I made the transition to flouro not too long ago and my buddy told me to try Vanish. I used 14 lb and on 3 different occasions, I broke the line on small size fish while setting the hook. Has anyone else had this problem? The line was fresh and shouldn't have had nicks. What's a really durable flouro that ain't gonna cost me an arm and a leg? I really like flouro but Vanish is not cuttin' it for me.
imo Vanish is garbage... Try some Seaguar INVIZX.
Quoteimo Vanish is garbage...
You're not alone on this one....the reason I don't use Flouro at all....to be honest, I don't see much difference in vanish and Berkley 100%...except price
Learn to tie a knot.
QuoteLearn to tie a knot.
Unless the line snaps at least 8 inches from the hook... Because my weight is always 8 inches and every snap was above the weight. Good call though.
QuoteLearn to tie a knot.
true....but if it can't hold a palomar knot like everthing else can, what good is. I'll take P-Line CXX over vanish anyday....Trilene sensation is more durable than vanish
vanish.
they named it well.
I use Yo-Zuri Hybrid on my baitcasters and Yo-Zuri Ultrasoft on spinning gear. It is a Flouro-Copolymer blend and strong as they come.
Use some KVD lure and line conditioner on it and you'll be amazed at this stuff. For pure Flouro, the best I have used is Sunline FC Sniper.
I got it on ebay for a steal. It's pretty steep retail. BPS house brand is pretty good and so is Berkley 100%.
I tried Vanish when it first came out and found it to be so bad, I returned it.
The bass pro shops XPS is very good fluorocarbon. It casts well has good abrasion resistance and will not break the bank. If you watch it they put it on sale for 25% off regularly. I know I am going to get blasted but the Vicious Fluorocarbon is not bad for the price but it is not good on a spinning reel it is too stiff.
I've never had a problem with Vanish or Transition, but Trilene 100% fluoro is better.
Do a search here on Vanish - a lot of people, including myself, had problems with Vanish and have stopped. XPS is good and so apparently is the Berkely 100% fluoro. P-line fluoro is also very very good.
Vanish is trash man! I use 100% Trilene and BPS XPS and love both. The XPS is way stronger though.
QuoteQuoteLearn to tie a knot.true....but if it can't hold a palomar knot like everthing else can, what good is. I'll take P-Line CXX over vanish anyday....Trilene sensation is more durable than vanish
I used Vanish for two years without a problem. Never broke a knot.
I really like the BPS XPS fluorocarbon. It has been an outstanding line for me so far.
Later,
I have tried almost every flouro made and have the best luck with P-line 8lb 100% flouro. I just put a spool of Seagar INVIZ 8 lb on a new Catalyst I bought and so far am having good luck with it. It does not twist up like the Vanish and BPS flouro. I do use the KVD line conditioner and I believe it makes a big difference in more than one way. I will say that if you are using it on a spinning reel, it is very important that you place it on the spool correctly or it will loop up and be a huge headache.
I've brought trees up to the boat with 8lb Trilene Flouro and a Palomar knot.
Seaguar Red Label is a great line and is affordable. I like the Seaguar InvisX and AbrazX too, but I've never had the Red Label fail on me.
I used Vanish on 2 different occasions. The first time was 6# on a steelhead rod. I broke off every fish in the morning, then when the air temp got over 40*, I didn't break off another one. I stripped that line off as soon as I got home. What good is it if it breaks when cold.
The second time, I was in a pinch and needed a spool of 8# for a tube rod. Being that it was years since my first Vanish experience, I tried it again. Serious line twist and just as brittle as the 6#, but it wasn't cold this time, it was 80*.
Having said that, I've had good luck with Invizx in 6# and Halo in 6#, 8# and 10#. Currently I'm using Halo on my clear lake rods and have been experimenting with the new Floroclear co-poly in mist green. It seems to work in the clear water just as well as the Halo.
QuoteQuoteQuoteLearn to tie a knot.true....but if it can't hold a palomar knot like everthing else can, what good is. I'll take P-Line CXX over vanish anyday....Trilene sensation is more durable than vanish
I used Vanish for two years without a problem. Never broke a knot.
I used vanish and never had a problam...But now I just can't leave braid alone
I have been wanting to try Ande's....
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLearn to tie a knot.true....but if it can't hold a palomar knot like everthing else can, what good is. I'll take P-Line CXX over vanish anyday....Trilene sensation is more durable than vanish
I used Vanish for two years without a problem. Never broke a knot.
I used vanish and never had a problam...But now I just can't leave braid alone
I have been wanting to try Ande's....
I never had a knot problem...my problem was if it can't take two trips over a branche without breaking, then I don't want it. When I first tried it, I lost around 5 jigs, 2-3 tubes, a spook, and what I believe to be a nice fish, nothing huge, maybe 4-5 lbs, hooked up with a spook, she jumped about 10 yards out and slack line, no spook.
QuoteI have tried almost every flouro made and have the best luck with P-line 8lb 100% flouro. I just put a spool of Seagar INVIZ 8 lb on a new Catalyst I bought and so far am having good luck with it. It does not twist up like the Vanish and BPS flouro. I do use the KVD line conditioner and I believe it makes a big difference in more than one way. I will say that if you are using it on a spinning reel, it is very important that you place it on the spool correctly or it will loop up and be a huge headache.
Now you've got me wondering if I'm doing it correctly! What is the correct way?
QuoteQuoteQuoteLearn to tie a knot.true....but if it can't hold a palomar knot like everthing else can, what good is. I'll take P-Line CXX over vanish anyday....Trilene sensation is more durable than vanish
I used Vanish for two years without a problem. Never broke a knot.
Those 14-15 inchers really do put your line and knot to the test, don't they?
I have used Trilene 100% Fluro since it came out but have recently switched to Triple Fish and so far it has performed just as well as Trilene, there are no stretch problems, I can feel everything, its still clear, and most importantly of all its cheaper and comes in 600 yd spools.
But time will tell how much better/ or worse it is.
You get what you pay for.
For example, if Sunline cost around $20.00 it's gonna be a good line. On the other hand, Vanish is cheaper therefore it won't be as good as Sunline.
You'll probably just have to try out a lot of different brands to see which you like best in your price range.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLearn to tie a knot.true....but if it can't hold a palomar knot like everthing else can, what good is. I'll take P-Line CXX over vanish anyday....Trilene sensation is more durable than vanish
I used Vanish for two years without a problem. Never broke a knot.
Those 14-15 inchers really do put your line and knot to the test, don't they?
Not so much the bass as the stumps, brush piles and rocks that the line pulled in.
QuoteYou get what you pay for.For example, if Sunline cost around $20.00 it's gonna be a good line. On the other hand, Vanish is cheaper therefore it won't be as good as Sunline.
You'll probably just have to try out a lot of different brands to see which you like best in your price range.
Folks were going to have this discussion over and over again aren't we? IMHO Vanish is a good low cost line for baitcasting set ups that need 14# and over. When you get below that test pound it's usually a better idea to spend more to get a good limp fluro like Invisx or "place you favorite line here". We should all take special care in tying our knots with Fluro and checking your line often for bad spots.
I use Fluro for my flipping needs and Vanish has proven itself to be very strong. Like any fluro you just have to check for bad spots often and retie. Seriously RETIE OFTEN! Don't think your ok KNOW YOUR OK! Don't blame the line because it snapped 12inches above the knot either. That just means you nicked it on a log or rock ect and you didn't check it in time before you broke it off. Again this is refering to line above the 14lb test. IMHO it becomes very easy to break line beneath that with a good flipping rod. Trilene 100% broke off on me at the 12# level over and over again and that stuff is 20$ a box and suppose to be some of the best stuff out there.
So again when it comes to fluro retie often and carefully.When it comes to vanish I'd only use it for flipping with test pound over 14# and you should be fine. Vanish isn't my favorite Fluro by any means but I go threw a crap load of line and 10$ a box for a 250yd spool is nice. For spinning I like Invisx and Cableas fluro as well, both are made by Seagur and are great! Also make sure you pay close attention to line diameter. It's possible one line may be breaking less at a certain test pound because it's thicker. So the other line may not be as bad as you think it is but rather it should be compared against the other line at the same diameter.
Vicious is about the best flour for the money followed closely by Triple Fish but I don't fish it on spinning gear. Of course you have to really check you line with all flouro I have tried and i think i have about covered them all if they get a nick their going to break with a heavy hookset unlike most co polymer but then again flouro is so much more sensitive to me anyways. THE ONLY reliable KNOT to use with flouro when using vertical baits is the San Diego Jam knot the polymer works good when tied properly for horizontal baits but not worth a darn for the hard hook sets required for single hook vertical baits I believe this is because flouro is not very impact resistant and any time the line is doubled over itself or doubled through the hook eye it will slip slightly and cut itself into resulting in lost fish. Just my 2 cents after alot of hard-aches and research on the subject.
bps xps. great stuff. i loose less lures when i get hung up cause this stuff wont break. i end up replacing or rebending hooks.
I have 6# vanish on a Quantum UL spinning 4'8" rod.I use it for crappie.I've hooked many bass crappie fishing and haven't had any problems yet.The bass were small (10"-12").I've had a few problems with wind knots though.
I've tried a lot of different flouro lines, Seaguar is my favorite
I've had success with the new Berkley 100% Trilene FC - I think it's night and day difference between it and the Vanish - which I did have trouble with and no longer use. The Gamma Edge FC is very good line as well, but it's pricey - along with some of the Sunlne stuff. The BPS XPS FC is the best "budget" FC line I've used.
Has anyone tried the Sufix castable 100% fluorocarbon?
I have been using seaguar invisx. I haven't had any problems with it.
Burley...I love you buddy (in a 'good game' type of way), anyway....I know you use Pure Fishing 100% (Stren/Trilene). Are you telling me it isn't better than Vanish? I used Vanish for a while, and while I didn't find it to be as horrid as others claimed....it wasn't that great :-X. That Stren/Trilene is much better....no?!
I was a fan of Vanish until the Transition crap started. I tried the Transition (either 14 or 17#) and lost 3, 3/8oz spinnerbaits on 3 consecutive casts. After the first one, checked the line for any nicks, retied, snap, checked the line again, retied, snap. The last 2 casts with that stuff, I did not load the rod, brought the rod back, stopped, slowly brought the rod forward and SNAP! The line never broke at the knot, it was always several inches above the knot. Took the rod home and checked the guides (initially thought I may have had a damaged guide which wasn't the case). I tried going back to Vanish and started having the same issues with it as I did the Transition. I just can't bring myself to even try the Trilene 100% after the Vanish issues (no confidence in Berkley lines anymore). The flurocarbon I use now is BPS XPS. I've had no issues with it was so ever.
When I first tried fluoro, I tried Vanish. The only major problems I had were line twist on spinning rods. Now this was back when all I really fished were farm ponds and very small lakes. I've tried several different brands with mixed results before landing on Trilene 100%.
I recently used Fluro for the first time (Spiderwire Ultracast and P-Line) and will not be using the Spiderwire again. I didn't have any problems with the P-Line, but the Spiderwire gave me fits. I was tying a Eugene Knot that Shaw Grigsby highlighted in Bassmaster and said he uses exclusively for fluoro. I lost two decent smallies due to knot failure with the Spiderwire and one smallie when the line snapped. I lost a large mouth that hit a topwater (I know fluoro is not ideal for topwater). I thought it was knot failure but my lure was floating on the surface and when I retrieved it, I saw the line had snapped. I managed to catch that LM on a weightless Senko and he was about 1lb. Definitely not big enough to be snapping 8lb line.