When Bass are out of water 2024
localhost reply :
What do you figure is happening to the Bass while it's out of water, was curious if it will be suffocating or what the whole thing would be to them.
Back in the day I had no problem keeping fish but now ever since I started having a conscious I can't kill or watch a fish suffer.
Almost no fun now catching Bass only to traumatize them.
I've heard people say Bass are stupid but I have yet to find one that is.
JustALineWetter reply :
Human = Predator
Bass = Prey
If you're worried about what a Bass feels, how can you be anything other than a vegetarian?
Fish are several levels below mammals on the taxonomic table so it's not worth worrying about.
Glaucus reply :
Quite honestly if you are feeling you're traumatizing them by catching them, you've moved into a different tier of human and probably shouldn't eat meat you find in stores.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I'm not sure of the exact science, but I don't believe that the effect of a bass being removed from the water is the exact same as us being submerged. I just try to go by the rule of only keeping them out of the water about as long as I can hold my breathe though to try and ensure a healthy release.
Bass don't possess the mental capacity to be "traumatized" however.
Catt reply :
And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
They are meant to be food ????
Oregon Native reply :
Read this....read this again...Oh my. Only thing that came to mind was I wish we all loved our neighbors this much!!!
They say even a tree can tell when it's getting cut down...sooooo....guess there's only one club you may want to belong too.
Best of luck.
Dirtyeggroll reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 7:04 PM, Oregon Native said:They say even a tree can tell when it's getting cut down...sooooo....guess there's only one club you may want to belong too.
Best of luck.
I don’t know, trees live a really long time...
Looks like a bass can stay out of water for about 10 minutes without any significant consequences.
Behavioral and physiological responses of the congeneric Largemouth bass and smallmouth bass to various exercise and air exposure durations.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165783607002056
My understanding is that the gills can still do gas exchange when the bass is no longer submerged if the gills are still wet.
BassWhole! reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 2:06 PM, JustALineWetter said:Human = Predator
Bass = Prey
Actually, both bass and humans are both predators AND prey. The Universe doesn't discriminate, It's the whole existential absurdity thing.
Mobasser reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 6:24 PM, Catt said:And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
They are meant to be food ????
Yep. Just like deer, quail, squirrels etc. If your not gonna eat em, put them back unharmed. Obey the rules and respect the laws, and all is good.
BassWhole! reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 7:28 PM, Dirtyeggroll said:Looks like a bass can stay out of water for about 10 minutes without any significant consequences.
Can't really make that determination based on the narrative of the experiment. There is a difference between it didn't die after 10 minutes, and it lived for nn hours (or days) after experiment. LMB are quite hardy and handle handling (ha) better than most fish. It doesn't surprise me that they are hardier than SMB, in fact fish that prefer warmer, murkier water usually do better when handled out of the water. Extremes in air temperature also has a significant effect on effects and survival.
Spankey reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 1:53 PM, localhost said:What do you figure is happening to the Bass while it's out of water, was curious if it will be suffocating or what the whole thing would be to them.
Back in the day I had no problem keeping fish but now ever since I started having a conscious I can't kill or watch a fish suffer.
Almost no fun now catching Bass only to traumatize them.
I've heard people say Bass are stupid but I have yet to find one that is.
I know where you are coming from but try not to over think it too much. Get a pic and get them back in the water as fast as possible. I treat them pretty well I try like heck not to touch their sides and mess around with the slime coat. I have a live well also I can treat it also but I can imagine a live well has a certain amount of an effect on them also. I think keeping the stress level down is the most important thing but try not to drive yourself crazy over what you are doing.
I caught this one river smallies back some years ago. Fishing like I normally would do. 4.5” drop/split shot type rig. Good hit, good hook set, great little fight for a short time. Hook set in the top of the jaw. When I boated the fish it seemed to be in trouble. Not sure why. Sort of felt bad because I put them all back. Did the live well thing but it didn’t make it. My buddy grilled him up. Did not go to waste. Did puzzle me some but you shake it off and move on. Was not my fault. And I’m not gonna stop fishing.
Dirtyeggroll reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 8:42 PM, reason said:Can't really make that determination based on the narrative of the experiment. There is a difference between it didn't die after 10 minutes, and it lived for nn hours (or days) after experiment. LMB are quite hardy and handle handling (ha) better than most fish. It doesn't surprise me that they are hardier than SMB, in fact fish that prefer warmer, murkier water usually do better when handled out of the water. Extremes in air temperature also has a significant effect on effects and survival.
Sorry, wasn’t referring to that experiment/manuscript about the physiology of gas exchange and gills being wet. Will update with source for that later.
the reel ess reply :
If they were bigger and/or we were small enough, we'd be on their menu. LOL
I have often thought about that and even when I get a picture, I limit the time they're out of water. I'll even hold them in the water if it's taking a while. I'm sure they feel some flight instinct and it must be unpleasant to not be able to get oxygen for a while, like having the breath knocked out of you. They also have no eyelids and they usually try to shield their eyes when there's total sun either with cover or depth. So I imagine that's unpleasant as well.
I don't think you can attribute human feelings to them though. Their brain is basically one tiny stem of nerve. They're running on pure instinct. They just act and they have no thoughts as to why they do what thy do. If I was that concerned about their feelings, I'd probably stop sticking hooks in their mouths for fun.
Steveo-1969 reply :
Sounds to me like the OP needs to sell his fishing equipment and buy some golf clubs. Y'all ain't gonna hurt that golf ball. WHACK AWAY!!!!!!!!
Koz reply :
I believe that the fish think they are having an alien abduction experience. NO! PLEASE! NOT THE ANAL PROBE!
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
@localhost I understand where your coming from, and it's really good that you realize you don't want to make the fish suffer only to please your narcissistic cause.
That's why if you enjoy fishing, enjoy it well. Do your part when you catch fish to admire, photograph, and quick release. If it was traumatizing to the fish you couldn't go back to the same pond year after year and catch the same fish?!
I like @Catt's response, they are food for us, like it or not though. That's something you must work out for yourself!
Krux5506 reply :
He's not really wrong. There's no good for a fish that comes out of being caught. It just comes down to how much thought/emotion we really put into it. I've often wondered why certain militant catch and release fly fishermen even bother to fish. Many of them now are scolded for even photographing a trout out of the water, hence the "keep em wet" slogan. I understand caring for our fisheries but it seems if you're on that level then catching a fish is hypocritical.
NYWayfarer reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 6:24 PM, Catt said:And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
I think about this every time I watch "When animals attack" 
To the OP, just release your catch as fast as you can. If you are having trouble getting the hook out or taking a pic make sure you dunk the fish to get it wet. Helps the slime coat and gills.
JustALineWetter reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 8:23 PM, reason said:Actually, both bass and humans are both predators AND prey. The Universe doesn't discriminate, It's the whole existential absurdity thing.
I was talking specifically about Bass fishing and the relationship between fisher and fish. In this instance, my point was exact...Bass don't prey upon Humans, we're above them in the food chain.
BassWhole! reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 2:06 PM, JustALineWetter said:Fish are several levels below mammals on the taxonomic table...
Can't we all chordata just get along? Let's go bully some jelly fish.... 
JustALineWetter reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 11:32 PM, reason said:Can't we all chordata just get along? Let's go bully some jelly fish....
Why limit it - All Hail Animalia, we will overcome Plantae
Big Rick reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 1:53 PM, localhost said:Back in the day I had no problem keeping fish but now ever since I started having a conscious I can't kill or watch a fish suffer.
Dude, you are on the wrong forum. The goal of this site is too better educate the fisherman on how to catch MORE fish!! And I, for one, am proud to be here and have learned much. If it's no fun then, by all means, put your equipment up for sale in the Flea Market and move on to some benign harmless hobby like golfing or even crochet. geez....
NYWayfarer reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 11:19 PM, JustALineWetter said:I was talking specifically about Bass fishing and the relationship between fisher and fish. In this instance, my point was exact...Bass don't prey upon Humans, we're above them in the food chain.
Now if Bass were the size of a cow, I would never go swimming in a lake again!
BassWhole! reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 11:51 PM, NYWayfarer said:Now if Bass were the size of a cow, I would never go swimming in a lake again!
I'm picturing a big A-rig with GI Joe's (and maybe a Steve Austin in the middle) instead of swimbaits...
Koz reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 1:53 PM, localhost said:Back in the day I had no problem keeping fish but now ever since I started having a conscious I can't kill or watch a fish suffer.
It's the circle of life. Last summer my son caught a bass and he had trouble getting the hook out. While he was working on it he took the time to drag the fish through the water to try and keep it alive. But when he tossed it back in the lagoon the fish went belly up.
Within a minute a turtle came along and dragged the fish into some cover for a meal. Sure, it's disappointing if you release a bass and it doesn't survive. But it's not like it goes to waste. Some turtle, bird, or alligator is going to make a meal out of it. That's how nature works.
On 12/5/2018 at 11:56 PM, reason said:I'm picturing a big A-rig with GI Joe's (and maybe a Steve Austin in the middle) instead of swimbaits...
South Carolina lagoon cows:
Fishingmickey reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 1:53 PM, localhost said:What do you figure is happening to the Bass while it's out of water, was curious if it will be suffocating or what the whole thing would be to them.
Back in the day I had no problem keeping fish but now ever since I started having a conscious I can't kill or watch a fish suffer.
Almost no fun now catching Bass only to traumatize them.
I've heard people say Bass are stupid but I have yet to find one that is.
The problem is your attributing human attributes to a fish that is not human.
Fishingmickey
Spankey reply :
I wish the OP would post his underlying issue. Something happened. Something went terribly wrong. Hey, **** happens. Don’t beat yourself up over anything. You will not burn in **** over it. Most times when things happen like that it resparks your fish handeling. I had a musky die on me once. I catch them on occasion smallie fishing. He was on light tackle, did not want to cut my crankbait loose, felt good about landing it. Was summer, water and air temps were up. I thought everything would have went ok. It didn’t. He was legal. Another fish that hit my buddies grill. I sort of felt bad for a little while. But got over it quickly. I hooked up two more that day. Everything went fine on them. Smaller musky 27-33” fish. Now on my boat after that incident I have a net with extra long handle and big wide net mouth. **** happens. Don’t quit over it.
Hyrule Bass reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 1:53 PM, localhost said:What do you figure is happening to the Bass while it's out of water, was curious if it will be suffocating or what the whole thing would be to them.
Back in the day I had no problem keeping fish but now ever since I started having a conscious I can't kill or watch a fish suffer.
Almost no fun now catching Bass only to traumatize them.
I've heard people say Bass are stupid but I have yet to find one that is.
most decent people dont intentionally want to harm a fish. but if youre going to be fishing then you got to toughen up mentally and get over this. everyone loses a fish at some point that they have caught. even if you dont realize it. fish could swim off fine and die a few minutes later due to your catching and handling it, and you would never even know it.
MIbassyaker reply :
If harming or killing fish bothers you, then just give something back: use the occasion as an excuse to make a small donation to the conservation effort of your choice.
BigAngus752 reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 11:32 PM, reason said:Can't we all chordata just get along? Let's go bully some jelly fish....
Whoa, slow down there. I've met quite a few spineless humans...
WRB reply :
Bass can't breath air they breath dissolved oxygen in the water, a bass out of water is similar to you breathing underwater.
All of Gods creatures have feelings and should be treated with respect, a good sportsmen kills quickly and humanly.
I look at bass as a renewable resource and harvest a few each year that are either mortally wounded or the right size for food.
Tom
BassWhole! reply :
On 12/6/2018 at 2:20 AM, MIbassyaker said:use the occasion as an excuse to make a small donation to the conservation effort of your choice.
High modulus carbon fiber credits, I like it..
Ratherbfishing reply :
I don't think it is FUN for them but fish don't have the mental capacity to be emotionally "traumatized." From my own observations (and I think research bears this out) it's more physiologically damaging for a fish (including bass) for their skin and/or scales (and slime) to dry up than any "breathing" issues. So, if you're concerned about how a bass responds to being caught, your first thought should be to keep it wet. The last fish I caught that seemed to have breathing issues was a bowfin I caught a couple years ago. After being released, it continuously breached the surface as though it were trying to gulp in MORE air than what the water could provide. But it wasn't a bass so...
Ninety-nine times out of a hundred (or probably more), when I place a bass back in the water, it simply swims away-perhaps wiser but no worse for the wear. I can't read its mind but, really, I don't think even IT can read its own mind. Now if such a time occurs when bass begin meeting with respiratory therapists or mental health counselors regarding PTSD, THEN I'll probably hang up my rod and reel.
Glaucus reply :
If a fish that I catch dies, I leave it out for the animals to eat. If one is struggling and keeps going belly up and is a for sure death waiting to happen, I put it out of its misery. I know my fisheries well. I know where to place fish for an animal to chow on. I go back the next day and it's gone. Circle of life. I don't eat fish and I don't take anything with me to keep a fish, so leaving it for animals is the best I can do. Don't get upset about it. Just move on.
OCdockskipper reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 10:44 PM, Krux5506 said:...There's no good for a fish that comes out of being caught...
I disagree. Every fish I catch gets a once over to see how healthy they are and if there is anything I can do to help them. If I find a small parasite inside their mouth, I remove it it. The same goes for any hooks or lures that the bass may be using as jewelry.
A couple of weeks ago, I noticed the tip of something sticking out of the gullet of a bass I caught. I pulled it slightly to see what it was, turned out to be a 6" Senko (not mine, i don't use that size). I removed it from his belly & released him. I guarantee that is one bass that is better off for being caught by me.
In regards to the trauma question, I believe a bass hooked in the mouth feels no pain, while a foul hooked fish may. I came to that conclusion based on their actions when hooked. A bass hooked in the mouth will pull the opposite direction, increasing pressure from the hook. It is logical to surmise that any creature who feels pain while pulling against a hook will stop doing that and go in the direction of the pressure in order to relieve it. That happens to be the exact action you see with some foul hooked fish, they swim towards you instead of fighting, as if they are doing whatever they can to alleviate the pain that is being applied to them.
TnRiver46 reply :
Deep fried fish and an ice cold bottle of suds can really change a man
Glaucus reply :
On 12/6/2018 at 7:54 AM, TnRiver46 said:Deep fried fish and an ice cold bottle of suds can really change a man
Replace fish with a beef steak. Gimmie a nice IPA to go with it, some taters, I'm in heaven.
JustALineWetter reply :
Broiled fish and a good Irish Stout.
slonezp reply :
On 12/6/2018 at 7:54 AM, TnRiver46 said:Deep fried fish and an ice cold bottle of suds can really change a man
I don't know about changing a man but it will certainly satisfy his appetite.
OP, Take up golf
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 12/5/2018 at 9:29 PM, Steveo-1969 said:Sounds to me like the OP needs to sell his fishing equipment and buy some golf clubs. Y'all ain't gonna hurt that golf ball. WHACK AWAY!!!!!!!!
I don't know, as bad as I am at golf, those fish in the water hazards would probably be safer if I was catching them and tossing them back then they are if I was plunking them in the head with my errant golf balls.
LionHeart reply :
Local,
Good on you for your concern about the way you handle the fish you catch. Obviously the ethical and sporting way to treat your catch has been covered many times.
How does a fish feel about suffocating while you take a selfie? I have no idea but I wouldn't imagine they like it too much. Do it quickly and get them back in the water.
If the concern of traumatizing your prey is enough to keep you from enjoying the sport, you and I would make great fishing partners. I'd get skunked every other trip and you be excited about it. Give me a ring if you ever come to northern Texas
localhost reply :
Last couple of years I've been getting really soft when it comes to hurting animals, and trust me I have no problem taking the life of some thing that is threatening my life. But a fish that's not the case I do enjoy fishing but having a conscious has started to ruin me.
When I was around 15ish I think I had no problem killing fish, but now day's don't wanna hurt anything or watch anything get hurt or killed, I am the same way with plants as well.
I can't even cut down a plant or tree without it effecting me.
Today I did catch a large mouth Bass that I ended up hooking inside where the gill is fish was blooding pretty bad, I did toss it back I was waiting to see if it was gonna come back up never did.
I don't wanna keep them but have been really curious to try Bass to see what it tastes like, problem is this Lake is used for run off water is dirty and the canal that runs to the lake has been found to have Feces and Bactria in the water so honestly I'm a bit worried about eating a fish from that lake.
Fish having some kinda worm that you don't see and then end up getting really bad sick months or years down the road never think about it having to do with the fish.
scaleface reply :
Sounds like you need to find a different hobby if it bothers you that much . Metal detecting might be fun for you . Some call it dirt fishing ..I get as much a thrill of finding an old silver coin or gold ring than I do catching a big bass .
localhost reply :
@scaleface I was getting into that kinda thing took the metal detector out to the lake but was finding nothing but pieces of beer cans that were shredded by the mower they use out there Was finding a bunch of useless stuff haven't really figured out how to use the bounty hunter 4 tracker detector correctly yet.
It's basically the same when it comes to using a bait caster gotta find that sweet spot...
I think I might just go back to metal detecting now for this time of year we get no snow but the weather will be a lot nicer to be out in to do some thing like that, I don't think fishing is gonna be any good now till after spawn.
I personally don't want to take advantage of Bass that are spawning after seeing how a Bass will likely not come back to the spawn bed ruining the future of more Bass just isn't some thing I wanna do.
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
You dangled the bait and I had to bite this one. Because anglers fish for spawing bass, and the bass may not return, in no way hinders the future of more Bass.
If that was the case, Fla alone would be extinct of bass because of that. But on the contrary, fla in my humble opinion, is still King of Bass fishing (sorry Texas and Cali). So please don't let that wrong thinking, stop you from enjoying time on the water.
Until then, Good metal detecting Sherlock
KDW96 reply :
I fish and i deer hunt.(bownunt & gun ). I fish ALOT of large an small ponds. Some of them are over populated with bass an crappie. The owners have asked that i keep a bunch when im there. I do so, and most of what i take,i clean and give to those in need and family. I caught a 5lb7oz. that i new was not gonna make it. I didnt mean for it to turn out like that. But that fish and others,provided a nice christmas dinner along with the deer meat i give a elderly man an woman every year.
I take 2 deer a year. 1 for me,and 1 for family and the 2 elderly. They are all very appreciative. There is nothing wasted, dear carcass feeds other wildlife, as do fish remains.
My point is, things will happen in life. Enjoy what nature provides you with, while you are on the earth.
FishinDinks reply :
On 12/11/2018 at 10:41 AM, localhost said:Last couple of years I've been getting really soft when it comes to hurting animals, and trust me I have no problem taking the life of some thing that is threatening my life. But a fish that's not the case I do enjoy fishing but having a conscious has started to ruin me.
When I was around 15ish I think I had no problem killing fish, but now day's don't wanna hurt anything or watch anything get hurt or killed, I am the same way with plants as well.
I can't even cut down a plant or tree without it effecting me.
Today I did catch a large mouth Bass that I ended up hooking inside where the gill is fish was blooding pretty bad, I did toss it back I was waiting to see if it was gonna come back up never did.
If this post is for real then its simple don't fish. Also don't mow your lawn or eat anything.
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