Square Bill Newbie 2025
dreamertino reply :
Any advice on them. I have fished traditional crankbaits,what would be the difference? What set up do you use? How do you fish them?
TorqueConverter reply :
Despite what people may think they're not some new thing that came onto the scene in 2005. They're shallow crankbaits. You fish them is shallow water.
Bruce424 reply :
This is probly one of my favorite ways to fish. I use a 2 piece rod I rigged myself it's a graphite bottom half and a fiberglass tip. I use 15 lb mccoy extraclear line. An orra winch baitcaster. I usually fish squarebills around fallen trees and logs and rocks. Try and bump them on the objects.You kinda want to reel these pretty fast. Just throw and crank.
Ozark_Basser reply :
Just make sure they are deflecting off cover or structure and you will get bit.
plumworm reply :
Bandit, had squarebills back in the 90's. The 100 series bandit is a shallow running squarebill. There may have been others that I don't remember.
Ozark_Basser reply :
The only difference is the square bill is better for deflecting off of shallow cover without getting hung as much.
A-Jay reply :
Here is a decent article about the bait.
A-Jay
http://www.insideline.net/index.php/hard-baits/585-understanding-and-using-square-bills
HoosierHawgs reply :
They aren't always shallow. They are called 'Square Bills' to describe the flat shape of the bill, unlike a bait with a rounded bill.On 1/31/2015 at 7:27 AM, TorqueConverter said:Despite what people may think they're not some new thing that came onto the scene in 2005. They're shallow crankbaits. You fish them is shallow water.
rippin-lips reply :
OP - The majority of square bills only go 6ft deep or less. It depends on size,brand,line,ect.They have a squared off bill that makes them deflect off things easily. You can throw them anywhere you'd like. They work the best when being banged of objects like stumps,rocks,ect
I fish mine on a mh/f rod with a 6:x:1 reel. As for line. Take your pick on that. I like to use fluoro or a copoly such as yozuri hybrid.
Blues19 reply :
Like some have said, most are shallow, however the Luck-E-Strike Freak is a Deep Diving Squarebillled crank. They all seem to run different, some with wider wobbles than others. The Bomber Square A is probably my favorite crankbait to fish. I have done really well on them
dreamertino reply :
Atari's 41 have you caught any on the freak
dreamertino reply :
I bought a few of the small bombers its the smaller one of the two I saw. Is that the square A
TorqueConverter reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 10:26 AM, jakob1010 said:They aren't always shallow. They are called 'Square Bills' to describe the flat shape of the bill, unlike a bait with a rounded bill.
Back in the day we called them 'crankbaits'. 90%+ of what we would describe as 'shallow crankbait' also falls under the category of 'squarebill crankbait'. Don't let the name fool you, it's the line tie location, bill length and width that lend the bait its snag resistant capabilities. Shallow cranks with coffin and rounded bills are just as snagless as the squarest of the squarebills provided they have bills as long and as wide. People have been making shallow cranks that we today would call 'squarebills' since Big O in the 60s at least.
Deep squarebills? That's pile of you-know-what. You can square the bill of a deep diving crank all you want but it's not going to endow it with the snagless nature of a shallow crank.
HoosierHawgs reply :
Doesn't make it not a squarebill.... It's like kindergarten Geometry... Every Square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square... There are Shallow baits that are Squarebills... But not every Squarebill is shallow.On 1/31/2015 at 1:07 PM, TorqueConverter said:Back in the day we called them 'crankbaits'. 90%+ of what we would describe as 'shallow crankbait' also falls under the category of 'squarebill crankbait'. Don't let the name fool you, it's the line tie location, bill length and width that lend the bait its snag resistant capabilities. Shallow cranks with coffin and rounded bills are just as snagless as the squarest of the squarebills provided they have bills as long and as wide. People have been making shallow cranks that we today would call 'squarebills' since Big O in the 60s at least.
Deep squarebills? That's pile of you-know-what. You can square the bill of a deep diving crank all you want but it's not going to endow it with the snagless nature of a shallow crank.
TorqueConverter reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 6:05 PM, jakob1010 said:Doesn't make it not a squarebill.... It's like kindergarten Geometry... Every Square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square... There are Shallow baits that are Squarebills... But not every Squarebill is shallow.
Yup. Squarebill is a convenient term.. I used to have a hard time explaining shallow crankbaits that have 2 to 3 inch body with a line tie located in the nose of the bait and small broad bill extending at approximately 45ish degree angle off the body.
The problem is that there is a notion out there that they are something other than shallow cranks and should only be fished in and around cover by bumping the stump. As if somehow they are anything other than shallow cranks and somehow unable to catch fish in the absence of stumps to bump into.
Fishes in trees reply :
The most recent issue of In-fisherman magazine has an in-depth article about shallow cranks in general and square bills in particular. I just got the magazine yesterday, haven't read the article word for word, just kind of looked at the pictures and skimmed a paragraph here and there. Quite a bit of what you need to know about square bills is in that article.
Mass Bassin' reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 7:27 AM, TorqueConverter said:Despite what people may think they're not some new thing that came onto the scene in 2005. They're shallow crankbaits. You fish them is shallow water.
Their not always shallow. skeet Reece makes one that dives to about 15' and I don't rember the brand but their is a deep diving crankbait that dives like 20-25 feet. but yes their USUALLY shallow divers
scaleface reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 7:27 AM, TorqueConverter said:Despite what people may think they're not some new thing that came onto the scene in 2005. They're shallow crankbaits. You fish them is shallow water.
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Action and color can make a difference. I prefer baits that have a tighter action and less water displacement and no rattles. I dont know what baits today fit this but Im sure there are some available. I still have some old lures that produce great.
Which silent square bills being manufactured today , have a tight action?Something less than the The KVD's and RC's .
dreamertino reply :
I seen some of the storm arashi ( I think I'm spelling it right) do you guys have any experience with those?
smalljaw67 reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 11:27 PM, dreamertino said:I seen some of the storm arashi ( I think I'm spelling it right) do you guys have any experience with those?
I have got some Arashi baits in both the 3' version and the 5' version and I really like them but I only have a few hours of fishing time with them. My favorites in the 0-3' depth range are the Bomber Square A in the 3/8oz size, the Rapala DT Fat 3, and DT Fat 1, the Cordell Big-O, and the Manns Baby X. In the 4' + range is the Strike King KVD 1.5 and 2.5, the Rapala DT Flat 7 (coffin bill), and the Manns C4- Elite. I like using a rod rated to 3/4oz or 1oz which usually falls in the MH category but it has to have a moderate fast action, it has to be able to be stout enough to rip the bait off of grass and brush and soft enough to effectively fight the fish once it is hooked.
fisherrw reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 7:27 AM, TorqueConverter said:Despite what people may think they're not some new thing that came onto the scene in 2005. They're shallow crankbaits. You fish them is shallow water.
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dreamertino reply :
Anyone tried the Excalibur xcs 100's
Catch and Grease reply :
On 2/1/2015 at 4:10 AM, dreamertino said:Anyone tried the Excalibur xcs 100's
Yeah, I like them. Pretty durable, good paint, quality hooks, and they run true outta the box.
HoosierHawgs reply :
When your done with it, would you be willing to part with it? (The Magazine)On 1/31/2015 at 9:27 PM, Fishes in trees said:The most recent issue of In-fisherman magazine has an in-depth article about shallow cranks in general and square bills in particular. I just got the magazine yesterday, haven't read the article word for word, just kind of looked at the pictures and skimmed a paragraph here and there. Quite a bit of what you need to know about square bills is in that article.
sprint61 reply :
Get you some Norman fat boys (red ear is my faviorte color) and bang them suckers through some wood and rocks and hold on.
long island basser reply :
[On 2/1/2015 at 4:10 AM, dreamertino said:Anyone tried the Excalibur xcs 100's
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Yeah, I like them. Pretty durable, good paint, quality hooks, and they run true outta the box.
*Hank reply :
For me a 7ft. med. action cranking rod,A 6.4:1 reel, 10-12lb. mono,And lures like spro little john 1/2OZ and strike king kvd squarebills,-
for me thats what i have luck on.
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 2/1/2015 at 6:20 AM, long island basser said:[
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Yeah, I like them. Pretty durable, good paint, quality hooks, and they run true outta the box.
Yes, I'd agree with this. Caught a lot of bass with these.
Bluebasser86 reply :
Get you some H2O squarebills from Academy. $4 every day and on sale for $3 and even less all the time. Great colors, rattling and silent versions, decent hardware, the main squarebill I throw anymore.
TorqueConverter reply :
On 1/31/2015 at 11:27 PM, dreamertino said:I seen some of the storm arashi ( I think I'm spelling it right) do you guys have any experience with those?
Just a little bit. Right of the bat I noticed that they cast very well despite a fixed weight. Even in the heavy winds I fish as a great plains angler they cast really well. They also slice through the water given their ultra thin bills making them effortless to retrieve. Their medium buoyancy (not too much and not too little) paired to the ease of the bait to cut through the water means that in cold water they have a good action at slow speeds. Not my favorite cold water crank but competent none the less. The "tail kicking action" is overstated IMO. The axis of rotation in the wobble is located more towards the center of the bait than other tail kickers that feature an axis near the head that produce tight head movements with a wide tail kick. The flat deeper diver looks real good. It features a weight transfer system. lower buoyancy and has goo aerodynamic properties despite being "flat" because its not really flay but slim. I haven't fished the flat but I hope it compares well to a DT6 but with enough Arashi special sauce to differentiate itself from the DT6. I love DT6s and I'm hoping the Arashi Flat 7 isn't a sex'd up weight transferring, circuit board bill Rapala turd.
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