Interesting knot test 2024

KP Duty reply :

It is an article illastrating braid to leader knots and testing them for strength.

https://www.sportfishingmag.com/strongest-fishing-knots-braid-to-leader

The Bassman reply :

Interesting read. You would think with the low #'s on double uni and alberto that you would hear of break offs. Nobody on here seems to have a problem with them.

BoatSquirrel reply :

This comparison tests 15lb braid to 30lb fluoro, and 50lb braid to 80lb mono. Lighter braid to heavier leader is common in salt but not as much in fresh water fishing. I would love to see a test but with more fresh water line sizes such a as 15lb braid to 8 lb fluoro and 50lb braid to 20 lb mono.

Tim Kelly reply :

My experience of the alberto and double uni knots has been poor, especially if you're casting them through the guides. An FG seems to last for ages, casts through the guides effortlessly and just never (maybe once) breaks. With practice you can tie it fairly quickly, nowhere near as fast as the more popular alberto and uni knots, but fairly fast, and you will almost never need to tie a leader knot again all day. If you start off with a longish leader, 20ft or so, you can keep retying your baits and not need to tie a new leader for a long time. I'm completely sold and a bit of an evangelist for the FG. I was never happy with any of the other options as they broke too often.

If you watch you tube and MLF you will notice people breaking off their leaders fairly often. I'm really surprised professional anglers haven't adopted the fg as you just won't need to be re-tying your leader knot as it doesn't break, where they would argue it takes too long. Lost fish and constant retying seem a worse use of time than the 5 minutes it takes to do a single FG, but what do I know.

MassYak85 reply :

On 6/25/2018 at 5:12 PM, The Bassman said:

Interesting read. You would think with the low #'s on double uni and alberto that you would hear of break offs. Nobody on here seems to have a problem with them.

I used the Uni-Uni for a long time when starting to use leaders, I broke off a good number of fish, especially when fishing things like T-rigs that required heavier hooksets. I think I was using like 30lb braid to 12lb fluoro. The important thing though is that the breakoffs occurred at the knot. I use the Albright or FG now and if I break off it's the knot to the bait itself.

The knot is dead simple to tie and I'll be honest I have still used it if I needed to quickly tie on a leader on the fly, but my experiences with it have shattered my confidence enough I won't use it anymore for most applications.

portiabrat reply :

On 6/26/2018 at 8:10 AM, MassYak85 said:

I used the Uni-Uni for a long time when starting to use leaders, I broke off a good number of fish, especially when fishing things like T-rigs that required heavier hooksets. I think I was using like 30lb braid to 12lb fluoro. The important thing though is that the breakoffs occurred at the knot. I use the Albright or FG now and if I break off it's the knot to the bait itself.

The knot is dead simple to tie and I'll be honest I have still used it if I needed to quickly tie on a leader on the fly, but my experiences with it have shattered my confidence enough I won't use it anymore for most applications.

I had the same experience with the double uni. Unless I kept my drag super loose, I'd break the knot on every hook set. I'd also break them when smallies would get close to my boat and dive quickly.

I haven't broken an FG knot since you explained how to tie one to me. It's probably been two years now.

Dangerfield reply :

I've tried a few different line to line knots, and I don't have good results. I prefer the Alberto to the Dbl-Uni and the Albright. I've tried the Blood knot, which I usually use if I'm not on the water. I'm at the point we're I'm going to remove the braid from my reel and run straight co-ploymer or fluoro - I did it on my jig rod and I feel more confident in my set up except if I get a snag deep in the spool then I'm screwed.

Anyone have any tips on a knot stronger than the blood or alberto knot? How does the Yucatan knot, J-Knot or Surgeon's knot compare to the FG? I've got the *** app on my phone, I can tie a knot, just not sure if it will hold up after repeated casting through guides.

Russ E reply :

I tie 10lb braid and 8lb flouro or hybrid on my shakyhead rod with an alberto knot.

I don't recall ever breaking off at the knot.

I have had trouble with other knots.

While I am not dismissing what they found, I have not seen the same results.

I am very careful not to burn the line, while cinching the knot.

J Francho reply :

I'm not sure how this relates to the average bass angler. Seems more like a knot tying competition then a knot test.

Team9nine reply :

On 6/27/2018 at 2:43 AM, J Francho said:

I'm not sure how this relates to the average bass angler. Seems more like a knot tying competition then a knot test.

Pretty much agree ???? If everyone is setting their drags right at 20-25% breaking strength of line like most say they do, you're talking just 2-5 lbs of pressure in nearly all cases. Any halfway decent tied knot should be able to handle that, so which knot you use or which is stronger doesn't even come into play. The fact that so many posters swear by so many different connecting knots bears this out. But, for us lock the drag down backreelers, let the knot tying competition begin ????

thinkingredneck reply :

I think using the lines that you use is the only good way to test this. I have used the Alberto with no problem. I have had some issues with the triple surgeon's. Also, as I fish heavy cover and muddy water, I use a leader so I can break off. I usually break off at the hook, probably because of abrasion. Half the time I will get a pig tail back meaning the knot gave.

J Francho reply :

On 6/27/2018 at 3:20 AM, Team9nine said:

But, for us lock the drag down backreelers, let the knot tying competition begin ????

Knuckle dragger!

RealtreeByGod reply :

On 6/26/2018 at 9:47 PM, portiabrat said:

I had the same experience with the double uni. Unless I kept my drag super loose, I'd break the knot on every hook set. I'd also break them when smallies would get close to my boat and dive quickly.

I haven't broken an FG knot since you explained how to tie one to me. It's probably been two years now.

I haven't done enough experimenting to substantiate my claims, but I've been putting a drop of superglue on my double uni before doing the final cinch down and it seems to prevent break offs a bit.

I caught a few oakfishes last time I was trying to teach myself how to skip under overhangs and was able to pull down fairly thick branches freeing my lure.

NHBull reply :

.....knock on wood, I have never lost a fish or broken a leader on a hook set. I have lost a few leaders on the cast, mostly with the uni/uni and when first learned the FG. For setups with braid to leader, I keep the leader a little shorter and retie more often. The risotto (sp) finished has really helped the FG. I believe that we are only a few years away from it being the most popular knot for this function

FryDog62 reply :

I switched a year ago and it was worth learning the FG. Too many break offs with Alberto and Albright. FG has lived up to its top billing and is also no longer difficult to tie - provided you use a “Hook-Eze” instead of your teeth. (YouTube).

Further North reply :

I've landed pretty squarely in the FG knot fan club as well. I have 50# braid to 30# wire leader set ups that are over a year old and show no sign of knot failure. I've cut the wire back on most of them, but the knot is still goot and goes through the guides better than anything else I've tried.

I still use the Alberto on very fine wire like Knot-2-Kinky and for tying fly leaders.

I've never been a Uni-to-Uni fan...too many moving parts on two different lines that have to be held just so for me to wrap my head around...holding one side while wrapping the other...

...but for perspective, I don't like tying Palomar knots either and that's about the simplest knot out there...I hate trying to roll a bigger bait, a big hook or even worse, a big fly through the loop...so take my preference for the FG with a grain of salt or three.

fishwizzard reply :

On 6/28/2018 at 10:07 AM, Further North said:

...but for perspective, I don't like tying Palomar knots either and that's about the simplest knot out there...I hate trying to roll a bigger bait, a big hook or even worse, a big fly through the loop...so take my preference for the FG with a grain of salt or three.

I hate the Palomar as well for the same reason, it’s too cumbersome to tie on anything othet then a bare hook and it wastes too much leader as well.

I use the Alberto and have never had one break on a fish, but about 1 in 10 times the leader knot will break before the tt connection knot breaks when pulling out a snag. I am going to give the FG a go at somepoint however.

WRB reply :

Meaningful for off shore salt water anglers who use double line and heavy leaders.

Meaningless for fresh water angler who use heavier braid to lighter lb test FC leaders.

Tom

Further North reply :

On 6/28/2018 at 9:03 PM, fishwizzard said:

I use the Alberto and have never had one break on a fish, but about 1 in 10 times the leader knot will break before the tt connection knot breaks when pulling out a snag. I am going to give the FG a go at somepoint however.

The Alberto is a great knot...I really don't have any criticism of it.

I gravitated to the FG because I almost always fish leaders and the FG is smaller.

FishDewd reply :

I've had the alberto knot slip a few times, but only when I experienced a bad snag and I was basically attempting to break the line anyway. It's funny though... most of the time I manage to tie it in such a way that it slips just before the leader breaking strength. I have no idea how I manage to do that but it happens every now and then! Then there are times when I tie an alberto so perfect that it's nearly as small as an FG knot. Case in point, this one. My own modified version of the alberto after some trial and error:

That one shouldn't slip!

BassWhole! reply :

It sounds counterintuitive, but if your modified albright knots are failing when casted through the guides, use fewer wraps. I found that if the wraps are over a certain length, the knot will eventually fail where the leader exits the wraps. Now if it's unravelling or pulling out, that's different, then you want to make sure the tag end exits the same direction as the main line, and you snug it tight before trimming. I finish with 2 opposing half hitches.

Brad in Texas reply :

Just in case, I thought I'd add a comment about tying various versions of Alberto/Albright knots. For novice anglers learning junction knots, it might be possible that someone will make the passive loop using the braid main line, then make the wraps with the fluorocarbon or monofilament leader.

What wraps around what is not optional but I have actually seen a video where a saltwater angler tied it in reverse: He wrapped the leader around a loop of braid. That is one way to guarantee you'll lose a lot of fish. Often, a knot tied reversed like this won't even withstand the good tug it takes to set it.

When braid is wrapped, then snugged down onto fluorocarbon or monofilament lines, it'll cut in a bit, grab hold. But, if a novice wraps the leader around the braid, no, it won't cut in and grab.

Brad

Boomstick reply :

I always use the double uni knot and yet to have one break. Also has anyone here followed knot wars? They had very solid results with the double uni.

Team9nine reply :

On 6/29/2018 at 11:14 PM, Boomstick said:

I always use the double uni knot and yet to have one break. Also has anyone here followed knot wars? They had very solid results with the double uni.

...but it was crushed in a head to head battle by the Alberto, which was over 20% stronger.

Boomstick reply :

On 6/28/2018 at 10:07 AM, Further North said:

...but for perspective, I don't like tying Palomar knots either and that's about the simplest knot out there...I hate trying to roll a bigger bait, a big hook or even worse, a big fly through the loop...so take my preference for the FG with a grain of salt or three.

I have gravitated away from the Palomar as well. I can tie a 5-6 turn uni knot and waste little line, plus for whqtever reqson its easier for me to tie in the wind than a Palomar, plus it works on all line.

One of these days I will learn the FF knot. I'd learn it much faster if I ever had an issue with the double uni knot, but it's help up for me even when I get in some nasty snags.

On 6/29/2018 at 11:25 PM, Team9nine said:

...but it was crushed in a head to head battle by the Alberto, which was over 20% stronger.

According to knot wars, it strongly beat out the Alberto. The other thing worth noting is they only gave the double uni 4 and 5 wraps around each side. I think most people would use 10-12. I know I do, which certainly explains some of the difference here. (I believe knot wars used ten but it wasn't far behind the FG).

Team9nine reply :

Boomstick reply :

On 6/29/2018 at 11:34 PM, Team9nine said:

That's a modified Albright, different from the Alberto which had previously fallen short of the double uni.

Team9nine reply :

On 6/29/2018 at 11:50 PM, Boomstick said:

That's a modified Albright, different from the Alberto which had previously fallen short of the double uni.

Modified Albright and Alberto are the same knot...

http://www.101knots.com/alberto-knot-modified-albright-knot.html

Boomstick reply :

On 6/29/2018 at 11:53 PM, Team9nine said:

Modified Albright and Alberto are the same knot...

http://www.101knots.com/alberto-knot-modified-albright-knot.html

I thought the Alberto and Albright were the same. My bad.

Team9nine reply :

On 6/30/2018 at 12:00 AM, Boomstick said:

I thought the Alberto and Albright were the same. My bad.

No problem - Albright is a single set of wraps beginning from the back and moving toward the loop/eye, modified/Alberto is double wraps both up and back, usually fewer in number than the single pass on the Albright.

Boomstick reply :

On 6/30/2018 at 12:04 AM, Team9nine said:

No problem - Albright is a single set of wraps beginning from the back and moving toward the loop/eye, modified/Alberto is double wraps both up and back, usually fewer in number than the single pass on the Albright.

This refreshed my memory. Knot wars has the alberto and fg ahead of the double uni, but it wasn't knot wars I was thinking of but some other knot comparison test I read maybe a year ago that had the double uni beating out the Alberto pretty strongly, but still losing to the FG knot. I want to say that wasn't even a youtube series, but a similar article to this one I just can't recall where.

Anyway, I still use a 10 turn double uni because it literally never breaks for me, although I kind of think the one I did last night may be a first as I did it near blind (chemotherapy effects my light perception, and I couldn't see the flurocarbon leader line at all and could barely see the braid). Should be fine, but it's my first time doing it blind.

WRB reply :

When the top braid to leader knots test under 75% knot strength should caution using braid with leaders. The new knot war winner in the video using a mod Albright jumped up to 80% knot strength. 100% knot strength should be the goal. 75-80% knot strength is good for FC line, 100% is normal for mono line, both using a simple well tied Palomar knot.

Tom

Tim Kelly reply :

Knot tests on a rig are of interest, but don't necessarily tell you much about real world situations, especially when the knot is going through the guides. I found the alberto and double uni worked satisfactorily if you were using a short leader that didn't go through the guides, but as soon as you're casting it through the guides it weakened quickly and failed unpredictably. if you were snagged and pulling for a break it would always go at the leader knot. The FG has totally corrected the issues the other knots showed up and I can use very long leaders, the knot never breaks and I can keep re-tying all day without running out of leader. I'm sold.

jay bird1138 reply :

I use the double uni and have never (hate to say this) had a break off. Just got done florida fishing and landed a 3 foot shark with that knot with very heavy drag. Also hooked a tarpon and other big fish with no problem. I try not to get it through the guides not only because of the knot strength but I just don’t like that feeling.

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