How Many Pitches/flips Do You Do In An Hour 2024
68camaro reply :
I spent some time pitching a verticle jig just off shore today into pads in local pond. It seems a technique based alot on luck, either you pitch on or by fish or not.
If this is true, to increase your odds you need to maximize number of pitches. If so, how many pitches and/or flips do you do in an hour? Do you pitch taking your time or kinda rush in increase number of pitches.
If I am all wrong in my original premise, let me know.
bassinhole reply :
You're dead on. It is a numbers game. If you don't get a hit on the fall, yo yo your bait a few times, maybe play with it at the weed surface. Then pitch to a new spot. The more presentations you make the better. That is one very good use of super high speed reels 8:1 or higher. They allow for more rapid pitching/flipping thereby gaining an angler a few extra presentations a day. They also help to sled fish across the top of the water when pulling them out of the thick stuff.
Flipping/pitching is not a beginner level skill. It takes a great deal of confidence in the bait you are using and patience. You can expect to get very few bites in a day, but the ones you do get should be on average larger than you will see with other presentations.
MidwestF1sh reply :
You're right on! Like stated above, I pitch it and let it fall till the bottom. Yo yo it quick twice then burn it back and pitch a little bit over and repeat.
K_Mac reply :
Catching fish consistantly pitching is a skill that has little to do with luck. I agree it is a numbers game in the sense that keeping your bait in the stike zone is important, but that may or may not be a function of the number of pitches. Location is job one. Once you know where they are, bait selection and placement come into play. Having done that properly, if they are taking it on the initial drop, you are good to go. Maybe they want it on the second or third movement or drop though. Now speed and cadence are key. My point is, 10 pitches done well will catch more bass than many times that number done incorrectly. As bassinhole said, it is not a beginners technique. When it's right though, it is as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. A big fish on a short line will test your equipment, skills and temperament. Good luck!
68camaro reply :
Thanks all. I am beginner for sure, there are nice sized bass under pads along shore of my ponds, but finding them is tough. It sounds Like I just need to be more patient and stick with technique with reward of bigger, but fewer fish.
68camaro reply :
Also, I pitch out about 3 - 7 feet from shore, which is end of pad edge. Sometimes I pitch past pad edge and let jig naturally swim back under rod.
This sound correct.
Catt reply :
Quit fishing the vegetation & strat fishing the structure under it!
Then you'll have put the odds in your favor 
68camaro reply :
On 10/19/2015 at 11:54 AM, Catt said:Quit fishing the vegetation & strat fishing the structure under it!
Then you'll have put the odds in your favor
These are small local ponds and there are not structures I can find. Its pretty shallow for several feet out, but there are no docs or trees in water. There are bushes overhanging in areas but I cannot get to these areas. I have caught nice bass with frogs and swimming jigs in the shoreline pads.
HoosierHawgs reply :
That's cover, as are the pads. What he is referring to as "structure" is things like shoreline and bottom contours, creek channels, bends, ect.On 10/19/2015 at 12:02 PM, 68camaro said:These are small local ponds and there are not structures I can find. Its pretty shallow for several feet out, but there are no docs or trees in water. There are bushes overhanging in areas but I cannot get to these areas. I have caught nice bass with frogs and swimming jigs in the shoreline pads.
WIGuide reply :
Although I'm sure you can catch fish pitchin/flippin from the bank I really think it's a technique more suited for fishing from a boat. Catt's advice is some you should listen to. You're getting cover confused with structure. Cover is something that will hold a fish such as vegetation, a dock, a stump a log. Structure is the makeup of the lake bottom and it generally comprised of drop offs ditches humps as well as bottom composition. What catt was referring to, is structure under the pads. See if you can find a spot that has a little ditch running through it, or find a hard spot somewhere in there. Any little irregularity has a much better chance of holding fish than just a straight flat bottom with pads
Catt reply :
There is always "structure" you just don't know how to identify it!
Any slight change in bottom depth, bottom composition, changes in types of vegetation are just a few things to look for.
Do a google search for structure bassresource
gulfcaptain reply :
I agree with Catt, just pitching to endless areas of vegetation you will catch a few. Look for something that stands out. Something different then the rest. Edges of two different types of vegetation come together. A spot where the pads don't go out as far, a point, shade line, wood and pads. I do a lot of pitching into ponds filled with grass, but I target the areas that I feel hold the best chance of connecting. And I do a lot of pitching, a couple hops of the bait and then may drop it 2ft into the next spot. There is always some kind of structure and if you can find the stucture and cover together those are going to be your high productive areas. Also if it's clear enough, look at what is around where the pads grow after they die off. See if you can see anything under the water which you can take a mental note of and target that area when they grow the next year.
Catch and Grease reply :
Alot.
But you do still need to aim, anglers that are good at flipping and pitching know which little nooks and crannys are more likely to hold a bass, they might stop and pick one spot apart but the next spot only make one pitch/flip then hit a different spot
Catt reply :
Another mistake I see my students make is when they catch one they never make follow up cast to the exact same spot!
Two weeks ago I caught 11 in a row casting to an area about 12' in diameter.
J Francho reply :
Whether you pitch, flip, roll cast, side arm, chuck and duck, or whatever cast you use… it matters little unless your bait is in the strike zone of a biting fish. What Catt and others are saying is "learn to read the water." There's always structure- it's the bottom of the lake. There's always bottom composition. Sometimes there's cover. Shoreline vegetation can give you clues to structure and composition. So can the "edges" of submersed vegetation. Pads like soft bottom. When they stop, figure out why. Too deep? Well, that's a drop off, or structure. Or, is the bottom hard? That's a change in bottom composition. Look for smaller structural features. Shoreline had a stand of trees, then dips a bit and has mucky shrubs? I'll bet there's a small channel under the water there, formed when rain water flows in. Think of it in this frame of mind, and you'll be better at finding bass.
stkbassn reply :
If this pond isn't filled with super tight-lipped fish then why bother with all of that mess? Why not chuck a spinnerbait, topwater, wakebait, and have fun?
Alonerankin2 reply :
bassinhole said: You can expect to get very few bites in a day, but the ones you do get should be on average larger than you will see with other presentations.
I would disagree with this, fish of all types & sizes bury up in hydrilla. I've also had 40 fish day in central Florida flipping.. Hydrilla also opens up a good deal, gotta get thru it though. July in Florida it's plenty thick on top but still opens up underneath.. 85% of my strikes occurred on the initial drop or splashdown. In a boat, I'd say average can be 3 to 4 flips per minute.. With pitching, maybe 1 to 2 per minute, there are many types of cover where what I just said is null & void. Example: recently flooded bushes on the lake or picnic tables at the beach area.. Lotsa variables on how many flips or pitches per minute/ per hour. Flipping & pitching is really a casting technique, when you use these methods & how finely honed your fish locating methods are will better determine your end results. ( not necessarily how many flips )
Best of skill..( not luck )
Fishes in trees reply :
IMO - measuring casts per hour is a meaningless statistic Too many variables to make it meaningful, without a lot more information. Focus your attention on evaluating the current situation, what ever that might be and trying to make the best cast possible in that instant. Fish it until you're done. Then do it again. Fish the moment, not the memory. You can evaluate what the fish are doing, but you can't "dictate". . . . . . Sorry, went zen for a moment . . . .
When I'm out fishing, I only get to go once a week, sometimes I find myself thinking too much . . . That is a perfect moment to pause and pop a top. Current favorite is Founders All Day IPA.
Catch and Grease reply :
On 10/20/2015 at 1:12 AM, stkbassn said:If this pond isn't filled with super tight-lipped fish then why bother with all of that mess? Why not chuck a spinnerbait, topwater, wakebait, and have fun?
Flipping and pithing is one of the most fun ways to catch largemouth IMO ...
stkbassn reply :
On 10/20/2015 at 4:35 AM, Catch and Grease said:Flipping and pithing is one of the most fun ways to catch largemouth IMO ...[/quoteTo each his own, nothing wrong with it.
Glenn reply :
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
scaleface reply :
When I'm pitching I generally work the worm / jig way past the visible cover . I'll often hop it all the way back in .
68camaro reply :
Wow, thanks all for the great info on differences between "structure" and "cover", I had no idea, plus the hints to flippin/pitchiin. Drinks are on me at my house
Catt reply :
Instead of looking at a body of water from the surface down angler who consistently catch look at it from the bottom up!
Bankbeater reply :
I don't have a clue how many pitches or flips I make in an hour. I worry more about where I should pitch and flip.
everythingthatswims reply :
On 10/19/2015 at 11:20 PM, Catt said:Another mistake I see my students make is when they catch one they never make follow up cast to the exact same spot!
Two weeks ago I caught 11 in a row casting to an area about 12' in diameter.
Sunday I caught 9 in less than 5 minutes on one bush in 3FOW. That doesn't count the fish that swiped/boiled on the bait or spit the hook.
gulfcaptain reply :
On 10/20/2015 at 8:53 AM, 68camaro said:Wow, thanks all for the great info on differences between "structure" and "cover", I had no idea, plus the hints to flippin/pitchiin. Drinks are on me at my house It all makes sense and I can't wait to put it to work. I'll take some time to walk the banks and really try to find the structure you all talk about before getting out fishing.
To stkbassn: I do have good luck with spinners, crank, jerks etc. I want to learn new techniques and try different things. My rule is once I catch 3 fish on specific lure I change and try something else. This helps me learn if catches are because of specific bait, location, etc.
It's always good to learn new presentations. With certain bait presetations in a pond you can burn through those fish quickly. I've had 2-3 days of good flipping/punching in certain ponds I fish where they bit great, then go the next time....Zero!!! Conditions didn't change, but ran out of fish in those areas. Time to grab another rod and another presentation. Knowing mulitple techniques will only make you a better more consistant fisherman. Many get hung up on a certain way of fishing and end up being lost when it doesn't work since they have become one dimensional.
Mike L reply :
I start as far back on the matt as I can and work my way out trying to make each pitch about 3 ft apart all the way out. Then make 2 or 3 on the outside edge. Then move 4-5ft over and repeat until the entire matt is covered.
How many that is, is what it is.
I'm answering this way because the pitch count don't mean a thing, it's covering the whole matt.
Mike
JDH85 reply :
On 10/20/2015 at 11:26 AM, Catt said:Instead of looking at a body of water from the surface down angler who consistently catch look at it from the bottom up!
I think Denny Brauer, Shaw Grigsby, Greg Hackney and countless other pros would disagree with you there. Fish the conditions, right? I understand that you are much more likely to get a limit out near the channel, but sometimes the big girls go up to hide in the thick junk in 8 inches of water. So, being proficient in both is the better option - no?
Catt reply :
On 10/22/2015 at 5:34 AM, JDH85 said:I think Denny Brauer, Shaw Grigsby, Greg Hackney and countless other pros would disagree with you there. Fish the conditions, right? I understand that you are much more likely to get a limit out near the channel, but sometimes the big girls go up to hide in the thick junk in 8 inches of water. So, being proficient in both is the better option - no?
Have you ever listened to Denny, Shaw, or any other Pro?
I promise you they will all tell you depth of water has nothing to do with structure!
K_Mac reply :
JDH85 I have caught very nice fish in 8" of water in heavy cover in the dead of summer in a spot where the nearest "channel" was only a couple of feet deeper. Without that path up into the heavy, shallow stuff I doubt they would have been there. I still have trouble understanding why they were there in water warm to the touch. There is much I don't understand about shallow dwelling bass...
JDH85 reply :
On 10/22/2015 at 5:41 AM, Catt said:Have you ever listened to Denny, Shaw, or any other Pro?
I promise you they will all tell you depth of water has nothing to do with structure!
Well, maybe I am misunderstanding what you're trying to get across. Earlier you said "quit fishing the vegetation and fish what's under it". I interpreted that as you saying don't fish shallow fish deep -- but what you're saying is the vegetation continues under the water (and might also be where most of it is) and it's more oxygenated so most of the fish are there as opposed to shallow? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
JDH85 reply :
On 10/22/2015 at 5:54 AM, K_Mac said:JDH85 I have caught very nice fish in 8" of water in heavy cover in the dead of summer in a spot where the nearest "channel" was only a couple of feet deeper. Without that path up into the heavy, shallow stuff I doubt they would have been there. I still have trouble understanding why they were there in water warm to the touch. There is much I don't understand about shallow dwelling bass...
All of my best fish have come from 6' of water or less. But I grew up fishing that way -- getting my lure into the tightest spots in the cover as I possibly could and wiggle the lure in and through the cover. Swimming a spinnerbait over a branch in 10" of water and watching a 5 lber come seemingly out of nowhere to smash it in a flash.
I'm making an effort to be a better structure fisherman. It must be nice to go out and whack 80 fish in one spot. But the bank will never lose its allure to me. Something about horsing an angry bucketmouth out of the junk seems just right to me.
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 10/22/2015 at 7:13 AM, JDH85 said:All of my best fish have come from 6' of water or less. But I grew up fishing that way -- getting my lure into the tightest spots in the cover as I possibly could and wiggle the lure in and through the cover. Swimming a spinnerbait over a branch in 10" of water and watching a 5 lber come seemingly out of nowhere to smash it in a flash.
I'm making an effort to be a better structure fisherman. It must be nice to go out and whack 80 fish in one spot. But the bank will never lose its allure to me. Something about horsing an angry bucketmouth out of the junk seems just right to me.
Fish even against the bank will relate to some sort of structure. That's how you get high percentage areas and "spot on the spot" situations. They're is deeper water nearby, and a pathway to that deeper water in the form of a ditch, a channel, or all sorts of other contours.
Leonidas reply :
On 10/19/2015 at 11:20 PM, Catt said:Another mistake I see my students make is when they catch one they never make follow up cast to the exact same spot!
Two weeks ago I caught 11 in a row casting to an area about 12' in diameter.
Good advice all around. Catt also nailed something spot on. There are often multiple bass in an attractive location.
Silas reply :
On 10/19/2015 at 9:34 AM, MidwestF1sh said:You're right on! Like stated above, I pitch it and let it fall till the bottom. Yo yo it quick twice then burn it back and pitch a little bit over and repeat.
As I'm beginning to understand that this is more boring and more "work" than fun, I'm not really interested in a one bite one big fish day. The technique sacrifices much of the pleasure I get from fishing. So I won't be pitching or flipping. A flick of the wrist and a precise "roll cast" will suffice for me, thank you.
I'll be content to cast away at a leisurely relaxing pace and let you fellas catch all those big ones! LOL!
K_Mac reply :
On 10/22/2015 at 7:13 AM, JDH85 said:All of my best fish have come from 6' of water or less. But I grew up fishing that way -- getting my lure into the tightest spots in the cover as I possibly could and wiggle the lure in and through the cover. Swimming a spinnerbait over a branch in 10" of water and watching a 5 lber come seemingly out of nowhere to smash it in a flash.
I'm making an effort to be a better structure fisherman. It must be nice to go out and whack 80 fish in one spot. But the bank will never lose its allure to me. Something about horsing an angry bucketmouth out of the junk seems just right to me.
My experience is just the opposite of yours. I really learned bass fishing in deeper, clear water lakes. Fishing long points, bluffs, and old river channels was where I learned that there was more to catching bass than beating the bank. A few years ago I started fishing with a guy who isn't happy if he isn't stirring mud or banging something with his trolling motor. He grew up fishing a river system, and is a true master pitching into spots that most of us can't hit, and finding shallow bass when I can't find the deeper ones. We make a good team most of the time. Of course there are days when the fish win. That is what keeps things interesting!
MidwestF1sh reply :
On 10/22/2015 at 9:31 AM, Silas said:As I'm beginning to understand that this is more boring and more "work" than fun, I'm not really interested in a one bite one big fish day. The technique sacrifices much of the pleasure I get from fishing. So I won't be pitching or flipping. A flick of the wrist and a precise "roll cast" will suffice for me, thank you.
I'll be content to cast away at a leisurely relaxing pace and let you fellas catch all those big ones! LOL!
One bite one big fish day?? Oh nooo you can catch tons of fish this way. Like others said pitch to high percentage spots. I've pulled up and pitched one dock/boat lift and pulled 5 fish out of it during a tournament. One of the fish even won me big fish for the day. You can go along a stretch and really light em up and once you get the pitch down and how to do it accuratly and quick it can be a very fun and relaxing method. Before you got good at a roll cast I'm sure it seemed like work!
Glenn reply :
Umm...that was sarcasm there MidwestF1sh. 
Catt reply :
Here is a perfect illustration of "Quit fishing the vegetation & fish what's under it"
2011 Bassmaster Classic
5 of the Super Six anglers were fishing the same area on Lake Cataouatche; according to Derek Remity, "We all knew we were in the right area, it was a small slallow grassy area but it was big enough for 3 or 4 of us. We just kept meanding through it."
One of the anglers was Kevin VanDam; "I found one spot were there was thick vegetation around a barrier, I made a loop ariund the barrier & found a spot with a hard bottom (structure)."
While the other anglers "kept meanding through it", VanDam sat on the spot winning his fourth Classic by 10 lbs 11 ozs over second place!
Silas reply :
Good catch Glenn! LOL!!
MidwestF1sh reply :
.... Wow normally I'm on top of that stuff
WPCfishing reply :
I never kept count but I can tell you it's a lot... I'm in the junk all the time. I've become more of a trophy hunter.
A three pounder is of no interest to me...
Kevinator1 reply :
A lot......I love pitching...I pitch to cover or structure, hop it a couple of times and reel back in quickly and pitch again.....I use a high speed Lew's 8.3:1 Tournament Pro so i don't waste time bringing my lure back. My tournament partner can't believe how many pitches i can get in a day. Also its good to learn to pitch right and left handed. During tournaments it helps relieve the pressure on your wrists, shoulders and elbows. If you get a chance to watch Tommy Biffle pitch a lure, you will see how easy it can be done without much effort.
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