I'm was looking to try out swimbaits but I'm trying to decide between swimbaits or flipping jigs. Either one I choose I will have to get a new rod and reseller. The lakes I fish have no weeds in them. One has rocks around the edge and the other has stumps in it. My question is which setup should I go for? I've never flipped with anything except a spinning rod. Any advice will help. Thanks. Which setup produces more? I'm wanting to start out with the 4" floating bbz1 shad ifalso i choose swimbaits.
Hard to say as both have their moments, however I would go with jigs. At least in my experiences jigs are a more consistent bait.
In my experience. Swimbaits, you'll get more strikes however all sizes of bass will bite it, 2lb to 8lb. A jig is not a numbers bait, if you're wanting to catch more fish, I'd go with the swimbait, but If you want to catch monster bass, go with the jig. Remember that you won't catch one every cast with the jig.
Both have their applications, and between the two I would say you have the best trophy bass lures around. There are times when a swimbait will get bit often, and there are times a jig will too. To say one is good for _____ and the other is good for ______ I think is over simplifying it.
I'm a swimbait fiend, so Im going to say go swimbaits
If you want to go for numbers as well as big fish then I would say go ahead and shoot for ~6" baits. You can get by with a flippin stick for alot of diff 6" baits. I prefer to throw 6" hudds and some of my gill baits on a flippin stick as compared to a SB rod. I wouldn't go for the 4" shad as they arn't that well made from my experience. Dont be afraid of throwing 6" baits, youll catch alot more >6" bass thank you would ever imagine.
NGaHB
confuses things with...
swimjig
Tough question. Those are pretty much the only 2 types of baits I fish! I don't flip though; mostly casting jigs, and a little pitching,,,
P.S. Hillbilly is a fiend all right. He can catch an 8" bass on an 8" bait.
Why are you limiting yourself? You should start out by purchasing a setup that you can throw both applications on - 7' MH Moderate/Fast. Granted, this isn't ideal for swimbaits, but is the most versitile rod that you can buy, and once you figure out your confidence baits, you can purchase more setups from there.
Just my two cents!
NGaHillbilly and Vinny have it right imo. A 4 inch bbz 1 shad is a small swimbait and the right rod could handle both jigs and that swimbait pretty well. I believe imo you'll catch more fish on a jig than a swimbait, but something about bigger swimbaits has some serious drawing power on those bass. Get them both and fish them both and I know it's cliche, but let the fish tell you what they want! Active fish, maybe the swimbait will be better, if there inactive/active the jig may work better. Only one way to find out! Good luck!
Sorry for the underline.
On 5/8/2012 at 12:59 AM, outdoorsman110 said:Swimbaits, you'll get more strikes however all sizes of bass will bite it, 2lb to 8lb. A jig is not a numbers bait, if you're wanting to catch more fish, I'd go with the swimbait, but If you want to catch monster bass, go with the jig. Remember that you won't catch one every cast with the jig.
???? No.
I think it is important to differentiate the size of the jig or the size of the swimbait. To say the swimbait catches more fish makes no sense.
Just going by experience and listening to the prosOn 5/8/2012 at 8:14 AM, shimmy said:???? No.
I think it is important to differentiate the size of the jig or the size of the swimbait. To say the swimbait catches more fish makes no sense.
On 5/8/2012 at 12:59 AM, outdoorsman110 said:Swimbaits, you'll get more strikes however all sizes of bass will bite it, 2lb to 8lb. A jig is not a numbers bait, if you're wanting to catch more fish, I'd go with the swimbait, but If you want to catch monster bass, go with the jig. Remember that you won't catch one every cast with the jig.
I would strongly disagree with that statement. This goes without saying, but that is my opinion.
I do want to preface the following statement by saying this is based off what bait the original poster was asking about - 4" hard body swimbaits.
I not consider this a "numbers" bait whatsoever. In my own experience, I use hard body swimbaits when the fish are active and I am looking for a kicker. The spring is a perfect time to throw this bait, along with a jig to get big bites. Granted there are always certain times throughout the year where a particular bait will clean up on the bass, but when I think of baits that are CONSISTANT numbers baits, I think of the following before hard body swimbaits, or swimbaits in general: senkos, ring fries, flick shakes, flukes, etc.
Try this, it has been working for me:
3/8 oz black swimjig with a LFT Live Magic Shad for the trailer.
Thread the Shad on the hook as you would rig a grub, not nose
hooked.
there is always two opinions.On 5/8/2012 at 9:42 PM, Vinny Chase said:I would strongly disagree with that statement. This goes without saying, but that is my opinion.
I do want to preface the following statement by saying this is based off what bait the original poster was asking about - 4" hard body swimbaits.
I not consider this a "numbers" bait whatsoever. In my own experience, I use hard body swimbaits when the fish are active and I am looking for a kicker. The spring is a perfect time to throw this bait, along with a jig to get big bites. Granted there are always certain times throughout the year where a particular bait will clean up on the bass, but when I think of baits that are CONSISTANT numbers baits, I think of the following before hard body swimbaits, or swimbaits in general: senkos, ring fries, flick shakes, flukes, etc.
On 5/8/2012 at 10:53 PM, outdoorsman110 said:there is always two opinions.
But you added in pros, and I don't think any pro would put swimbaits in the catagory of a numbers bait...big fish bait? Yes.
Chad and Denny!!On 5/8/2012 at 11:37 PM, Vinny Chase said:But you added in pros, and I don't think any pro would put swimbaits in the catagory of a numbers bait...big fish bait? Yes.
On 5/9/2012 at 1:20 AM, outdoorsman110 said:Chad and Denny!!
They've never thrown a swimbait though because...well it's not a jig...that's where the confusion is.
Oh... They always say it though.. That's funny..On 5/9/2012 at 1:53 AM, Vinny Chase said:They've never thrown a swimbait though because...well it's not a jig...that's where the confusion is.
arguing with a 16 year old. Won't get anywhere with this one. Plus he did say "pro" so that should have told us we were wrong...
Just wanted to get some clarification for the original poster about what led you to the opinion that swimbaits are a numbers bait.
The consensus is going to be that a jig is more of a consistant numbers bait vs swimbaits, and can catch the big mommas as well.
Excuse me? I was not arguing with Vinny Chase whatsoever. I was clearly wrong on the subject. Although, in MY experience, my statement is true. The fact I mentioned a pro had ABSOULTELY nothing to do with being right. I simply added it into my statement. If you have nothing constructive to say, don't say it.On 5/9/2012 at 2:15 AM, shimmy said:arguing with a 16 year old. Won't get anywhere with this one. Plus he did say "pro" so that should have told us we were wrong...
On 5/9/2012 at 3:19 AM, outdoorsman110 said:Excuse me? I was not arguing with Vinny Chase whatsoever. I was clearly wrong on the subject. Although, in MY experience, my statement is true. The fact I mentioned a pro had ABSOULTELY nothing to do with being right. I simply added it into my statement. If you have nothing constructive to say, don't say it.
You mentioned it to support your firm conviction.
It was constructive, i didn't want someone on a budget reading your post with a desire to catch more fish and go out purchasing a huddleston for numbers. That's all i'll say about it.
Goodnight Irene
Okay man, that's great. I stand by what I said, you have an opinion and so do I.On 5/9/2012 at 6:48 AM, shimmy said:You mentioned it to support your firm conviction.
It was constructive, i didn't want someone on a budget reading your post with a desire to catch more fish and go out purchasing a huddleston for numbers. That's all i'll say about it.
We should really begin at the beginning.
What is your conception of a "jig"?
To my mind at least, a jig is nothing more than a "weighting system".
A jig is the coming together of a sinker and a hook, but is not the "lure" per se.
There are "skirted" jigs, "unskirted" jigs, "weedless" jigs and "non-weedless" jigs.
The sinker part of the jig is available in most any shape desired:
Ballhead, Pillhead, Football, Spire-point, Flat-bottomed, Arkansas (arky), ad nauseam.
The actual lure however is not the jig, but the Trailer &/or Dressing attached to the jig.
That said, I can't compare a "weighting system" to a swimbait which is a "lure",
But on countless occasions I've attached a swimbait to a jig which simply represented my lure choice.
Lure choice is subject to change without notice, and an hour later I might replace the swimbait
with a Rage Lobster. Yet, both lures were attached to the same jig (the same weighting system)
Roger
Try a finnese jig around 1/4oz and a small paca chunk and it can do wonders around stumps. I actually use 1/2oz jigs with a 4-5" plastic swimbaits and it works too.
You can do both. There is no reason you can't get a rod that will work for fliping/pitching and Lighter swimbaits. I have rod that I use for these applications it is a Lamiglas XL735C paired with a currado 300. I run 65lb Izorline and a leader if needed. The heaviest bait I throw on this rod is a 8in triple trout. Handles 6in swimbaits and a few of the 8's. I also use this rod as one of my frog rods. I have other rods for flipping/pitching but this one would definitely work if needed. If you are going to get a BBZ swimbait I would suggest the 6in over the 4in any day.
On 5/9/2012 at 2:37 AM, Vinny Chase said:Just wanted to get some clarification for the original poster about what led you to the opinion that swimbaits are a numbers bait.
The consensus is going to be that a jig is more of a consistant numbers bait vs swimbaits, and can catch the big mommas as well.
This is dead on. I fish swimbaits (big ones) almost 80 percent of the time. When I am not throwing a swimbait I will usually be tossing a jig. No doubt that the jig produces a lot more numbers. With the swimbait the fish will be bigger on average.
To the orginal poster. I would suggest getting a solid MH rod since you might not like fishing with swimbaits. Plus you are only tossing a 4"BBZ which any MH rod will handle. Most people get a dedicated swimbait setup when they want to go bigger (greater than 6")
On 5/7/2012 at 11:28 PM, Joel S said:I'm was looking to try out swimbaits but I'm trying to decide between swimbaits or flipping jigs. Either one I choose I will have to get a new rod and reseller. The lakes I fish have no weeds in them. One has rocks around the edge and the other has stumps in it. My question is which setup should I go for? I've never flipped with anything except a spinning rod. Any advice will help. Thanks. Which setup produces more? I'm wanting to start out with the 4" floating bbz1 shad ifalso i choose swimbaits.
That BBZ looks great in the water but I've never caught the first fish on it.....You don't need a special rod to throw this bait, it's very light. If you go with the Rago , Huddleston, or the Osprey 6" you will want a longer, more stout rod for these. They are substantial enough baits to command a beefier rod. I have the Falcon Elite Tech 7'9 H Swimbait rod and it's perfect. I can also throw C'Rigs and Jigs on it.
Swim bait allows you to cover more water, faster. So in theory, the more casts you make the more fish you have the ability to catch, if the bite is on. I usually start out with a swim bait or spinnerbaits to locate fish and incorporate a jig to focus on better bites.