I guess every crankbait maker makes their baits in both chrome black and chrome blue. If you have one, do you really need the other?
Not really but I still carry both. Add a gold black and you have one helluva tro!
I personally don't think so - especially if the bass first sees the bait from any angle except from above (and bass have a pretty big blind spot in their downward vision). Even then, does that little bit of color matter? I think it's the flash of the chrome on the side that's getting their attention.
My LMB PB was caught on a blue over chrome lipless crank, but I think I would have had just as good a chance to catch that bass had it been a black over chrome.
I bet you get lots of different opinions on this...
On 3/8/2013 at 12:32 PM, Felix77 said:Not really but I still carry both. Add a gold black and you have one helluva tro!
I have all 3 and don't catch any on them. But if I toss a chartreuse lure....bam. I get bit.
There are hundreds of versions of chartreuse also. On those I just pick the ones I like best. On the chrome I'm leaning towards the blue, I just like it better. Honestly, I figure a lot of times color isn't nearly as important as we think. But sometimes it is. Just wondered how you all went on this particular choice.
I think its probably more of a confidence thing, especially with reaction type baits.
generally chrome blue for sunny days, and chrome black on cloudy days. does not always hold true, but does more times than not.
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I know on the lipless cranks it matters some. Sometimes a bit of blue is all I can get bit on. That said I only have a few of the chrome blue. I get my hits on them swimming the crank and just stopping, letting it drop to the bottom and ripping it straight up. It think in that case the blue comes into play
Yes.
Black back for cloudy days.
Blue back for sunny skies.
For me chrome cranks of any kind = northern pike magnet I honestly think my bass:pike ratio with them is like 1:10 and them bass come from areas with no pike lol.
Iv never noticed a difference in chrome/black or chrome/blue I just grab which ever I see first.
On 3/8/2013 at 2:30 PM, Sam said:Yes.
Black back for cloudy days.
Blue back for sunny skies.
This was my first thought also but didn't know for sure. I just reasoned it but I tend to second guess myself on bait selections a lot.
I understand the logic behind black back on cloudy days and blue back on sunny days...but how does that fit into another color mantra that says you use chrome baits on sunny days and natural or brighter colors (like chartreuse) on cloudy days. Is it "natural" to have that much flash from a chrome bait on cloudy days when there's no sun.....
How much of this is science...and how much is art...and how much is just the bait monkey?
On 3/10/2013 at 2:56 AM, Goose52 said:I understand the logic behind black back on cloudy days and blue back on sunny days...but how does that fit into another color mantra that says you use chrome baits on sunny days and natural or brighter colors (like chartreuse) on cloudy days. Is it "natural" to have that much flash from a chrome bait on cloudy days when there's no sun.....
How much of this is science...and how much is art...and how much is just the bait monkey?
I think it is the bait monkey calling...
I have all three colors, and can't tell any differences.
On 3/10/2013 at 2:56 AM, Goose52 said:I understand the logic behind black back on cloudy days and blue back on sunny days...but how does that fit into another color mantra that says you use chrome baits on sunny days and natural or brighter colors (like chartreuse) on cloudy days. Is it "natural" to have that much flash from a chrome bait on cloudy days when there's no sun.....
How much of this is science...and how much is art...and how much is just the bait monkey?
Is it natural for a crankbait to be swimming around looking like a tropical fish in firetiger colors in eastern KY? Fish still eat 'em, though. Haha. I'd say on a cloudy, gray day there won't be as much flash anyway, at least no more than would come from a live shiner. I'd think the bait would reflect more of its surroundings and actually blend in and appear more dark than flashy.
Chrome blue and gold black.
Well, this 3.6lb fish obviously didn't get the memo. Caught it this evening under a cloudy sky - dark enough for the camera flash to fire. Hard to tell from the glare in the photo but it's blue over chrome. Dang, I should have followed the rules and changed to black over chrome as soon as those clounds rolled in...........
I own both and they both have their times, but I prefer Chrome Blue Traps
On 3/10/2013 at 5:37 AM, The Rooster said:Is it natural for a crankbait to be swimming around looking like a tropical fish in firetiger colors in eastern KY? Fish still eat 'em, though. Haha. I'd say on a cloudy, gray day there won't be as much flash anyway, at least no more than would come from a live shiner. I'd think the bait would reflect more of its surroundings and actually blend in and appear more dark than flashy.
That's what I was thinking too. If it's cloudy then there isn't much flash since no sun....irrelevant on chrome or not since the light source for the flash is so subdued. I always figured the chartruese color in the low light was just to make it easier for the fish to find/target the bait? I'm just learning though so I'm just checking my logic on that reasoning.
Dang - this thread got me all confused. Yesterday afternoon it was PARTLY cloudy. So, blue over chrome? Black over chrome? What to do? So, I gave up on chrome and went with a natural light craw. This 6.08 pound fish went for it....
Science, art, or the bait monkey...
Goose, you're killin' me. I wanna go fishin' sooooo bad!
On 3/8/2013 at 2:22 PM, merc1997 said:generally chrome blue for sunny days, and chrome black on cloudy days. does not always hold true, but does more times than not.
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Ditto
Better get that monkey off your back, Goose!On 3/11/2013 at 8:49 PM, Goose52 said:Dang - this thread got me all confused. Yesterday afternoon it was PARTLY cloudy. So, blue over chrome? Black over chrome? What to do? So, I gave up on chrome and went with a natural light craw. This 6.08 pound fish went for it....
Science, art, or the bait monkey...
I will have to say Goose, you are the king of the lipless crank!
I have never done any good with a chrome/black back bait. Chrome/blue back on the other hand works under almost any condition.
On 3/14/2013 at 6:40 PM, Jigfishn10 said:Better get that monkey off your back, Goose!
I will have to say Goose, you are the king of the lipless crank!
Thanks, but I don't think I'm the king of the lipless crank - I'm sure there's a bunch of anglers on this site that fish them better than me. I DO fish them a lot however. Almost 800 fish over the last 3 seasons, including my 9.54 LBM PB, an 8.39, some 6's, and then 5's and below. Very versatile bait, especially since I fish from the bank more than the boat - you can countdown the bait to whatever depth you want, and there's so many different retrieves.
Below is yesterday's bass - a chunky 20" 4.4 pounder caught from the bank. About a 100 ft cast, let the bait sink to the bottom in about 10 fow, then as soon as I popped the bait off the bottom to start the retrieve...BAM. (BTW - I don't catch fish like I've posted in this thread every day - it's just that time of year when the quality fish are starting to move around.)
On color, I think I'm in the school of thought that 80-90% of the time, color doesn't matter, and the rest of the time, it might be critically important. So, maybe I miss a few fish that I might have got if I kept changing colors. I do tie on different color lipless cranks to roughly match water and ambient lighting conditions..but I don't obsess about it. I tend to leave a color tied on for days...until I lose it on a submerged stump or whatever, then tie on another with a color appropriate to the current conditions....
Also on color, my 9.54 PB was coincidentally caught on a blue over chrome, after sunset, close to full-dark. Dang, had I followed the rules and changed over to black over chrome, perhaps I would have caught a 10-pounder...
What size lipless cranks are you using? You use lipless cranks like I use short arm spinnerbaits. The short arm spinnerbait has caught me my PB to date and like you, it was this time of year - 1 1/2 weeks after ice out for me. For me, it's the most versatile bait I use from shore and one that I have the most confidence in. Jigfishn10 is just a forum handle, but the short arm spinnerbait is a lure I fish a lot.
Nice post Goose!
I use lipless cranks between 1/4 and 3/4 oz, and lately it's been 1/2oz and 5/8oz about 98% of the time. I used to fish 1/4 and 3/8oz more often but went heavier when I started the PQ 5-Year Challenge test. That PQ reel is on a rod that is happiest at 1/2 & 5/8oz so to put a lot of mileage on that PQ for test purposes, I upped the weight on the baits to fit the rod. That cotton-picking PQ test has considerably changed the way I fish.....
I like spinnerbaits as well, but when fishing from the bank, I get more distance out of a lipless crank. Sometimes, the fish are not "here"...they're way out "THERE"! I do fish spinnerbaits when casting distance isn't as important, when I need to slow way down, or I'm over slop that will foul the trebles on the lipless crank.
I think the reason I use the short arm spinnerbait is that, it is more compact and does cast a little further, not quite as far as a lipless, but it does get out there. I keep the skirt count down to about 30 strands which helps in the distance as well. Just confidence is what it comes down to Goose, just confidence.
I wish I could make a trip out to your neck of the woods and fish with ya one day...Good luck this year my freind!
On 3/8/2013 at 12:07 PM, The Rooster said:I guess every crankbait maker makes their baits in both chrome black and chrome blue. If you have one, do you really need the other?
I always use chrome and black on cloudy days and chrome and blue on sunny days. Not saying that's the correct thing to do, but it seems to work. Also if the water is a little dingy, I'll use black and chrome.
On 3/11/2013 at 8:49 PM, Goose52 said:Dang - this thread got me all confused. Yesterday afternoon it was PARTLY cloudy. So, blue over chrome? Black over chrome? What to do? So, I gave up on chrome and went with a natural light craw. This 6.08 pound fish went for it....
Science, art, or the bait monkey...
How you like that H20 lipless you got there? I bought one the other day, but havent used it.
On 3/15/2013 at 3:56 AM, aharris said:How you like that H20 lipless you got there? I bought one the other day, but havent used it.
I bought a 6-pack of them a couple years ago to try - they worked well enough so I've bought quite a few more. The only problem I've had with them is that the line fouls on the hooks during the cast more than any other brand of lipless cranks that I've tried. It helps to stop the spool just before the bait hits the water to pull the line away from the hooks before touchdown. Otherwise, every one I've had in the water (probably about 25 or so) runs true (unlike Red Eye Shads). Academy ran a clearance on these several times at $9.99 and later $8.99 per 6-pack. I've bought about ten 6-packs at those prices. I lose a lot of lipless cranks on the bottom and am always looking for deals. Academy now packages them in a 5-pack, at a much higher price, so I may not be buying any more of these.
I still prefer a Red Eye Shad, but you can't beat getting these H2O baits for around $2.25 or so with tax and shipping included.