Crankbait Knot 2024
drew27c reply :
Hi all,
I use the palomar for everyhting. Strong as heck, easy to tie and all that. My only concern is when tying it on bigger lures and cranks, you need a big loop and thus a long tag end so expensive line is wasted. Is there another knot that you folks use for bigger baits?
Hanover_Yakker reply :
Depends - if the crank has a split ring or not and you are concerned about lure action more critical on a clearwater bite than other times in my opinion. If action is not a concern, then you can learn how to tie a palomar without wasting a lot of line, but another knot to consider is the Rapala Knot or MirrOlure knot. Both are quick and easy. I've also used the improved clinch but had it fail, so I don't tie thatone anymore. The fastest knot I have ever used and would recommend is the Canoe Man's knot.
gripnrip reply :
For braid I use a double palomar. Mono a regular Palomar and flouro a uni knot. Just wet any of those knots and you're good to go!
roadwarrior reply :
Pitzen
Also known as a 16/ 20 or Duncan Knot
http://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/pitzen-knot
I suggest one slight modification: Wrap the line from the bottom to the top.
This is a much neater knot and functions much like a noose.
p.s. Welcome aboard!
drew27c reply :
Even the most efficient palomar on a 4 inch crank wastes at least 5 inches of braid. I'll have a look at these options so far. Thanks guys.
PABASS reply :
I like the improved clinch as well but you can try the sandeigo jam.
http://www.animatedknots.com/sandiegojam/
webertime reply :
Mono and braid = Trilene Knot it has nearly no waste.
Fuoro = San Diego Jam maybe an inch of waste.
ColdSVT reply :
i use the palomar for everything
my question however is why are you using braid for crankbaits?...Braid floats and hinders the achievable depth for any crankbait
gripnrip reply :
On 5/8/2013 at 4:08 AM, ColdSVT said:i use the palomar for everything
my question however is why are you using braid for crankbaits?...Braid floats and hinders the achievable depth for any crankbait
To each his own. It depends on where and how I'm fishing. If I am fishing grass with a red eye I'll use braid. It I fish a crankbait from the bank I use braid. Reason being is I pay good money for a bait and I'll be danged if I break it off without getting it back.
The best stick in our club uses nothing but braid on everything. If Don isn't catching fish I almost guarantee you 3/4 of the club won't be either.
Got1Fishing reply :
Rapala knot for cranks.
retiredbosn reply :
Use a snap lock, tie the Palomar
ColdSVT reply :
certainly I would use braid a lipless in grass or any other veggiesOn 5/8/2013 at 5:10 AM, gripnrip said:To each his own. It depends on where and how I'm fishing. If I am fishing grass with a red eye I'll use braid. It I fish a crankbait from the bank I use braid. Reason being is I pay good money for a bait and I'll be danged if I break it off without getting it back.
The best stick in our club uses nothing but braid on everything. If Don isn't catching fish I almost guarantee you 3/4 of the club won't be either.
however with a diving crank I go flouro. usually 12# for deep divers and 14# for square bills
one thing however, dont be so afraid to lose a bait. I only say this because I used to be like that too and ive learned over that sometimes you gotta sacrifice some baits in order to catch fish. even though I hate it I will throw a 6xd or a lucky craft deep into timber knowing I will either lose the bait or catch a fish or end up back in there trying to get my lure out. I fish jigs the same way only I use heavy braid vice 12# flouro
WRB reply :
+1On 5/8/2013 at 5:18 AM, retiredbosn said:Use a snap lock, tie the Palomar
I use a light wire Berkley cross snap for crankbaits, easier to change lures and improves action.
Original Rapalas or light weight hard jerk baits you can tie a loop knot ot tie direct with a San Diego Jam knot.
Tom
rockchalk06 reply :
Shaw Grigsby knot for everything, With 40 pound braid, I can almost flatten a 3x 30 degree round bend hook with it before the line breaks. I have not had the knot fail yet. Line breaks before the knot.
Scott F reply :
On 5/8/2013 at 4:08 AM, ColdSVT said:i use the palomar for everything
my question however is why are you using braid for crankbaits?...Braid floats and hinders the achievable depth for any crankbait
Braid is not so buoyant that it has any effect on the depth a crankbait will run. A single hook causes braid to sink. I use braid on my suspending jerkbaits and they suspend perfectly. If the "floating" braid was that buoyant, It would cause the baits to rise up, but it doesn't. If you are using braid in the smaller diameters, your baits will run much deeper than mono or fluoro because the smaller line has less resistance in the water. The increased sensitivity and no stretch of braid will also let you feel your bites much better.
Use a snap for your big crankbaits. Even with a palomar, there will be very little waste.
ww2farmer reply :
On 5/8/2013 at 4:08 AM, ColdSVT said:i use the palomar for everything
my question however is why are you using braid for crankbaits?...Braid floats and hinders the achievable depth for any crankbait
I use braid on all my crankbaits............just check my fishing reports for how "poorly" it works.
PondBoss reply :
On 5/8/2013 at 4:08 AM, ColdSVT said:i use the palomar for everything
my question however is why are you using braid for crankbaits?...Braid floats and hinders the achievable depth for any crankbait
Not entirely true. Braid does float that is true, however the much smaller line diameter will allow additional depth.`
ColdSVT reply :
On 5/8/2013 at 10:26 AM, ww2farmer said:I use braid on all my crankbaits............just check my fishing reports for how "poorly" it works.
I never said anything about poorly workin
I said it hinders performance on achievable depth.
I ise braid on my shallow runners sometimes. but when it comes to deep crankin mono or floiro is the way to go imho
PondBoss reply :
On 5/9/2013 at 2:06 AM, ColdSVT said:I never said anything about poorly workin
I said it hinders performance on achievable depth.
I ise braid on my shallow runners sometimes. but when it comes to deep crankin mono or floiro is the way to go imho
Braid does not hinder maximum depth, if anything it helps acheive greater depth.
ColdSVT reply :
On 5/9/2013 at 2:18 AM, PondBoss said:Braid does not hinder maximum depth, if anything it helps acheive greater depth.
I just dont see how that is possible if braid floats
im not tryin to start a fight here,
are you saying that braids smaller diameter causes less drag therefore more depth is achievable?
an example being that say 14# braid being considerably smaller than flouro of the same strength will get a deep crank deeper even though the braid is more bouyant than flouro?
Scott F reply :
Exactly. Thinner diameter lines let lures run deeper than thicker lines. The resistance of the water pushes up on the line keeping the bait from going deeper. Go from 12 pound test to 10 pound line (mono or fluoro) and your bait will run up to about 1 foot deeper on average. Braided line being so much thinner, has less resistance so baits run even deeper.
If braid were as buoyant as a bobber, your baits would not be able to dive. But braid just barely floats. It takes very little to get it to sink. It is not much more buoyant than Fluoro which does sink but it is not so heavy that it will drag down a floating bait. Most of the crankbaits you use float, but they will still dive down deep.
flyfisher reply :
You can use a palomar and after making the loop work the standing line down some and you can minimize the excess.
It is rarely a concern for me though because I use snaps and tie direct with a palomar.
WRB reply :
Braided line manufacturers have invested a lot of time and money to create neutral buoyancy braid that doesn't float. The reason is line bow when the lure is sinking on it's own. The line creates slack line and you loose feel of the lure and can miss strikes under some conditions.
Deep diving crankbaits keeps the line tight and can pull the bow out of the line. The smaller diameter does have less drag if everything else is equal and it isn't! Braid maybe smaller in diameter but has very high drag coeffient compared to FC line. For this reason newer braids have a blend of FC to reduce drag. The newer braids would be a good choice and small diameter FC line if depth is a goal.
Tom
Scott F reply :
On 5/9/2013 at 8:55 AM, WRB said:Braided line manufacturers have invested a lot of time and money to create neutral buoyancy braid that doesn't float. The reason is line bow when the lure is sinking on it's own. The line creates slack line and you loose feel of the lure and can miss strikes under some conditions.
Deep diving crankbaits keeps the line tight and can pull the bow out of the line. The smaller diameter does have less drag if everything else is equal and it isn't! Braid maybe smaller in diameter but has very high drag coeffient compared to FC line. For this reason newer braids have a blend of FC to reduce drag. The newer braids would be a good choice and small diameter FC line if depth is a goal.
Tom
I've been searching the web for more information on the drag coefficient of braided and fluoro lines and can't find anything except in terms of line diameter. Can you point me to the source of your info on the drag of fishing lines?
Diggy reply :
Trilene knot on a clasp
Mike L reply :
Getting back to the question...
After bringing the lure through the loop, pull both ends to consolidate the knot.
Pull the mainline to snug the knot to the lure.
Pull tag end only to tighten, which would leave very little waste.
Cut tag end to preferrence.
Mike
ColdSVT reply :
i'll buy that for a buckOn 5/9/2013 at 4:35 AM, Scott F said:Exactly. Thinner diameter lines let lures run deeper than thicker lines. The resistance of the water pushes up on the line keeping the bait from going deeper. Go from 12 pound test to 10 pound line (mono or fluoro) and your bait will run up to about 1 foot deeper on average. Braided line being so much thinner, has less resistance so baits run even deeper.
If braid were as buoyant as a bobber, your baits would not be able to dive. But braid just barely floats. It takes very little to get it to sink. It is not much more buoyant than Fluoro which does sink but it is not so heavy that it will drag down a floating bait. Most of the crankbaits you use float, but they will still dive down deep.
Hooligan reply :
Palomar is the single knot that I absolutely detest. Everyone recommends it, however it is one of the very worst with fluorocarbon. The Pitzen is the best, and the single Uni is a good knot as well.
Many, many pros won't use the Palomar any more. Marten, KVD, Evers, they all use other knots because of the inherent weakness of the Palomar.
Hooligan reply :
Braid is extremely buoyant, as the material it is made of is 100% hydrophobic. It takes a large amount to get it to sink, in comparison to its volume.On 5/9/2013 at 4:35 AM, Scott F said:If braid were as buoyant as a bobber, your baits would not be able to dive. But braid just barely floats. It takes very little to get it to sink. It is not much more buoyant than Fluoro which does sink but it is not so heavy that it will drag down a floating bait. Most of the crankbaits you use float, but they will still dive down deep.
You're 100% incorrect about fluorocarbon not dragging down on a top water bait. Try fishing a 1/4 ounce Yellow Magic with fluorocarbon and the popper doesn't work because the line is pulling the bait down at an odd angle.
Hooligan reply :
Wrong on multiple levels.On 5/9/2013 at 2:18 AM, PondBoss said:Braid does not hinder maximum depth, if anything it helps acheive greater depth.
Braid hinders depth because of its very, very high drag.
It hinders depth because of very high flotation that causes bellying- which in turn increases drag.
PondBoss reply :
Sorry but you're wrong on that. 10lb braid has a much much smaller diameter than 10lb mono or fluorocarbon. The lack of diameter more than makes up for what little flotation the braid provides.
Hooligan reply :
In theory, yes. But it is hydrophobic and as a result has much greater drag because of the flotation. Physics don't lie.
Scott F reply :
On 5/10/2013 at 1:47 PM, Hooligan said:Wrong on multiple levels.
Braid hinders depth because of its very, very high drag.
It hinders depth because of very high flotation that causes bellying- which in turn increases drag.
I'm still looking for some reference material that discuss' drag and fishing line. Where do I find this information that you have found?
ww2farmer reply :
On 5/10/2013 at 1:47 PM, Hooligan said:Wrong on multiple levels.
Braid hinders depth because of its very, very high drag.
It hinders depth because of very high flotation that causes bellying- which in turn increases drag.
Well I must live in an alternate universe than you.........FACT is I get crankbaits deeper on 20lb braid than I do with 10 or 12lb fluorocarbon. I can take the same bait, used on the same rod, in the same locations/depths and hit the bottom with 20lb braid in less time, and on a shorter cast than I can with fluorocarbon used on the same set up. On a long cast with braid, the bait will still out-dive the same bait tied on fluoro, but the gap is closer because of the "bow" in the line. I get a lot more hooks into fish on the end of a long cast with braid too. BUT I will say this, EQUAL diameters of braid vs. fluoro...............the fluoro wins. I CAN NOT, get cranks as deep with 50lb braid (12lb diameter) as I can with 12lb fluoro. Which is why I use 20lb (6 lb dia.) braid. They will get deeper on that line than 10 or 12 lb fluoro.
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