Copoly Line for Jig & Texas Rig 2024
NorthernBasser reply :
So I know most use braid/fluoro leader when they're jig/t-rig fishing. But I've always worried about that extra knot possibly failing on me.
I've had great success using Trilene mono over the years. But I've been wondering if copoly would be a better choice.
What are your guys thoughts? And what brand would be best for this application?
Swbass15 reply :
I’ve been using izorline(sp) and haven’t had any problems with it. I fish an extremely rocky lake and that stuff has taken a beating and holds up well. I’m using 15lb.
CroakHunter reply :
I use fluoro now, but have used p-line cxx with great success. Super strong. Almost impossible to break
Catt reply :
Maxima Ultragreen 18# ????
BassCats reply :
Catt you aren't pushing Big Game anymore?
Dtrombly reply :
Been using P-Line Flouroclear for a couple years and really like it, especially for the price.
WRB reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 8:41 AM, BassCats said:Catt you aren't pushing Big Game anymore?
Big Game is a copolymer line, wait for Catts reply.
Tom
J.Vincent reply :
Really depends on what fishing conditions you are faced with....and Copolymers are not all created equal...but most of them will improve casting distance over standard monofilament, but only some will offer good abrasion resistance. Personally I like PLine Cxx for better abrasion resistance and Yozuri hybrid is good also, but not as abrasion resistant. But personally if I'm Texas rigging and I'm not fishing fluorocarbon, I usually use Cajun Line Red Lightning in 14lb test or 17lb for heavy cover. I know the reviews have always been mixed on this line, but I've not found a better monofilament line which performs close to a copolymer anywhere on the market. I fished this line almost exclusively last season, and I never once had a fish break off and never once had casting issues or line problems . The knots it ties are on par with copolymer knots and I can line watch better with the red line. Now I know I'm going to get ribbed for bringing up a budget line, but it just works for me with jigs and Texas rigs, when water clarity isn't an issue. Anyway just my 2cents, but anyone of those three lines would be a great alternative for this type of fishing.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I mainly use copolymer for jigs and T rigs. Grand Slam Hi-SEAS has been my line of choice the last several months when I want a copolymer.
NorthernBasser reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 1:19 PM, WRB said:Big Game is a copolymer line, wait for Catts reply.
Tom
Hmm. Everything I've read says Big Game is a mono.
Catt reply :
Monofilament: : a single untwisted synthetic filament (as of nylon)
Copolymerization: the polymerization of two substances (such as different monomers) together
Braid: multi-filament lines, which are strung from multiple strands that are fused, braided or bundled together.
Big Game is a Monofilament ????
Dens228 reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 4:08 AM, NorthernBasser said:So I know most use braid/fluoro leader when they're jig/t-rig fishing. But I've always worried about that extra knot possibly failing on me.
I've had great success using Trilene mono over the years. But I've been wondering if copoly would be a better choice.
What are your guys thoughts? And what brand would be best for this application?
Until this year I hesitated on using leaders because of knot worry too. I spent a little time practicing the modified double uni and realized my concerns were unwarranted. I now use a flouro leader on braid for a few of my setups.
MickD reply :
Big Game is listed on Berkley's web site as a mono, and does not mention it being a co-polymer.
Regarding the line to leader knot, if the double uni will go through the guides cleanly, use it. It is very easy to tie and very reliable. Check it for damage caused by the guides now and then. It works very well with all pound tests of all braids and leader materials (at least the many I've used.) If using micros, learn the FG, the smallest and strongest (if tied correctly) knot, but it is easy to tie it wrong and not know it until it slips. It is usually the braid locking half hitches that fail, so some use super glue or UV curing epoxy to anchor them better.
Catt reply :
I know that I'm a simple Coonass but I don't understand the whole braid & leader theory!
The idea for using braid is no stretch, strength to diameter; that I get.
But why reduce strength & add stretch with a leader?
In my simple mind your setup is no stronger than your leader!
Todd2 reply :
I've never been able to tell much of a difference between copolymers and monos. Some of both are limp some of both are stiffer.
McCoy is a very good copoly for spinning gear, it feels about like Stren or Xl which are monos.
greentrout reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 1:28 PM, Active_Outdoors said:I usually use Cajun Line Red Lightning in 14lb test or 17lb for heavy cover. I know the reviews have always been mixed on this line, but I've not found a better monofilament line which performs close to a copolymer anywhere on the market. I fished this line almost exclusively last season, and I never once had a fish break off and never once had casting issues or line problems . The knots it ties are on par with copolymer knots and I can line watch better with the red line. Now I know I'm going to get ribbed for bringing up a budget line, but it just works for me with jigs and Texas rigs, when water clarity isn't an issue. Anyway just my 2cents, but anyone of those three lines would be a great alternative for this type of fishing.
I use the red line, too. And Silver Thread & Berkley Big Game.
WRB reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 7:32 PM, Catt said:Monofilament: : a single untwisted synthetic filament (as of nylon)
Copolymerization: the polymerization of two substances (such as different monomers) together
Braid: multi-filament lines, which are strung from multiple strands that are fused, braided or bundled together.
Big Game is a Monofilament ????
All single strand fishing line including fluorocarbon, nylon or mono and copolymers; 2 polymers, are monofilament technically. Nylon (polyimde) is a polymer, not a monomer. Most, but not all, copolymer lines are made from a blend of 2 Nylons, some polyimde- polyester blends.
The term mono in fishing is misleading, it doesn't mean single monomer, it refers to Nylon a polymer.
Yo-Zuri hybrid is a co-extruded copolymer with a copolymer core and fluorocarbon outer thin jacket, not a copolymer line is the sense of a homogenous blend of 2 polymers.
Tom
NHBull reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 8:47 PM, Catt said:I know that I'm a simple Coonass but I don't understand the whole braid & leader theory!
The idea for using braid is no stretch, strength to diameter; that I get.
But why reduce strength & add stretch with a leader?
In my simple mind your setup is no stronger than your leader!
Catt, on a few of my rig, I run braid to FC because I am lazy and a bit thrifty ( wife doesn’t agree). I only want to work with about 10-12 rods as I would call myself a recreational tournament guy. I love throwing braid and being able to change leaders to effect action or to add a bit of cushioning help. I also find myself throwing like I want to loose it, and often do. Worst case, I break off the leader, which I don’t mind doing. That said, I seldom respool braid.
Truth be told, we seldom see bass over 5 lbs, so all my leaders serfice and give me a bit more abrasion resistance. That is where I am today and would be lying if I knew my preferences in a yr
Catt reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 11:17 PM, WRB said:All single strand fishing line including fluorocarbon, nylon or mono and copolymers; 2 polymers, are monofilament technically. Nylon is a polymer, not a monomer. Most, but not all, copolymer lines are made from a blend of 2 Nylons, some are Nylon polyester blends.
The term mono in fishing is misleading, it doesn't mean single monomer, it refers to Nylon a polymer.
Yo-Zuri hybrid is a co-extruded copolymer with a copolymer core and fluorocarbon outer thin jacket, not a copolymer line is the sense of a homogenous blend of 2 polymers.
Tom
Ya better revisit that! ????
roadwarrior reply :
Yo-Zuri’s Hybrid Line is a 50/50 Co-polymer consisting of flourocarbon and nylon. Hybird’s extrusion process creates a true molecular blend of the two materials that is 100% waterproof with the abrasion resistance and sensitivity of flourocarbon but incorpoarting the flexability and stretch of nylon.
Point
- Co-polymer consisting of fluorocarbon and nylon
- Molecularly bonded during an exclusive extrusion process
- Abrasion resistance, UV resistance
- 100% waterproof
- Available in 600 and 275 yd. spools
- Low memory
Bonded, not coated.
Mr Swim Jig reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 11:55 PM, roadwarrior said:Yo-Zuri’s Hybrid Line is a 50/50 Co-polymer consisting of flourocarbon and nylon. Hybird’s extrusion process creates a true molecular blend of the two materials that is 100% waterproof with the abrasion resistance and sensitivity of flourocarbon but incorpoarting the flexability and stretch of nylon.
Point
- Co-polymer consisting of fluorocarbon and nylon
- Molecularly bonded during an exclusive extrusion process
- Abrasion resistance, UV resistance
- 100% waterproof
- Available in 600 and 275 yd. spools
- Low memory
Bonded, not coated.
Can't go wrong with Yo-Zuri Hybrid, still one of my favorite go to lines...
Boomstick reply :
My oldest son's birthday was yesterday and I got him a new rod and reel, and I got him some Fluoroclear for primarily use with soft plastics so I'll get some first hand experience with it. I chose Fluoroclear based on tackletours review, seems to be the best bet between visibility and knot strength. My second choice was Yo Zuri Hybrid from all the forum members here who I have seen recommend it.
Personally, I am expecting it to be fine. Remember people caught fish before braid and fluorocarbon exists, plus if you watch Glenn's videos, he uses it for a lot of things as well.
Angry John reply :
On 4/16/2018 at 8:06 AM, Boomstick said:My oldest son's birthday was yesterday and I got him a new rod and reel, and I got him some Fluoroclear for primarily use with soft plastics so I'll get some first hand experience with it. I chose Fluoroclear based on tackletours review, seems to be the best bet between visibility and knot strength. My second choice was Yo Zuri Hybrid from all the forum members here who I have seen recommend it.
Personally, I am expecting it to be fine. Remember people caught fish before braid and fluorocarbon exists, plus if you watch Glenn's videos, he uses it for a lot of things as well.
I went from flouoclear to yhb. The flouoclear in 8 lb was a great trout line, very thin and clear and worked well. When I went from little treble hooks to larger single hooks for bass fishing I found the stretch factor in floroclear. On a positive note it handles well so on a kids rod that's a big bonus. 6lb yhb feels thicker and does not handle near as well as 8lb flouroclear. Yhb was also more abrasion resistant. For first timers I would recommend Berkeley xl in 6 or 8 as I feel it provides the best all around.
Boomstick reply :
On 4/16/2018 at 8:51 AM, Angry John said:I went from flouoclear to yhb. The flouoclear in 8 lb was a great trout line, very thin and clear and worked well. When I went from little treble hooks to larger single hooks for bass fishing I found the stretch factor in floroclear. On a positive note it handles well so on a kids rod that's a big bonus. 6lb yhb feels thicker and does not handle near as well as 8lb flouroclear. Yhb was also more abrasion resistant. For first timers I would recommend Berkeley xl in 6 or 8 as I feel it provides the best all around.
He isn't quite a first timer anymore. I did figure that fluoroclear was a smaller line than yo zuri hybrid or cxx or some others, so I am going to take the chances on the 15lb line on casting gear being pretty decent. I could step it up to 17lb or try a heavier variant if needed. The good news is it's cheap enough!
He wants to improve his soft plastic fishing so I thought the fluoroclear sounded like a good choice.
Angry John reply :
I have never used 15 so I cannot honestly comment beyond my previous statements. I do hear people like it, and a review might be helpful.
Edited by Angry JohnWrong word
Catt reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 1:28 PM, Active_Outdoors said:Really depends on what fishing conditions you are faced with....and Copolymers are not all created equal...but most of them will improve casting distance over standard monofilament, but only some will offer good abrasion resistance. Personally I like PLine Cxx for better abrasion resistance and Yozuri hybrid is good also, but not as abrasion resistant. But personally if I'm Texas rigging and I'm not fishing fluorocarbon, I usually use Cajun Line Red Lightning in 14lb test or 17lb for heavy cover. I know the reviews have always been mixed on this line, but I've not found a better monofilament line which performs close to a copolymer anywhere on the market. I fished this line almost exclusively last season, and I never once had a fish break off and never once had casting issues or line problems . The knots it ties are on par with copolymer knots and I can line watch better with the red line. Now I know I'm going to get ribbed for bringing up a budget line, but it just works for me with jigs and Texas rigs, when water clarity isn't an issue. Anyway just my 2cents, but anyone of those three lines would be a great alternative for this type of fishing.
1201vilbig reply :
Another vote for Hi Seas Grand Slam Select. 15# is my go to. Plus it is very budget friendly.
NorthernBasser reply :
Lot of people like Yo-Zuri. Comparing it to other copoly lines it seems to run thicker tho. But I guess it isn't an issue?
I guess I just want something that has decent-good manageability, abrasion-resistant, and lower stretch than mono (that's not braid). Does copoly have noticeably less stretch than mono?
Russ E reply :
I have been playing with HI-seas grand slam flouro coated copoly. so far I am impressed.
seems pretty good on abrasion resistance. you don't have the flouro knot issues, and it is very cheap.
a 300 yard spool costs $7.98, at walmart.
it stretches more than braid, but does not stretch near as much as lines like trilene xl.
NorthernBasser reply :
On 4/16/2018 at 12:08 PM, Weedwhacker said:I have been playing with HI-seas grand slam flouro coated copoly. so far I am impressed.
seems pretty good on abrasion resistance. you don't have the flouro knot issues, and it is very cheap.
a 300 yard spool costs $7.98, at walmart.
it stretches more than braid, but does not stretch near as much as lines like trilene xl.
Nice. Is it safe to say that all copoly lines have less stretch than monos?
optimator reply :
You guys seem to really like the Yo-Zuri. I tried it when it first came out and I remember it had a TON of memory. Was it once like that or did I get a bad spool away back when? I picked up a couple spools of 12 lb CXX last week. I haven't spooled it up yet. How does it compare to Yo-Zuri?
rangerjockey reply :
On the rods I don't have Flouro on I use McCoy mean green. I think it handles better than Yozuri or CXX .
Todd2 reply :
On 4/16/2018 at 6:24 PM, rangerjockey said:I use McCoy mean green. I think it handles better than Yozuri or CXX .
I don't know of any mono or copoly that handles better than McCoy. Especially on spinning gear.
Russ E reply :
On 4/16/2018 at 12:11 PM, NorthernBasser said:Nice. Is it safe to say that all copoly lines have less stretch than monos?
as a general rule, I would say yes. but it depends on the line.
trilene xt or big game are both mono, but they don't stretch as much as trilene xl.
ChrisD46 reply :
On 4/15/2018 at 11:55 PM, roadwarrior said:Yo-Zuri’s Hybrid Line is a 50/50 Co-polymer consisting of flourocarbon and nylon. Hybird’s extrusion process creates a true molecular blend of the two materials that is 100% waterproof with the abrasion resistance and sensitivity of flourocarbon but incorpoarting the flexability and stretch of nylon.
Point
- Co-polymer consisting of fluorocarbon and nylon
- Molecularly bonded during an exclusive extrusion process
- Abrasion resistance, UV resistance
- 100% waterproof
- Available in 600 and 275 yd. spools
- Low memory
Bonded, not coated.
I use Yo- Zuri Hybrid #12 lb. as an all - around mid depth to bottom depth line .
FrankN209 reply :
On 4/16/2018 at 4:41 AM, Mr Swim Jig said:
Can't go wrong with Yo-Zuri Hybrid, still one of my favorite go to lines...
I agree. Yo-Zuri is one of the strongest lines out there.
TBAG reply :
Sorry for bumping an older thread but I could use some advice.
I'm getting ready to order some Yo zuri Hybrid for a jig/texas rig specific rod and BC reel.
What # do you all recommend? I'll be fishing mainly creeks and smaller lakes, rock bottoms and some structure.
Also, I'm decent with a baitcaster and have been practicing so slowly getting better. I'd like to get whatever casts easiest while still performing.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 8/28/2018 at 11:17 PM, TBAG said:Sorry for bumping an older thread but I could use some advice.
I'm getting ready to order some Yo zuri Hybrid for a jig/texas rig specific rod and BC reel.
What # do you all recommend? I'll be fishing mainly creeks and smaller lakes, rock bottoms and some structure.
Also, I'm decent with a baitcaster and have been practicing so slowly getting better. I'd like to get whatever casts easiest while still performing.
Might have been better to start your own thread. From my reading...and limited experience with them...two of the best abrasion resistant lines are also two with more memory than most. Izorline Platimum and P-Line CXX. Use a line conditioner with them. My experience with McCoy Mean Green is very limited. Am trying it on one reel. Handles very well and is also suppose to be fairly abrasion resistant. I don't fish were a lot of abrasion resistance is required. Big Game is said to have pretty good abrasion resistance. I use it in both 8# and 12# on several reels, but like I said, abrasion isn't something I need to worry about. I also like Silver Thread AN40 and Siege for my fishing. Neon Tangerine makes it easy to see the line. 
Angry John reply :
On 8/28/2018 at 11:17 PM, TBAG said:Sorry for bumping an older thread but I could use some advice.
I'm getting ready to order some Yo zuri Hybrid for a jig/texas rig specific rod and BC reel.
What # do you all recommend? I'll be fishing mainly creeks and smaller lakes, rock bottoms and some structure.
Also, I'm decent with a baitcaster and have been practicing so slowly getting better. I'd like to get whatever casts easiest while still performing.
When I fished mainly rivers for smallies I was fond of 10lb yhb. I still use it a lot on medium setups. Mh I run 12 and heavy 15.
HookRz reply :
Casting? Gamma, gamma, and gamma. Low stretch low memory.
But in short pitch situations CXX. The 15# is as strong as you need up north and the abrasion resistance is ridiculous IMHO.
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