New Sufix Advanced Co-Polymer Mono 2025
Hulkster reply :
anyone tried this yet? As I huge lover of Sufix Siege for both casting and spinning, the 50% less stretch properties of this mono has me intrigued.
the few scattered reviews I have found online are so far very positive but I'm curious as to what the experts (all of you) actually think.
Thanks
GReb reply :
Someone on YouTube did a very in depth review and gave it a positive score. I don’t remember exactly who it was but it shouldn’t be hard to find.
Stephen B reply :
I used Suffix Advanced co-polymer with no issues at all. It seems to be very good line, but I was not blown away with it. But I definitely think it's worth trying to form your own opinion.
Choporoz reply :
Not familiar with it. What should we be comparing it to?
Tim Kelly reply :
I've got a few hours in on some 6lb on my ned rod. I like it. it's well behaved, I've had no unexplained break offs or problems with twist. Not sure it's that revolutionary, I think it's a bit more sensitive than P line CXX, but it's hard to be absolute about it when I fish with such a slack line most of the time. I will get more when I've used the 6 up. I have some 15 that I haven't spooled up yet.
Stephen B reply :
On 8/15/2018 at 12:48 AM, Tim Kelly said:I've got a few hours in on some 6lb on my ned rod. I like it. it's well behaved, I've had no unexplained break offs or problems with twist. Not sure it's that revolutionary, I think it's a bit more sensitive than P line CXX, but it's hard to be absolute about it when I fish with such a slack line most of the time. I will get more when I've used the 6 up. I have some 15 that I haven't spooled up yet.
Your experience is very similar to mine thus far. I'll keep using it for a bit and see if my opinion changes any.
Hulkster reply :
This is probably the in depth review mentioned earlier. Looks like awesome stuff.
Now my question is how strong is it compared to Siege? last week i got my mepps #5 spinner caught in some rocks and the hook bent before my 12 pound Siege broke and I got my lure back. Made a believer out of me (note: knot used was a palomar knot). Is it just as strong?
Brad in Texas reply :
I've watched several reviews, all give it fairly positive assessments, remarks.
Interesting, this one, as co-polymers go. With the added material common to braids. It is claimed they use a magnetic source to draw these fibers outward on the line as it is extruded. Many of you know that this is why re-bar or now often one sees fiberglass fibers are added to give concrete strength. Perhaps, the same objective is being used here.
One thing for sure and that is Sufix generally produces above average products.
So, what would we use it for, what applications? I think it could be a great line for various finesse techniques, certainly on spinning reels.
What will make it take off and sell really well is if it behaves on casting reels. Co-polymers could be the wave of the future if it catches a few breaks, another few innovations happen.
Brad
nighthawk25 reply :
I just spooled up some 10 and 12# the other night and haven't used it yet. I did try to test the stretch on the 12#. It had roughly the same amount as Sunline Sniper FC 12#. It had about 50% the stretch of Big Game 12#. I've got my fingers crossed that it'll work on my crankin' rod. (me & fluorocarbon don't get along)
Stephen B reply :
On 8/15/2018 at 2:29 AM, nighthawk25 said:I just spooled up some 10 and 12# the other night and haven't used it yet. I did try to test the stretch on the 12#. It had roughly the same amount as Sunline Sniper FC 12#. It had about 50% the stretch of Big Game 12#. I've got my fingers crossed that it'll work on my crankin' rod. (me & fluorocarbon don't get along)
Interesting. Why don't you get along with fluorocarbon? Which fluorocarbon have you tried?
nighthawk25 reply :
I've tried Vanish, after checking other reviews I saw I wasn't the only one. So I decided to go with a better quality, the Sniper FC and had the same results. Line breaking 15-20 yds from the crankbait and also a few knot issues which were likely my fault.
Stephen B reply :
On 8/15/2018 at 2:40 AM, nighthawk25 said:I've tried Vanish, after checking other reviews I saw I wasn't the only one. So I decided to go with a better quality, the Sniper FC and had the same results. Line breaking 15-20 yds from the crankbait and also a few knot issues which were likely my fault.
That is interesting. I have yet to have a problem from Seaguar or Sunline. Did you notice any abrasion issues or did it just random broke?
The knot issue is fairly easy to solve. Tie a double pitzen knot. You can go to YouTube for a demonstration. It's a phenomenal knot.
Hulkster reply :
QuoteWhat will make it take off and sell really well is if it behaves on casting reels.
Are other Copolymer lines known to be troublesome on casting gear? I was always under the impression that they could be stiff and therefore not well behaved on spinning gear, but I thought all was good with casting gear?
J Francho reply :
Depenmds on each formula. KVD L&L helps tame the worst offenders like my favorite CXX.
Steve1357 reply :
I'm tickled using the inexpensive Sufix Tritanium copolymer you get at Academy. The 10 thru 20lb has worked great for me.
nighthawk25 reply :
On 8/15/2018 at 3:03 AM, Stephen B said:That is interesting. I have yet to have a problem from Seaguar or Sunline. Did you notice any abrasion issues or did it just random broke?
The knot issue is fairly easy to solve. Tie a double pitzen knot. You can go to YouTube for a demonstration. It's a phenomenal knot.
Mine just broke randomly. The areas I was fishing were deep and there wasn't rock or brush there either.
J Francho reply :
On 8/15/2018 at 2:40 AM, nighthawk25 said:I've tried Vanish, after checking other reviews I saw I wasn't the only one. So I decided to go with a better quality, the Sniper FC and had the same results. Line breaking 15-20 yds from the crankbait and also a few knot issues which were likely my fault.
Check you guides for chips with a cotton swab.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 8/15/2018 at 3:37 AM, Hulkster said:Are other Copolymer lines known to be troublesome on casting gear? I was always under the impression that they could be stiff and therefore not well behaved on spinning gear, but I thought all was good with casting gear?
Try some AN40.
Paul Roberts reply :
No idea. But, if you zoom up to the image above you'll see that the "12lb" has a diameter of .014". That's akin to 14lb Trilene XL, or Stren original. The only way to compare lines is by diameter. Break ratings are marketing categories, not real data.
Choporoz reply :
Copolymer mono...looks like someone in marketing was playing with us...like stereophonic mono?
J Francho reply :
On 2/27/2019 at 11:24 PM, Paul Roberts said:Break ratings are marketing categories, not real data.
Not always. "Test" ratings are different than break strengths. Some are true. For instance, Seaguar Finesse. That's how you get weird break strengths, like 7.2 lbs. for a 6# size line. Daiwa and Maxima are two other that I know of that are accurate. If you are so inclined to spend $40, IGFA will perform tests.
https://igfa.org/line-testing/
Brad Reid reply :
On 2/27/2019 at 11:24 PM, Paul Roberts said:No idea. But, if you zoom up to the image above you'll see that the "12lb" has a diameter of .014". That's akin to 14lb Trilene XL, or Stren original. The only way to compare lines is by diameter. Break ratings are marketing categories, not real data.
Paul is "spot on" here regarding what we all need to use for making line comparisons: line size.
There is a well-known formulaic relationship between the cross-sectional area of a line or a rope or even a human muscle . . . and its tensile strength.
Comparing a .14" line diameter to another with, say, .16", this irrespective of stated test strength claims, is "apples and oranges."
Brad
J Francho reply :
On 2/27/2019 at 11:34 PM, Choporoz said:Copolymer mono...looks like someone in marketing was playing with us...like stereophonic mono?
Why can't a monofilament line be made from a copolymer? The first means single filament, the second refers to the formulation of the single filament. Not everything is marketing. Sometimes companies actually tell you what their products are and do. Believe it or not, some genuinely want to create a better product. That's how profitable companies are run. Not by making things up. By the way, most nylon monofilaments these days are copolymers.
NYWayfarer reply :
On 2/27/2019 at 11:34 PM, Choporoz said:Copolymer mono...looks like someone in marketing was playing with us...like stereophonic mono?
That's a genuine imitation line.
WRB reply :
On 8/15/2018 at 1:47 AM, Hulkster said:
This is probably the in depth review mentioned earlier. Looks like awesome stuff.
Now my question is how strong is it compared to Siege? last week i got my mepps #5 spinner caught in some rocks and the hook bent before my 12 pound Siege broke and I got my lure back. Made a believer out of me (note: knot used was a palomar knot). Is it just as strong?
All you need to know is on the label, line diameter. I did a line dia comparison back in July 2018 in Monofilament Line.
Tom
Hulkster reply :
ok but just because a mono or copoly have the same diameter doesn't necessarily mean they have the same breaking strength.
for example, I would be willing to bet that 0.015" Big game is harder to break than say, 0.015" trilene XL
Paul Roberts reply :
On 2/27/2019 at 11:34 PM, Choporoz said:Copolymer mono...looks like someone in marketing was playing with us...like stereophonic mono?
Monofilament simply means a single strand, vs multi-strand, which is usually braided. Monos can be made from a mix of polymers (essentially plastics).
On 2/27/2019 at 11:48 PM, J Francho said:Why can't a monofilament line be made from a copolymer? The first means single filament, the second refers to the formulation of the single filament. Not everything is marketing. Sometimes companies actually tell you what their products are and do. Believe it or not, some genuinely want to create a better product. That's how profitable companies are run. Not by making things up. By the way, most nylon monofilaments these days are copolymers.
My comment did not mean that manufacturers don't care about making good products. Diameter is straightforward to measure. Break strength is not. A number of variables appear to make a straight comparison difficult in real world fishing: whether line is wet of dry, knot strength, abrasion resistance, and manageability requirements. This makes fitting a given line formula to a given angler tough to do, esp against all the competition out there.
What I'm calling attention to is the diameter of any said "12lb" line. They can vary greatly in diameter, and therefore break strength. If you look at break tests you'll see that, when lines are adjusted for diameter, they are ballpark close in tensile strength. They are highly competitive and virtually interchangeable. But break ratings provided by manufacturers on the box are all over the place, bc diameters are not held constant!
As an example, Trilene XL 12lb is .012, while Trilene XT 12lb is .015. This is not unprecedented in the industry. Most "abrasion resistant" lines are a heck of a lot thicker than their "manageable" counterparts. And they break at a much higher value. And, yes, they are more abrasion resistant, especially when wet -which is what counts. But the effects on presentation makes comparing a "12lb" line with another "12lb" line, essentially dead in the water.
Is this deceitful on the part of manufacturers? I doubt it. I actually wouldn't know what it takes to market something as potentially frustrating as fishing line to a public that doesn't really want to know all the details, but just wants to go catch some fish. At least at the scale a manufacturer's viewpoint. But when I sold mono fishing lines at a tackle shop, I at least compared them by diameter. After that, we could start talking additional properties.
In terms of presentation (depth, speed, action, water disturbance, etc) diameter rules. Diameter also accounts for a greater proportion of all "fishability" properties we buy lines for. I've simply come to ignore "break rating" and compare mono lines by diameter. I don't really know what manufacturers are thinking when they take a line that breaks at 17lbs and measures .015", and label it a "12lb" line. I'm baffled by that one. Have been for... decades now.
Another case in point. Berkley Vanish FC ended up hated by bass fishers, bc it broke. But, it's a manageable FC; A "walleye" line. The only bass guys not complaining about Vanish I noticed were using 14lb or 17lb. Then came Berkley's "bass" formula, dubbed "100%". It was under-rated in break strength, like XT to XL. No problem, I just used the "6lb" as an "8lb" and the "8lb" as a "10lb", etc..
But... why? Is it an attempt to add choice, that really scarcely exists? This is not to say that lines aren't continuing to evolve, and I'm all for the innovation. But reliance on "lb test" without regard to diameter is a head-scratcher.
When I go to buy a new line, I look at diameter. It'll account for more properties we buy mono lines for than any other property, and is the primary influence on presentation. After diameter, we can look at other properties different line formula's possess.
J Francho reply :
Remember that flat line meant only for casting? That stuff was terrible.
Paul Roberts reply :
On 2/28/2019 at 9:08 AM, Hulkster said:ok but just because a mono or copoly have the same diameter doesn't necessarily mean they have the same breaking strength.
for example, I would be willing to bet that 0.015" Big game is harder to break than say, 0.015" trilene XL
I would guess that BG and XL have similar tensile strengths. But BG is/was meant to lean toward shock resistance while XL leaned toward manageability. Formulas do get updated however. All lines now have more impact resistance ("toughness") built in at the molecular level.
Not sure how XL compares anymore. I haven't used it for years now. I went to XT, (which appears to have changed quite a bit over the years) and have been using Sensation, pretty much interchangeably with XT, as well.
Elkins45 reply :
On 3/1/2019 at 8:10 AM, J Francho said:Remember that flat line meant only for casting? That stuff was terrible.
I do. It was a flattened oval in cross section. I used it once. It was sort of like casting with zip ties.
keagbassr reply :
On 3/1/2019 at 11:17 AM, Elkins45 said:I do. It was a flattened oval in cross section. I used it once. It was sort of like casting with zip ties.
Oh man! I remember that crap. Think it was called stren 7/20, or something like that.
Paul Roberts reply :
The only good use I knew of for "flat" mono, was when used for "monofilament nymphing", or bait fishing, using fly-fishing gear, which helped in fishing deep, esp in really cold water, when fly-lines were too thick, and would ice up. Flat mono was less apt to tangle in hand so you could strip it in, like you would with fly-lines. I didn't know it was ever used for conventional tackle. I assume it would be a nightmare on spinning tackle! For mono-nymphing, I just went to spinning tackle, or levelwind gear (steelhead). I was never married to my fly-tackle, as much as I loved FF.
Bobby F reply :
Hey Guys I have been using it for reaction baits mostly cranking and spinnerbaits and its been amazing you have to go by diameter not pound , Its bigger then others i have been using 6 ,8 , and 10 for deep cranking and 10 and 12 for shallow and lipless with great results .. Cast great and i like it better then floro ..
zell_pop1 reply :
On 8/15/2018 at 4:53 PM, nighthawk25 said:Mine just broke randomly. The areas I was fishing were deep and there wasn't rock or brush there either.
Did you have an overrun? Fluoro breaks in the spool after you've had one. It is why I quit using Yo Zuri , random breaks in the spool not the knot, especially with 12lb up Yo Zuri which is management challenged. I did try Trilene 100% and had the same problem.
nighthawk25 reply :
On 6/22/2019 at 8:37 AM, zell_pop1 said:Did you have an overrun? Fluoro breaks in the spool after you've had one. It is why I quit using Yo Zuri , random breaks in the spool not the knot, especially with 12lb up Yo Zuri which is management challenged. I did try Trilene 100% and had the same problem.
Yeah probably. I wasnt very experienced with baitcasters yet.
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