Owner St36 Or St41 2024
Siebert Outdoors reply :
If you were buying or changing the hooks on your crankbait or jerkbait which of these two hooks would you prefer and why?
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
ST 36.
Straight points, plenty strong enough even in the smaller sizes.
MarkH024 reply :
I think you'll be fine with the 36 on regular cranks/jerks. I've upgraded some of my larger swimbaits to the St-56. Never used the 41's though. I actually just ordered a lot of trebles for my cranks and jerks but decided to go with Mustad KVD's instead. Purely off price point and I've used them before so I have confidence in them as well.
Dwight Hottle reply :
The St 36 is my choice unless I want a heaver hook for larger fish than bass like pike, musky or lake trout. I just started trying the mustad KVD's like MarkH mentioned & they have worked well. A-Jay swears by them. The gammy EWG work well too.
1234567 reply :
All my cranks are st41 1/0. I have tried lately gammy short shank ewg magic eyes in the same size and I have lost more fish than with the owners. This is just my experience though.
NorcalBassin reply :
Also a fan of st 36
War Eagle 44 reply :
I'm a big fan of the 41's personally, although the 36's are really nice hooks as well. I think it would depend on what type bait I was changing the hooks on, say a jerkbait I'd more than likely stick with 36's because changing hooks on these lures alters their "suspendability". Now with square bills I always go 41's, this is a technique where you're mostly using heavier line and fishing around cover so I like the added advantage of the 2X 41.
On 11/23/2013 at 6:10 AM, 1234567 said:All my cranks are st41 1/0. I have tried lately gammy short shank ewg magic eyes in the same size and I have lost more fish than with the owners. This is just my experience though.
I've been having this very same thing happen to me. The hooks are deadly sharp and high quality but for some reason fish just keep coming unbuttoned. I think it has something to do with the gap being opened up more than the KVD EWG style hooks. I never have problems hooking or keeping fish hooked on the KVD trebles.
KDW96 reply :
Personally never tried either,but im going to get some 36s to try. Right now i find the KVD 1x2x to be working out well for me.
CWB reply :
36 are great. Been using Gammy magic eye short shank with great success. Both are inline, which I prefer, sharp as heck, but Gammys are a much better value and they work.
Siebert Outdoors reply :
Thanks guys!! I'm taking a poll on a future product. 
J Francho reply :
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The St 36 is my choice unless I want a heaver hook for larger fish than bass like pike, musky or lake trout.
I'd pretty much echo what Dwight said.
MarkH024 reply :
On 11/25/2013 at 11:21 PM, Siebert Outdoors said:Thanks guys!! I'm taking a poll on a future product.
Nice! Send me one to demo please.
Dwight Hottle reply :
On 11/26/2013 at 12:49 AM, MarkH024 said:Nice! Send me one to demo please.
Mike is such a nice guy he might just do that.
MarkH024 reply :
On 11/26/2013 at 4:14 AM, Dwight Hottle said:Mike is such a nice guy he might just do that.
This is true. Solid dude!
Comfortably Numb reply :
Are y'all using the ewg or round ben style of KVD's?
Dwight Hottle reply :
On 11/26/2013 at 6:08 AM, Comfortably Numb said:Are y'all using the ewg or round ben style of KVD's?
I was talking about the ewg style KVD's
Jrob78 reply :
On 11/26/2013 at 6:08 AM, Comfortably Numb said:Are y'all using the ewg or round ben style of KVD's?
I use the ewg short shanks in the KVD. I have other brands that I prefer for round bend hooks.
Comfortably Numb reply :
OK Cool. Just got these KVD in #2 #4 #6. Should keep me busy changing over.
War Eagle 44 reply :
Uuuhhhh... the two's are definitely Mustads but the 4's & 6's don't have the same point as I'm used to seeing on my KVD trebles.
Comfortably Numb reply :
Hmmm. Curious what you are seeing that is different?
Thanks
Jrob78 reply :
On 11/30/2013 at 8:23 AM, War Eagle 44 said:Uuuhhhh... the two's are definitely Mustads but the 4's & 6's don't have the same point as I'm used to seeing on my KVD trebles.
I agree. Mustad Triple Grips should have needle points, like the size 2 in your pic. Notice how the 6 and 4 have flat sides toward the point? That isn't the way Mustad sharpens their hooks.
Comfortably Numb reply :
Well after looking at all three sizes under a magnifying glass, none of the points are cone shaped.
So I definitely do not have Mustad KVD's? Just want to be sure when I confront the seller.
Thanks..
Jrob78 reply :
I bought a bait off of ebay a few weeks ago that the seller said had KVD trebles. They looked exactly like regular KVD's but they had the same points as the one's pictured. I honestly don't know what to think. What I do know is all the KVD Triple Grips I have ever bought have needle points with no flat edges.
War Eagle 44 reply :
In my opinion the # 2's are real Mustad hooks, the other two I'm not so sure about. Mustad KVD trebles have what Mustad refers to as "Ultra Point" technology hook points which look nothing like the points on the 4's and 6's. Try doing a search for Mustad KVD trebles and have a look at their points, I've never seen any with the points like your hooks. Good luck getting this sorted out.
MarkH024 reply :
CN- What was the outcome of this? I ordered in some KVD Trebles too and didn't review mine to see if I had the same issue. I got some round bends and EWG's but not in every size of each style. Mine were purchased at Tackle Warehouse during the Veterans day sales.
Comfortably Numb reply :
OK so I got these hooks from Lurecraft who is a pretty legitamate place. They assured me they are genuine Mustad KVD hooks. So I dont know what to do now. Maybe an older model?
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Mustad #TG76
SKU#: 6x076
Description: KEVIN Van Dam Elite Triple Grip – Black Nickel Hook Choice for Power Applications “It’s the treble hook design I wish I’d had sooner because I know it would have made a difference in several tournaments. This is a must-have for improving the hook-ups on crank baits.” Kevin VanDam – World’s #1 Ranked Angler
Comfortably Numb reply :
On 12/3/2013 at 2:13 AM, MarkH024 said:CN- What was the outcome of this? I ordered in some KVD Trebles too and didn't review mine to see if I had the same issue. I got some round bends and EWG's but not in every size of each style. Mine were purchased at Tackle Warehouse during the Veterans day sales.
You should be fine because they are in a Mustad package.
Mine were bulk in an unlabled bag.
War Eagle 44 reply :
On 12/5/2013 at 8:51 AM, Comfortably Numb said:OK so I got these hooks from Lurecraft who is a pretty legitamate place. They assured me they are genuine Mustad KVD hooks. So I dont know what to do now. Maybe an older model?
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Mustad #TG76
SKU#: 6x076
Description: KEVIN Van Dam Elite Triple Grip – Black Nickel Hook Choice for Power Applications “It’s the treble hook design I wish I’d had sooner because I know it would have made a difference in several tournaments. This is a must-have for improving the hook-ups on crank baits.” Kevin VanDam – World’s #1 Ranked Angler
I'm glad you were able to get everything figured out. I hope you like the hooks as I've had very good luck using them. I'll also add though that if indeed Mustad is going away from the "Ultra Point" on these then I'll stop using them altogether. I HATE when companies cheapen a good product just so they can make a bigger profit but try to convince consumers that the new version is just as good or better. I'm perfectly capable of deciding for myself.
Another good example of this is the Shimano Curado G.
Comfortably Numb reply :
I see on Mustads website they call it
"Opti-Angle Needle Point" and not "Ultra Point"
Still kinda confused LOL
Jrob78 reply :
On 12/6/2013 at 8:51 AM, Comfortably Numb said:I see on Mustads website they call it
"Opti-Angle Needle Point" and not "Ultra Point"
Still kinda confused LOL
Wow, so they must be changing the points. I won't buy them anymore if they don't offer the Ultra Point. Gamakatsu makes great short shank hooks and Owners 36's are great too.
War Eagle 44 reply :
On 12/6/2013 at 10:46 AM, Jrob78 said:Wow, so they must be changing the points. I won't buy them anymore if they don't offer the Ultra Point. Gamakatsu makes great short shank hooks and Owners 36's are great too.
Looks that way. As I said before I just don't understand making changes to a proven product that no one is actually calling for.
On 12/6/2013 at 8:51 AM, Comfortably Numb said:I see on Mustads website they call it
"Opti-Angle Needle Point" and not "Ultra Point"
Still kinda confused LOL
I've got a package somewhere that has the "Ultra Point" printing on it, I'll try and get a pic if I can find them.
Comfortably Numb reply :
I have some Gamma Magic Eyes that are very sharp.
Comfortably Numb reply :
"Like all UltraPoint® hooks, they feature Mustad’s 4.3 Micro Sharp Point Technology for a sleek, slimmer, incredibly sharp point. This unique, two-stage opti-angle point has less metal removed in the sharpening process than with traditional methods, providing all the benefits of a true needle point with incredible strength and durability. Chemically sharpened and Nor-Tempered to be up to 30% stronger than conventional hooks, UltraPoint® is a very sharp, very strong needle point that delivers quick, easy penetrations…and longer performance."
So I guess an "Ultra Point" is a "Opti-angle Point" 
I think I will return what I got and buy what I know are real Mustad KVD Elite Triple grips.
War Eagle 44 reply :
A-Jay reply :
On 12/7/2013 at 1:37 AM, War Eagle 44 said:
Game Changer ~
Each one is like 3 little gaffs !
When bait suspension is not an issue - Best Treble out there.
A-Jay
War Eagle 44 reply :
On 12/6/2013 at 3:09 PM, Comfortably Numb said:"Like all UltraPoint® hooks, they feature Mustad’s 4.3 Micro Sharp Point Technology for a sleek, slimmer, incredibly sharp point. This unique, two-stage opti-angle point has less metal removed in the sharpening process than with traditional methods, providing all the benefits of a true needle point with incredible strength and durability. Chemically sharpened and Nor-Tempered to be up to 30% stronger than conventional hooks, UltraPoint® is a very sharp, very strong needle point that delivers quick, easy penetrations…and longer performance."
So I guess an "Ultra Point" is a "Opti-angle Point"
I think I will return what I got and buy what I know are real Mustad KVD Elite Triple grips.
No, the Ultra Point isn't opti-angle, it's completely round.
Comfortably Numb reply :
I emailed Mustad to see if they could help me.
Comfortably Numb reply :
Sent an email to Mustad. This is the reply.
"We have two point technologies and this is genuine Mustad hooks FYI".
Jrob78 reply :
That's weird, I will be paying close attention when I buy Mustad hooks from now on. Thanks for doing the leg work CM.
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