One thing about living in the Northeast during winter is that you have way too much time to think about things. For instance, we use things like a brush hog or a Berkley Beast, which "represent" something, but really doesn't look like anything. These lures are fished SLOW, which gives the bass a lot of time to inspect our lures and decide if they want it or not--and they usually NAIL it!!!
Now, we are paying $25 for a crankbait with a perfect finish. These lures are burned by the fish and they strike it out of reaction.
I think we're being duped!! Does the fish really see the details that we pay LuckyCraft or Jackal so dearly to put on their baits? I do have a few of the Japanese creations, but I have caught a lot more fish on Bandits and Bombers than those.
i think the difference comes when you fish 7 days a week and do this to pay your bills. i like LC baits even though i only have a few.
the one good thing about bandits and bombers is you can modify the baits to no end and if you ruin the bait youve only lost a few dollars.
Well, a lot of guys are "collectors". For example, I have a fairly
extensive collection of jerkbaits. Most have never been fished. I
don't think beautiful lures are just for catching bass. I suspect that
most of the guys here that don't need a thing for the rest of their
lives will spend more money on tackle this year than those that
are still building their stash. It's the nature of the beast.
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I have several that have paid $20-$25 for. A couple, that were custom made, were well worth the extra $$. They cast farther and have better action.
However, I only buy these lures for top-water and shallow to mid depth and only throw them where I am fairly confident they won't get snagged. For that reason, I often catch a lot more fish on cheaper, throw away cranks that I toss into an area before brining out the "pretty ones". :-[
QuoteI only buy these lures for top-water and shallow to mid depth and only throw them where I am fairly confident they won't get snagged. For that reason, I often catch a lot more fish on cheaper, throw away cranks that I toss into an area before brining out the "pretty ones". :-[
Same here. Sammy is the only expensive lure I have in my tackle not to get snagged. Anything else that dives I buy them cheaper.
QuoteWell, a lot of guys are "collectors". For example, I have a fairlyextensive collection of jerkbaits. Most have never been fished. I
don't think beautiful lures are just for catching bass. I suspect that
most of the guys here that don't need a thing for the rest of their
lives will spend more money on tackle this year than those that
are still building their stash. It's the nature of the beast.
So you're saying the Bait Monkey makes us do it!!!
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^Exactly^ Thus the monkey is born.We have to blame it on someone or somebody.
There is more than a bit of machismo attached to high end tackle, as if the better the stuff you use, the better a fisherman you are.
High end tackle is pretty, that's all (and I love it)!
I have not gone crazy but I do have a few expensive lures.
I bought a Jackall Giron because it looks cool and to use during prespawn. I bought some sammies because they are more subtle than a spook and because I like the colors better. Also, I bought a few LC cranks because I really like the American shad design, which I have not found offered by less expensive manufacturers.
I am so cautious about using the giron I think I am going to make it into a keychain ;D
QuoteWell, a lot of guys are "collectors". For example, I have a fairlyextensive collection of jerkbaits. Most have never been fished. I
don't think beautiful lures are just for catching bass. I suspect that
most of the guys here that don't need a thing for the rest of their
lives will spend more money on tackle this year than those that
are still building their stash. It's the nature of the beast.
8-)
True
QuoteThere is more than a bit of machismo attached to high end tackle, as if the better the stuff you use, the better a fisherman you are.
Machismo is also true
But there 's something else, I 'm a crankbait fisherman, I like fishing with cranks, cranks are my primary tool for catching fish, I don 't mind paying 25 bones for a crank, not because it 's beautifully painted, I pay 25 bones for the action of the bait.
I speak only for myself but if I'm going to fish a lure, I have to be willing to lose it. And I'm simply not willing to lose a $25.00 lure. As a fisherman who actually prefers to catch fish, I appreciate the fact that most of the better fish will be in the most treacherous locations. I'd rather toss a $1.50 spinnerbait into the thick stuff than work only the outside edges of a spot because the lure costs 3 times as much and I'm not as willing to lose it.
Collecting is another matter altogether. I personally don't collect but I can see why someone might choose to collect pretty or antique baits.
I bough a SPRO BBZ-1 Shad for 25 Bucks and lost it on the first cast (read Wiley 1-12-09) It sucked but its somthing you deal with
My old fishin buddy said if your not loosing lures your not gaining fish
Which doesnt make sence to me but in the long run YOU WILL LOOSE stuff.
I just restock - it gives me an excuse to go to BPS.
The more money you got and willing to spend the harder that little money kicks.
QuoteI have several that have paid $20-$25 for. A couple, that were custom made, were well worth the extra $$. They cast farther and have better action.However, I only buy these lures for top-water and shallow to mid depth and only throw them where I am fairly confident they won't get snagged. For that reason, I often catch a lot more fish on cheaper, throw away cranks that I toss into an area before brining out the "pretty ones". :-[
I don't have any $25 lures in my box but I do have a couple of LC that I was scared to lose initially cause of the cost . Fishing from the shore there is always a chance of getting snagged and i use to fear losing a more expensive lure but if it has a better action and better chance of me putting a bigger fish on the line then I'm using it. Most of the lures I use are Custom Painted and the most expensive being a Strike King Custom Painted King Shad in Bluegill off ebay for $24. It's been tossed but don't worry bout losing it.
One time a buddy of mine and I were fishing a spot that he had caught a lot of fish in hte day prior. He had told me if I wanted to catch any fish, I had to go buy a LC Live Pointer. I intended on doing so, but it slipped my mind that day. The next day, I threw a Zoom Fluke and actually caught more on it than he did on his $20 bait. he was angry at me for a while, but in hte end, he ended the day with a nice 9.4lber. But if I had to do it all over again, I would throw a Zoom Fluke!!!
By the way, I have NO baits over $10! But I also have NO money!! I just got married last week!! haha
I never pay retail and get most of Lucky crafts off Ebay for around $10 a piece. I'm willing to pay for Lucky Crafts b/c every other Strike King I buy never runs true after excessive tuning and the hooks are complete crap. That is a waste of $5 right there.
I don't mind losing a few lucky craft now and then. Now some of my high end swimbaits.................. >
I get really tired of people that concern themselves with how others spend their money.
QuoteI never pay retail and get most of Lucky crafts off Ebay for around $10 a piece. I'm willing to pay for Lucky Crafts b/c every other Strike King I buy never runs true after excessive tuning and the hooks are complete crap. That is a waste of $5 right there.I don't mind losing a few lucky craft now and then. Now some of my high end swimbaits.................. >
ive been known to get wet over a LC bait.
I willl spend the extra money on custom cranks because I believe they will help me catch more fish. Lots of them have unique actions that bass don't see very often. It's all about what you have confidence in.
QuoteI get really tired of people that concern themselves with how others spend their money.
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I think makin money dont mean buy LC or w-e. The pros make plenty of money using bandits,strikeking, etc etcQuotei think the difference comes when you fish 7 days a week and do this to pay your bills. i like LC baits even though i only have a few.the one good thing about bandits and bombers is you can modify the baits to no end and if you ruin the bait youve only lost a few dollars.
Kevin Vandam has won over $3million fishing with $4-$5 strike King cranks. The most expensive crank I have are a few Rapala DT's that are $6-$8. Swimbaits on the other hand are the exception. You really do get what you pay for when you buy a swimbait. However, cheap cranks $3-$8 have won more money and caught more fish than $14-$25 cranks. I think the only way I could justify buying a LC would be if I fished ultra clear water like the guyz out west and in Japan do, there I see the finish helping. However, I'd say the majority of the lakes, rivers, and resevoirs in the U.S.A. are clear with a slight stain to muddy.
If you want and can spend that kind of money, knock yourself out.
There is only 1 reason I don't do it. I know I'm going to loose at least 1 crankbait every time I go fishing. If I don't loose them in the brushpiles then I break them in half bouncing them off the bridge pilings or docks. Knowing that I only paid a few bucks for them lets me throw them right into the middle of the heavy crap.
QuoteKevin Vandam has won over $3million fishing with $4-$5 strike King cranks.
You would be surprised at how many pros have certain crankbaits that they use when money is on the line that they keep a secret for the most part, including KVD.
That being said, I'd bet Rick Clunn or David Fritts could beat me or probably any of us with a $0.99 Wal-Mart crank.
just buy H20 lures and you wont have that problem!
QuoteKevin Vandam has won over $3million fishing with $4-$5 strike King cranks.
He also changes out the hooks to shorter shank and I he had a few custom Blue Back Herring paint jobs for one of the tournys last year. You might at buy a Sk for $4-5, but you will spend a couple more bucks putting quality hooks on them.
QuoteI get really tired of people that concern themselves with how others spend their money.
I wasn't concerning myself with you all were spending your money. I was wondering why I do, and was looking for answers!! ;D
It's just nice to own nice stuff when you can afford it.
I'm fortunate enough to already own more tackle than I can could ever use in a lifetime. I would reccomend to anyone that's new to the sport or has limited funds to spend on fishing to stock up on Rapala'a, Bombers, Strike King etc. all these companies offer nice selections and they will catch a lot of fish. That said there are times when 15$ premium cranks will give you an edge in certain situations, it's just another tool in the box. Though there are exceptions most of these baits come with premium hooks, weight transfer systems for longer cast and more realistic finishes. Sometimes it makes a diffrence, sometimes it don't. I rely on a lot of crankbaits and topwaters through the season. Some of my best baits are Rapala DT series, Shad Raps, Wiggle Warts etc. standard 5$-8$ baits. However there are times when my best bait on a given day will be the Lucky Craft RC series, Pointers etc. and other premium $ 15 baits and on those days I'm sure glad they are in the box. One bait that I'm very high on is the Sebile Flatt shad a very unique lipless bait and I've smoked a few of my buddies (some very competent tournament fisherman) when they were throwing regular trap baits. I'm convinced on those occasions the fish were turned off by the rattles. That doesn't mean that the Flatt Shad is always the best selection but it was on those days, another time it might be a $6 Strike King Red Eye Shad. Are the premium baits worth it? I wouldn't say they are essential but there are times it will give you an edge. The great thing about this board is if your considering an unfamilar bait it is likely a few of our posters have already tried it and you can consider there input before you buy.
QuoteQuoteKevin Vandam has won over $3million fishing with $4-$5 strike King cranks.He also changes out the hooks to shorter shank and I he had a few custom Blue Back Herring paint jobs for one of the tournys last year. You might at buy a Sk for $4-5, but you will spend a couple more bucks putting quality hooks on them.
That "custom" blue back herring paint job was a aurora black lucky craft crank, when the camera view went to his rod deck for a split second i saw it rigged on his crankbait rod.
When I was a bank fisherman I lost so many crank baits I only bought cheap ones.After I got a boat and a lure retriever, I rarely lose lures.As for your original question, I dont always burn my crankbaits. I f the water temp is cooler, I crank,pause,crank,pause. The fish do get to see the fancy paint on my crankbaits sometimes.
Since I fish from the bank, I typically lose two to three baits every time out (often due to operator error )
The thought of losing a bait is not the only consideration for me. Restocking my tackle is another consideration. I may not have the disposable cash or immediate access to premium baits to replace lost baits before my next outing. i.e. I can usually find my Rapala or Strike King locally.
i don't put things in categories such as expensive/inexpensive...i put things in categories such as what works/what don't.
if it works, it's worth it.
if it don't, it ain't.
I for one have a fair share of megabass griffons now,most being bought overseas and also a bit of money on older bagleys and rebels that are no longer made or made the way the use to be and run.One thing most don't think about even with the upwards amount on lures fish do get "use"to seeing certain baits and something different may make a difference in your catch rate,bass can be as picky as a mountain trout in inches of water at times,also agree with Raul some of these baits just have a different action than others and i have to agree the finishes on say megabass might not be seen as much by the bass but if i have more confidence in the looks and actions of the bait i might just fish it longer than changing out every 30 minutes to a hour if i have no bites.
Very interesting subject. I too have a soft spot for cranks and the highest price to date for me are a couple of lucky crafts.
However, hold on to your wallets folks. Just when you and I thought $25 was steep for crank, the gate is wide open:
http://www.tackletour.com/reviewise2009.html
Feast and drool, or feast and weep. ;D
I want a hoochimama ;D
Those things look sweet!!
The bait Monkey has bit hard with LC baits also but I began to wonder???
Is it the clubs that make Tiger Woods such a great golfer or is it skill?
It seems to me that skill includes knowledge of the lake, weather conditions, fishing patterns in use, physical fishing skill, and of course lure selection but lure selection is only one link in the chain.
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QuoteThe bait Monkey has bit hard with LC baits also but I began to wonder???Is it the clubs that make Tiger Woods such a great golfer or is it skill?
It seems to me that skill includes knowledge of the lake, weather conditions, fishing patterns in use, physical fishing skill, and of course lure selection but lure selection is only one link in the chain.
8-)
Top of the line equipment will not make a poor fisherman good,
but it will make a good fisherman better.
Except for other pros on tour, Tiger Woods could probably beat any
other golfer with nothing more than a 7 iron or a putter. That
doesn't make either of those clubs the best choice for others golfers.
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