Bent hook help 2024
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
Ok, so I have a problem I need help. I was using a shakyhead jighead with black trick worm, dobyns 6'6 MH/f with 30lb braid. Fishing about 3ft of water set the hook on a nice fish reeled in 2 scales and a bent hook...
So I had my 7'3 heavy rod I was throwing a swimbait one, pegged a 1/8ounce bullet weight with 3/0 hook. Put another black trick worm on, caught a decent 1.5lb bass. Bent hook...
So I changed hook put a cinnamon/blue flake senko, got a good bite set hook bent hook, no fish. So after getting ticked I grabbed my 6'6 micro magic w/ 15lb big game mono. Tied on same setup, moved down pond, got a good tap, set the hook hard. Rod doubled over, pulled drag (dang nice fish) line got slack.
Reeled in senko, the dang hook was barely exposed. So now I'm kinda mad at the mono for not getting hook through worm. So any advice is greatly appreciated, what am I doing wrong? That was a huge fish and now im second guessing everything
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
So upon talking to friends, maybe it's my quality of hooks? I used Berkeley fusion and mustad KVD ewg 3/0.
Maybe I need to use nothing but trokars? Straight shank stronger? Anybody else have problems with bending hooks or hooksets? I've never had this problem.
flyfisher reply :
bad batch of hooks maybe? I use the berkley fusion hooks and have yet to bend one. As far as shaky heads go, i have bent some those because generally they are a thinner gauge hook. I went down to a MF spinning rod for that type of fishing, make sure my hooks are sharp and do more of a sweep hook set and haven't bent one since.
papajoe222 reply :
First, let me address the poor hook penetration using 15lb. mono. A light wire hook will improve hook penetration as will passing the hook point through the worm and then backing off to texpose it.
As for bent hooks using 30lb braid; a bad batch of hooks is more than likely the reason. There should be no issue with the Mustads. I use them with 30lb and 40lb braid on my MH combos and have yet to bend a hook on the set and I keep my drag set tighter than most guys.
Come to think of it, Mike uses Mustads on many of his jigs and again, I've never bent one, even setting the hook into a stump.
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
After countless YouTube videos. I think the answer to my puzzle is trash my ewg hooks, and swap to straight shank hooks.
And when using t-rig I will be using braid. I'm still thinking about that fish I lost today.
GReb reply :
I don’t know if I’ve ever had a bass bend a 3/0 hook or larger.
If the hook didnt penetrate the senko is it possible the fish just grabbed the end of the bait end of the bait and pulled away from you. If you are both pulling opposite directions on a linear plane the hook might not have the angle to expose itself. Just a thought.
WRB reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 9:19 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said:Ok, so I have a problem I need help. I was using a shakyhead jighead with black trick worm, dobyns 6'6 MH/f with 30lb braid. Fishing about 3ft of water set the hook on a nice fish reeled in 2 scales and a bent hook...
So I had my 7'3 heavy rod I was throwing a swimbait one, pegged a 1/8ounce bullet weight with 3/0 hook. Put another black trick worm on, caught a decent 1.5lb bass. Bent hook...
So I changed hook put a cinnamon/blue flake senko, got a good bite set hook bent hook, no fish. So after getting ticked I grabbed my 6'6 micro magic w/ 15lb big game mono. Tied on same setup, moved down pond, got a good tap, set the hook hard. Rod doubled over, pulled drag (dang nice fish) line got slack.
Reeled in senko, the dang hook was barely exposed. So now I'm kinda mad at the mono for not getting hook through worm. So any advice is greatly appreciated, what am I doing wrong? That was a huge fish and now im second guessing everything
Operator error or very dull hooks.
Tom
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
@GRebNo way fish had it by the tail, I felt the familiar thump, set the hook, and fish went to pulling drag. And I keep a tight drag. The fish pulled till she opened her mouth apparently.
Same pond I caught and released a 11 in and earlier this year guy caught and kept 11.5
@WRBhooks we're plenty sharp. I know it was operator error, that's why I asked what I'm doing wrong.
WRB reply :
What exact hooks are you bending? Bass or any other fish don't have scales in thier mouth.
Tom
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
Gama 3/0 ewg, mustad KVD ewg, and Berkeley fusion ewg. And some shakyhead jig I had. All new.
That's just today's list. It's like this every trip
WRB reply :
Let's start at the beginning and set the hook strength aside. Your rod is a standard MH bass rod and standard type of line 30 lb braid or 12 lb Big Game, you bend hooks outwards spring open the gap.
The hooks are sharp yet don't penetrate through the basses mouth tissuesor penetratecthecsoftvplastic Senko, instead deform.
Explain your hook set technique.
Tom
IgotWood reply :
I use the Gama 1/0 for senkos. They are very light wire, and I have very good success with them. I’m fishing 10lb braid and a flouro leader.
I wouldn’t be so eager to switch hooks! Straight shank hooks are great, but I don’t think swimbaits and senkos belong on them. The baits will swim and/or fall funny. They are not meant for swimming baits.
Everybody has a day like that once in a while. They break our hearts, but they also sharpen us, and keep us coming back. If you could hook that fish again, what would you try to do differently? Get a new pack of hooks and get back out there.
Catt reply :
So let me understand this right
You had a bad batch of
Gamakatsu, Mustad KVD, Berkeley Fusion & some shakyhead jig hooks.
What are the odds ya get bad hooks from 3 or 4 different manufacturers at one time?
Was the hooks like bent sideways? Opened up?
Mobasser reply :
The odds that you would get 3-4 bad batches of hooks from different manufactures is next to impossible. Are you positive the hooks are sharp?
fin reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 1:29 PM, NittyGrittyBoy said:Gama 3/0 ewg, mustad KVD ewg, and Berkeley fusion ewg. And some shakyhead jig I had. All new.
That's just today's list. It's like this every trip
You get bent hooks every trip?
A 1.5# bass bent your 3/0 hook?
You're using 3 different brands of hooks and they're all getting bent?
All that together is pretty hard to believe. The only possibility I can think of is that you're getting wrapped around stumps.
I get that problem like you had with the Senko in the Fall. I think it's just the way they're biting at that time of year. They take it in their lips instead of wolfing it down, and the hook is just at the wrong angle. They've got a good hold on it, but no matter how you try to set the hook, all you do is pull it from their lips.
Troy85 reply :
It may have not even been a bass. A decent size alligator gar will bend a hook pretty easily. Also, their mouth is very bony so thankfully you won't get a good hook set and usually the fish will come unhooked without having to be brought into the boat. Even a big bowfin will bend a hook, I've had them thump my jigs before and when you set the hook you think you're about to break the the state record. Imo, unless you can visually confirm that it was a large bass, you shouldn't lose to much sleep over it.
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
Never caught a gar or mud out of this pond. Yes a 1.5lb bass bent hook.
All the hooks are bending out, opening up. No stumps it's a flat muddy bottom, strewn in a hairlike thick as snot black grass.
It may be hard to believe but I'll post some pictures of all the hooks involved yesterday.
the reel ess reply :
Throw a jig. LOL
I use Gamakatsu whenever I use a T rig. It's the only brand I'll buy so I know that's what's in the box. You're right about the EWG flexing more. Maybe set your drag a little looser when you use one. I really can't set the hook hard enough with spinning gear to bend a quality brand hook out enough to lose a fish. I have lost one before because a Gama hook bent, but not on the set.
lo n slo reply :
i say stick with the big game line and keep working on your hook set. you may miss one every now and then but that’s fishing. at the very least you wont bend out your hooks like it appears the braid is doing.
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
Hook on far left is good hook for reference to the 3 bent hooks on Right
NYWayfarer reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 9:19 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said:Fishing about 3ft of water set the hook on a nice fish reeled in 2 scales and a bent hook...
Tied on same setup, moved down pond, got a good tap, set the hook hard. Rod doubled over, pulled drag (dang nice fish) line got slack.
1st scenario the scales make me think you might have foul hooked something.
2nd scenario seems like a samurai hookset. Biggest enemy of hooks is jaw-jacking hooksets.
scaleface reply :
I have had plenty of solid hook-sets and the fish gets off . It happens . Hooks dont always hook .
fin reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 10:35 PM, NittyGrittyBoy said:Hook on far left is good hook for reference to the 3 bent hooks on Right
What brand are those two in the middle? They've got an unusual neck on them, or are you saying the neck is getting bent like that?
It takes a huge amount of force to bend a hook when it's hooked to something that is not stationary like a fish, unless the line is wrapped around something giving the fish leverage. Shallow water helps, but not that much. A gator, or an otter, a turtle, something that can hold onto the bottom could do it. A 1.5# bass can't do it unless those hooks are made out of aluminum. You could probably pull a riding lawn mower around by a hook without bending it. Now if you yank on it hard and fast enough, you could bend it, but you're talking enough force to maybe break a rod.
Hook2Jaw reply :
It's that Georgia farmboy strength. I have the same problem.
I prescribe one year of not busting firewood, engaging alligators in hand to hand combat, and shooting a 100# draw weight compound bow.
To put more noodle in your 22" pythons, I suggest a diet of white meats. You'll also want to stop drinking a case of Budweiser a day and have one IPA at dinner. Also, grab a winch for your truck so you can stop lugging it out on your shoulder.
We'll cityfy that set yet, @NittyGrittyBoy.
the reel ess reply :
On 12/20/2018 at 2:16 AM, Hook2Jaw said:It's that Georgia farmboy strength. I have the same problem.
I prescribe one year of not busting firewood, engaging alligators in hand to hand combat, and shooting a 100# draw weight compound bow.
To put more noodle in your 22" pythons, I suggest a diet of white meats. You'll also want to stop drinking a case of Budweiser a day and have one IPA at dinner. Also, grab a winch for your truck so you can stop lugging it out on your shoulder.
We'll cityfy that set yet, @NittyGrittyBoy.
How about 2-3 IPAs/day?
LxVE Bassin reply :
U might of foul hooked a carp if there were scales on the hook. I’m curious as to what brand the two middle hooks because they look weird and I have never seen any EWG hooks with such a short neck. It’s hard to believe that a 1.5 pounder would bend those hooks out. I boatflip 3+ pounder with 1/0 g-finesse hooks and with no bending of any sort. Did you buy those hooks yourself or did someone give them to you and told you what brand they were? I hate EWG hooks because I can never get a good hookset with them but to each is own. I recommend using an offset round bend hook if u want to t-rig your senkos.
Hook2Jaw reply :
On 12/20/2018 at 2:21 AM, the reel ess said:How about 2-3 IPAs/day?
I taste pine trees at work all day, hard pass. If you have to go that route, you should remove frogs, punching, and flipping/pitching from your repertoire.
I hope you're familiar with the Ned rig. 
the reel ess reply :
On 12/20/2018 at 2:25 AM, Hook2Jaw said:I taste pine trees at work all day, hard pass. If you have to go that route, you should remove frogs, punching, and flipping/pitching from your repertoire.
I hope you're familiar with the Ned rig.
It's an acquired taste, for sure. I like all sorts of craft beers but, for some reason, IPA's and pale ales are about the only craft beers that stay on the shelf in my small town. I taught myself to like them and now they've ruined me on BMC (Bud-Miller-Coors). The only time I ever drink those anymore is when they're free and they give me hiccups.
BTW, frog and jig are two of my best techniques. But I'd prefer to catch them on topwaters every time out.
Hook2Jaw reply :
On 12/20/2018 at 3:10 AM, the reel ess said:BTW, frog and jig are two of my best techniques. But I'd prefer to catch them on topwaters every time out.
I feel you on the jig and topwater. I haven't had much luck frogging my local PFA, but it's a fun way to catch them.
Anyway, back on topic.
@NittyGrittyBoy, I noticed those hooks are missing the black finish on the point. Did you sharpen them out of the package before they ever touched the water? It could be a bad sharpening job preventing the hook passing plastic and penetrating flesh.
As for the bend towards the eye, I have no idea how that happened. All of my shanks give before I'm able to deform that bend. This is some very weird stuff you've got going on.
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
Those with the weird bend at the top are kvd mustad hooks. Just says 3/0 on package. I'll save my EWG's for flukes and Swimbaits.
I just bought these hooks to try, maybe they'll be stronger than this junk I've been using. And no presharping the hooks. Paint being chipped just means I wrastle with giant bass ????
Hook2Jaw reply :
Wild. I've had no problem with Berkley Fusion hooks, I'm a big fan after wrenching oysters loose from dock pylons while sheepshead fishing.
As for the VMCs, I've had good times with those. Had that very same hook stand up to countless bass, but a 27" redfish didn't bend one after a sustained fight either.
The Owners and Gamakatsu are a bit out of my price range, though! When you putting me on the couch so I can fish SW GA?
WRB reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 10:35 PM, NittyGrittyBoy said:Hook on far left is good hook for reference to the 3 bent hooks on Right
Starting left to righ the larger off set worm hook being 1, then 2, 3, 4 the shakey head jig.
1. Looks new, silver point indicates some corrosion, looks like a Gamakatsu 58413.
2. Light wire off set hook, looks good with thr tip missing plating.
3. Same hook as #2, sprung slightly open, same tip plating issue.
4. Shakey head jig, light wire hook, sprung slightly open.
It's not unusual to spring open the gap of light wire hooks unhooking bass, it is unusual bending the hook gap open on a hook set as it should penetrate the jaw first.
Why the hook points are bright nickel, the black coating is missing indicating corrosive action or being resharpened?
You didn't discribe your hook setting technique so I will suggest how I set lighter wire worm hooks. My method is the reel set and firm rod sweep in lieu of a hard rod cross thier eyes hook set. Sharp hooks penetrate easily and rarely have a bass of any size throw a worm hook. My second hook set technique is a snap set when fishing more verticle. The snap set or whip set a sharp rod set into slightly slack line,this drives the hook point through the jaw and can srping open light wire hooks, don't recommend the snap set unless using larger diameter strong hooks.
Tom
LxVE Bassin reply :
U must set the hook like Fat Cat
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
BOOM! Goes the dynamite haha! When I set the hook, I do mean business.
@Hook2Jawwhen the big girls start to go on the beds I got some ponds I can take you to! Home of leprechaun's and Unicorns.
@WRBfirst hook is fine, the rest are bent out, and the Berkeley fusion must still be on the bank because I couldn't find it. I'm still going to order straight shank hooks to try my local bait store didn't have any. When flipping or t-rig I reel up slack, and give a hard upward motion. Crankbaits, topwater the rest it's a side sweep hookset. My
Ive also always thrown 5/0 as well, it wasn't until I downsized to a 3/0 I started having more bending out problems. And thank you guys for the help and suggestions that's why I joined Bass Resource!
WRB reply :
Take a look at the Greg Hackney vedio on hook setting jigs, this is what I am suggesting when I say reel set and rid sweep. I do this with 5/0 Gamakatsu jig hooks using 10 to 12 lb and FC when casting over 40 to 50 yards catching giant bass.
Boom cross the eyes hook set doesn't put as much hook setting force as the reel,set does.
I am not a fan off off EWG set worm hooks for 2 reasons; the cam over sideways when a bass crunches down on them and the large loop acts like a spring. You can overcome the spring affect by using stronger wire hooks, you can't over come the hook rolling over flat. If you like off sets use the standard round Bend off sets.
So, why are your hook points silver color?
Tom
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
There not that silver to me, probably some corrosion. They are new but probably had moisture in my box. And that tip and in the round bend part chips first.
Only hooks I resharpen are frog hooks, jigs, and the occasional chatterbait. I keep a small wetstone in my box just for that, my grandpa taught me to sharpen my hooks. But worm hooks and trebles are too easy to replace
rtwvumtneer6 reply :
On 12/20/2018 at 1:53 AM, Hank. said:What brand are those two in the middle? They've got an unusual neck on them, or are you saying the neck is getting bent like that?
It takes a huge amount of force to bend a hook when it's hooked to something that is not stationary like a fish, unless the line is wrapped around something giving the fish leverage. Shallow water helps, but not that much. A gator, or an otter, a turtle, something that can hold onto the bottom could do it. A 1.5# bass can't do it unless those hooks are made out of aluminum. You could probably pull a riding lawn mower around by a hook without bending it. Now if you yank on it hard and fast enough, you could bend it, but you're talking enough force to maybe break a rod.
Those two in the middle look like Mustads... correct me if I'm wrong. I tried them, and wasn't a fan of that bend (that's how it's designed) and how it held a plastic. Grip pins aren't bad though.
I played with a few brands last year (gammy, mustad, owner, VMC) and found the most confidence in Trokar. I believe it's the TK120 or "magworm" EWG and I pitch with it on 50# braid. I prefer an EWG over a straight shank flippin hook, but that's a whole different topic. IMO, though, the straight shank is probably a bit stronger (less flex) than a comparable EWG simply by design.
fin reply :
On 12/22/2018 at 12:16 PM, rtwvumtneer6 said:Those two in the middle look like Mustads... correct me if I'm wrong. I tried them, and wasn't a fan of that bend (that's how it's designed) and how it held a plastic. Grip pins aren't bad though.
I think they may be "Mustad Ultra Point Big Mouth Tube Bait Hooks". I went looking for a hook with a bend like that, and that's the only one I found. There may be more though. It may have come from somewhere like Walmart packaged as something else.
I've never tried the grip pins. Looks like they might tear up a worm if you tried to change worms to a different color. I have that trouble with VMC EWG hooks. I'll use a worm several times before throwing it away if I can.
CrankFate reply :
On 12/20/2018 at 3:42 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said:Those with the weird bend at the top are kvd mustad hooks. Just says 3/0 on package. I'll save my EWG's for flukes and Swimbaits.
I just bought these hooks to try, maybe they'll be stronger than this junk I've been using. And no presharping the hooks. Paint being chipped just means I wrastle with giant bass ????
Good move. I consider the hook the most important thing there is. And hooks are extremely likely to be fakes. I don’t trust a hook, no matter how much it cost, unless it came from a reputable dealer or at least says “sold and fulfilled by Amazon.” The same with popular brand fishing lines.
The owners and VMC’s you chose are a great choice. The best place to spend the most money on fishing, IMO, is on hooks.
roadwarrior reply :
On 12/19/2018 at 12:54 PM, GReb said:I don’t know if I’ve ever had a bass bend a 3/0 hook or larger.
Trokar, Gamakatsu, Owner and XPoint penetrate very well and do not bend.
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