More Banning Of The Arig.. 2024
slimshad reply :
Now you can't use one at any BASS events. I like them and think you should be able to use them. Wish Indiana would have kept the five hook limit too. We had it for a year, I made a ton of them and then they dropped it to 3 hooks. I say fuey on the Arig banning! catches fish and thats what I am trying to do. Carry on, thanks for the rant...
roadwarrior reply :
Well, I don't really care whether The Rig is fished in tournaments or not, but for everyone
else, NOW is the time! I especially like trolling slow or drifting along grass edges and over
structure.
Catch and Grease reply :
The majority of pros don't like it being used in tournaments, so that's why its banned.
This is from an article about it being banned in FLW tourneys "The primary reason the rig was banned was that the majority of pros simply didn’t want it. In the spring, FLW surveyed all the Tour pros and the results told the story – two thirds of the 150 wanted it barred. At that point, all other discussions cease as this is the pros’ circuit. If they don’t want it and they can agree (to a majority), then it’s gone. With concrete data in hand, FLW made the only rational decision it could."
I'm assuming this is the same reason it was banned in BASS
gulfcaptain reply :
So can they still use the Booya Rigs? It's up to the organizations that are putting on the even. If they decide to ban it, so be it. That's their event and they make the rules. If you don't like it don't fish them. There are a lot of other rules you should look into....NO cell phones during tournement times except for emergencies. Non boaters have quit a list, no hand held gps, no recording spots, no passing information of previous day with a different pro, just to think of right off the top of my head. Oh, did you know they do back ground checks too. It's just another rule if you choose to fish for money you have to follow.
slimshad reply :
It is a bait that catches bass, not a "rule' or background check.. Is there another bait that is banned? A jerkbait and several topwaters have three treble hooks on them, thats 9 hooks.
Logan S reply :
Honestly, I think it's banned because those organizations didn't want nearly every event to be dominated by it....It would get boring for the anglers and the fans.
Trolling catches a lot of bass too, you still need to find them, still need the right bait, etc... But no one complains?
Their organization, their rules... Doesn't bother me at all.
roadwarrior reply :
On 10/15/2014 at 10:34 PM, Catch and Grease said:The majority of pros don't like it being used in tournaments, so that's why its banned.
Well, if that's the criteria I am surprised the Senko hasn't been banned, too!
gulfcaptain reply :
On 10/15/2014 at 11:17 PM, slimshad said:It is a bait that catches bass, not a "rule' or background check.. Is there another bait that is banned? A jerkbait and several topwaters have three treble hooks on them, thats 9 hooks.
No, 1 treble is 1 hook. CA only allowed 3 hooks max so hard baits can only have 3 trebles but it is a sing So A-Rig would be 5 hooks thus 2 dummy baits and 3 hooked baits. And if they "ruled" to ban the use of this bait then it is a RULE. Live bait catches bass too, but there's a RULE that says "No Live Bait". Sorry your arguement kinda collapes on itself with the point it catches bass, so does a cast net when they are on beds, but I don't think they are going to let me do that either.
PersicoTrotaVA reply :
This is what happens when something works too well and a few people get miffed because they aren't catching them and don't want to throw an Arig on. Yes you can pull in 2 or more fish at a time, but you still gotta find those fish...if it's not against the states fishing laws, then it shouldn't be banned...but I'm not in charge at BASS.
Raul reply :
It´s not because it has many hooks, it´s because at one time you have more than 1 bait in the water.
gulfcaptain reply :
Thank you Raul. And for those that don't know, yes it is illeagel in certain states where you can only fish one baited hook, thus fish 4 dummy baits and one single hooked bait. Not really the bait you want to throw then since they have 4 other options so that's why Booya came up with their bait idea with small grubs and blades so you can attach a bait behind.
WRB reply :
One of the issues with the A-rig is foul hooking bass, California banned any lure or lures that have more than 3 hooks and has laws against snagging game fish. Every state has different laws, Arizona a neighboring state the shares Colorado river as a border has a 3 hook, 1 lure law that eliminates the A-rig and other multiple lure use. Most A-rigs in California have 3 lures with single hooks and multiple attractors; blades or drummer swimmers.
You can't troll lures in most bass tournaments, must cast and retrieve using 1 rod/reel at a time, the rod 8' or shorter, no live bait. Lots of rules that level the competitive playing field.
Tom
J Francho reply :
I don't fish BASS or FLW events. The last tournament I won. I threw an umbrella all day.
flyfisher reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 1:44 AM, J Francho said:I don't fish BASS or FLW events. The last tournament I won. I threw an umbrella all day.
Hope that set up was balanced or you might have carpal tunnel syndrome afterwards.....lol
I am thinking of getting an A-rig to try out this year but we will see if i ever do and actually chuck one. it is a lot of hooks to have to manage in a kayak
J Francho reply :
Yawn....I'm so tired of "fatigue" posts, lol.
My right fore arm, and left triceps were a little sore the next day. No biggie, I recovered. I think I use my 7'6" Deep South XXXH flipping stick that day, with a TD-X 103HSDL and 65# braid. Yanking 17 Lbs. of smallies out of the Oneida was more work than chucking the rig, lol.
The hardest part of that day was coutning it down to 12-14 FOW, then reeling in.
slimshad reply :
It hurt me when I threw the big stuff at Guntersville. I had to put it down and chunk traps for 30 minute breaks. I had the big shadolicious baits on all JWill hooks. That dude was a beast. Caught several 5 pounders and a double with a 3 and a 4 pounder that day. They just hit it like a truck going the other way. I don't care if the big tournys ban it, I just think it is uncalled for. It is "ONE" bait in my book. I tie it on one eyelet and throw it like a spinnerbait.
J Francho reply :
Carolina rigs give me brain fatigue.
Tim Kelly reply :
If throwing an A-rig is too much like hard work NEVER go muskie fishing! LOL
flyfisher reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 3:45 AM, J Francho said:Yawn....I'm so tired of "fatigue" posts, lol.
My right fore arm, and left triceps were a little sore the next day. No biggie, I recovered. I think I use my 7'6" Deep South XXXH flipping stick that day, with a TD-X 103HSDL and 65# braid. Yanking 17 Lbs. of smallies out of the Oneida was more work than chucking the rig, lol.
The hardest part of that day was coutning it down to 12-14 FOW, then reeling in.
It was said tongue in cheek....i always laugh at those same posts.
ColdSVT reply :
I have yet to hook up on an A rig...im tryin though!
Brian6428 reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 3:35 AM, flyfisher said:Hope that set up was balanced or you might have carpal tunnel syndrome afterwards.....lol
I am thinking of getting an A-rig to try out this year but we will see if i ever do and actually chuck one. it is a lot of hooks to have to manage in a kayak
So the real question....what weight fly rod are you gonna be throwing that A-rig on? 
Montanaro reply :
I've watched numerous shows, tournaments, and youtube videos of a rigs.
A large number of bass brought in are snagged from trying to bust the bait ball. Simply not sporting or ethical.
flyfisher reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 5:51 AM, Brian6428 said:So the real question....what weight fly rod are you gonna be throwing that A-rig on?
you joke but i have seen guys tie up A rig type flies.....i have a rod that could handle it but doesn't equate well to a fly rod lol
greentrout reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 7:31 AM, Montanaro said:I've watched numerous shows, tournaments, and youtube videos of a rigs.
A large number of bass brought in are snagged from trying to bust the bait ball. Simply not sporting or ethical.
Ditto...a cheap and lazy way to fish leaving little to the imagination...
Old school basser...
Jrob78 reply :
I imagine "long lining/strolling" or whatever you call it will be next. As long as everyone plays by the same rules, it really doesn't matter. I mean, the Elite Series doesn't allow nets and doesn't have co-anglers, FLW does. Them's the rules. It is a non-issue and definitely doesn't effect my fishing.
J Francho reply :
I've probably caught over 100 fish on various umbrella rigs. I've never had a problem foul hooking them. In fact, longer jerk baits do more damage.
200racing reply :
pros carried a-rigs to far. had guys throwing double a-rigs in flw, just crazy.
i feel the main reason for a-rig bans is image. hard to air a big bass being boated with 4 hooks in her head and side but none in his mouth and the pros just yanking them out.
roadwarrior reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 7:31 AM, Montanaro said:I've watched numerous shows, tournaments, and youtube videos of a rigs.
A large number of bass brought in are snagged from trying to bust the bait ball. Simply not sporting or ethical.
That's never happened to me or anyone I fish with. In fact, I have never caught a fish on an outside
arm. Every fish I have caught has been on the middle main arm.
Montanaro reply :
So it doesn't happen?
Catch and Grease reply :
When you have 20 hooks on a rig it stops looking like an Alabama rig and starts looking like a chandelier.
slimshad reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 9:30 AM, greentrout said:Ditto...a cheap and lazy way to fish leaving little to the imagination...
Old school basser...
Cheap and lazy? They cost a small fortune and you have to be strong and halfway fit to throw it allday. A lazy person with no imagination would never throw one of these baits. I do hook some bass on the outside sometimes. I never once thought it hurt the fish. The hook was in them but no bleeding or tearing of the skin. I have done way worse with big crankbaits or spooks.
J Francho reply :
Apparently, I was the only one imaginative to run the river for deep smallies. Everyone else that day fished the shallows. Only two limits brought in that day. Funny, everyone threw them the next week. I didn't, came in third with jig fish. No one caught a thing on the rig. Who's unoriginal there?
I suppose it's the same as way I feel about C-rigs.
And Kent, I have caught a few on the outside baits. Both singles and doubles.
Raul reply :
Man, I dunno how many times I´ve said that there´s no such thing as magic bullet, A rig fishing is not just rigging a bunch of baits and casting them idiotically all they long just as trolling is not just idiotically dragging a bait behind the boat.
Then when, as usual, people go with the hype and flow come here and ask "Why this or that didn´t work ?" and scratch their heads, man in YouTube I saw this dude ketchin a 5 lber on each bait ! duhhhhhhhhh, cuz you weren´t fishing it in the right location with the right presentation.
J Francho reply :
That rig draws them like seniors to bingo night. LOL.
Brian6428 reply :
I think one of the most interesting arguments brought up in the article is that they are taking innovation away from the sport.
J Francho reply :
From a rules vs. local laws standpoint, it seems like it's easier just to say, no to spreader rigs. No trying to enforce confusing laws - a treble is a hook, and three hooks per bait, one bait per rod, one rod at a time. It doesn't really affect me, and my fishing, so I don't care what they allow/restrict. However, that does have an impact on what everyday anglers choose to fish with.
Jay Ell Gee reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 7:04 PM, Montanaro said:So it doesn't happen?
I think before making such a statement in a post, you should throw the thing yourself and form your own opinion instead of basing it on YouTube videos.
J Francho reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 7:31 AM, Montanaro said:I've watched numerous shows, tournaments, and youtube videos of a rigs.
A large number of bass brought in are snagged from trying to bust the bait ball. Simply not sporting or ethical.
On 10/16/2014 at 7:04 PM, Montanaro said:So it doesn't happen?
Sounds like you answered your own question before asking. I bet one can dig up a good amount of evidence for other baits foul hooking bass. Are trailer hooks unethical? What about suspending slash baits? Large, deep diving cranks? Big topwaters? Swimbaits? All these baits pose a great risk of the second (sometimes third) hook catching the fish outside the mouth. Heck, I've foul hooked smallmouth on a dropshot. I think you have to draw line at intent, when it comes to ethics here. You're trying to draw a strike, the fish attacks the bait - wait, isn't that what we want with every bait? I think I actually foul hooked a bass once with an umbrella rig once. Maybe twice. But it was also hooked in the mouth. I do quite a bit of jerk bait fishing, and I've been known to remove the rear treble on three hook baits when the bite is aggressive, to keep from having to perform surgery between catches. I'll also put the umbrella rig down when the bite is on - it's not the tool for that. It works on those days, when bass are schooled up, suspended, and in a negative feeding mode. It ignites them.
What the pros' rules allow and restrict has little influence on my fishing. If you don't like to use them, then don't use them. If you are fishing against me on Oneida in the fall, really don't use them. Throw out your red traps, too. They don't work either, lol.
I think questioning the ethics in fishing is an important discussion, but a flame war, with anglers pointing their fingers at other anglers serves no purpose. So let's try to keep this educational and informational.
Videos of snagged fish? Let's see them.
T-Rick reply :
On 10/16/2014 at 5:44 AM, ColdSVT said:I have yet to hook up on an A rig...im tryin though!
I am glad I am not the only one. I was excited to use a A rig this past summer and never caught a fish. I need to catch one using it next season.
buzzed bait reply :
On 10/17/2014 at 9:29 PM, J Francho said:Sounds like you answered your own question before asking. I bet one can dig up a good amount of evidence for other baits foul hooking bass. Are trailer hooks unethical? What about suspending slash baits? Large, deep diving cranks? Big topwaters? Swimbaits? All these baits pose a great risk of the second (sometimes third) hook catching the fish outside the mouth. Heck, I've foul hooked smallmouth on a dropshot. I think you have to draw line at intent, when it comes to ethics here. You're trying to draw a strike, the fish attacks the bait - wait, isn't that what we want with every bait? I think I actually foul hooked a bass once with an umbrella rig once. Maybe twice. But it was also hooked in the mouth. I do quite a bit of jerk bait fishing, and I've been known to remove the rear treble on three hook baits when the bite is aggressive, to keep from having to perform surgery between catches. I'll also put the umbrella rig down when the bite is on - it's not the tool for that. It works on those days, when bass are schooled up, suspended, and in a negative feeding mode. It ignites them.
What the pros' rules allow and restrict has little influence on my fishing. If you don't like to use them, then don't use them. If you are fishing against me on Oneida in the fall, really don't use them. Throw out your red traps, too. They don't work either, lol.
I think questioning the ethics in fishing is an important discussion, but a flame war, with anglers pointing their fingers at other anglers serves no purpose. So let's try to keep this educational and informational.
Videos of snagged fish? Let's see them.
i somehow hooked a fish yesterday on a crankbait where like 5 of the 6 hooks of the 2 trebles were all sorts of fouled up on the in and outside of the fish's mouth. i've hooked some fish bad before, but this was one odd hook up.... that said i felt like i did more damage than i should have trying to get him unpinned. a "single hook" application (non trebles) like the rig wouldn't have this same problem.
i'm not an a-rig fisher, but that's just because i don't want to dedicate the gear and or time to throwing it. it just doesn't appeal to me personally. i do not fish for money so i can't say how i would feel at that point. my only thoughts are that the different fishing organizations should try to have the same or very similar rules. that way as an angler, you wouldn't be confused about which rules/regulations apply for that organization. just my opinions.....
Montanaro reply :
Where did I ever say I never threw one or that I'm pointing fingers at people and trying to start a flame war?
Yall need to take a step back and reassess your own contributions to this thread.
A rigs can and do entangle bass. Yes you drew a strike. How often do trebles from a jerk bait get tangled in a bass's tail and you haul him in sideways without a fight? Outside of some dinks, that never happens to me. I still use a rigs and find them interesting...but there are questions surrounding it.
J Francho reply :
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my only thoughts are that the different fishing organizations should try to have the same or very similar rules. that way as an angler, you wouldn't be confused about which rules/regulations apply for that organization. just my opinions.....
Generally, small clubs make their own rules, and they're passed by a vote. You usually need a quorum and rules changes are passed by majority or some percentage of the votes. Unaffiliated clubs can basically use whatever rules they deem necessary for a level playing field. Kind of the same as the FLW ruling in the OP.
buzzed bait reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 12:23 AM, J Francho said:Generally, small clubs make their own rules, and they're passed by a vote. You usually need a quorum and rules changes are passed by majority or some percentage of the votes. Unaffiliated clubs can basically use whatever rules they deem necessary for a level playing field. Kind of the same as the FLW ruling in the OP.
that makes sense.....
yet another reason i'm reluctant to get into the tournament scene... it just seems so much more fun to do it on your own rules.
J Francho reply :
Depends on the club. I generally fish team format "opens" nowadays. You see many of the same faces, and none of the BS you can get in club politics. I'm gonna be fishing anyway, so it's just added bonus to throw some money on the table.
GoDeep reply :
The PAA tourney on Douglas Lake here a couple years ago was a joke thanks to the A Rig. That tournament alone is why the PAA banned it. Glad to see its out in other venues as wel .
J Francho reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 4:15 AM, GoDeep said:The PAA tourney on Douglas Lake here a couple years ago was a joke thanks to the A Rig. That tournament alone is why the PAA banned it. Glad to see its out in other venues as wel .
I don't remember the details. Elaborate?
Catch and Grease reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 4:15 AM, GoDeep said:The PAA tourney on Douglas Lake here a couple years ago was a joke thanks to the A Rig. That tournament alone is why the PAA banned it. Glad to see its out in other venues as wel .
Every tournament is won on a certain bait, should crankbaits be banned because every year alot tournaments are "dominated" by it?
iabass8 reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 5:02 AM, Catch and Grease said:Every tournament is won on a certain bait, should crankbaits be banned because every year alot tournaments are "dominated" by it?
Do you honestly consider the Arig or any of its variants a "single bait"?
J Francho reply :
It's a rig, not a bait. Donkey rig, drop shot, droppers all involve multiple baits when rigging. Semantics don't really matter, you like it or you don't.
gulfcaptain reply :
I'm going to have to agree and side with J Francho. Those who understand how to use them catch fish with them. I have caught a lot of fish with them. It's a tool for a certain job. Have I had one hook foul a fish? Yep, That fish had all 3 hooks in it.....2 of the baits were in it's mouth and one on the side. Did it try to eat the whole rig, I think so. But it wasn't snagged and was hooked no worse then what I've seen with crankbait or jerkbait fish. This post started out with the discussion of more tournaments banning the use of it. Like I said before, their tournament, their rules. Stop bashing the umbrella rig because it works for those who know when and how to fish it. They put time and effort into using it and understand when to pull it out and get the job done. If it's allowed in a Tournament and you choose not to fish it and get spanked by the guy who has mastered it. You lost and he won. He pulled more weight in within that tournaments rules regarding what can be used and what can't.
GoDeep reply :
Here is an article that was written immediately after the tournament on Douglas Lake.
"Only one angler who finished among the Top 15 at last week's PAA Tournament Series opener at Tennessee's Douglas Lake did not utilize an umbrella rig during the competition. That's ignited enough of a firestorm within the ranks that the membership will be surveyed for a second time as to whether the multi-arm contraptions should be banned on the circuit.
PAA president Dave Mansue told another site that competitors in next month's event at Fort Loudoun/Tellico will be asked to give a straight "yay" or "nay" vote on the rigs, and the remainder of the organization's 300-plus Tour Level members will be polled via email. If the naysayers prevail, the ban would go into effect at the start of the 2014 season.
The determination to put the issue to a new vote was reached during a conference call this week among the PAA Board of Directors. The membership also weighed in on the matter last year, but "no opinion" was given as a third choice in that instance. The number of voters who selected that option, combined with the number who voted in favor of the rigs, was greater than the number who voted to outlaw them, and they were thus declared legal for PAA events.
Some think the results of the upcoming vote will be different with the "no opinion" option off the table.
"We need to do this while this tournament's still fresh on everyone's mind," said Mike McClelland, a PAA board member who's spearheading the move to rid the circuit of the rigs. "We need to find out one way or the other if a majority of the membership is for it or against it, and if it turns out there's more for it, I'll throw up my hands and say I'm sorry for the comments I've made.
"I truly believe, though, that given only those two choices, there'll be more against it than for it."
The Only Way to Go (Almost)
Carl Jocumsen, a 28-year-old Australian who's trying to forge a career in the U.S. pro ranks, was the lone non-rig-thrower to make the final-day cut at Douglas. He ended up 12th.
"I'm pretty sure I was the only one in the Top 25 or more who didn't use it," he said. "I went up the (French Broad) River and fished a jig (a Peppers Custom model with a Strike King Rage Tail trailer).
"I actually don't mind throwing the Alabama Rig and I've done well on it here in Oklahoma (where he's living this year with Elite Series pro Fred Roumbanis), but I didn't find that bite. A lot of guys who did well on it didn't even practice because they were coming from other tournaments and things like that, and the first 2 days of practice we had snow and wind and the temperature was below freezing. That's when I found that jig bite. Once it warmed up the rig got better and better, and the jig bite did, too."
He entered the event with high hopes, but knew he wouldn't contend for the top slot when his 15-pound bag on day 1 was barely more than half of what competitors such as Tim Horton and Brian Snowden caught on the rig."You catch fish on the rig that are impossible to catch on a jig," he said. "My fish were real mongrel and feral, but those rig fish were clean. You could look at them and see they'd never been caught before.
"Guys who didn't even pre-fish were throwing it around and catching big bags, and it's making a lot of us a lot dumber. That's the one thing I don't like about it and I'm glad it doesn't work all year."
Versatility Stifled?
The limiting aspect of umbrella rigs in particular events, such as the Douglas derby and the FLW Tour Open at Guntersville in October 2011 at which they were introduced to the country, is one reason why some pros like McClelland and Dave Lefebre are so dead-set against them.
"I'm not saying I would've won the tournament if the rig wasn't used, but I believe I would've competed at a very high level," said McClelland, who ended up 30th. "I had enough bites over the course of practice with a Wiggle Wart, a Spro McStick and football- and round-head jigs that told me those things would've definitely played, and I think you would've seen the finesse guys catch some strong limits on shaky-heads and dropshots.
"We could've showed how good and how versatile Douglas really is and there are six or eight different methods we could've promoted to the public and guys could've fished their strengths. Instead, we came away from the tournament giving the appearance that the only thing that anybody needed to be throwing was the A-Rig. In my mind, too many anglers have worked for a lot of years to become versatile bass fishermen and we've developed tactics that have become our so-called strong suits. Now we're put in a position where we're forced to throw something, knowing that if we don't, we won't be contenders.
"It's as close to a lottery as anything that's ever been," the three-time Elite Series winner continued. "We might as well take our entry fees and put them on black or red on a roulette wheel as go out and try to compete against the A-Rig with a traditional bait in this type of tournament. I really feel that Jerry McKinnis and the B.A.S.S. staff made an awesome decision in not allowing it to be thrown (on the Elite Series or in the Bassmaster Classic). Because of that, we're able to show our true fishing abilities."
Lefebre, who finished 48th in the 99-angler field at Douglas, competes on the FLW Tour, so he fishes against anglers throwing rigs on his primary circuit as well. He's been an outspoken opponent of them since their emergence 18 months ago.
"It doesn't belong in professional fishing and everybody knows it – even the guys who are throwing it," he said. "I'm in a league that allows it and it costs me thousands of dollars the longer it goes on. I want it to go away and it looks like the PAA's got a serious chance to get rid of it.
"People say it's legal and that I have to do it, but that's not how I live my personal life. Just because something's legal, does that mean I should go do it? I'm in a real pickle because I'm going to another tournament (next week's Beaver FLW Tour) where I know I'm going to get it handed to me going in.
"It's not a pride thing," he added. "Some people say my ego's too big, but I've gotten a lot of support from different people and organizations that want me to keep fighting it. People say it's good for the companies in the industry, but I have other companies telling me to keep fighting it and don't give in."
The Other Viewpoint
Snowden, like McClelland, sits on the 10-member PAA Board of Directors. Unlike McClelland, he doesn't view umbrella rigs as a bad thing for pro fishing.
"I really don't know why guys like Mike are so against it," he said. "It's like any other tool – electronics with StructureScan or boats that can run the distances they run now. It's just part of the evolution in lures, and I've learned how to use it and I'm enjoying it.
"It's not a miracle lure where every time you throw it you catch five fish on five baits. On 2 of the days (at Douglas, where he finished 10th) I didn't have a limit. It's an all-day process and it's difficult. You have to know how to throw it and there's still a lot of skill involved in finding fish and presenting the lure, just like there is with a crankbait or anything else."
Mansue, the PAA president, just hopes to get a solid consensus this time as to which direction the organization should go.
"We're going to make a concerted effort to find out how the membership feels," he said. "The great thing about the PAA is the membership has a direct impact on what we do – they do have a voice.
"I strongly urge each member to be a part of this process, whether they're for (using umbrella rigs) or against it."
Catch and Grease reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 5:30 AM, iabass8 said:Do you honestly consider the Arig or any of its variants a "single bait"?
No I do not. But I don't consider a double fluke rig, dropshot with a jig as weight, etc etc as single baits ethier
Should those be banned too?
iabass8 reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 8:17 AM, Catch and Grease said:No I do not. But I don't consider a double fluke rig, dropshot with a jig as weight, etc etc as single baits ethier
Should those be banned too?
what does that have to do with anything I said...
Catch and Grease reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 8:21 AM, iabass8 said:what does that have to do with anything I said...
You asked if I consider the A-rig one bait and I said no.
How does that have nothing to do with what you said?
iabass8 reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 8:22 AM, Catch and Grease said:You asked if I consider the A-rig one bait and I said no.
How does that have nothing to do with what you said?
Okay let me rephrase that for you. What does asking me if the rigs you mentioned should be banned to have anything to do with what I asked? Does that make sense to you or would you like me to go little deeper?
Catch and Grease reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 8:24 AM, iabass8 said:Okay let me rephrase that for you. What does asking me if the rigs you mentioned should be banned to have anything to do with what I asked? Does that make sense to you or would you like me to go little deeper?
I'm assuming from the way you asked me that you think multiple lure rigs are bad in tournaments, If you don't think that way my mistake.
Jrob78 reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 8:17 AM, Catch and Grease said:No I do not. But I don't consider a double fluke rig, dropshot with a jig as weight, etc etc as single baits ethier
Should those be banned too?
Those things are banned too, in BASS tournaments at least.
Catch and Grease reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 9:10 AM, Jrob78 said:Those things are banned too, in BASS tournaments at least.
Yes they are, personally I don't care a whole lot. If the pros are okay with the rules and regulations of tournaments then I am too.
gulfcaptain reply :
So from that posted article, I see a lot of "wining". We could have won but we didn't use it and it's not fair. But if they take a vote and most vote no then it's no for their tournament via their rules. I think they should ban all electronics except a trolling motor and an old school flasher. Lets see who the best fisherman are then without being able to "video game" fish.
GoDeep reply :
On 10/18/2014 at 9:11 PM, gulfcaptain said:So from that posted article, I see a lot of "wining". We could have won but we didn't use it and it's not fair. But if they take a vote and most vote no then it's no for their tournament via their rules. I think they should ban all electronics except a trolling motor and an old school flasher. Lets see who the best fisherman are then without being able to "video game" fish.
I agree on the electronics lol. I'd love to see a tournament with 0 electronics except maybe a depth finder.
gulfcaptain reply :
I think it would be an interesting tournament for sure and see who can overcome not having their array of electronics. Just old school fishing. That would level the playing field for sure.
Felix77 reply :
On 10/15/2014 at 10:12 PM, roadwarrior said:Well, I don't really care whether The Rig is fished in tournaments or not, but for everyone
else, NOW is the time! I especially like trolling slow or drifting along grass edges and over
structure.
This post inspired me to get my A-Rig out and fish the hell out of it today. I caught my very first bass, actually 3 and a few pike on the rig. One 3+lber practically ripped the rod right out of my hand. What a strike! Helluva way to fish. So much fun!
Zach Dunham reply :
You know.....flipping was once banned when it was first utilized because the pros didn't want to have to learn something totally new. I smell sour grapes. The A-Rig was a major factor in exactly TWO Bassmaster Opens this year (out of 9). So much for dominating the tour! Everyone who said it was going to take it over is flat out wrong and we have the stats to prove it. It is just another tool in the shed.
Whoever mentioned the PAA tournament, that just shows how closed-minded most bass fishermen are. Look at BASSFest this year on Chickamauga...8 of the top 10 guys were using a crankbait. Oh wait, how about the Open on St. Claire/Erie? We should ban the drop shot too because pretty much everyone that had a chance was using it. If our logic for banning something is that too many guys used it, then we should just quit fishing.
....and this is all coming from a guy who SUCKS at using the A-rig. I have never caught a fish on it and it isn't my thing. Sometimes we need to realize that most humans are resistant to change, and someone at the top needs to make a smarter decision and not just listen to the masses.
TrapperJ reply :
I agree its not this wonder lure that always works, like some think it does.
Its one heck of a ferocious strike though when u get bite and thats what keeps me throwing it.
J Francho reply :
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Its one heck of a ferocious strike though when u get bite and thats what keeps me throwing it.
It really is. It's about the only thing as close to the strikes you get from striper or salmonoids. I think it's the stiff rods, heavy no stretch braid, combined with a moving bait. We're so used to lighter power rods, or slower actions with moving baits. Even when when using heavy gear, it's us swing on the fish. With an umbrella rig, it's them swinging on us. 
Pinoy_Basser reply :
IGFA Ruling on the A-Rig/Umbrella rig:
http://www.igfa.org/About/Umbrella-Rigs-and-******-Hooks----NOT-IGFA-Legal.aspx
In my honest opinion the phrase "they hamper the fighting capability of the fish during the fight" in IGFA's ruling is giving the fish a fair chance to fight back when hooked. With the profile of the A-Rig it will create a significant amount of drag that will hamper its ability to jump, run, shake the hook etc. effectively. We are all caught up on the idea that its not fair to anglers but we did not think if its fair to the fish. That's why Bass is a considered a game fish, its you vs the Bass.
Zach Dunham reply :
On 10/30/2014 at 4:22 PM, Pinoy_Basser said:IGFA Ruling on the A-Rig/Umbrella rig:
http://www.igfa.org/About/Umbrella-Rigs-and-******-Hooks----NOT-IGFA-Legal.aspx
In my honest opinion the phrase "they hamper the fighting capability of the fish during the fight" in IGFA's ruling is giving the fish a fair chance to fight back when hooked. With the profile of the A-Rig it will create a significant amount of drag that will hamper its ability to jump, run, shake the hook etc. effectively. We are all caught up on the idea that its not fair to anglers but we did not think if its fair to the fish. That's why Bass is a considered a game fish, its you vs the Bass.
Yeah because bass really have a chance to fight when I'm flipping with a 7'6" - 8' rod and 65 lb braid.
J Francho reply :
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With the profile of the A-Rig it will create a significant amount of drag that will hamper its ability to jump, run, shake the hook etc. effectively.
Said no one that has caught a fish on an umbrella rig, lol.
Felix77 reply :
On 10/30/2014 at 9:05 PM, J Francho said:Said no one that has caught a fish on an umbrella rig, lol.
Exactly ... I found it to be the opposite ... They strike with a vengeance. So much so that they barely give US a fighting chance. Freakin' rip the rod right out of your hand ... LOL
J Francho reply :
The amount of misconception of it is confounding. I don't care if you like it or not, but unless you fished, please don't describe to me what it's like, lol.
Choporoz reply :
This month's Bassmaster 'Day on the Lake' was entertaining as ever. David Walker was soooo embarrassed to be throwing the A-rig...yet he kept doing it. lol
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