Magnesium vs Aluminium reels 2024
deep reply :
Is their any advantage to a reel with an Mg frame vs one with an aluminium frame (other than weight)?
I was browsing the Enthusiast Resource forum (TT lol) and came across a post that I thought was remarkable.
**It's not your imagination that some reels feel better/more sensitive with some applications and on different rods. I agree that the lighter magnesium framed reels tend to feel better with bottom contact baits.**
Guess it depends on how you hold the rod, and I suppose balance has something to do with it. But riddle me this, won't a rod balance better with a heavier (ie Aluminium) reel?
@Delaware Valley Tackle
EvanT123 reply :
No the proper way to do it is get the lightest weight reel you can and add weight to the rod
On 1/18/2016 at 8:01 AM, deep said:But riddle me this, won't a rod balance better with a heavier (ie Aluminium) reel?
@Delaware Valley Tackle
Logan S reply :
I would imagine that different metals could transmit vibrations/movement differently...Whether Magnesium is 'more sensitive' (transmits better) than Aluminum or vice-versa I can't say. I have noticed that different reels on the same rod can have a different feeling, but I've always chalked that up to ergonomics.
Interesting idea though...
Jaheff reply :
I personally think it's more about confidence. My lightest Mag set ups make me feel like i'm a better angler, and that i can detect the lightest of bites. Does it in reality...not that i can tell.
Jrob78 reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 8:36 AM, Logan S said:I would imagine that different metals could transmit vibrations/movement differently...Whether Magnesium is 'more sensitive' (transmits better) than Aluminum or vice-versa I can't say. I have noticed that different reels on the same rod can have a different feeling, but I've always chalked that up to ergonomics.
Interesting idea though...
I agree, I think he's saying that magnesium transmits vibrations better than aluminum. I have reels made of both materials and never really noticed a difference one way or the other.
soflabasser reply :
Have tried both and have noticed that it doesn't make a difference. What matters most is the type of lure you use and how you fish it.
Jaheff reply :
So now were detecting bites by the vibration in our reels? Guess i scored, cause i only bought them for their light weight.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
IMO the role reels play in Rod balance is way over played. For one thing the reel is right at the fulcrum. Secondly each persons grip is a little different. Sensitivity is positively affected by a lower weight to rigidity ratio. If MG is as rigid aluminum but lighter, in theory it should aid sensitivity. Sensitivity can't be measured and the human element can't be accounted for do its all personal preference in the end.
tater555 reply :
I can definitely tell a difference, I swapped out my zillion for a tdz and the tdz did seem to transmit the vibrations better on the same rod. There was one difference, the zillion is spooled with 16lb sniper and the tdz had 14lb sniper. I think that less mass helps sensitivity more than the metal the reel is made of, but I could wrong.
Raul reply :
I own several magnesium reels and that is just one huge steaming recently dropped pile of bull ........ Similar to the one you saw the Triceratops left in Jurassic Park. Magnesium reels have a particular plasticky hollow feel and do sound different but that feel is limited to reel, the rod has no part in that sensation.
Catt reply :
I don't know about y'all but when this dumb Cajun gets a bite it travels up my line, down my rod, to my fingers, which I feel long before it ever reaches my reel.
If ya waiting for a bite to reach your rod ya late!
hawgenvy reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 9:39 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:IMO the role reels play in Rod balance is way over played. For one thing the reel is right at the fulcrum. Secondly each persons grip is a little different. Sensitivity is positively affected by a lower weight to rigidity ratio. If MG is as rigid aluminum but lighter, in theory it should aid sensitivity. Sensitivity can't be measured and the human element can't be accounted for do its all personal preference in the end.
Aluminum is about 1.5 times as heavy as magnesium. It is also about 1.5 times as rigid. Based on what you are saying, it's a wash.
hawgenvy reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 9:39 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:IMO the role reels play in Rod balance is way over played. For one thing the reel is right at the fulcrum. Secondly each persons grip is a little different. Sensitivity is positively affected by a lower weight to rigidity ratio. If MG is as rigid aluminum but lighter, in theory it should aid sensitivity. Sensitivity can't be measured and the human element can't be accounted for do its all personal preference in the end.
Sensitivity can be measured as vibration intensity. Vibration can be measured using several types of devices, either by an tiny accelerometer attached to the the device or a laser that measures displacement of the surface in response to a stimulus (the stimulus could be a mechanical tweaking of a fishing line attached to the reel at a fixed length and tension). Any volunteers want to set this experiment up in their basement? There's plenty of time left till bass season in the frigid north.
hawgenvy reply :
There seems to be very little science in bass fishing, considering how technological it is. There is clearly a lot of engineering that goes into fishing equipment, but little of that seems to filter down to reviews. Reviewers of bass fishing equipment seldom provide accurate comparisons across brands. Contrast that with automobile or bicycle reviews. Reviewers of bicycle wheels, for instance, may measure weight, rolling resistance, aerodynamics, rigidity, and sensitivity across brands. Rod reviewers, manufacturers, and retailers rarely mention even the weight of the rods, just that they are "extremely light weight" and "super sensitive." A new reel in the line up may be described as "more sensitive." We should just take the manufacturers at their word? Or believe some random guy that just spent a fortune on a piece of equipment and tried it out a couple of times? Give us more science. More data. Better reviews. Please. We deserve that because we spend a ton of money on this stuff.
hawgenvy reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 9:39 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:IMO the role reels play in Rod balance is way over played. For one thing the reel is right at the fulcrum. Secondly each persons grip is a little different. Sensitivity is positively affected by a lower weight to rigidity ratio. If MG is as rigid aluminum but lighter, in theory it should aid sensitivity. Sensitivity can't be measured and the human element can't be accounted for do its all personal preference in the end.
Aluminum alloy is 1.5 times more rigid than Mg.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/modulus-rigidity-d_946.html
soflabasser reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 12:58 PM, hawgenvy said:There seems to be very little science in bass fishing, considering how technological it is. There is clearly a lot of engineering that goes into fishing equipment, but little of that seems to filter down to reviews. Reviewers of bass fishing equipment seldom provide accurate comparisons across brands. Contrast that with automobile or bicycle reviews. Reviewers of bicycle wheels, for instance, may measure weight, rolling resistance, aerodynamics, rigidity, and sensitivity across brands. Rod reviewers, manufacturers, and retailers rarely mention even the weight of the rods, just that they are "extremely light weight" and "super sensitive." A new reel in the line up may be described as "more sensitive." We should just take the manufacturers at their word? Or believe some random guy that just spent a fortune on a piece of equipment and tried it out a couple of times? Give us more science. More data. Better reviews. Please. We deserve that because we spend a ton of money on this stuff.
I agree with you 100%
Molay1292 reply :
While MG is the lightest structural metal available, it has incredible dampening ability, as much as 10X greater than aluminum. They use it to mount very delicate electronic instruments in modern aircraft because it is so quiet. (as in no vibration)
What I wonder about fishing reels is just how much MG is contained in the alloy the frames are made of. I would bet that it is not nearly as high as some would have you believe. The reason I mention this is that when you run dry ceramic bearings in a MG reel they almost always seem to be louder than in an AL reel.
Catt reply :
It all depends on whose hands the reel is in period!
Everyone's "sense" of feel is different as is their brain's ability to interpret what's being felt.
In my wife's hands it would not matter what line, rod, or reel was used because what was transmitted up the line, down the rod, to the hands would be lost by the brain. The reason is not due to a lack of sensitivity but a lack of experience in her brain as to what to feel for. Subtle vibrations that I would feel would go unnoticed by her.
Y'all wanna talk "science" then "sensitivity" of lines, rods, or reels is the wrong word, all three transmit vibrations which are felt by our hands.
As I mentioned earlier ya should "sense" the bite long before it gets to your reel!
A-Jay reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 8:40 PM, Catt said:It all depends on whose hands the reel is in period!
Everyone's "sense" of feel is different as is their brain's ability to interpret what's being felt.
In my wife's hands it would not matter what line, rod, or reel was used because what was transmitted up the line, down the rod, to the hands would be lost by the brain. The reason is not due to a lack of sensitivity but a lack of experience in her brain as to what to feel for. Subtle vibrations that I would feel would go unnoticed by her.
Y'all wanna talk "science" then "sensitivity" of lines, rods, or reels is the wrong word, all three transmit vibrations which are felt by our hands.
As I mentioned earlier ya should "sense" the bite long before it gets to your reel!
Agreed ~ and I'll go on to say that I don't want to feel anything about my casting reel at all - ever.
Just collect the line quietly & smoothly while I fish please.
A-Jay
Raul reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 12:33 PM, hawgenvy said:Sensitivity can be measured as vibration intensity. Vibration can be measured using several types of devices, either by an tiny accelerometer attached to the the device or a laser that measures displacement of the surface in response to a stimulus (the stimulus could be a mechanical tweaking of a fishing line attached to the reel at a fixed length and tension). Any volunteers want to set this experiment up in their basement? There's plenty of time left till bass season in the frigid north.
But you can't measure perception.
hawgenvy reply :
On 1/18/2016 at 8:49 PM, A-Jay said:Agreed ~ and I'll go on to say that I don't want to feel anything about my casting reel at all - ever.
Just collect the line quietly & smoothly while I fish please.
A-Jay
I agree. Sensitive rod: definitely. Sensitive line: maybe. Sensitive reel: irrelevant marketing concept.
WRB reply :
Got to wonder how we managed to catch bass 20 to 50 years ago without state of the art materials used today! The rods and reels were too heavy, the line wasn't super braid or FC and we did catch big bass consistantly using the same techniques then as we do today, relying on our sense of touch and eye sight.
Magnesium is an interesting metal without natural harmonics that transfer vibration, very dead and the reason it's used to make vibration test fixtures. Any vibration the line may transfer is lost with magnesium. Another factor besides being lighter density than aluminum is it's also further down the galvanic chart making it more sacrificial then aluminum to corrosion when subjected to electrolytes like salt water or acid fuels.
The use of high strength composite materials that are lighter weight and impervious to corrosion are far better choices than magnesium.
Tom
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/19/2016 at 3:05 AM, WRB said:
The use of high strength composite materials that are lighter weight and impervious to corrosion are far better choices than magnesium.
Tom
I'd take a magnesium framed reel over a composite frame any day.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Bow risers are made of mg to dampen the shock from the realease .i know it works also i have shot both and beleive me you a aluminum bow will vibrate way more then a mg for a split second
WRB reply :
Magnesium isn't a high strength metal, about 1/2 the tensile strength of 7075-T6 aluminum or about 1/4 the strength of titanium and about 75% the strength of PEEK thermal plastic.
Not all metals are stronge and make good reel frames.
Tom
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/19/2016 at 4:47 AM, WRB said:Magnesium isn't a high strength metal, about 1/2 the tensile strength of 7075-T6 aluminum or about 1/4 the strength of titanium and about 75% the strength of PEEK thermal plastic.
Not all metals are stronge and make good reel frames.
Tom
Well I better sell my steez then before the weak magnesium frame breaks. Do you have any recommendations for titanium or peek thermal plastic framed reels? 
WRB reply :
On 1/19/2016 at 8:01 AM, smallie.mike said:Well I better sell my steez then before the weak magnesium frame breaks. Do you have any recommendations for titanium or peek thermal plastic framed reels?
Touché !
deep reply :
You guys fight too much.
Catt reply :
I just don't understand the need to feel anything through the reel?
All 3 materials will dampen any vibration given off by the bite & would not be reliable in trying to determine if it's a bite or something else.
My reel is in the palm of my hand while my fingers or on my rod; I feel more minute vibrations through my fingers than my palm.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Ill.add to what Catt says ,,,not only that but line movement and rod tip movement i see and feel about the same time and it aint my reel i feel it through its my fingers ,,when i start cranking then i feel it .
WPCfishing reply :
I haven't noticed a difference between my Lews Mag and my Team Lite reels while casting or working any bait. I think owning the mag framed reel is more a novelty.
I want two more reels, I'll buy Aluminum frames. One novelty reel is enough for me. The Lews Tournament Pro and Team Lite reels suit me just fine.
Cgrinder reply :
For whatever reason, the '13 Met feels very good and there's something about it that seems to enhance feedback. I'm a believer after reading the TT threads and trying it, but I'm not sure frame material is the explanation as to why.
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/19/2016 at 10:50 AM, deep said:You guys fight too much.
I wasn't fighting, I was just being a smart***.
*Hootie reply :
WOW!!...Is everybody's lake frozen?
Hootie
greywalls reply :
I don't like mag. owing to its propensity to look like crap if it's within 50 miles of water, generally, and especially so within 5 ft of anything that even smacks of salinity. IMHO, mag. = marketing... Not functionality. I'm sure many will disagree with me...
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 6:40 AM, greywalls said:I don't like mag. owing to its propensity to look like crap if it's within 50 miles of water, generally, and especially so within 5 ft of anything that even smacks of salinity. IMHO, mag. = marketing... Not functionality. I'm sure many will disagree with me...
Not to argue, but I do have to disagree with this statement. I have several MG reels, some 15+ years old that still look fantastic. I can honestly say that none of the MG reels that I own show any unusual wear or corrosion. Anyone else?
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 6:55 AM, Molay1292 said:Not to argue, but I do have to disagree with this statement. I have several MG reels, some 15+ years old that still look fantastic. I can honestly say that none of the MG reels that I own show any unusual wear or corrosion. Anyone else?
Mine don't show any corrosion, BUT they've never been near any saltwater.
greywalls reply :
On 1/20/2016 at 6:55 AM, Molay1292 said:Not to argue, but I do have to disagree with this statement. I have several MG reels, some 15+ years old that still look fantastic. I can honestly say that none of the MG reels that I own show any unusual wear or corrosion. Anyone else?
It's encouraging to hear that yours have held up well. I have owned only a single MG reel (a spinning reel, at that), and I made the mistake of using it during an inshore fishing trip with a friend. I also failed to rinse it afterwards, and I unfortunately had some corrosion when I took it out of storage. Admittedly, this was user error -- and it's possible that I would have had similar issues with ANY of my reels. So, I spoke too strongly, I guess. But I do feel that aluminum is a little more "worry free." That being said, I want to like MG in a baitcast format for the possible sensitivity enhancements noted above... I'm just not yet sure whether the rave reviews across the web are as much a function of the material as they are of the fact that most MG offerings are higher-end models that also are inherently well-constructed (and therefore a pleasure to fish).
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