Cranking With Braid Hooks? 2024
BasshunterJGH reply :
I'm at Walmart buying some 50 lb power pro for cranking are the stock hooks on my strike king 5xds fine? Do I need to buy heavier wire hooks?
BasshunterJGH reply :
Help I only have a couple minutes to decide!
aavery2 reply :
So your worried about bending out the treble hooks on your crankbaits if using 50lb braided line? I'm thinking this conversation is going to get interesting.
tbone1993 reply :
The hooks will be fine on the 5xd. If anything using braid will pull the bait straight out before you get the hooks in. Just my 2cents.
BasshunterJGH reply :
Idk just something I read on * about switching to braid Matt allen said to step up your hooks to 3x or even 4x trebles.
BasshunterJGH reply :
I'm just gonna stick to the stock trebles for now.
Catch and Grease reply :
I crank with braid, the 5XD hooks will be fine as long as your using the appropriate rod and your drag is set correctly.
bass1980 reply :
I started to crank with braids too. StOCK hook works well. Just don't sweep set so hard I think you should be fine. Maybe back off the drag a tad bit too. However on tournament days I will change the cranks that I feel will work to gama short shank 2
Catch and Grease reply :
When your cranking with braid you need to realize its not gonna take as much force to set the hooks, just sweep the rod and reel just like with mono but a little softer....
Bluebasser86 reply :
I wouldn't use the stock hooks on a Strike King crankbait with mono, let alone braid. I've seen those hooks bend out and big fish swim away way too many times.
Catch and Grease reply :
On 11/30/2014 at 2:46 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I wouldn't use the stock hooks on a Strike King crankbait with mono, let alone braid. I've seen those hooks bend out and big fish swim away way too many times.
Hmm really?? I've always thought SK crankbaits had pretty good stock hook,s, a lot better than some company's like bomber....
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 11/30/2014 at 2:52 PM, Catch and Grease said:Hmm really?? I've always thought SK crankbaits had pretty good stock hook,s, a lot better than some company's like bomber....
I think they've gone to new ones now, but I watched a buddy lose 4 fish over 6 pounds in the same day due to bent hooks on a KVD 1.5 so I wouldn't chance it. I don't fish stock hooks on very many baits anyways though.
warpath58 reply :
If you can afford them the Decoy Quattro X-S21 Hook are the best treble hook I have every used.
JThoms38 reply :
illegal in some states though I believeOn 12/1/2014 at 1:10 AM, warpath58 said:If you can afford them the Decoy Quattro X-S21 Hook are the best treble hook I have every used.
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Decoyhook.jpgAngry John reply :
Most stock hooks suck but i like the originals on the xd baits. There no where near owner st-36 or 41's but those are big money. I have never cranked with that heavy of a braid i use 20 most of the time. You should get a hit and just crank faster. I dont even think you will need a hook set in the classic sense.
smalljaw67 reply :
Why go with 50lb braid when cranking? Especially a 5XD, that will keep you from getting the full depth unless you intend to be grinding it in shallow water. You'll need flipping hooks to replace the trebles because any treble hook that fits that bait, most likely a size #2, is going to bend out with 50lb braid so unless you use a different line you are just wasting money.
BasshunterJGH reply :
Ill be shore fishing so depth is not a problem.On 12/1/2014 at 4:58 AM, smalljaw67 said:Why go with 50lb braid when cranking? Especially a 5XD, that will keep you from getting the full depth unless you intend to be grinding it in shallow water.
BasshunterJGH reply :
I was going to get 40 or even 30 lb but Walmart only had 50 and 20. 20 just seemed a little too light for me.
Sam reply :
If you are still going to use braid on your baitcaster don't forget to put some mono on the spool first and then add the braid on top.
This will stop the braid from slipping when setting your hook.
As for 100% braid with crankbaits - I have never heard of any pros using braid on crankbaits.
You can do so and see what happens but with treble hook baits you want the fish to suck in the bait and then you just swing the rod to your left or right at belt level to set the hook. Braid may pull the bait out of the fish's mouth as mentioned by tbone above.
So do yourself a favor and view bassresource's YouTube video on crankbait fishing and the videos of Ike and KVD plus your favorite pros and read and listen to what they have to say as to how they fish their crankbaits.
Good luck.
bass1980 reply :
On 12/1/2014 at 5:46 AM, BasshunterJGH said:I was going to get 40 or even 30 lb but Walmart only had 50 and 20. 20 just seemed a little too light for me.
You should go 20lb. That is what I use and I love it. There are a few times where I get line digging but it's not that much of an issue. Also you would get longer distance with smaller lines.
gulfcaptain reply :
I would go to Mustad KVD 1X Strong 2X short triple grip hooks. Straightened the stock hooks with 20lb braid. Better question, why are you fishing 5xd's from shore? You want a bigger profile, go with the newer larger 8.0 squarebills.
Catch and Grease reply :
I was so close to ordering a couple 8.0's today but didn't know if my rod would be any good for them... It probably would throw them fine but wouldn't be ideal so I decided to hold off. MH/F 1/4oz - 3/4oz rod
BasshunterJGH reply :
I fish my 5xds in the deepest water possible (near dams, docks, boat ramps) and I do fine. Although I lose a couple 5xds every trip (at least they're pretty cheap!) I'm probably going to make a TW order and get some hooks and maybe an 8.0.On 12/1/2014 at 6:37 AM, gulfcaptain said:I would go to Mustad KVD 1X Strong 2X short triple grip hooks. Straightened the stock hooks with 20lb braid. Better question, why are you fishing 5xd's from shore? You want a bigger profile, go with the newer larger 8.0 squarebills.
BasshunterJGH reply :
Besides casting distance and "invisibility", is there any other advantages to 20 lb? I got 50 because the lakes I fish are very dirty right now, so I'm not worried about fish seeing the line. Plus I don't think it's a problem anyways because its a reaction bait. I snag a lot of trees, stumps, brush, and rocks fishing from shore, it'll be nice to have a little extra strength.On 12/1/2014 at 6:35 AM, bass1980 said:You should go 20lb. That is what I use and I love it. There are a few times where I get line digging but it's not that much of an issue. Also you would get longer distance with smaller lines.
Catch and Grease reply :
gets your bait deeper, but that won't matter much because you said your bank fishing, what will matter is casting distance and I can cast 20lb farther than 50lb.On 12/1/2014 at 9:34 AM, BasshunterJGH said:Besides casting distance and "invisibility", is there any other advantages to 20 lb? I got 50 because the lakes I fish are very dirty right now, so I'm not worried about fish seeing the line. Plus I don't think it's a problem anyways because its a reaction bait. I snag a lot of trees, stumps, brush, and rocks fishing from shore, it'll be nice to have a little extra strength.
Angry John reply :
I dont think i would throw an 8.0 on 20 unless you want to go swimming! Most likely you will be using a heavier set up for that!
smalljaw67 reply :
The thing is, you'll lose a good bit of fish as you'll be pulling the hooks free unless you have a noodle rod. The braid you're getting is Omiflex I take it? If that is the case, it is a little heavier diameter than other braids so now you'll affect the action of the bait as well as risk losing more than the average amount of fish. I guess it seems strange to me since most of my cranks I'm throwing on 10lb to 12lb copolymer line, the exception to that is wake baits and large square bills and they get 15lb. I'm not a person that says something isn't right if I never did it, I use braid for heavy flipping and frogs, that is it but I did try it for most everything with and without leaders, and I used both mono and fluoro, and what I learned was I didn't like the braid for cranking at all, and I was using 30# power pro with a 12lb seaguar invisX leader that was 20" and after losing the first 4 fish I hooked I adjusted and was able to finally land them but the adjustment was going with a 6' leader which made me realize that braid wasn't working for me. You sound as if you want super strong braid to get your bait free should it snag, well that may be even worse because you may end up not being able to pull the bait free or break the line and being on shore doesn't allow you many options. In the end you do what you feel is right for you but realize we are not trying to be critical, just trying to improve your crankbait fishing as we don't know if you ever used that kind of set up with such heavy line before and we want you to know that there are many downsides to using a line that heavy for cranks, good luck.
Comfortably Numb reply :
I use 20# PP braid. If I get snagged, the line will break when I pull before a treble will straighten.
And the whole mono thing with cranks to get some stretch so the fish has time to take it is hooey. Even a person with the fastest reflexes takes at least a second to feel the bite and start pulling. Plenty of time for the fish to get it.
ww2farmer reply :
Stock hooks plain out suck IMHO. I crank with braid,and use the Mustad KVD elite, 1x strong,2x short triple grips. On a 5xd I run a #2 on the front, and a #4 on the back. 50lb is overkill, I do all my cranking (deep, shallow,lipless,etc..)with 20. Throw a fluoro leader on if your in abrasive conditions. This nonsense of "you'll lose fish and pull hooks out if you crank with braid" is just that..... Nonsense. There are just some people who don't know what they are doing and blame the braid because they can't adjust... And there are adjustments to be made. And #1 is stouter hooks.
BasshunterJGH reply :
Well thanks for the replies guys. Looking back, I wish I would've gone with 20 lb, but I'm just going to get new hooks. I've got plenty of mono and flouro leader in case it doesn't work out!
fisherrw reply :
If use 20 for the 5xds but not for the 8.0z
corn-on-the-rob reply :
I think the 30lb would have been a great middle ground.
I throw braid on ALL of my rods and use fluorocarbon leaders except for Jig/frog or any scenario where you don't need it. I have 30lb on all of my gear including spinning except for 50lb on my jig rod and chatter-bait/big spinner-bait rod.
I switched over from all mono to all braid last year and likely won't even change. I know much of fishing is preference/opinion but it often gets muddied because people take their preference to be fact because it works for them. Same as my opinion right now, it works for me so I believe in it, but at the same time some of the opinions of things are because people never adapted or gave up on things too quickly before learning them.
When I fish moving baits with MONO or BRAID nothing changes for me. Just because I have stronger line now doesn't mean I am going to start pulling harder on the fish after I hook them. When I am reeling in a fish on moving baits (unless in heavy cover) I treat my line as if it is 8lb mono that way I never pull too hard against the fish. The only way that changes is if you use braid and start muscling fish in because you know the line is stronger. Treat it like light mono.
Now to the hook set: Once again this never changed for me between the two lines. I never set the hook on moving baits until the fish has about halfway loaded the rod on both types of line. Too many times with this method I have bass hit it it, slightly bends the rod for only a fraction of a second, then comes back and hits it multiple times before it commits. If I set the hook that first time when it only swiped, I likely don't hook the fish and likely ruined the chance for the re-hit. A missed swipe has nothing to do with the type of line, just knowing when to set the hook. If you keep trying to slam hook sets when a fish is just swiping the lure it is easy to say you ripped the hooks out because it didn't stay on.
Now that I know the bass has actually fully hit my bait (rod is halfway loaded), I do a sweep hook set. As vague as this sounds I don't have a one size fits all hook set. Mostly by feel, I pull with a moderate sweep until I feel a solid connection between me and the fish. Now if I feel a solid connection while setting then I continue to rip through my hook set and start pulling the fish through the water by shear force then you might run into bent hooks or losing fish.
If you feel solid resistance against you but you keep powering through the hook set by choice and lose the fish, that is user error not the tool. If the resistance you feel during your hook set would break the mono you would be using, the you changed the method when you changed lines. Obviously mono stretches but the resistance you would feel after it is stretched nearing its breaking strength is the same.
In summary, don't set the hook too soon, pretend any line you are using is 8lb to 10lb breaking strength and treat it that way unless you have to over power a fish quickly out of necessity.Also this is my opinion but I believe there is some merit to it and obviously may not be true in all cases but I do use braid on everything and my hook-up/landing rates have at the least stayed the same if not improved.
Rob
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