down deep) and also because you never really know how big of a fish is going to strike at a given moment. Depending on your preferences I'd lean more toward 12 lb for general cranking as the 10 is pretty slim stuff.
Road Warrior,
I agree with you about Ande, that is definetely a hard point to argue... they do have a record, or two, or... ;D If you've got to compare to something that's not a bad route to go! As for my preference, it depends on the cover you're fishing but the 12 lb or 15 lb are great choices. Basically, any application that I use to use 10 lb line for I now use the 12 lb Premium, anything I use to use 12 lb for is now 15 lb. I really do feel that I can upsize this line with little to no negative effect. So much so that much of my blade fishing is done with the 25-30 lb in heavy cover and I get pounded in gin clear water. Again, sorry about before. You're obviously very knowledgable and have thought through the choices you've made. Its hard to argue with anyone who has thought through there actions whether you agree with them or not.
I have a question, then. Why, if Ande tournament is the gold standard, aren't y'all fishing with Ande tournament line? I have never tried it, since I first found P-Line I have never had a reason to switch. The Only reel I have that isn't spooled with P-Line is my topwater rod. It has 17 lb Sensation. I am very happy with what I use, but if there were something undeniably better, I'd switch in a heartbeat.
I think that there is one more Pline issue to address. Most of the guys that have had bad experiences with Pline have had them with Floroclear. I use to kind of dig it, until I saw the light. That stuff has about as much resilience in the rocks as tapioca pudding. I wouldn't let my nephews use that stuff to catch bluegill with. In a side by side comparison with CX or CXX, or any other premium line for that matter, floroclear is just plain awful. In the short time that I was using it, I bet I broke off 20 or 30 fish on the hookset. Miserable.
Ande isn't the Gold Standard, it is just perfectly rated for line pound strength. It is an old tech line that performs very well when a specific strength of "string" is all that is required. It has always been, and remains, The Saltwater Line. No claim to abrassion resistance, low visability or super strength. It is just a line that performs as described. Unless you are after a line size record, there are many lines that have a number of attributes that you will appreciate and that perform much better than Ande.
I tried to fish Ande for awhile, but it isn't a line most people will like. I cannot think of a single thing that I liked about the line...nothing!
I never have any problems at all with Fluoroclear, my complain was the excessive stretch but CX took care of that. I don't use anything lighter than 12lbs and that is for my deep cranking but my average depth is 10 feet, with water infested with stumps, rocks, fallen wood and submerged shopping carts anything less will break before even seen a fish.
IMHO, p-line cx is a really good line for spinning applications, low memory,small diameter decent strength. But, remember to retie after catching fish with it. I've had issues with breakoffs when I neglected to retie after cathcing a few fish. I used to use it a ton with slider fishing 8-10 lb test. Perhaps the same thing can be said about almost any line, but that's been my experience with cx over the last 10 years or so.
I did alot of shopping for Yo-Zuri ultra soft but could not find any so bought the Pline cxx in 6# test for spinning.
the diameter is .0092 which, assuming kent dropped the first zero, puts it about the 7# mark v the ande
On the back of the box are these claims
extra strong
virtually invisible
extra limp
high breaking strength
gret castablity
low memory
soft and supple
high knot strenght
Increased sensitivity
extra abrasion resistant.
What say ye to these pretty amazing claims? These are EXACTLY the factors that matter most to me.
"Low stretch" was the only claim I was looking for but did not find.
Avid, I'm a little confused by some of those stats. Did you get the CX Premium , or the CXX Extra Strong?
QuoteAvid, I'm a little confused by some of those stats. Did you get the CX Premium , or the CXX Extra Strong?
I'm sure it is CXX; the diameter he quoted seems about right (I know the 10lb is .011). He is reading off of the back of the box, so I'm sure Pline claims it has about every desirable property a line can have :). In the 6lb class, I bet even CXX doesn't have noticeable memory, and CXX's tensile strength or abrasion resistance hasn't ever been in question. I've never used CXX in 6lb, but I can imagine you score some extra bites with that thin of a line. 8lb is as small as I have the cojones to go!
CX Premium is my favorite line. I love the stuff. I fished it on all of my baitcast setups all through 2006. It has less stretch (and therefore a little more noticeably sensitive, when compared to Trilene XL). I used 15lb. test for pitching jigs & soft plastics into heavy cover (mostly wood, some rocks) all season, and only had one break off, and this was clearly due to me not checking my line after catching several fish. User error, not a product issue.
I recently got a Team Daiwa Light & Tough flipping stick and a Revo S (from Santa) and thought I'd give the CXX stuff a try--20lb. Verdict so far: thumbs way down (for me). That stuff is like fishing with speaker cable. It has the memory of an elephant. I will very shortly be switching that setup to CX premium, or maybe the new Evolution stuff.
QuoteI did alot of shopping for Yo-Zuri ultra soft but could not find any so bought the Pline cxx in 6# test for spinning.the diameter is .0092 which, assuming kent dropped the first zero, puts it about the 7# mark v the ande
On the back of the box are these claims
extra strong
virtually invisible
extra limp
high breaking strength
gret castablity
low memory
soft and supple
high knot strenght
Increased sensitivity
extra abrasion resistant.
What say ye to these pretty amazing claims? These are EXACTLY the factors that matter most to me.
"Low stretch" was the only claim I was looking for but did not find.
P Line CXX X-tra Strong is one of my favorite lines. I have used the 6# on spinning alot and without any trouble. I also use Yo-Zuri Hybrid (not the ultra soft) in 6# which has a larger diameter than the P-Line. I have no trouble with this line either. Even after it has sat on my Daiwa 2000 series spinning reel for months. I alway hear people complain about line manageablility on spinning reels and how P-line and Hybrid are too wirey. People just need to learn to spool there reels properly.
Even more important than spooling your reel properly is to use the trick of letting your line out without any lure or bait on the end and then reeling it back in. This works best in water but also on land. I believe the technique has been discussed on here before.
there's just so many kinds of P-Line that I don't even know what I really need to buy to fit my needs.
CX, CXX, Evolution, Flouroclear, Halo, PF....
I think that "ignorant" comment was not called for!
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The comment was NOT called for, but has already been addressed.
No harm, no foul.
-Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior
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avid,
I hope you follow-up your post with the results of your test. This is what I am looking for in a fishing line and what I think I have found in Yo-Zuri Hybrid Ultra Soft. If this applies to the P-Line you are trying, I'm all about it! I'm always on the hunt for the "Next New Thing!"
Keep us posted, my friend.
QuoteIf you find something you like better, PLEASE send me an PM. I am always interested in something better.
Gamma Copolymer. I tried it last year on an experiment basis on one of my rigs. I had no problems with Yo-Zuri I just wanted to try something else. I like it a lot and it's a step above Yo-Zuri across the board. It is VERY strong and knew it over-tested but I could never find info about. Finally the info is published in the New Master Fishing Catalog from Cabela's. They have also added new colors. It is now on ALL my rigs.