Monofilament Vs Copoly 2024
Green Trout reply :
What are some of the advantages of Copolymer over Monofilament? Out of these 2 lines, which one would you use for Jigs and T rigs?
roadwarrior reply :
Yo-Zuri Hybrid works for everything. If you want to get more technique specific, use monofilament for treble hooks.
bigbill reply :
Advantages less stretch, less lost fish copolymer. All I use is Excalibur silver thread copolymer line.
WPCfishing reply :
I like P-Line CX. It's a hybrid line with little stretch it's tough and casts great. I will not use a mono line for anything anymore.
Big C reply :
Co-Poly. Less stretch = better hook penetration, which is better for single hook baits. Ande Backwoods Co-Poly (my favorite) is super cheap, with decent quality.
MIbassyaker reply :
I usually use mono and braid, but I picked up a 300 yard spool of Vicious Co-Polymer super-cheap a couple months ago ....even the cheap stuff has noticeably better abrasion resistance, less memory, and less stretch than a standard mono like Trilene. I haven't decided if I'll move over from mono to a co-polymer completely, but I'm definitely impressed enough to sample a few more brands and use it more regularly.
WPCfishing reply :
On 10/8/2015 at 8:41 AM, MIbassyaker said:I usually use mono and braid, but I picked up a 300 yard spool of Vicious Co-Polymer super-cheap a couple months ago ....even the cheap stuff has noticeably better abrasion resistance, less memory, and less stretch than a standard mono like Trilene. I haven't decided if I'll move over from mono to a co-polymer completely, but I'm definitely impressed enough to sample a few more brands and use it more regularly.
The Trilene recipe has changed.. I rate it a ONE and that's for there packaging.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
i think that co-polymer line is the progression of mono line being that it's better at abrasion resistance , memory , and stretch . i used to use Izorline XXX co-polymer line till i ran into a bad spool of 25 lb. line and their customer service turned out to be a joke !! needless to say i have moved on from that brand & am using Gamma co-poly that is ridiculously strong and has low memory even in the higher pound test lines , definitely going to be all i use on my swimbait setup
bigbill reply :
I have tried different brands of copolymer lines. The difference I notice is some lines are a tad stiffer over Excalibur silver thread that makes my knot harder to tie.
Yozuri hybrid, was a good copolymer line too.
JustinU1X reply :
On 10/8/2015 at 6:03 AM, roadwarrior said:Yo-Zuri Hybrid works for everything. If you want to get more technique specific, use monofilament for treble hooks.
I usually see you mention Yo-Zuri, what is the 6# test like as far as break strength? Would it work for drop shooting?
ChrisD46 reply :
On 10/8/2015 at 6:03 AM, roadwarrior said:Yo-Zuri Hybrid works for everything. If you want to get more technique specific, use monofilament for treble hooks.
While Yo-Zuri Hybrid may be good for many things - I would still choose mono line specifically for top water baits .
Choporoz reply :
Another big Yo-Zuri fan here. Only line I use other than braid. The ONLY thing that is slightly negative, or you need to watch out for, is that when doubled over and 'creased', it can become brittle. Pays to be careful with backlashes and knotting. Rarely a problem, but something to be aware of. Other than that, it is incredibly strong. I use 8# and 15# for mainline and as leader material. Extremely strong and abrasion resistant. Memory properties far better than any flouro or mono I've tried, so its great on spinning reels. KVD L&L makes it even better - YZ responds very well to KVD L&L
roadwarrior reply :
Hybrid #6 has a breaking strength of 11.9 lbs. As Choporoz noted, any kink is a weak spot.
The fluorocarbon component in the line can crack, but with any line you must be diligent in
checking the line for cuts and abrasions.
Cmiller reply :
I really like p-line floroclear, it has excellent manageability, and less stretch than mono.
Jaw1 reply :
P-line is all I use anymore,but I like the yozuri hybrid also both serve me well
WRB reply :
This topic my be the more confusing than any other.
Define copolymer fishing line? What is a hybrid fishing line? What is mono line? How do they differ?
1. Copolymer line is a blend of 2 polymers, they are mixed during the pellet melt cycle when extruding the line into 1 filament.
2. Hybrid line is 2 polymers,1 Nylon and 1 fluorocarbon that are co extruded. The nylon polymer is the core and the fluorocarbon is extruded over the nylon becoming the outer surface of the single filament line.
3. Mono has become the term for single filament Nylon polymer line.
4. All of the above single filament lines are monofilament or single filament strand of fishing line, they appear or look the same. How do they differ? Fluorocarbon is heavier than Nylon and less flexible, it's not stronger or doesn't have higher physical strength, therefore it stretches equally to Nylon. Nylon absorbs water, fluorocarbon doesn't. Nylon being lighter weight tends to float on top of the water, fluorocarbon sinks.
Fluorocarbon is claimed to be less visible to fish do to lower refraction of light...who knows how fish see line or care? Single filament line that measures the same diameter have nearly equal strength, that includes all of the above; mono, copolymer and fluorocarbon and they all stretch equally. The primary difference being coefficient of drag going through water, fluorocarbon has less than Nylon and fluorocarbon sinks where Nylon tends to float. The downside of fluorocarbon is it's less flexible and tends to break if bent or notched (low notch strength) resulting in lower knot strength. Copolymer single filament line offers blended additives to help increase strength (questionable), self lubricate, improve heat resistance and UV resistance compared to a single polymer Nylon line. Hybrid single filament line claims to be less visible like fluorocarbon with a fluorocarbon jacket and remain flexible with good knot strength like Nylon. Hybrid sinks slower than fluorocarbon, stretches and is the same strength as Nylon or "mono" line.
Beware that line manufacturers have learned to increase the line diameter and label the larger diameter (thicker) with lower pound test rating. Evaluate all single filament line by it's diameter, do not be fooled by (thick line) with larger diameters, unless that doesn't matter to you.
Bottom line; no difference between "mono", copolymer and hybrid single filament fishing line, fluorocarbon offers less drag coefficient, heavier and sinks with less knot strength. No panacea in fishing line.
Tom
JustinU1X reply :
On 10/8/2015 at 10:13 PM, roadwarrior said:Hybrid #6 has a breaking strength of 11.9 lbs. As Choporoz noted, any kink is a weak spot.
The fluorocarbon component in the line can crack, but with any line you must be diligent in
checking the line for cuts and abrasions.
Do you have any idea what p line cxx 6# breaks at? Trying to decide between the two.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 10/9/2015 at 12:10 PM, JustinU1X said:Do you have any idea what p line cxx 6# breaks at? Trying to decide between the two.
Gamma Co- Poly 6 # breaks at 13 lbs.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
this is a chart for 20 lb. line ---
Big Bait Fishing reply :
this is a chart for 20 lb. braid --
Big Bait Fishing reply :
another chart of 10 lb. line tensile strength --
The Really Important Results...Lines Rated By Tensile Strength
Brand/Model............................................. ...Avg strength.......................................... ..Lbs Sq Inch/dry
P Line Evolution......................................... ....13.912........................................ .....146,382.064
P Line CXX extra strong, Flor Green.......................21.836................ .............................141,846.656
Stren Magnathin .011.......................................13.14.. .............................................138,3 53.778
Stren Magnathin .011, reliability double check..........13.139............................. ................138,248.558
P Line CXX extra strong, crystal clear .0145.............22.737.......................... ...................137,695.272
Gamma Copolymer Competition Grade .013.............18.249........................... ..................137,469.717
Stren Extra Strength .......................................15.25...... ........................................134,825.25
Sufix Tritanium Plus 0.013.................................17.337...... .......................................130,599.621
Sufix Seige .012...........................................14. 744.............................................13 0,351.704
Izorline XXX Super Copolymer .012........................14.501................ .............................128,203.341
Izorline Platinum .012......................................14.357.. ...........................................126,930 .237
Trilene Maxx .013...........................................16. 832.............................................12 6,795.456
Trilene XT .0135............................................. 18.101............................................ .126,453.586
Seaguar Fluoro 100% leader .01.............................9.888............. .................................125,894.016
Sufix Elite .012.............................................. .14.182........................................... ..125,383.062
Yozuri Hybrid .0125.........................................15.0 8..............................................123 ,067.88
Big Game clear .012.........................................13.77 ...............................................121 793.616
Berkely Big Game Hi Test Electric Green .014............17.676............................ .................114,823.296
P Line CFX 100% Floro leader .012........................12.649................ .............................111,829.809
P Line Floroclear Copolymer .012..........................12.618.............. ...............................111,555.738
Cabela's Pro Line Low Vis Green .012....................12.445.................... .........................110,026.245
Cajun Red .012.............................................1 2.107............................................. 107,037.987
Maxima Ultragreen 8 pound, 0.012........................12.101............... ..............................106,984.941
Stren Original .013..........................................13.9 43.............................................105 ,032.619
Danielson Plus 7 .012.......................................11.699. ............................................103,43 0.859
Maxima Chameleon 8 pound, 0 .012......................11.462.................. ...........................101,335.542
Makima Ultragreen 0.014...................................15.519.... .........................................100,811.4 24
Ande green .012.............................................. .11.142........................................... ..98,506.422
Maxima Chameleon .014.....................................15.019... ..........................................97,563.4 24
WRB reply :
To convert mm to inches X .03937, .43mm = 0.0169
The 20 lb line chart ranges from .47mm / .0185 to .37mm / .0145.... That is like comparing apples to oranges!
Sunline wasn't listed, should be similar to Seaguar line data.
Good stuff, you should be able to see why line diameter is important.
Tatsu, the gold standard for fluorocarbon line, is listed near the bottom because it's rates the line diameter (.0145) to lb test (20.9) is labeled honestly.
Tom
Catt reply :
Berkley Big Game is the highest abrasion resistant & shock absorption.
In the real world those two qualities out weigh every thing else!
K_Mac reply :
Catt you have caught more bass than I ever will. In spite of that, I will take a good fluorocarbon or copolymer every time, except for crankbaits. WRB all of your data does not reflect the way a line feels when fished. That is information that cannot be ignored IMO.
WRB reply :
You need to explain to me what you mean by feel.On 10/10/2015 at 5:18 AM, K_Mac said:Catt you have caught more bass than I ever will. In spite of that, I will take a good fluorocarbon or copolymer every time, except for crankbaits. WRB all of your data does not reflect the way a line feels when fished. That is information that cannot be ignored IMO.
Consider this fact: I started using Sunline Shooter in 1995, that is 20 years of feeling FC line when jig and worm fishing. Prior to 1995 I used Maxima, P-line CXX copolymer and Berkely XT and Big game for jig and worm fishing since the early 60's...over 30 years using mono prior to FC line a total of over 50 years fishing jigs and worms from depths of 1' to 80' , averaging over 5 DD bass per year, that is what I base my information on. When I say line diameter is important it's because all other line properties are based on diameter; abrasion resistance, knot strength, impact strength, memory, tensile strength, coefficient of drag, line reel management, etc, etc.
Don't you wonder how we managed to detect strikes, set hooks and land thousands of bass, hundreds of giant bass using mono line before FC line became available? I changed to FC because it offers a straighter distance between my rod tip and jig or worm, less line bow, less drag = better strike detection and anything that improves strike detection and doesn't diminish number of strikes is good. The down side to FC is reduced knot and impact strength, you must tie perfect knots and be ready for sudden forces applied by the bass to reduce breaking off big and for those reasons I prefer mono line at night. I have changed my mono to Sunline Armilo Defier Nylon for swimbaits and considering it for all my bass fishing.
Tom
k3bass reply :
I like Mccoys mean green for copolymer.
K_Mac reply :
WRB I also managed to catch fish in many different conditions on mono for years-Tilene XL in particular, most of the time. When I found copoly I realized that it offered better fishing characteristics for me. For contact baits I now feel the same about fluorocarbon. I guess my point is the only real question when it comes to line is, "What do you use?" "Why" is a subjective judgement, as shown by the numbers of fishermen that both love and hate any line mentioned.
Catt reply :
On 10/10/2015 at 5:18 AM, K_Mac said:Catt you have caught more bass than I ever will. In spite of that, I will take a good fluorocarbon or copolymer every time, except for crankbaits. WRB all of your data does not reflect the way a line feels when fished. That is information that cannot be ignored IMO.
I've fished every fluorocarbon & copolymer made; abrasion resistant & shock absorption of Big Game is far beyond any fluoro or copoly!
In the heavy cover (wood) and deep structure I fish these two are a must; the only time I use anything else is punching with braid.
BassWhole! reply :
On 10/10/2015 at 8:23 AM, Catt said:I've fished every fluorocarbon & copolymer made; abrasion resistant & shock absorption of Big Game is far beyond any fluoro or copoly!
In the heavy cover (wood) and deep structure I fish these two are a must; the only time I use anything else is punching with braid.
^THIS.
I'll just add knot strength to the equation. I started surf fishing at night from the surf with a 20+ wind in your face, and learned how to detect bucktail bites with mono, so this LMB thing is easy. I will say that flouro does transmit more information, but that's cause its stiffer. I like Catt, am not willing to give up the dependability of a good salt water mono, and catch lots of fish. But to each his own.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 10/9/2015 at 10:47 PM, WRB said:To convert mm to inches X .03937, .43mm = 0.0169
The 20 lb line chart ranges from .47mm / .0185 to .37mm / .0145.... That is like comparing apples to oranges!
Sunline wasn't listed, should be similar to Seaguar line data.
Good stuff, you should be able to see why line diameter is important.
Tatsu, the gold standard for fluorocarbon line, is listed near the bottom because it's rates the line diameter (.0145) to lb test (20.9) is labeled honestly.
Tom
tatsu 20 lb. is .37 & breaks at 20.9 lbs. - Gamma copolymer 14 lb. is .36 & breaks at 23 lbs . as you know line sizes are ALL over the place !!!!
i imagine Sunline Sniper rates up there in line strength , strongest flouro i've ever used ...
WRB reply :
Don't know how the testing was performed, 10 test samples, remove the high and low and divide by 8 = average valve is the norm protocol. -+/- 10 % is within the protocol, outside of that it's questionable data.
Line diameter dominates the data regardless how it's skewed. Big Game is good line and I still use it for crank baits but it's under rated as far as line diameter. Mono or polymer line in the 10-20 lb range should be about 1 lb test per one thousandth (.001) diameter; 12. Lb tests = .012 diameter as a general rule.
The old saying "don't confuse me with facts my mind is made up" is appropriate for this topic.
Enjoy your thick line, I will use the smallest strongest I can find. Sunline 30 lb test Shooter is .43 mm / .017 D, break strength about 35 lbs, they should label it 17 lb test and everyone would think it's superline, because it is!
If you are using 15 lb Big Game you can use 22 lb Sunline Armilo Defier Nyon, 50% stronger at the same .015 diameter! Down side 3X the price!
Tom
JustinU1X reply :
On 10/8/2015 at 6:03 AM, roadwarrior said:Yo-Zuri Hybrid works for everything. If you want to get more technique specific, use monofilament for treble hooks.
I know you like 6# on spinning gear. Would you still use 6# for both finesse jigs and drop shot or bump up to 8#?
WRB reply :
Using Yo-Zuri 6# you are already using 10# line, it's .010 diameter, it's just labeled 6#, why would you want to heavier?
Peace, got to give thus up and give credit to Yo-Zuri marketing labeling.
Tom
roadwarrior reply :
Yo-Zuri Hybrid #6 has a breaking strength of 19.5 lbs and is
exactly the same diameter as Ande Premium #6, .010"
http://www.andemonofilament.com/linespecs.php
Note too that Ande fishing line accounts for over 1800 World Records.
So, although there are no industry standards, I would argue that Ande
is a good proxy.
BassThumb reply :
Big fan of the standard (not Ultra Soft) Yo Zuri Hybrid! I probably would have never discovered this terrific line had I not found Bass Resource.
I use the 10-12# mostly for reaction baits, with 10# being reserved for cranks. I don't do a lot of deep cranking, using a little thicker line doesn't bother me.
Mono would offer more stretch and perhaps an extra fish or two, but Hybrid flat-out saves money due to it's toughness and abrasion resistances. Hybrid is also more sensitive than any mono I've used. After all, my local lakes are full of toothy critters that would cut right through mono, but with Hybrid, they just scuff it up and force me to retie a lure that I would have otherwise lost.
hatrix reply :
That is true about how a line feels when fished. I guess I never thought of it but I subconsciously take that into consideration on how much I like a line. I still say unequivocally that Tatsu is the best line I have ever used hands down. Casting, feel, stretch, sensitivity, toughness, knot strength, ect. It is so much better then any line I seriously put time in using.
I still love a freshly spooled reel of CXX though. It's tuff to beat for what it is.
I would like to add Tatsu is worth the investment. Most guys probably change out line so many times that it is equal or more then what Tatsu would of cost for how long it lasts.
Catt reply :
This is my texting ground. 
long island basser reply :
On 10/11/2015 at 5:24 AM, Catt said:This is my texting ground.
I like that!!!
WRB reply :
Andre Premium doesn't comply to IGFA rules, Ande Tournament does, 6# is .008 and must have a break strength that doesn't exceed it's rated # test.On 10/11/2015 at 2:28 AM, roadwarrior said:Yo-Zuri Hybrid #6 has a breaking strength of 19.5 lbs and is
exactly the same diameter as Ande Premium #6, .010"
http://www.andemonofilament.com/linespecs.php
Note too that Ande fishing line accounts for over 1800 World Records.
So, although there are no industry standards, I would argue that Ande
is a good proxy.
Your mind is made up, however Yo-Zuri will ever hold a line class IGFA world record with it's current Hybrid. The only person that needs to be happy with their line is the angler using it.
Peace.
Tom
JustinU1X reply :
I recently bought some yo zuri, it was pretty stretchy I was kind of surprised. It was 6#, is that normal? Does it get better the higher the test?
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