If not Braid, what else is there? 2024
ArcticCat500 reply :
I've been pounding baits on braid for some time now and really like the non stretch factor for hook sets, but find it gets beat down in a hurry, other options besides braid that may have little to no stretch?
Uncle Leo reply :
I fish a lot of clear lakes and never could get past the possibility of Braid being to visible. I used fluorocarbon to limit stretch and increase sensitivity. This is a possible alternative.
roadwarrior reply :
Many of our members tie a fluorocarbon leader to braid.
Best of both worlds? Fish Chris seems to think so.
8-)
Verewolf reply :
Fireline.
Just started using it and really like it a lot.
Depending on the situation I use a fluorocarbon leader or P-Line's Floroclear.
Grey Wolf reply :
What do you mean by your statement of "gets beat down" ?
ArcticCat500 reply :
QuoteWhat do you mean by your statement of "gets beat down" ?
seems to wear and fray, although most of my fishing is not rocky, I do tend to hit a few spots that include rocks...Im thinking a couple casts over rocks shouldnt kill it that fast.
SoFl-native reply :
what braid are you using?
ArcticCat500 reply :
PowerPro...
David P reply :
QuoteI fish a lot of clear lakes and never could get past the possibility of Braid being to visible. I used fluorocarbon to limit stretch and increase sensitivity. This is a possible alternative.
Leader!
I fish braid on I believe 14 of my 16 setups. All but 3 of those I have leaders tied on ranging from 6lb - 25lb pline cxx .
Braid is great, I'm not sure what you mean about beat down, but I have the same braid on for a few months at a time without any problems, I just change the leaders.
Raul reply :
Braid doesn 't do well when rubbed against rocks, the tournament guys from northeast Mexico learned that lesson the hard way when fishing tournaments down here in the canyon reservoirs in central Mexico where their 50-65 lb braid snapped on a regular basis.
You should have seen their faces when they saw us fishing with 6/8/10 lb test copoly or FC.
ArcticCat500 reply :
QuoteQuoteI fish a lot of clear lakes and never could get past the possibility of Braid being to visible. I used fluorocarbon to limit stretch and increase sensitivity. This is a possible alternative.Leader!
I fish braid on I believe 14 of my 16 setups. All but 3 of those I have leaders tied on ranging from 6lb - 25lb pline cxx .
Braid is great, I'm not sure what you mean about beat down, but I have the same braid on for a few months at a time without any problems, I just change the leaders.
its like it frays alot...but I cant imagine a few casts over a few rocks will beat it up that bad..
Bantam1 reply :
Check your guides on the rod to make sure there are no cuts or chips. Rocks can fray braided line. This is because braided line is typically thinner diameter it will feel the effects of sharp rocks much quicker than mono or FC in some situations.
SirSnookalot reply :
Been fishing braid many years on all my set ups 10/20 with leaders up to 40# depending on species. Place I fish have lots of timber, rocks, coral and barnacles, even leaders get cut off there when you have a good fish on. The braid shows no bad wear as described, I use PP as well.
I only use braid except where it's forbidden.
Wayne P. reply :
You only other option for no/low stretch is a fused superline. Those have less stretch than the braids. The downside of those is fraying is more evident with age/use. Fireline Fused is the only one I can think of.
Low/no stretch fluorocarbon line is a myth.
SammyLee reply :
QuoteI fish a lot of clear lakes and never could get past the possibility of Braid being to visible. I used fluorocarbon to limit stretch and increase sensitivity. This is a possible alternative.
There's been a whole big thread on the stretch or lack there of for fluro. It seems some good tests indicated that it had the same as mono for the most part. That was a surprise to me as my 10# fluro seemed to have much better hooksets.
I'll never believe that fluro has the same sensitivity as mono. With fluro I can feel a worm touch a twig or a dink's kiss.
Wayne P. reply :
SammyLee, flurocarbon line does transmit vibration better than nylon mono because it is denser and thus more sensitive.
dodgeguy reply :
i fish deep diving cranks on fireline braid 65 /15 diameter over rocks all day without a retie.yes it frays slightly after a whole day but it never snaps!!!i walk the crank up and down the rocks with it.this is yet another area where i think it surpasses all other braids.
RoLo reply :
You show that box one more time,
and I'm switching back to PowerPro
Roger
Wayne P. reply :
Don't forget about this box:
Grey Wolf reply :
I'm beginning to have a strong dis-like for that box also.
lightsout reply :
I dont believe for one second braid of equal diameter has less abrasion resistance than mono/copolys. After catchin 4 or 5 bass on baits where the lure is in the fish's mouth (causing the line to rub on their teeth) my hybrid and cxx need to be retied. With powerpro its not an issue. I fish the fall line on the james alot (the rivers 400 yards across and covered in rock) with cranks and have no issues with power pro. Mono on the other hand...
Look at how hard it is to cut braid versus other lines....The fact you can bite through mono with your teeth but need special scissors to cut the braid should tell ya something...
As far as I'm concerned based on years of on the water experience, this simply holds no weight with me.....
CHEVYRIDAZ reply :
I like the BPS XPS in smaller sizes. The bigger sizes are very stiff and harder to cast!
J Francho reply :
QuoteI dont believe for one second braid of equal diameter has less abrasion resistance than mono/copolys. After catchin 4 or 5 bass on baits where the lure is in the fish's mouth (causing the line to rub on their teeth) my hybrid and cxx need to be retied. With powerpro its not an issue. I fish the fall line on the james alot (the rivers 400 yards across and covered in rock) with cranks and have no issues with power pro. Mono on the other hand...Look at how hard it is to cut braid versus other lines....The fact you can bite through mono with your teeth but need special scissors to cut the braid should tell ya something...
As far as I'm concerned based on years of on the water experience, this simply holds no weight with me.....
I'll send you a clump of zebra mussels that says your wrong. 
Skunked in DR reply :
I wish they made braid scissors out of zebra mussels...
J Francho reply :
LOL, no joke, huh?
J Francho reply :
And for anyone worried about a bass's teeth cutting their CXX (LMBO at this notion), here is a 37" 12-8 Northern Pike caught on a small Luck Craft crankbait. The bait was swallowed deeply, about 7" inside the pike's mouth. No leader. The line? 8# CXX.
Raul reply :
QuoteI dont believe for one second braid of equal diameter has less abrasion resistance than mono/copolys. After catchin 4 or 5 bass on baits where the lure is in the fish's mouth (causing the line to rub on their teeth) my hybrid and cxx need to be retied. With powerpro its not an issue. I fish the fall line on the james alot (the rivers 400 yards across and covered in rock) with cranks and have no issues with power pro. Mono on the other hand...Look at how hard it is to cut braid versus other lines....The fact you can bite through mono with your teeth but need special scissors to cut the braid should tell ya something...
As far as I'm concerned based on years of on the water experience, this simply holds no weight with me.....
You are welcomed to fish at Zimapán with me any time you want to find it out on your own.
roadwarrior reply :
QuoteThe bait was swallowed deeply, about 7" inside the pike's mouth.
Ouch!
Did that turn the big girl into one of those rare subspecies,
Filet-O-Fish?
J Francho reply :
Actually, I was able to stop the bleeding with some cola, and the fish swam away without issue. We were there all day, and we spotted it setting up on the reeds, presumably to rest. The fish looked like it would do fine, which was good - I did not want to take that smelly thing home to eat. Little axe handles caught in spring from cold streams are great eating, but big honking slobs living in the frogwater at the end of summer are disgusting. You just cannot imagine the smell. Even the blood smelled bad.
Oh yeah, picked up a set of looooong pliers, and some sevenstrand. Going back tomorrow, LOL.
CHEVYRIDAZ reply :
That is a BEAUTIFUL fish J Francho! I have to try some of that CXX too.
rubba bubba reply :
How did you use the cola to stop the bleeding?
ArcticCat500 reply :
special scissors to cut braid? I think not, a pair of fiskars kids scissors at wal-mart will do the trick.
maybe I'll jus go with a leader....nice fish J Francho
J Francho reply :
QuoteHow did you use the cola to stop the bleeding?
Just poured it on the source of the bleeding. Mountain Dew is the most recommended, but I've had luck with Coke, Pepsi, Diet Pesi, and Diet Wild Cherry Pepsi as well. I bet plain old soda water would work too. We used to use that to briefly anesthetize larger tropical fish and koi that needed medical attention.
Gomer Pyle reply :
I think I'll stick with....
Grey Wolf reply :
QuoteI think I'll stick with....
Dodgeguy will puke when he see's that picture.
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