7:1:1, Do I Really Need It? 2024

Sodus Bay Scooter reply :

I want to make a straight jig pitching rod. I already have the rod but I'm still on the fence about a 7:1 gear ratio.

For those of you that have the experience between a 6.1 vs a 7.1 for jigs only, could you give me your opinion and push me off the fence one way or the other? Thanks!

Basswhippa reply :

I don't have a 7 to 1. I will say this, if you tend to fish too fast go 6 to 1. If not, faster is better for what you are doing. Also, if you might need a more versatile reel, 6 to 1 is better.

Otherwise, preference.

00 mod reply :

7.1 might not be exactly what you need, but the most IPT is. Helps take up slack line faster for quicker hooksets!

Jeff

Brian Needham reply :

inches per turn matter more than ratio

my lews are 31" for 7.1:1 and 28" for 6.4:1...... while my shimanos are 27-28" for 7.1:1.

that being said most of my reels are labeled 7.1, and mostly the lews 7.1.

bassandcats reply :

7.1 for picking up line quick to set the hook, especially when jig fishing fish hit it on the fall alot. I have a 7.1 on my pitching rod and like it just fine.

bassandcats reply :

i have a lews 7.1 as well, the speed spool

flyfisher reply :

Also look at inches per turn. You will probably find the difference isn't very much between those ratios.

Toeshots reply :

It's more so about the IPT, don't get as hung up on the gear ratio.

As already mentioned, you can take up line more quickly to set the hook or get your bait back in the strike zone more quickly. It also helps get fish to the surface quickly when you need to get them away from heavy cover. You don't NEED a burner, but they certainly have their benefits.

LgMouthGambler reply :

Faster the reel, the faster you get the fish out of the hole. My hollow frog rig and jig/pitch rigs are 7:1

Hi Salenity reply :

7.1 & don't leave home without it.

MrSwimJig reply :

IPT is most important, with that said most of my reels are 7:1.1

Sodus Bay Scooter reply :

Okay, so far I'm about to fall off onto the high speed side. Another question I have is, do you feel like the faster the reel the harder it is to crank?

Excellent responses so far.

LgMouthGambler reply :

Crank? Are you refering to crankbaits?

Sodus Bay Scooter reply :

No, not crankbait. I mean just how hard to turn the reel crank.

LgMouthGambler reply :

No harder than any other ratio in the same reel.

Brian Needham reply :

smoothness and ease of winding is the same no matter the ratio of the gears.

only time you have to "worry" about such things is when cranking on 20+ foot crankbaits.

tnriverluver reply :

Fighting a BIG fish on a 7:1 sucks if that is what you are asking.

retiredbosn reply :

I personally do not like burner reels, anything over 28 ipt with a 6.5:1 like Abu makes. In answer to your question about harder to crank, yes. To achieve the speed you give up torque, just as a car with a 411 rear end makes more torque than one with a 372 rear end. It has the same horsepower yes, and same torque at the engine, but where the rubber meets the road, no. I want the torque to move the fish out of cover, others want the speed, and in the fishing world we aren't talking about a huge amount of difference in amount of force required. Most people think that the reason crankin reels are low geared and have low ipt is to make the deep divers run true, while this is correct to a point it is as much about angler comfort. If you don't believe this take your crankin set up and a jig set up with a burner to the lake with a DD22, you will exert more force at the handle to crank the DD22 with the high geared reel than you will with a low gear reel even if you reel slow to offset the ipt. The low gear reels are made to move baits, fish etc with less force by the angler. I'm not talking drag, or anything like that, just the amount of force you apply. You can have a 7.1:1 and a 4.7:1 geared reels that both have the same ipt, it will require less effort to rotate the handle on the low geared than the 7.1:1. The same reason applies with the longer handles, cranking reels typically have a longer handle, again for the torque. What you can do to offset the torque issue is to add a longer handle to the reel. There are reels out there that are low geared and take in alot of line, the C3 by Abu has a 5.3:1 gear but takes in 25ipt, the C4 has a 6.4:1 and takes in 30ipt, here you can move both a large amount of line without sacrificing the torque required

flippin and pitchin reply :

When you are pitching, speed is your friend. It's close quarters presentation and normally in or around heavy cover. The bite can come the millisecond the lure hits the water or just as you lift it out for your next pitch. You already know that. Getting your lure in when no bite takes place, faster, allows you to make more presentaions per minute and the more your lure is in the strike zone, the greater chance to get bit. Having the ability to take up line fast after the strike will get a fish moving your way and reduce the chance of getting mired in the cover.

mnbassman23 reply :

On 1/17/2013 at 9:59 AM, flippin and pitchin said:
When you are pitching, speed is your friend. It's close quarters presentation and normally in or around heavy cover. The bite can come the millisecond the lure hits the water or just as you lift it out for your next pitch. You already know that. Getting your lure in when no bite takes place, faster, allows you to make more presentaions per minute and the more your lure is in the strike zone, the greater chance to get bit. Having the ability to take up line fast after the strike will get a fish moving your way and reduce the chance of getting mired in the cover.

X2 well said, this is why I use a high speed reel when pitching

Teal reply :

I pitch jigs year round on two separate Lews Tourneys Pros and i have found that i much rather have the 7.1 i can take up slack quickly and as for it being too quick if you swimming it or quickly bouncing it, i havent found that to be the case but the reel operator can always slow down a touch.

Def agree that you should be more intrsted in IPT.

Personally i havent noticed it being a harder fight than my 6.3:1 reels.

With all that said, if you want an all round reel that that you can uuse for most techniques, get a 6.1, but it is my opinon that 7.1 is better for pitching jigs.

Sodus Bay Scooter reply :

LOVE the responses. So I've fallen and hit the groud but waiting for the spring classic sale to start running. Gen 3 revo sx 7.1 here we come.

Thanks a bunch guys!

Ps. I would buy another revo s but they don't come in 7.1

Toeshots reply :

On 1/17/2013 at 1:07 PM, LAG ISSUEZ said:
LOVE the responses. So I've fallen and hit the groud but waiting for the spring classic sale to start running. Gen 3 revo sx 7.1 here we come.
Thanks a bunch guys!

Ps. I would buy another revo s but they don't come in 7.1

Psssst:

http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Abu-Garcia-REVO-SX-High-Speed-Baitcasting-Reel&i=401566&aID=504AA2&merchID=4006

Sodus Bay Scooter reply :

Thanks, but I'm looking to get the gen 3. Not only that but I'm returning my carbonlite reel to bass pro and applying the money towards the sx.

Toeshots reply :

Woops. Missed that in your post. Good luck.

tbone1993 reply :

On 1/17/2013 at 1:07 PM, LAG ISSUEZ said:
LOVE the responses. So I've fallen and hit the groud but waiting for the spring classic sale to start running. Gen 3 revo sx 7.1 here we come.
Thanks a bunch guys!

Ps. I would buy another revo s but they don't come in 7.1

Put your money towards the gen 3 stx 8.0 ratio thats a badass reel. anything else and id go with the lews tournament pro speed spool. Guess what is sitting right next to me brand new? The TP speed spool guess what reel is about to be next the STX gen 3 8.o abu. Guess what next another winch . yes i am addicted to fishing buy arent we all?

War Eagle 44 reply :

I know you've already decided which way you're going and I agree, for a jig only reel 7.1 is the way to go, I just wanted to give my thoughts on a few points discussed here. I don't use many high speed reels currently, as best I remember I only own 2 at the moment but I don't feel they lack the power or torque to fight big fish easily.

My Curado DHSV has really good power in my opinion, I'm not exactly sure of the IPT anymore but it's fast enough to be a great pitch/flip or jig reel. These reels feature an aluminum frame and handle side plate which keeps the gears in perfect alignment and doesn't allow any flex which results in good cranking power. I also remember reading a review when the E series first came out that the main gear in the D series was slightly bigger than the one in the new E series and in the opinion of the tester this lessened the cranking power a bit.

I know you're going with a new Revo, my point to that was that all 7.1 reels aren't created equal. Just because one brand or model doesn't have good cranking power under load doesn't mean none do. I've never fished a Revo so I can't help you there but I think I remember reading that the new gen 3 Revo has bigger gears than before so it could turn out to be a really good 7.1 reel. I hope it does for you, let us know.

DINK WHISPERER reply :

Definately a fast IPT reel on that set up! My jig/worm rod has an 8.0:1 STX gen 3 on it and its perfect! The majority of my hits are always on the fall. Line slacks up and the fish starts to swim away. You have to reel slack in, hit em and get them moving your way as fast as you can.

J Francho reply :

I don't feel any difference fighting a fish, or getting a hookset in, regardless of ratio, or IPT. The only time it has ever mattered to me is deep, vertical drop shot for smallies. They tend to run strait up, faster than any high speed reel. Otherwise, it's only a convenience when you DON'T get bit,and you want to get your bait in fast to make another cast.

Sodus Bay Scooter reply :

Dang! I just got ham boned. I looked up the STX and it only comes in right hand retrieve for the 8.1. Why do they do that? I don't see that it should be any more complicated to make a left hand as it would be a right.

STX 8.1 owners, is that faster speed even more apparent as a 7.1 is to a 6.1?

Sodus Bay Scooter reply :

Man, that actually really bothers me about the left hand retrieve. I just wrote an email to Abu Garcia. I wasn't rude or anything but I basically told them how they are missing out on a sale and how they would be opening up their products to an even larger fan base if they simply offered all speeds in all models on both retrieves.

I know they are probably trying to be savvy by limiting features in one reel to make you spring for the next one up but really? Is it that serious? They should stop pud whackin and just make it right you know.

Teal reply :

Thats natures way of telling you to go with a 7.1

retiredbosn reply :

Wow 33 ipt, that 8.0:1 is a screamer. The 7.1:1 brings in 29 on the STX, the Chronarch 7.1:1 brings in 30, and the Lews 7.1:1 brings in 31. I have no idea how measurable of a difference that is. I know my only burner reel now has 4.6:1 gears, I didn't see an appreciable difference in the retrieve speedwise in the line of reesl it came out of and changed it to another cranking reel.

tbone1993 reply :

On 1/18/2013 at 1:12 AM, LAG ISSUEZ said:
Man, that actually really bothers me about the left hand retrieve. I just wrote an email to Abu Garcia. I wasn't rude or anything but I basically told them how they are missing out on a sale and how they would be opening up their products to an even larger fan base if they simply offered all speeds in all models on both retrieves.

I know they are probably trying to be savvy by limiting features in one reel to make you spring for the next one up but really? Is it that serious? They should stop pud whackin and just make it right you know.

I learned on a right hand retrieve just because of that reason. Oddly enough i fish spinning reels on the opposite hand. The reason is because I cast with my right hand and just switch hands, unless I am flipping or pitching. You should be fine with the stx 7.0 the 8.0 is crazy fast and it might overpower you if you never used a high gear ratio before. ** or even the sx which ever reel you choose

tbone1993 reply :

On 1/18/2013 at 2:14 AM, retiredbosn said:
Wow 33 ipt, that 8.0:1 is a screamer. The 7.1:1 brings in 29 on the STX, the Chronarch 7.1:1 brings in 30, I have no idea how measurable of a difference that is. I know my only burner reel now has 4.6:1 gears, I didn't see an appreciable difference in the retrieve speedwise in the line of reesl it came out of and changed it to another cranking reel.

Thats opposite of a burner reel? If anything thats best for slow rolling and deeper baits.

J Francho reply :

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Wow 33 ipt, that 8.0:1 is a screamer.

A 7.1:1 Zillion is almost 32"/turn. The Daiwa T3 8.1:1 is 34"/turn.

retiredbosn reply :

On 1/18/2013 at 2:22 AM, tbone1993 said:
Thats opposite of a burner reel? If anything thats best for slow rolling and deeper baits.

I didn't like the high speed and switched the gears out, fits my style better, lol Took it from a 7.1:1 to a 4.6:1

DINK WHISPERER reply :

On 1/18/2013 at 1:12 AM, LAG ISSUEZ said:
Man, that actually really bothers me about the left hand retrieve. I just wrote an email to Abu Garcia. I wasn't rude or anything but I basically told them how they are missing out on a sale and how they would be opening up their products to an even larger fan base if they simply offered all speeds in all models on both retrieves.

I know they are probably trying to be savvy by limiting features in one reel to make you spring for the next one up but really? Is it that serious? They should stop pud whackin and just make it right you know.

I absolutely agree with you. This STX is my only RH retrieve reel and it bothers me! If they ever release a LH i will sale mine and get it.

BobP reply :

I watched a KVD video about pitching jigs and he says he uses a high speed reel because it gets the bait back faster for the next pitch - and in a day's fishing, that can mean a few extra fish in the boat. Most of us aren't that hard core and I think the video came out before 7 ratio reels were available. I have 6.2's and 7's and pitch with a 6.2 because it's just a bit better caster and smoother retriever. Just a little more comfortable. I'm not saying the 7's would have a hard time pulling a hawg out of a laydown since most of the latest reels have much larger gear sets anyway, but a slightly lower ratio reel will make it a bit easier and to me, a 6.2 Shimano is more of a 'do anything' tool.

bassh8er reply :

With the way KVD fishes, I'm surprised that Quantum makes anything slower than a 7.1:1 reel. He probably needs a 5.1:1 reel to fish as fast as the rest of us do with a 7.1:1 "Burner".

Sodus Bay Scooter reply :

On 1/24/2013 at 12:57 PM, bassh8er said:
With the way KVD fishes, I'm surprised that Quantum makes anything slower than a 7.1:1 reel. He probably needs a 5.1:1 reel to fish as fast as the rest of us do with a 7.1:1 "Burner".

I know right? Abu seems to beating everyone to the punch with their 8.1 reels. By the way, just off topic, have you seen the new MGXtreme coming out? 4.9 Ounces and $500 bones. Crazy. Check out tackle warehouse to see it.

Hooligan reply :

Do you need it? No. Any reel that retrieves line is adequate. Does it make fishing plastics and jigs tremendously more efficient and effective? Yes. If I am pitching jigs, for instance, I can get two to three more casts at a piece of cover because I don't waste time retrieving through dead water with a lower gear ratio. If you're concerned about fishing fast, it isn't the reel that is going to make the final difference. it is you, and your bait movement that needs to change. The reel only picks up slack line, it isn't moving the bait.

Sodus Bay Scooter reply :

Hooligan, that's pretty much exactly why I'm looking for one at 7.1. I'd like to get the bait out of dead water quickly for more presentations.

scbassin reply :

I like high speed when worm fishing,get them out of the cover quickly. So all of my worm fishing is done with a M/H rod & a Shimano 7.1.1 reel. I can't wait to see what the Shimano Metanium 2013 XG 8.0:1 is going to be like. Being left-handed I find that the Japanese tend to make there reels for both left & right handed people.

papajoe222 reply :

I have one 'burner' and it's mounted on my jig rod. It's all about line recovery to me. The faster I can pick up the slack and get that fish moving away from cover, the better. Check the line recovery stat on the reel first. Gear ration can fool you into believing it's a fast reel, line recovery proves it.

Gabes1 reply :

Love my Revo. Also gets your bait back quicker for the next flip or pitch

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