DD22 2024
JustinU1X reply :
Hey guys,
I plan on really focusing on cranking next season. I did a little research and purchased some DD22 in colors to cover all my bases. So far I have Chili Bowl, SX Shad, Chartreuse/Blue, Natural Shad. I think that covers shad/natural imitation, crawfish, and bright colors. I also want to purchase some DD14s and Deep Little Ns.
My Questions:
Q1 - A few colors I noticed that people liked were Black Splat and Lavender Shad. What water clarity and conditions would you fish these colors in?
Q2 - Also, where I fish (Wisconsin) there's a lot of bluegill, what color would you guys recommend for a bluegill imitation? At TW they have a sunfish color that looks like it would work any others you recommend?
Q3 - When would you choose a Deep Little N vs DD14?
Any other sleeper colors you can suggest are appreciated too!
Thanks!
cgolf reply :
I haven't fished the DD 22 much, but have used the deep little N sunfish pattern successfully in clear water and the bull bream in stained water. I did have luck with the chartreuse sexy Shad dd22 cranking clear water. I have also found that fire tiger type patterns seem to work well in WI waters regardless of water clarity, must give a enough of an impression of gills or perch to draw in the bass.
Catt reply :
I've never been one to buy into this premise of using certain colors under certain water clarifies or sky conditions.
To many exceptions to that rule to even slightly consider it to be valid!
fishballer06 reply :
Jelly bean is a great bluegill color.
scaleface reply :
The deeper a crankbait dives the less important color is . Browns turn green , reds turn black...
Catt reply :
On 12/19/2015 at 10:32 PM, scaleface said:The deeper a crankbait dives the less important color is . Browns turn green , reds turn black...
As perceived by human eyes & interpreted by a human mind!
There will be days when color matters & there will be days when color doesn't matter!
scaleface reply :
On 12/19/2015 at 11:02 PM, Catt said:As perceived by human eyes & interpreted by a human mind!
There will be days when color matters & there will be days when color doesn't matter!
Light waves get blocked . There comes a point where that color no longer exist no matter what eyes are used .
Catt reply :
On 12/19/2015 at 11:39 PM, scaleface said:Light waves get blocked . There comes a point where that color no longer exist no matter what eyes are used .
And can prove this because you've seen this through a bass's eyes?
Empirical evidence: based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic!
Theory & logic is not science despite what y'all have been taught in school
scaleface reply :
A red crankbait absorbs all light except red , which makes it appear red . If red light is filtered out before it reaches the lure then it will no longer appear red red . It will appear black , which is not bad . A white crankbait with red bars would be realistic looking at that depth .
scaleface reply :
I will go with science on this subject and it is perfectly logical .
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/red-color.html
scaleface reply :
Tilapia would be a good color for a DD22. It is light with dark bars .
papajoe222 reply :
Question: If light can only penetrate to a certain depth and color perception is indescernable pass that point, why are there fish that live hundreds of feet below the surface so vibrantly colored? I guess the other fish can't see them
scaleface reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 1:03 AM, papajoe222 said:Question: If light can only penetrate to a certain depth and color perception is indescernable pass that point, why are there fish that live hundreds of feet below the surface so vibrantly colored? I guess the other fish can't see them
http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/red-color.html
Catt reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 1:06 AM, scaleface said:http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/red-color.html
Again as seen through human eyes & a human's brain!
JustinU1X reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 1:06 AM, scaleface said:http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/red-color.h
One reason I asked is because I was also looking at Deep Little N's. They get down to about 10-12ft and I thought the color would be more of a factor. For the DD22s I think I'm going to stick with the basic colors I already purchased.
scaleface reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 1:10 AM, Catt said:Again as seen through human eyes & a human's brain!
Stop the presses . Rewrite the science journals . Bass can see what is not there .
JustinU1X reply :
You guys mind if I get some responses before my post gets locked down? lol
Catt reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 1:16 AM, scaleface said:Stop the presses . Rewrite the science journals . Bass can see what is not there .
Where in your link does it say as seen through a bass's eyes?
As for colors for DD22s, They come in dozens of colors cause they all work!
scaleface reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 1:34 AM, Catt said:Where in your link does it say as seen through a bass's eyes?
As for colors for DD22s, They come in dozens of colors cause they all work!
It makes no difference what animals eyes . If a wave length is filtered out then that color will not reach the eye of whatever animal . This is not difficult to understand . If a person doesnt understand it , that ;person is not trying very hard .A bass may see into the ultraviolets and infrareds , but if those wavelegths are filtered out they will not reach a basses eyes . The light " has " to reach the eye to be seen .
wnspain reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 1:34 AM, Catt said:As for colors for DD22s, They come in dozens of colors cause they all work!
and they work because of variable factors not necessarily attributable to color, which most are manufactured to catch the human eye 
K_Mac reply :
I do not want to argue about how bass see, or don't see color. What I do know is that based on empirical evidence sometimes color makes a difference. I also know that based on empirical evidence sometimes it doesn't. With that said, I am not one that carries a dozen colors of every bait. A few variations of shad, bluegill, and crawfish are what I carry in crankbaits. Works for me.
Molay1292 reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 12:20 AM, Catt said:And can prove this because you've seen this through a bass's eyes?
Empirical evidence: based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic!
Theory & logic is not science despite what y'all have been taught in school
So prove him wrong using science, otherwise your argument is as much theory as you claim his to be.
nascar2428 reply :
If you match the forage, the depth doesn't matter. Pick forage colors and you should be fine in my opinion.
cgolf reply :
The reason I try to match the hatch on deep divers is that the baitfish will look the same as the bait at that depth, it may not be the same color as on the surface though, but they should have morphed into the same color at depth
The reason I like fire tiger so much is it has colors that can be found in many northern baitfish and the vertical bars are also present in said baitfish. With quicker moving cranks you just have to get the perceived color right.
Thankfully this isn't a walleye site, go look at the reef runner deep divers and see how color matters when trolling for walleye.
Catt reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 6:22 AM, Molay1292 said:So prove him wrong using science, otherwise your argument is as much theory as you claim his to be.
I just did!
The supplied link is talking about humans!
It's called anthropomorphism, attribution of human motivation, characteristics or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.
Molay1292 reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 7:01 AM, Catt said:I just did!
The supplied link is talking about humans!
It's called anthropomorphism, attribution of human motivation, characteristics or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.
On 12/20/2015 at 12:23 AM, scaleface said:A red crankbait absorbs all light except red , which makes it appear red . If red light is filtered out before it reaches the lure then it will no longer appear red red . It will appear black , which is not bad . A white crankbait with red bars would be realistic looking at that depth .
I guess we are on different wave lengths, I understand what anthropomorphism is, but I don't believe the statement quoted above falls into that category. The statement above is what I was in reference to.
atcoha reply :
um, I use the red craw/shad/bullbream dd22 One of those "should" work...
Catt reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 8:07 AM, Molay1292 said:
I guess we are on different wave lengths, I understand what anthropomorphism is, but I don't believe the statement quoted above falls into that category. The statement above is what I was in reference to.
Oh! Ok! That reference is not as see through human eyes!
Experence/Observation
New Moon (that means no light available)
15-20' of water with 3-7' of Hydrilla
Watermelon seed (black flakes) verses watermelon neon (red flakes)
Why does the neon outproduce the seed if the red appears to the bass as black?
Sam reply :
Justin, don't drive yourself crazy about lure colors, etc. Just purchase what you have confidence and throw it all day long.
As for colors, there are many opinions out there which makes bass fishing so enticing as to which color works best under the conditions of the day and you found it. You keep this information to yourself so you can parlay it when you hit the same water under the same conditions in the future.
Now, for color. We have guys on this forum that swear that color makes a difference. I am one. But, to balance our thoughts we have a Mr. Bob Underwood who did studies on bass behavior before Uncle Homer Circle, Hand Carrol and Glen Lau produced the outstanding Bigmouth trilogy in the 90's. Underwood penned the book, Lunker, which is a great read if you can locate a copy.
The Bigmouth videos debunked some of our early thoughts about bass behavior and raised others. Here are some of Underwood's findings during his studies of our little green monsters that were published in an article by John Mark Warren in a great bass magazine (Winter 2015). You can also find data on Warren at www.fishingwithconfidence.net. Unlike the Stricker's who pawn to their advertisers' products, Warren is totally independent from outside influences.
Please understand that the vast majority of us on the Forum know the following statements about bass are true based on what we encountered while on the water. But Underwood has confirmed this data to support what we have seen and experienced while he was on the water:
Electric motors do not bother bass at all.
Finding Bass in various locations and water temperatures virtually discounted water temperature as a guide for locating bass.
The theory of repeated casting to one spot so as to anger bass into striking is one of the poorest ways to create anger in bass.
The bass will not strike for several days after breaking-off with a lure in its mouth is sheer fallacy.
Light does not bother the eyes of bass.
The size and color of fishing line made no difference in the number of fish taken.
Hook n' Look dispel many fishing beliefs but in a kind and gentle manner.
So don't drive yourself crazy about the color of your bait. Just buy two or three and go out and see what happens. And then post your findings so we can have another wild and crazy thread debunking what you penned!
Good luck and Merry Christmas!
scaleface reply :
On 12/19/2015 at 10:32 PM, scaleface said:The deeper a crankbait dives the less important color is . Browns turn green , reds turn black...
My post did not even suggest that color makes no difference . I stated the deeper the water the less importance .
Reds catch fish in deep water . I caught a lot of 20 foot deep bass on a strawberry Jelly Worm . Caught them on every other color too . They dont become invisible because they quit reflecting light .
This past summer my two biggest bass of the year was night fishing during a full moon on a red crawfish pattern crankbait . Being I had good luck with it I will fish it again at night .
I fished with a local at table Rock lake one night . He gave me some brown worms with red fire tails and said it was the hot bait for night fishing . I didnt have any luck with them and caught fish on straight black that night , but I dont doubt that he has caught a lot of bass on that worm .
scaleface reply :
On 12/19/2015 at 10:32 PM, scaleface said:
If Bass can see UV's then some lures may reflect it at deep depths . I just dont know . Theres not a lot of scientific info out there that I could find .A lot of UV lures have been manufactured hoping that bass can see them better. It could be that a brown worm with red flake reflects UV better than a brown worm with black flake or vice versa .
Cmiller reply :
I don't fish the dd line, but I have had excellent luck with all white bandits, as well as strike king xd series in southern WI.
corn-on-the-rob reply :
Pick about 3 or 4 colors YOU like and think will work. Chances are they will all work pretty well. Also, by limiting yourself to 3 or 4 colors, you can cover a decent spectrum of color and also make choosing/changing colors easier by not having an overwhelming amount to choose from.
With cranks I like a shad, a bluegill, a craw, and an obnoxiously bright color to choose from.
Molay1292 reply :
On 12/20/2015 at 8:25 PM, Catt said:Oh! Ok! That reference is not as see through human eyes!
Experence/Observation
New Moon (that means no light available)
15-20' of water with 3-7' of Hydrilla
Watermelon seed (black flakes) verses watermelon neon (red flakes)
Why does the neon outproduce the seed if the red appears to the bass as black?
Very hard to say why one color out produces the other. In my experience it typically has to do with visibility, the ablility of the fish to see one bait from a greater distance or with better clarity. Color is the reflection of light and water conditions like you mentioned and low light conditions sometimes make it impossible for light to reach an object so it can reflect light and show it's color, when this occurs objects present themselves as a gray scale color. If I had to venture a guess why one bait out produced the other it would be that the gray scale colors that the red and black bait was producing were more visible possibly having more contrast or more closely matched whatever the natural forage was.
Your post made me think about something interesting, everything we know about this world is through human senses.
RB 77 reply :
The old cliché "let them tell you what they want" still holds true to this day. Anyone who has been around the bend a few times knows some days color doesn't mean squat and some days it is of the utmost importance. I use a general guideline of trying to "match the hatch/ forage" and darker baits for darker days/ water and lighter baits for lighter days/ clearer water. Some times this exact premise contradicts itself. Also mentioned previously in this thread, sometimes none of these guidelines matter. Fish what YOU like and see if the fish agree, if not improvise, adapt and overcome!
Catt reply :
On 12/21/2015 at 2:07 AM, Molay1292 said:Very hard to say why one color out produces the other. In my experience it typically has to do with visibility, the ablility of the fish to see one bait from a greater distance or with better clarity. Color is the reflection of light and water conditions like you mentioned and low light conditions sometimes make it impossible for light to reach an object so it can reflect light and show it's color, when this occurs objects present themselves as a gray scale color. If I had to venture a guess why one bait out produced the other it would be that the gray scale colors that the red and black bait was producing were more visible possibly having more contrast or more closely matched whatever the natural forage was.
Your post made me think about something interesting, everything we know about this world is through human senses.
In the observation I listed there was no light present in sky & since the lures (baby brush hogs) were on the bottom in Hydrilla there was no contrast.
Your last statement is my whole point!
Bassguytom reply :
I'm color blind so what appears to be one color to me is a different color to you. My color selection has won me many club tournaments with many club members scratching their heads. Color matters to me but in a completely different way it does to you. I prefer shiny and my results have proven bass do also. So it is possible bass don't see things the same way you do. I know I don't.
chadmack282 reply :
I just want to know how bass perceive my lures color but none of them will tell me.......
Molay1292 reply :
On 12/21/2015 at 8:22 AM, chadmack282 said:I just want to know how bass perceive my lures color but none of them will tell me.......
Sure they do, they're telling you every time you catch one. The question is are you listening.
fisherrw reply :
I like chart sexy shad really good color in stained water
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