Daiwa Zillion vs Shimano Chronarch OR! Shimano Curado K vs Daiwa Tatula SV TW 2024

cabled70 reply :

If this has been answered please point me in the right direction and my apologies if the info is here already!!!

I have been using Daiwa baitcasters for years but am considering a change/upgrade for my own "flagship" reel(s) - meaning - I've kept it under $200 per reel in the past but want your advice on whether or not bumping up to the next level is worth it and if I should consider Shimano.

Quite honestly, I am looking for an excellent overall reel and the Tatula Type R's I bought in spring of 2017 were and remain great, but they definitely needed to be torn apart and cleaned up after getting quite noisy and shorter casting toward the end of the season. They're now like new after I did the appropriate maintenance.

Distance is ABSOLUTELY a huge factor as I am primarily on the bank these days after I moved to NYC and sold my Ranger several years back. So, distance will play a major role.

Specifically - is it worth the extra $100 or so bucks? Is there a considerable casting distance difference between the pricier models. What is the distance difference between the cheaper models?

And ultimately - who is your winner? Shimano Chronarch vs Daiwa Zillion for higher end or Tatula SV TW/Curado K at the moderately priced level?

Thanks in advance for the feedback.

Delaware Valley Tackle reply :

There are so many factors that affect casting distance more than the choice between these reels. In fact for raw casting distance spinning tackle is the way to go. A more refined reel is more pleasurable to fish but I don't think casting distance is substantially different just because one is higher priced.

Angry John reply :

A nice reel is like a hotrod. The reels true potential lies in a tune that fits with the way you fish. The sv spool is nice for not backlashING but is not truly tuned for the most distance. There are guys that know how to tune some reels to fit you and your style best. I have an old jdm zillion hlc with a dobyns 764 that will almost empty the spool on a 1/2 to 3/4 crankbait or rattle trap. The inductor has a much stronger spring to reduce the dampening. Wide open it can get quite wild but for distance with a bait 1/2 or over its hard to beat. What are you fishing?

CroakHunter reply :

Casting is more in the rod and mechanics than it is the reel. I have $30 reels that can cast with the best of them. While my $200 retail sv tw is idiot proof and great for skipping, it isn't my furthest caster. But I don't expect it to be. I bought it to skip, pitch, and for short underhand casts with jigs.

fishballer06 reply :

My Chronarch MGL's will bomb a crankbait out there with the new MGL spool, but I also use my XG MGL for pitching jigs, so that reel is very versatile if you have the right ratio for your needs. The Zillion SV doesn't hardly give you an advantage over the Tatula SV, in my opinion.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/8/2018 at 10:47 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

...for raw casting distance spinning tackle is the way to go. A more refined reel is more pleasurable to fish but I don't think casting distance is substantially different just because one is higher priced.

DelValTackle,

Thanks and couldn't agree with you more. I have a 7' spinning rod paired w a Shimano reel that will cast a 1/2oz lipless about 70 yards with a full spool. I am very much interested in the more expensive reels for the higher number of bearings and overall upgrades (spool weight/design) allowing me just that few extra yards due to being stranded on shore! :-)

On 1/8/2018 at 12:36 PM, Angry John said:

What are you fishing?

AJ,

Thanks and as mentioned above, I agree those lipless go a mile. As for what I am throwing and trying to reach out with it's a variety of jigs, swimbaits, senkos, crankbaits, spinnerbaits. The toughest being spinnerbaits when the wind catches em and jigs are not the most aerodynamic on the planet either. I know the weights can be increased but the action changes at that point. It's really just a matter of a few yards as I mentioned in my response to DVT above.

On 1/8/2018 at 1:01 PM, CroakHunter said:

Casting is more in the rod and mechanics than it is the reel. I have $30 reels that can cast with the best of them.

CH,

Much appreciated. I have an old ABU Garcia 4500 that doesn't even begin to come close to the casting distance (just as my own comparison example) of my newest Tatulas but do know some of the cheaper reels do get out there a good distance. I am certainly spoiled from my days on a deck of the bass boat when all you had to do was just MOVE A LITTLE CLOSER!!! I miss that option! Not to beat a dead horse here, but just trying to get a handful of extra yards...

On 1/8/2018 at 10:40 PM, fishballer06 said:

My Chronarch MGL's will bomb a crankbait out there with the new MGL spool, but I also use my XG MGL for pitching jigs, so that reel is very versatile if you have the right ratio for your needs. The Zillion SV doesn't hardly give you an advantage over the Tatula SV, in my opinion.

FB06,

Thanks and I appreciate the feedback, may lean toward the Chronarch.

SO TO ALL! I'd appreciate any further feedback, and also - after writing my first message - I see that the Curado has the brakes that require opening the sideplate to adjust where the chronarch has a dial. This is the case, right? I prefer the external dial.

And gonna open up another can here - what line casts furthest for all of you? Mono, Fluoro, Braid?

Again, all feedback appreciated!!! Thanks!!!

fishballer06 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 1:34 AM, cabled70 said:

I see that the Curado has the brakes that require opening the sideplate to adjust where the chronarch has a dial. This is the case, right? I prefer the external dial.

And gonna open up another can here - what line casts furthest for all of you? Mono, Fluoro, Braid?

Both the Curado K and the Chronarch MGL have the internal centrifugal brakes that you can adjust and they do the majority of the braking, and then they have the external "fine" adjuster as well. Having owned both, I usually have my internal brakes set to one setting, and then I'll just use the fine adjuster on the outside to adjust for wind and different lure weights.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 1:40 AM, fishballer06 said:

Both the Curado K and the Chronarch MGL have the internal centrifugal brakes that you can adjust and they do the majority of the braking, and then they have the external "fine" adjuster as well. Having owned both, I usually have my internal brakes set to one setting, and then I'll just use the fine adjuster on the outside to adjust for wind and different lure weights.

Thanks FB06,

I appreciate that feedback. Now, and trying to not sound like a dummy who's been throwing baitcasters for 35 years, is the fine adjustment you refer to a "cast control" knob or is it a numbered magnet dial?

In looking at the Shimano website there are several different pictures of the chronarch that show both a "cast control" along with a numbered dial (which I assume would be magnets) on the sideplate opposite the handle. The Shimano website only shows pics of the handle side of the Curado but I believe the opposite side is still the solid sideplate.

Just being specific as I can before making the decision. Thanks again!

fishballer06 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 1:58 AM, cabled70 said:

Is the fine adjustment you refer to a "cast control" knob?

No. The cast control knob is on the handle side, like all standard casting reels.

On 1/9/2018 at 1:58 AM, cabled70 said:

Is the fine adjustment you refer to a numbered magnet dial?

No. There are no magnets in the Curado or Chronarch.

As I stated before, the Curado and Chronarch both use centrifugal brakes and feature and external "fine" adjustment knob for the brakes.

WdyCrankbait reply :

All of those reels should be fine for distance. I would suggest going to a longer rod vs. looking for extra distance from a higher performing reels. I see this as a physics issue vs. mechanics of a reel. Moment = Fulcrum arm (length), x Load. (Fulcrum arm being the length of the rod, and load being the lure weight.)

If you are using a 7'-2" and could go to a 7'-6" yeah, you're going to throw farther. What about spool capacity? I assume you are filling your reels all the way up.

I read and agreed with several points, but I would go the route of longer rod.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 2:15 AM, fishballer06 said:

No. The cast control knob is on the handle side, like all standard casting reels.

No. There are no magnets in the Curado or Chronarch.

As I stated before, the Curado and Chronarch both use centrifugal brakes and feature and external "fine" adjustment knob for the brakes.

Thanks again FB06,

Just so I'm not going crazy - and I know it may sound that way - go to fish.shimano website and look up the Low Profile baitcaster section, select Chronarch MGL, click on "Detailed Product Page" and check out the pics. There is an angle shown where it appears there is a magnet dial. May be a new change for 2018?

On 1/9/2018 at 2:16 AM, WdyCrankbait said:

All of those reels should be fine for distance. I would suggest going to a longer rod vs. looking for extra distance from a higher performing reels. I see this as a physics issue vs. mechanics of a reel. Moment = Fulcrum arm (length), x Load. (Fulcrum arm being the length of the rod, and load being the lure weight.)

If you are using a 7'-2" and could go to a 7'-6" yeah, you're going to throw farther. What about spool capacity? I assume you are filling your reels all the way up.

I read and agreed with several points, but I would go the route of longer rod.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

Thanks WC,

I think I just need to cast harder! :-)

Definitely going with a 7'0" rod but I have the challenge of subways, buses, and taxi's for my main mode of transportation around the city. Therefore, I have a couple 2 pc rods (both casting and spinning) but will do one piece 7' rods to test and see. 5 or 10 extra yards! Just looking for 5 or 10 EXTRA YARDS!!!

Thanks and I will definitely keep you all posted.

How about my fishing line question above - furthest casts with what line?!? Mono, Fluoro, or Braid?

Chance_Taker4 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 2:40 AM, cabled70 said:

Thanks again FB06,

Just so I'm not going crazy - and I know it may sound that way - go to fish.shimano website and look up the Low Profile baitcaster section, select Chronarch MGL, click on "Detailed Product Page" and check out the pics. There is an angle shown where it appears there is a magnet dial. May be a new change for 2018?

Both the Curado and Chronarch come with the "Fine Tune" numbered dial you are speaking of. It is NOT magnetic brakes as you are a customed to. Your centrifugal brakes do the majority of the braking. The dial is to fine to say for into the wind casts or lighter lures.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 3:02 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:

Both the Curado and Chronarch come with the "Fine Tune" numbered dial you are speaking of. It is NOT magnetic brakes as you are a customed to. Your centrifugal brakes do the majority of the braking. The dial is to fine to say for into the wind casts or lighter lures.

Thanks CT4! Was confused there for a minute...

fishballer06 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 2:40 AM, cabled70 said:

Thanks again FB06,

Just so I'm not going crazy - and I know it may sound that way - go to fish.shimano website and look up the Low Profile baitcaster section, select Chronarch MGL, click on "Detailed Product Page" and check out the pics. There is an angle shown where it appears there is a magnet dial. May be a new change for 2018?

I'm well aware of what you are referring to. I believe cabin fever has taken over your brain already.

I own 4 Chronarch MGL's, 1 Metanium MGL, 2 Curado K series, 2 Curado I series, and 1 Curado 70 series. All of those Shimano reels have centrifugal braking systems with and an external "fine" adjustment dial. Not a single one of these reels has a single magnet anywhere inside of them. Trust me.

As for line, use whatever you prefer. No single line casts further than another. A proper rod for the lure weight you are using will effect casting distance more than anything.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 3:24 AM, fishballer06 said:

I'm well aware of what you are referring to. I believe cabin fever has taken over your brain already.

I own 4 Chronarch MGL's, 1 Metanium MGL, 2 Curado K series, 2 Curado I series, and 1 Curado 70 series. All of those Shimano reels have centrifugal braking systems with and an external "fine" adjustment dial. Not a single one of these reels has a single magnet anywhere inside of them. Trust me.

As for line, use whatever you prefer. No single line casts further than another. A proper rod for the lure weight you are using will effect casting distance more than anything.

Haha, indeed sir, indeed! Thanks for that further clarification. I think I'm back down to earth now... :-)

NathanDLTH reply :

I own all four. Speaking to the Zillion vs Mgl chronarch it simply comes to comfort, Zillion wins there and that’s because I’ve fished with it more. The Chronarch does have its own place and will probably be a favorite.

Tatula SV vs Curado K is much closer, love both. However I would still have to give the edge to Tatula simply because I’ve owned it longer and am more comfortable with the workings. I will say that Curado K will handle bigger baits better and be a bit more versitale.

All four serve a purpose and will be a great reel for the price point. Cannot go wrong with either.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 4:28 AM, NathanDLTH said:

I own all four. Speaking to the Zillion vs Mgl chronarch it simply comes to comfort, Zillion wins there and that’s because I’ve fished with it more. The Chronarch does have its own place and will probably be a favorite.

Tatula SV vs Curado K is much closer, love both. However I would still have to give the edge to Tatula simply because I’ve owned it longer and am more comfortable with the workings. I will say that Curado K will handle bigger baits better and be a bit more versitale.

All four serve a purpose and will be a great reel for the price point. Cannot go wrong with either.

Thanks NDLTH,

I envy you! Since you have them all, who is the overall cast length winner (considering they are on the same or similar rods)? Casting length is my overall main objective here. Thanks again!

LonnieP reply :

I have a Chronarch and 2 Tatula SV's. The Chronarch is nice but I really don't think it's worth double the price of the SV.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 4:42 AM, LonnieP said:

I have a Chronarch and 2 Tatula SV's. The Chronarch is nice but I really don't think it's worth double the price of the SV.

Thanks LP,

Sorry to keep asking but, from your experience, which casts further (assuming the reels are paired with the same or near equal rod)? Thanks again.

LonnieP reply :

I test them with the same rod in the back yard one day. Both were spooled with 12lb P-line tacticle floro. Throwing a 1/2 ounce trap they both cast pretty close to the same distance , the Chronarch seemed to be a little further, but I'd say they were within 5 ft of each other.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 5:13 AM, LonnieP said:

I test them with the same rod in the back yard one day. Both were spooled with 12lb P-line tacticle floro. Throwing a 1/2 ounce trap they both cast pretty close to the same distance , the Chronarch seemed to be a little further, but I'd say they were within 5 ft of each other.

Cool cool. Well thank you again and I will make a decision in the next week or two...

...now the other challenge is rods, most likely Fenwick but I love me some St Croix rods too... :-)

Tim Kelly reply :

According to you tube, a certain Orange reel with no ball bearings should be your only consideration if distance is your primary concern. Pretty sure I don't believe it, but that's what they say. It might only last a week, but it will be a hell of a week!

Chance_Taker4 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 5:23 AM, Tim Kelly said:

According to you tube, a certain Orange reel with no ball bearings should be your only consideration if distance is your primary concern. Pretty sure I don't believe it, but that's what they say. It might only last a week, but it will be a hell of a week!

Seems like not only 13 sponsors are raving but so are unbiased reviewrs. I watched a guy rust normally only uses Shimanos but feel in love with that orange reel. But I also agree that I don't think it's built to last.

cabled70 reply :

I don't know anything about fishing with oranges :-)

On a serious side, I'd like to see the longevity first. If they hold up then it's one heck of an appealing reel...

Gonna stick with Daiwa or Shimano for now...

NathanDLTH reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 4:33 AM, cabled70 said:

Thanks NDLTH,

I envy you! Since you have them all, who is the overall cast length winner (considering they are on the same or similar rods)? Casting length is my overall main objective here. Thanks again!

Honestly, similar rod with similar line and lure, I’d say the Zillion and Curado K. Both for whatever reason throw lures better. I had a Aldebaran and that took little effort to throw a bait any distance, maybe just the way they are. Now my Tatulas are my workhorse reels, I own three of them. Use them for frogging/pitching, topwater/jigs, cranks and jerks.

My reels go:

tatula sv 6:3

tatula sv 7:3:1

tatula sv 8:1:1

Zillion 6:3:1

Curado K 6:2:1

Chronarch 7:1:1

I’ve owned a Abu ProMax, Chronarch Ci4, Lews Tournament Speed Spool, Daiwa Luguna, A n C, and a Curado I. Didn’t care for Curado I. My Abu experience is meh, don’t like their reels. Ci4 wasn’t what I hoped for. Best bang for your buck was the Lews before I gave it to a friend. My A n C were good, but the Daiwa hype was good and I feel head over heals for the Tatulas. Really, I’m a reel junky, love trying stuff out and it gets bad when something catches my eye. Right now I have my sights set on a Steez A TWS, deeper spool then the SV and bigger knobs.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 11:36 AM, NathanDLTH said:

Honestly, similar rod with similar line and lure, I’d say the Zillion and Curado K. Both for whatever reason throw lures better. I had a Aldebaran and that took little effort to throw a bait any distance, maybe just the way they are. Now my Tatulas are my workhorse reels, I own three of them. Use them for frogging/pitching, topwater/jigs, cranks and jerks.

My reels go:

tatula sv 6:3

tatula sv 7:3:1

tatula sv 8:1:1

Zillion 6:3:1

Curado K 6:2:1

Chronarch 7:1:1

I’ve owned a Abu ProMax, Chronarch Ci4, Lews Tournament Speed Spool, Daiwa Luguna, A n C, and a Curado I. Didn’t care for Curado I. My Abu experience is meh, don’t like their reels. Ci4 wasn’t what I hoped for. Best bang for your buck was the Lews before I gave it to a friend. My A n C were good, but the Daiwa hype was good and I feel head over heals for the Tatulas. Really, I’m a reel junky, love trying stuff out and it gets bad when something catches my eye. Right now I have my sights set on a Steez A TWS, deeper spool then the SV and bigger knobs.

Thank you again for the detailed info, it's very helpful. I'm torn after reading everything but there is nothing SCREAMING that one company clearly has a distance advantage over the other. So for now, I am leaning heavily towards Tatula SV. I already have the other two Tatula Type R 100XS's and that would just play towards consistency.

I'm a reel junky as well and owned many types/brands during the 80's and early 90's but settled on Daiwa's baitcasters long ago. I love the Shimano spinning reels. If I could buy everything that came out and try it I would - but that's not gonna happen unless they all become free of charge!

As for Abu Garcia (mentioned that I have an ancient 4500 above) - Hank Parkers Outdoor magazine was the only fishing TV show on in MD back in (about) 1983 or !984 and Hank was throwing Abu Garcia. Planted the seed right there... :-)

Thanks again for the feedback.

fishnkamp reply :

Let me say have been fishing over 40 years and tried all sort of reels. Everyone has a different casting motion and personal preference so take it for what its worth. Several years ago a friend put a Diawa Exceler in my hand and I fell in love. I started using one of those and several Daiwa Tatula, Tatula Type Rs and Tatula CTs. I quickly sold off a bunch of Shimanos (including a Chronarch E7 and some green Curados).

Before you spend big money on other reels I want to ask you how you adjusted your Tatula R. These reels do not work properly, or more accurately, work to achieve their best casting distance if you adjusted it the same way you adjust every other baitcaster.

Let me explain the difference a bit. In most cases you spool a reel, run your line out the guides tie on a lure and adjust the spool tension according to how fast or slow you want the lure to drop. That will inhibit your casting distance big time with any Daiwa reel that has Mag Force breaking in it, especially Mag Force Z breaking which most all the Tatulas have.

I am not sure how well you cleaned and lubricated your reel. I would suggest you send it out to someone like DVT to have it's maintenance done professionally. You might also consider upgrading a few bearings and replace the bushings inside with a few bearings. This has made some Tatulas run as smooth or smoother than reels much higher priced.

Anyway back to its adjustment. Here are two videos. The first explains the break systems Daiwa has used. Your reel is the last one in the video(with mag force Z). The other video explains how to properly adjust your reel. I will get some disagreement on this point,but I have heard this point from a few pros and I always follow this tip. I back of my drag ( the dial on the outside) before adjusting the spool tension. I then set the dial to half way, or 10 out of 20, after the spool is set correctly. Try this before you spend any money. Give it a few casts the way you normally set your reel and then follow my method. Let us know the difference. Also, be sure the lure you are throwing is heavy enough to fall in between the spec of the rod. This is essential when testing this out.

Notice, Brent is talking about the newer Daiwa Tatula SV TWS. All the Tatula family reels adjust the same way so you need to adjust it as he tells you. It will feel way to free to you and that is true if this were any other reel. Daiwas are not any other reel. I hope this helps. If you think you might want to upgrade that reel just let me know, I have several friends that will lead you down the right path on those reels. They live and breath fishing reels, all brands and know all the tricks.

QUAKEnSHAKE reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 12:13 PM, cabled70 said:

Thank you again for the detailed info, it's very helpful. I'm torn after reading everything but there is nothing SCREAMING that one company clearly has a distance advantage over the other. So for now, I am leaning heavily towards Tatula SV. I already have the other two Tatula Type R 100XS's and that would just play towards consistency.

I'm a reel junky as well and owned many types/brands during the 80's and early 90's but settled on Daiwa's baitcasters long ago. I love the Shimano spinning reels. If I could buy everything that came out and try it I would - but that's not gonna happen unless they all become free of charge!

As for Abu Garcia (mentioned that I have an ancient 4500 above) - Hank Parkers Outdoor magazine was the only fishing TV show on in MD back in (about) 1983 or !984 and Hank was throwing Abu Garcia. Planted the seed right there... :-)

Thanks again for the feedback.

You will be losing distance but gaining control. I have a Tatula100 and TatSV the Tat100 casts farther. Curado 70, Chronarch MGL both cast farther than the SV. Youtube vids show the K throwing lipless cranks farther.

The K would be my choice over the TatSV and the Curado K can be bought for $150 a smoother more refined farther casting reel. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-Curado-200XGK-Bait-Casting-Reel-2017-New-Mode-Right-Hand-2221-/132460018883?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 12:17 PM, fishnkamp said:

Let me say have been fishing over 40 years and tried all sort of reels. Everyone has a different casting motion and personal preference so take it for what its worth. Several years ago a friend put a Diawa Exceler in my hand and I fell in love. I started using one of those and several Daiwa Tatula, Tatula Type Rs and Tatula CTs. I quickly sold off a bunch of Shimanos (including a Chronarch E7 and some green Curados).

Before you spend big money on other reels I want to ask you how you adjusted your Tatula R. These reels do not work properly, or more accurately, work to achieve their best casting distance if you adjusted it the same way you adjust every other baitcaster.

Let me explain the difference a bit. In most cases you spool a reel, run your line out the guides tie on a lure and adjust the spool tension according to how fast or slow you want the lure to drop. That will inhibit your casting distance big time with any Daiwa reel that has Mag Force breaking in it, especially Mag Force Z breaking which most all the Tatulas have.

I am not sure how well you cleaned and lubricated your reel. I would suggest you send it out to someone like DVT to have it's maintenance done professionally. You might also consider upgrading a few bearings and replace the bushings inside with a few bearings. This has made some Tatulas run as smooth or smoother than reels much higher priced.

Anyway back to its adjustment. Here are two videos. The first explains the break systems Daiwa has used. Your reel is the last one in the video(with mag force Z). The other video explains how to properly adjust your reel. I will get some disagreement on this point,but I have heard this point from a few pros and I always follow this tip. I back of my drag ( the dial on the outside) before adjusting the spool tension. I then set the dial to half way, or 10 out of 20, after the spool is set correctly. Try this before you spend any money. Give it a few casts the way you normally set your reel and then follow my method. Let us know the difference. Also, be sure the lure you are throwing is heavy enough to fall in between the spec of the rod. This is essential when testing this out.

Notice, Brent is talking about the newer Daiwa Tatula SV TWS. All the Tatula family reels adjust the same way so you need to adjust it as he tells you. It will feel way to free to you and that is true if this were any other reel. Daiwas are not any other reel. I hope this helps. If you think you might want to upgrade that reel just let me know, I have several friends that will lead you down the right path on those reels. They live and breath fishing reels, all brands and know all the tricks.

Thank you a ton FNK,

That was a tremendous amount of information and I can tell you are just as passionate (if not more) than myself when it comes to getting into the gritty details! I also watched the vids and they are very informative so thank you for that.

I did a very basic maintenance which involved cleaning, oiling (where required) and greasing (where required) per videos I watched and the free spool on the first one I cleaned compared to the second one (before maintenance) was ridiculous. After cleaning both they were equal, so I feel the cleaning was effective. I'm assuming DVT is a member here and will look more into professional maintenance for sure. Thanks for that info too.

As for my settings, it's funny because my reels are generally at 10 but range from 8 to 12 depending on lure size and weather conditions (wind). So that was reassuring to see Ehler's setup. I do keep the brakes adjusted per lure too but feel that they are NOT set as light as you and the video recommends so I am excited to try that out!!!

And when i am ready to buy I will definitely ask for your contacts and hopefully I can pick a couple up.

Tatula SV TWS looking like a clear leader at this point. Thanks again for all the great information and help.

On 1/9/2018 at 12:47 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

You will be losing distance but gaining control. I have a Tatula100 and TatSV the Tat100 casts farther. Curado 70, Chronarch MGL both cast farther than the SV. Youtube vids show the K throwing lipless cranks farther.

The K would be my choice over the TatSV and the Curado K can be bought for $150 a smoother more refined farther casting reel. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-Curado-200XGK-Bait-Casting-Reel-2017-New-Mode-Right-Hand-2221-/132460018883?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

Thanks QnS! I saw some vids of casting differences but there were comments on a couple videos questioning if it was the same rod/line setup. Either way, those videos are what started my questioning. Thanks again for the advice and link.

fishnkamp reply :

Once you set the free spool on the Daiwa line of reels you no longer adjust them fro lure weight, at least I never need to. Think about the Mag Force Z as a lawn mower's governor. It works without your input. The dial on the outside I rarely need to adjust but if I were top be trying to horse something or had bad wind conditions then I might bump it up a notch or two.

npl_texas reply :

On 1/8/2018 at 10:40 PM, fishballer06 said:

My Chronarch MGL's will bomb a crankbait out there with the new MGL spool, but I also use my XG MGL for pitching jigs, so that reel is very versatile if you have the right ratio for your needs. The Zillion SV doesn't hardly give you an advantage over the Tatula SV, in my opinion.

I've sold all of my Daiwa's but one and i can tell you I never knew when I was holding the Zillion SV or the Tat SV. They felt pretty much the same all around to me.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 11:53 PM, fishnkamp said:

Once you set the free spool on the Daiwa line of reels you no longer adjust them fro lure weight, at least I never need to. Think about the Mag Force Z as a lawn mower's governor. It works without your input. The dial on the outside I rarely need to adjust but if I were top be trying to horse something or had bad wind conditions then I might bump it up a notch or two.

Well, once again, much appreciated. This and others info has been incredibly helpful.

Choporoz reply :

On 1/9/2018 at 2:40 AM, cabled70 said:

How about my fishing line question above - furthest casts with what line?!? Mono, Fluoro, or Braid?

If distance is the ONLY consideration, then Gliss is the way to go. There are tradeoffs, but if I put 12# Gliss on ANY of my combos, it will cast much farther than any other line I have ever used. It isn't necessarily going to be best for lots of other reasons, but for distance alone, Gliss, (or other fine, slick braid) is the way to go, IMO.

Boomstick reply :

If you are trying to get the max casting distance, then get a Tatula CT and save the extra money from the SV. The SV spool improves the breaking, but reduces the casting distance slightly. I can justify the sacrifice in casting distance with the knowledge that over the course of a day, with a fewer backlashes, I will end up casting for more yards over time instead of pulling out a backlash.

fishnkamp reply :

Hey Cabled70. If you ever feel like coming back down to the Upper Bay I would be happy to meet you in the town of North East ( at Anchor Marine) and help you with those reels. We could meet, play a little with the gear and then hit the water in my boat. I have no idea if you are interested but it would be about a 3 hour drive for you. You said you are originally from MD. but maybe you have never fished the Flats and the North East River before.

cabled70 reply :

On 1/10/2018 at 3:59 AM, Boomstick said:

If you are trying to get the max casting distance, then get a Tatula CT and save the extra money from the SV. The SV spool improves the breaking, but reduces the casting distance slightly. I can justify the sacrifice in casting distance with the knowledge that over the course of a day, with a fewer backlashes, I will end up casting for more yards over time instead of pulling out a backlash.

Thanks Boomstick! I have two Tatula Type R 100XS's so will most likely jump to the SV TW reels to try em out. I appreciate your feedback.

On 1/10/2018 at 5:59 AM, fishnkamp said:

Hey Cabled70. If you ever feel like coming back down to the Upper Bay I would be happy to meet you in the town of North East ( at Anchor Marine) and help you with those reels. We could meet, play a little with the gear and then hit the water in my boat. I have no idea if you are interested but it would be about a 3 hour drive for you. You said you are originally from MD. but maybe you have never fished the Flats and the North East River before.

Thanks FNK, I'll definitely take you up on that offer. The last tourney I fished in MD was the Upper Bay out of Havre De Grace. Have fished the Upper Bay a fair share but don't know it too awfully well so would love to get out there with you. Hopefully we can do that this season! Thanks again!

fishnkamp reply :

I look forward to it. The nice thing about launching at Anchor Marine in the North East is that it is located on your side of the flats so you will not have cross the bridge to Harve De Grace.

That should save you probably 20 to 30 minutes drive time.

kschultz76 reply :

On 1/10/2018 at 11:26 AM, fishnkamp said:

I look forward to it. The nice thing about launching at Anchor Marine in the North East is that it is located on your side of the flats so you will not have cross the bridge to Harve De Grace.

That should save you probably 20 to 30 minutes drive time.

That’s some great fishing right there. Fished the NE one time with a guide and took of from Anchor. We boasted several 4lb fish and at least one 5ln that day. It was fantastic. Going to try to get down there with our boat sometime.

Human torpedo reply :

I agree with FishnKamp. I found out a long time ago that I could only cast with a loose spool tension. Sometimes the spool would slide back n forth (side play)on my old gold Chronarch. But bait casters have came so far since I started in the mid 90's. Just got back into fishing and these newer reels are so much easier to cast. I have Tatulas, a Curado I, and a lews tournament Lite and they all cast really far. FWIW, I can l cast the Curado I slightly farther. But I can cast a 1/16 oz texas rigged culprit worm and a 3/8 oz jig far enough without having backlash and not adjusting the break on the tatulas. Hope this helps

cabled70 reply :

On 1/10/2018 at 11:26 AM, fishnkamp said:

I look forward to it. The nice thing about launching at Anchor Marine in the North East is that it is located on your side of the flats so you will not have cross the bridge to Harve De Grace.

That should save you probably 20 to 30 minutes drive time.

Sounds great and I hope we can get out!!!

On 1/10/2018 at 3:05 PM, Human torpedo said:

I agree with FishnKamp. I found out a long time ago that I could only cast with a loose spool tension. Sometimes the spool would slide back n forth (side play)on my old gold Chronarch. But bait casters have came so far since I started in the mid 90's. Just got back into fishing and these newer reels are so much easier to cast. I have Tatulas, a Curado I, and a lews tournament Lite and they all cast really far. FWIW, I can l cast the Curado I slightly farther. But I can cast a 1/16 oz texas rigged culprit worm and a 3/8 oz jig far enough without having backlash and not adjusting the break on the tatulas. Hope this helps

Thanks HT, I appreciate the feedback and will follow up once I make a purchase!

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