So I finally set up my baitcaster to a point where I don't backlash very often(Thanks to bass resource forum for the tips). And now I want to focus on getting more distance. I have a pretty beginner setup so I know I won't be able to cast as far as a supertuned $300 reel, but I was wondering how far you can cast a wacky rig senko usually without any wind.
I've been measuring my distance using google maps and I would say I can cast a senko around 25 yds, 70-80 feet usually. I tried an even lighter spinnerbait 3/16 oz and I could cast further, around 30 yds maybe approaching 100 feet(I literally casted to the ground on the other side of the pond). It was weird since this lure is in fact lighter than my previous lure. My rod is 7'1 medium extra fast and rated for 1/4 oz to 3/4 oz so a senko fits that range better than the spinnerbait even. My reel has dual brakes and I've turned the magnetics off completely since they seem useless and I keep 2 pins out of 6 on for the centrifugal brakes.
I heard most people generally cast 30-40 yds on average but honestly I don't know if I could get a senko that far. The tension is as loose as it can be without the spool wobbling, and the only other thing I can do is turn all the brakes completely off, but then I would backlash more frequently. I feel like maybe I have unrealistic expectations...maybe a senko doesn't travel as well as a spinnerbait or such? I know I might be able to get 30-40 with other baits and lots of practice, but even getting 30 with a senko seems like a challenge. Is there something I need to change in my casting motion, because I've tried to cast such that the bait spends a longer time in the air but it doesn't really net me any more distance. Any thoughts?
Are you using a baitcaster with the senko for the sake of using a baitcaster? I like to keep a spinning rod for all my weightless/finesse presentations. If you have one available I would use it as a 2nd rod.
1. Great performance without the hassel of backlashes.
2. I can always have a senko tied on the spinning rod while I use the baitcaster for other things.
If you are really set on using a baitcaster for senkos then you will eventually improve and be able to throw them further. As you upgrade your reels, that will help some too.
2nd - Using a spinning rod for the senkos/light plastic has made a difference for me.
I tried to use the bait caster but it was too much for me.
If you really want to use a baitcaister, you would need to fork up some dough for those that can throw light weight stuff
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If I had to guess I can cast my Senko about 30-40 yrds. I've never really measured but it suits me. I use a black max so moneys doesn't matter! I cast far enough to catch fish so it works for me.
For what its worth I haven't used spinning gear in 3-4 years, with that said thanks to Bassresourse I'm going to this year.
There are several ways to increase casting distance, but 2 ways stand head & shoulders above the rest:
> Greater rod length
> Smaller diameter line (ignore breaking-strength)
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The magnetic brakes on a dual brake reel are not useless. They come into play at the end of your cast, while the centrifugal brakes prevent overrun at the beginning.
I usually have one or two brakes set and only use the mag brakes when wind makes it necessary. How tight you have the spool and line size/type are the other things that have a big impact on distance, along with the size of the Senko. You should be able to throw a 5" Senko farther than you can effectively fish it. Good luck.
I can cast a senko farther than i can set the hook.
With my mod fast medium zx and zillion tws i can cast a senko 50 yards, i can cast a 3/8 ounce tungsten weight about 75
single hand side arm cast, brakes just lower than half off, and keep loosening the tension knob, light feather at cast end, don't whip it too hard
On 4/29/2017 at 10:14 AM, .ghoti. said:I can cast a senko farther than i can set the hook.
Then you should try braid lol
I'm using a baitcaster because I thought a senko was well within range for a baitcaster. I mean I wouldn't really consider it a "light" lure like a finesse worm. FYI I don't really thumb the spool until the very end because it doesn't really fly off the spool. I'm using 20lb power pro super slick braid but I plan on switching to 40lb for better handling and less digging in.
Will that significantly lower my casting distance?
On 4/29/2017 at 10:14 AM, .ghoti. said:I can cast a senko farther than i can set the hook.
Exactly my thoughts.
I can lob a 5" weightless senko a far distance with a baitcaster, even with a MH rod. I feel like with some practice, a senko has enough weight to get some distance on the cast.
Not being a smart butt but my pat(tried,tested, and successful) answer Is I can cast any bait far enough to catch fish. I am greatly of the opinion that casting distance, In the majority of applications, is inconsequential; location and accuracy are far more Important. On the rare occasion that distance Is required I generally adjust accordingly and thumb the spool. If the target Is 40 yards away and you can only cast 35, move 5 yards closer. In my opinion moving five yards closer will not spook the fish.
On 4/29/2017 at 10:55 AM, Jar11591 said:I can lob a 5" weightless senko a far distance with a baitcaster, even with a MH rod. I feel like with some practice, a senko has enough weight to get some distance on the cast.
By practice what exactly do you mean? Are there specific techniques or focus points I should be working on?
A country mile ?
On 4/29/2017 at 11:00 AM, whitwolf said:Not being a smart butt but my pat(tried,tested, and successful) answer Is I can cast any bait far enough to catch fish. I am greatly of the opinion that casting distance, In the majority of applications, is inconsequential; location and accuracy are far more Important. On the rare occasion that distance Is required I generally adjust accordingly and thumb the spool. If the target Is 40 yards away and you can only cast 35, move 5 yards closer. In my opinion moving five yards closer will not spook the fish.
Well I fish ponds from the shore, and its convenient to be able to cast to those spots that you can't walk to. In a boat I wouldn't worry about casting distance as much.
Shak Muscles, give me a brief description on the targets you are trying to reach 40 yards from shore?
On 4/29/2017 at 11:00 AM, Shak Muscles said:By practice what exactly do you mean? Are there specific techniques or focus points I should be working on?
Mainly getting the reel dialed in, and lots of repetition.
On 4/29/2017 at 11:04 AM, whitwolf said:Shak Muscles, give me a brief description on the targets you are trying to reach 40 yards from shore?
Its more that trees/vegetation block me from accessing some areas which I have to cast to from far away, and sometimes they seem like perfect places where bass like to hang out.
On 4/29/2017 at 11:23 AM, Jar11591 said:
Mainly getting the reel dialed in, and lots of repetition.
Do you mean dialed in to the point that I don't need brakes anymore and the lowest tension possible to increase casting distance?
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One time I cast a Senko so far that it circled the earth & hit me in the back of the head.
I hadn't had much luck with Senkos until recently. I'm not much into finesse anyway; but I watched a buddy of mine have great luck over 3 consecutive days, so I decided to dedicate one of my baitcasters to the Senko presentation for a day.
Bad decision. While I had no problems tossing them a good 40yds when they were fresh, I birdnested badly a couple of times when the worm got beat up. Twice the worm broke and fell off the hook mid cast and caused a mess.
So now my spinning rod is my dedicated Senko setup, and the baitcasters go back to cranks/spinners.
893 mbr, 12-15 flouro, and a 200 shimano . Dunno exactly but plenty far. I'm much more accurate with b.c. and cast just as far.
Finesse?
The accepted definition of "finesse" is light lures, a 5" Senko is far from "finesse/light".
If there is a " proverbial" idea lure for casting long distances a Senko is one, streamlined with not much resistance in the air.
Watch Glenn video again!
Long distance casting is rod & technique, your reel on only holding line. Many will argue the need for super high tuned Japanese reels.
Do yourself a favor & Google "American Casting Association", tournament casting. The most popular reel for distance casting are Abu Garcia 6500s.
Watch Glenn's video & learn technique
On 4/29/2017 at 12:45 PM, OCdockskipper said:One time I cast a Senko so far that it circled the earth & hit me in the back of the head.
Did you even bother reeling it in to save your line?
Depends on what size senko too.I can cast a 5 inch quite a bit further than a 4.
I use spinning exclusively with a 4. Anything 5-7 inch I sometimes use casting.
I would say I can cast a 4 with spinning around 125 feet,which is more than enough distance for me.
With spinning ,I can cast a 5 inch another 20 feet or so further.Not so much with casting because I dont use them as much.
I throw my Senko's on a 6' M/L with 15lb braid and a 14 lb flouro leader. I shoot docks for crappie with the same rod in the spring without the flouro. I can throw it far enough that watching the lines for bites becomes very difficult. I rarely feel the bites on my Seko's, I just see the line jump.
On 4/29/2017 at 10:50 PM, Shak Muscles said:Did you even bother reeling it in to save your line?
Worse, after it hit me, it fell into the water & a 28 1/2 lb bass inhaled it. Because of the amount of line out, I didn't get a good hookset and lost her.
On 4/29/2017 at 11:06 AM, Glenn said:
What dis. line do you have on that reel?
Thanks David
Far beyond the fish.....
40 yards is generally fine.
just far enough not to backlash! I too like a spinning rad as a second
Not sure how many people can set the hook 40 to 50 yards out, and expect to boat the fish. That's just a long ways out there, you're not throwing a 10XD. Casting distance doesn't mean squat, unless you're getting those 50 yard fish in the boat, not always likely, oh and I can cast a weightless senko into next week.
It's not how far, it's where.
On 5/2/2017 at 11:22 PM, J Francho said:It's not how far, it's where.
That depends. In open water flats, The farther you can cast, the more water you can cover. Where I fish, the clear water means the farther from your target you can get, the less chance you have of spooking the bass. Positioning the boat too close, even with a perfectly accurate cast, means no hits.
Senko is a do nothing drop bait. It's a spot on the spot tool. If you need to cover more water, then you need a different tool.
I throw a weightless senko on a Duckett Ghost 6'10" M/F casting rod with a Daiwa Tatula CT. Although I am normally pitching to cover, I can cast it plenty far if need be. I think I read they are 5/8oz-ish with a hook.
On 4/30/2017 at 12:49 AM, OCdockskipper said:
Worse, after it hit me, it fell into the water & a 28 1/2 lb bass inhaled it. Because of the amount of line out, I didn't get a good hookset and lost her.
Should have been using braid with a leader, tied with a uni knot
I can typically get a good 5 feet tossing a senko into 100 mph winds.
On 4/29/2017 at 10:14 AM, .ghoti. said:I can cast a senko farther than i can set the hook.
The first time I learned this was very disappointing, the fish that hit my very distant lure right as it hit the water, it looked like someone threw a cinderblock in there.
I have never given senkos much time, but am currently playing with them on an L action casting rod and a small finesse reel. Rather than go for distance, I am working on accuracy, trying to be able to hit a dock piling at 50-60' on every cast. I know I don't have the gear to pull a large fish through much if any cover, so I need to be able to hit spots where I have a clear lane to land a fish.
I have tried to see how far I can fling one, I can get it down to the backing on my spool, so around 40 yards or so. But that is a long bomb cast with the brakes way way looser then I would ever really try to fish it.
On 4/29/2017 at 10:14 AM, .ghoti. said:I can cast a senko farther than i can set the hook.
The first time I learned this was very disappointing, the fish that hit my very distant lure right as it hit the water, it looked like someone threw a cinderblock in there.
I have never given senkos much time, but am currently playing with them on an L action casting rod and a small finesse reel. Rather than go for distance, I am working on accuracy, trying to be able to hit a dock piling at 50-60' on every cast. I know I don't have the gear to pull a large fish through much if any cover, so I need to be able to hit spots where I have a clear lane to land a fish.
I have tried to see how far I can fling one, I can get it down to the backing on my spool, so around 40 yards or so. But that is a long bomb cast with the brakes way way looser then I would ever really try to fish it.
I have put them 15 feet into trees so I suppose I can cast them too far!! But I use a spinning rod most of the time and try to hit a target. Not too concerned about distance.
I can cast them further than I can get a good hookset.
I don't know how far I can cast Senko since I've never tried and don't see if I need to try ever. From bank most of the fish I caught are within 30'. Too long of a distance take too much time to work it back. I'd rather use different lure for long distance.
Shak, trying to determine distance on a body of water is very difficult.
Distance via your estimation can be way off.
I suggest getting one of those laser distance meters and use that device for a more correct estimations.
To answer your question: I have marked off distance by casing in my field and then walking to measure the distance. I forgot what it was as it is not important.
Putting the Senko exactly where you want it is more important.
You don't need a $300 super tuned reel to get distance with a senko. I use primarily $100-160 range Lew's reels and can cast a senko almost to the knot/spool.
On 5/2/2017 at 11:36 PM, J Francho said:Senko is a do nothing drop bait. It's a spot on the spot tool. If you need to cover more water, then you need a different tool.
Exactly. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't even wrap my mind around this question. I don't think I've ever thrown one more than about 30 feet.
You fish something very specific with a Senko. You can cover water with a wacky jig head but that's a different technique.
As far as I need to, I guess?
On 5/3/2017 at 9:09 PM, Mosster47 said:
You fish something very specific with a Senko. You can cover water with a wacky jig head but that's a different technique.
eh, I do sometimes fish a t-rigged senko a bit like a fluke, working it across pads and letting it fall into holes. They are a bit fragile for it though, the stouter stick worms like the Keitech or BioSpawn one's work a lot better for that use.
I fish Senkos — a lot. I have several perfect setups for distance.
I mostly use 6" Senkos. But I have two nearly identical rods/reels. One for 5" and the other for 6".
Kistler Z-bone 7'6" rods (3-power, but one is spiral wrapped, macro guides for the 5" and micro guides for 6"), Lews LITE reels, Seaguar 15-lb Invisx.
I can cast a senko so far that it actually travels back in time and I catch prehistoric fish.