St Croix ScII rods vs SCIII rods 2024
SuckAtPhishing reply :
I am looking at getting a new line of rods and I like both the St. Croix Bass X and St Croix Mojo. Is there a real big jump from an scII bass x and scIII mojo, not a lot of info about the bass x? Had a chance to hold one at a local fishing shop and I was impressed on the balance and weight. I have fished mojo's before(last summer), not my own, but wasn't crazy impressed with it. If anyone has any info about any of this let me know. I am kind of torn to which one. Also any other options someone would go with in the same price range and quality like St. Croix?
Thanks.
Taylor
jimf reply :
I own two Mojo's, one of which is made with the scII blank and one made with the III. It's a little hard to compare because they are completely different tapers, but I personally think the current Mojo is a jump worthy of the price. It's the same modulus as used in the pricier Avid.
When you say you fished the Mojo's and weren't overly impressed, which blank?
Other options? Sure, no doubt about it. But for me, and this is purely personal, St. Croix has won me over. My entire lineup is essentially St. Croix, from the Panfish ultralight to the Tournament Legend Bass I just bought today. If you decide to go with the Mojo, I don't think you will regret it.
PatrickKnight reply :
Even though the blank is the same base material comparing the two side by side there is no comparison of the new Mojo to the Avid. That being said the 30 extra is worth it when it comparing the Bass X to the Mojo.
IMO St. Croix got their amazing rep with customer service and the Avid line.
dsqui reply :
Buy a dobyns fury ull be better off...$109 and backed by lifetime warranty
A-Jay reply :
Big St Croix fan myself ~ I fish & enjoy a few rods from several lines.
While in a local tackle shop the other day, I was able to check out the Avid X line. First time I've seen these in person.
Nice subtle build, decent components and it just felt 'right'. (I've always liked a nice cork split grip too).
The price point fits in between the Mojo Bass & the LTB line. (which is by far my favorite)
These are also SCIII blanks and one I'd seriously consider owning.
http://stcroixrods.com/products/freshwater/avid-x
A-Jay
Scrapiron reply :
I've got a Mojo SCII and a couple of SCIII as well as an Avid.
The Avid is worth the extra $- it just feels/fishes that much better. I can tell a little bit of difference between the SCII and SCIII on the Mojos. Would I spend more to get the SCIII? Yes. My father-in-law has a couple of Tidemasters (SCII) and I would say they feel/fish better than my Mojos (they are more $).
Looking back I'd rather have saved up to get to Avid level instead of the Mojos- but the Mojos have caught fish and I've had fun, so there's that.
lmbfisherman reply :
I'd get the Avid, I use to be all St. Croix...and if I was doing it all over again, the Avid line would be my foundation rods (moving baits, bladed baits, top water etc.) and the Extreme/Elite lines would be my bottom contact. I don't like the previous nor the current Mojo line. To be fair though I have only held the current Mojo line and never fished them. Only have experience with the previous version and I found them subpar to other rods in the range. Of course this is all my opinion and experience.
jimf reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 10:46 PM, Scrapiron said:I've got a Mojo SCII and a couple of SCIII as well as an Avid.
The Avid is worth the extra $- it just feels/fishes that much better. I can tell a little bit of difference between the SCII and SCIII on the Mojos. Would I spend more to get the SCIII? Yes. My father-in-law has a couple of Tidemasters (SCII) and I would say they feel/fish better than my Mojos (they are more $).
Looking back I'd rather have saved up to get to Avid level instead of the Mojos- but the Mojos have caught fish and I've had fun, so there's that.
I agree with everything you said. I've have enough rods to cover the situations I come up with, so now when I get a rod it's to replace or upgrade something, and because of that I would much rather wait and save until I had the money for an Avid (well actually now I think I've just raised the bar to the Tournament Legend but same idea).
But having said all of that, really the differences between the rods we are talking about are pretty subtle, and everyone has their budgets. When you get right down to it, the rods being discussed at the 100-140 price point are all pretty nice fishin' sticks.
Dwight Hottle reply :
As a long time St Croix user & fan I have always held the line that the Avid rods (SClll) are the base of their quality products. Any lines below that level are offered only as a price competition to the rest of the market.
lmbfisherman reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 11:15 PM, Dwight Hottle said:As a long time St Croix user & fan I have always held the line that the Avid rods (SClll) are the base of their quality products. Any lines below that level are offered only as a price competition to the rest of the market.
You said it better than I. More to the point. 
SuckAtPhishing reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 11:15 PM, Dwight Hottle said:As a long time St Croix user & fan I have always held the line that the Avid rods (SClll) are the base of their quality products. Any lines below that level are offered only as a price competition to the rest of the market.
I think for the price jump, are they the same blanks? I am talking about the new mojo blanks to the avid x blanks. what is the 70 dollar jump?
ww2farmer reply :
When I fished St Croix rods, I always felt the biggest jump in "feel" and performance was between the SCII and SCIII rods.
The jump from SCIII to SCIV was not as noticable, I have never owned an SCV.
To me the "sweet spot" is the SCIII, combining price and performance, and if/when I get another St Croix, from past exp., I will just go with rods with the SCIII blank.
The new Mojo's with the SCIII blank are on my short list of rods to buy, as I liked the SCII blanked Mojo rods, and figure these new ones could/should be bit better. The new Mojo's are everything I wanted the discontinued Rage line of rods to be....which I had a few of, and was not a fan of a few of the things they did with that series. They lost me as a customer for Legend Tournament Bass rods a few years ago when they went away from the gen 2 LTB's to the current offering as I hate the reel seats they now put on these rods. Besides that, I had a 1/2 dozen gen 1 and gen 2 LTB's, and never saw, (other than looks) or felt they were better performing than less expensive Avid's I had.
Hulkster reply :
QuoteWhen I fished St Croix rods, I always felt the biggest jump in "feel" and performance was between the SCII and SCIII rods.
Agreed. I own both a Premier and an Avid and the difference is substantial. SCIII is the way to go
Poolshark reply :
The new sc111 mojo is a good rod. I own a couple legend tournaments and many from the avid/new mojo lines and they are all good rods. i will always be partial to the avid line of rods because of the clean build but I also want some technique specific stuff that the LTB and new mojo series offer.
With that said I use all of them side by side for different things and they are perform well.
I recently wanted some rods for flipping, pitching and frog fishing and I settled in on the sc111 mojo bass series for all of them. I couldn't be happier that I did. Well balanced, quality build, comfortable handles and cost efficient.
The newer sc111 mojo bass is leaps and bounds better than the old version and to me is worth a few extra dollars.
jimf reply :
Difference betw
On 2/24/2017 at 11:34 PM, SuckAtPhishing said:I think for the price jump, are they the same blanks? I am talking about the new mojo blanks to the avid x blanks. what is the 70 dollar jump?
The biggest functional difference are the guides. Avid X's use micro guides, and I think there is 1-2 more guides on the Avid line than the Mojo. Cork is higher quality on the Avid, it looks to me like the guide wraps are different. And of course the warranty - 5 vs 15 years. I think aesthetically the Avid's look nicer.
Is that worth $70? I don't know, to me it is but I could see the other side too.
Dwight Hottle reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 11:34 PM, SuckAtPhishing said:I think for the price jump, are they the same blanks? I am talking about the new mojo blanks to the avid x blanks. what is the 70 dollar jump?
Don't be afraid to pick up the phone & call St Croix. They will give you an answer regarding the differences. I have called them numerous times to get an explanation to my questions.
lmbfisherman reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 11:34 PM, SuckAtPhishing said:I think for the price jump, are they the same blanks? I am talking about the new mojo blanks to the avid x blanks. what is the 70 dollar jump?
I think one of the major reasons is better quality material and build of the Avid line, plus the Avid was always made in the US. The Mojo I believe is made in Mexico. FYI just because they are the same blanks it doesn't mean they perform the same. It's all about how they build them and other materials. I'm no expert but that is what I understand. All manufacturers do it, when they upgrade they will "market" the next level blanks but the build doesn't make them apples to apples.
Poolshark reply :
On 2/25/2017 at 12:54 AM, lmbfisherman said:I think one of the major reasons is better quality material and build of the Avid line, plus the Avid was always made in the US. The Mojo I believe is made in Mexico. FYI just because they are the same blanks it doesn't mean they perform the same. It's all about how they build them and other materials. I'm no expert but that is what I understand. All manufacturers do it, when they upgrade they will "market" the next level blanks but the build doesn't make them apples to apples.
I have always felt that the avid line and the mojo line despite both having sc111 graphite have different actions and power. My avids definitely are stiffer than my mojos. I'm comparing the 71 mhf mojo to the 7 mhf avid. The mojo definitely has a softer tip.
On 2/25/2017 at 12:42 AM, jimf said:Difference betw
The biggest functional difference are the guides. Avid X's use micro guides, and I think there is 1-2 more guides on the Avid line than the Mojo. Cork is higher quality on the Avid, it looks to me like the guide wraps are different. And of course the warranty - 5 vs 15 years. I think aesthetically the Avid's look nicer.
Is that worth $70? I don't know, to me it is but I could see the other side too.
The warranty is a good point. You get a better warranty with st Croix avid. But my personal problem with a lifetime warranty is every time I damaged I rod, it was my fault. So I never cashed in on it. But maybe the warranty is clue on the disparity in build quality... Guides? Reel seat? Not sure.
PatrickKnight reply :
On 2/25/2017 at 12:54 AM, lmbfisherman said:I think one of the major reasons is better quality material and build of the Avid line, plus the Avid was always made in the US. The Mojo I believe is made in Mexico. FYI just because they are the same blanks it doesn't mean they perform the same. It's all about how they build them and other materials. I'm no expert but that is what I understand. All manufacturers do it, when they upgrade they will "market" the next level blanks but the build doesn't make them apples to apples.
Exactly! Just because they are both made out of SCIII doesn't mean they are the same rod not even close.
offsidewing reply :
Remember, the Ford Mustang 4-Cyl Turbo and the Ford Mustang GT-350R are built on the same blank.
Get the Avid X.
jimf reply :
I just assumed the warranty was a no-fault thing, in other words they will honor it no matter how it happens. I have only once cashed in on a warranty - my wife slammed the truck door on a $600 R.L.Winston fly rod and broke the tip. Accidentally, I think. Sent it in with I think $50, and a couple of weeks later got it back no problem.
I just now read the St. Croix and it clearly says manufacturer defects. Oh well, I'll bet if you sent it in they would either honor it, or fix it for a reasonable fee.
PatrickKnight reply :
On 2/25/2017 at 2:10 AM, jimf said:I just assumed the warranty was a no-fault thing, in other words they will honor it no matter how it happens. I have only once cashed in on a warranty - my wife slammed the truck door on a $600 R.L.Winston fly rod and broke the tip. Accidentally, I think. Sent it in with I think $50, and a couple of weeks later got it back no problem.
I just now read the St. Croix and it clearly says manufacturer defects. Oh well, I'll bet if you sent it in they would either honor it, or fix it for a reasonable fee.
They have a replacement policy just like Dobyns and Phenix. They will replace it for a certain fee based on the model no matter if its your fault or not.
jimf reply :
On 2/25/2017 at 1:26 AM, PatrickKnight said:
Exactly! Just because they are both made out of SCIII doesn't mean they are the same rod not even close.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "close". It's not just that the Mojo and Avid-X are both made out of SCIII, it's that they use the *same* exact blanks. That is my understanding. The reel seat also appears to be exactly the same. What I don't know are the tapers
Guides, cork, finish, wrappings, warranty - all upgrades on the Avid. Tapers? I have no idea. And those things matter in a rod, a rod is not just the blank but the sum of all it's parts.
Turkey sandwich reply :
My .02. Most of my bass rods are St. Croix. I own Premier, Rage, and Avid X rods. The jump from SCII to SCIII is huge. SCIII blanks just feel like a much, much more expensive blank than anything else at the $150-200 price points. I still like and use my Premier for certain things, but the Rage and Avid X lines are just better rods.
As above stated, the other components play a big role, too. Microguides, grips, reel seat, etc all play into how the rod feels. I'd suggest handling both, if possible, but if you do, you'll likely feel a noticeable difference between the current gen Mojo and the Avid X. For $200, I don't know of a better rod made.
As as for warranty and support, regardless of what's in the fine print, St. Croix places the customer experience first and is known for having probably the best customer service in the industry. They don't want you buying one rod and being sorta content, they want you buying nothing but St. Croix by making the entire experience awesome.
webertime reply :
ScIII is just one component in the rod blank... scrim, resin and mandrel all can have dramatic effects on the rod's performance. US St Croix's are totally different rods from the Mexican built ones.
New Mojos are Rages with tweaked components. Bass-x is an old Mojo. St Croix's is just re-marketing their Mexican blanks as totally new products (without the expense of developing new blanks, etc.) Which isn't bad, they aren't terrible blanks, these are also the same blanks Rod Geeks sell.
Avid is not a Mojo
Bass-x is not a Premier
Etc.
J.Bass reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 11:35 AM, jimf said:I own two Mojo's, one of which is made with the scII blank and one made with the III. It's a little hard to compare because they are completely different tapers, but I personally think the current Mojo is a jump worthy of the price. It's the same modulus as used in the pricier Avid.
When you say you fished the Mojo's and weren't overly impressed, which blank?
Other options? Sure, no doubt about it. But for me, and this is purely personal, St. Croix has won me over. My entire lineup is essentially St. Croix, from the Panfish ultralight to the Tournament Legend Bass I just bought today. If you decide to go with the Mojo, I don't think you will regret it.
^^This says it all. You can't go wrong with St. Croix. I also have the panfish rod, mojo bass, avid, and Legend Xtreme. I know the new Mojo Bass are designed with avid components. The rod is definitely upgraded from older model. Though, both the older model and newer model are still great rods to own. If you feel you weren't "satisfied" any Mojo Bass, which I don't know how you couldn't be satisfied... You could upgrade to a higher end St. Croix rod. This wouldn't allow you to be unsatisfied (amazing rods).
On 2/25/2017 at 2:10 AM, jimf said:I just assumed the warranty was a no-fault thing, in other words they will honor it no matter how it happens. I have only once cashed in on a warranty - my wife slammed the truck door on a $600 R.L.Winston fly rod and broke the tip. Accidentally, I think. Sent it in with I think $50, and a couple of weeks later got it back no problem.
I just now read the St. Croix and it clearly says manufacturer defects. Oh well, I'll bet if you sent it in they would either honor it, or fix it for a reasonable fee.
St. Croix has fixed my rods. My Legend Xtreme has a "limited lifetime warranty." Meaning if I give the rod to someone else my warranty ends, otherwise my warranty is as good as I live. That's the benefit of owning a St. Croix rod. The warranty pays for itself.
singlecoil reply :
I was told by St Croix that there is no difference in material of their blanks between the USA blanks and Mexican blanks. Same graphite, same resins, same everything. Just fabricated in different locations. I have 3 Rage rods with SCIII blanks from Mexico and they are all very good sensitive rods that work just fine for me and got great deals on them. Will I feel more bites on a USA SCIII ? I seriously doubt it.
PatrickKnight reply :
On 3/1/2017 at 1:26 AM, singlecoil said:I was told by St Croix that there is no difference in material of their blanks between the USA blanks and Mexican blanks. Same graphite, same resins, same everything. Just fabricated in different locations. I have 3 Rage rods with SCIII blanks from Mexico and they are all very good sensitive rods that work just fine for me and got great deals on them. Will I feel more bites on a USA SCIII ? I seriously doubt it.
Do you think they are charging 70 dollars more for an Avid for no reason? You can build with the same materials but to different standards and come out with a very different product.
Poolshark reply :
On 3/1/2017 at 8:25 AM, PatrickKnight said:
Do you think they are charging 70 dollars more for an Avid for no reason? You can build with the same materials but to different standards and come out with a very different product.
The wage disparity alone between the average American and the average Mexican worker could cover that gap easily. Now... With that said I don't know what st Croix chooses to pay their Mexican staff.... But I can tell you its dirt cheap compared to our standards. I'll bet by doing what they are doing, like many other corporations in the states, not only could retail that much less... But according to OECD statistics, they are increasing the gross margin of the same product considerably.
Ultimately it's our decision to support this. Which is why the mojo bass is such a popular series.
The ACTUAL differences between the mojo and avid are listed on st Croix website. These are the technologies they use in every rod series. A quick look will answer anyone in question.
lmbfisherman reply :
Why would St Croix make the Avid the same level as it's lower series? That makes absolute zero business sense. If that is the case I will never buy an Avid and nor because of the business ethics would I buy a LTB, Elite or Extreme. It means they have been misleading you, the consumer. I highly doubt this claim.
jimf reply :
The Avid uses upgraded components, a better finish, and has a better warranty. Premium cork is expensive, and both the Avid and Avid-X use upgraded cork. In the case of the Avid, it's a full cork grip which will significantly add to the cost of the rod. The Avid-X uses micro-guides.
The blanks are the same, but that doesn't mean the rods are the same. Guides, upgraded cork, wraps .... these things make a difference in the quality of a rod and it's justifiable to charge the customer a few bucks for those.
Whether or not it's worth it - that's a personal choice. But I think to the OP, the fact is that the current line of Mojo's use the same blank that is used on what some consider the entry point of high end stuff.
lmbfisherman reply :
On 3/1/2017 at 11:03 AM, jimf said:The Avid uses upgraded components, a better finish, and has a better warranty. Premium cork is expensive, and both the Avid and Avid-X use upgraded cork. In the case of the Avid, it's a full cork grip which will significantly add to the cost of the rod. The Avid-X uses micro-guides.
The blanks are the same, but that doesn't mean the rods are the same. Guides, upgraded cork, wraps .... these things make a difference in the quality of a rod and it's justifiable to charge the customer a few bucks for those.
Whether or not it's worth it - that's a personal choice. But I think to the OP, the fact is that the current line of Mojo's use the same blank that is used on what some consider the entry point of high end stuff.
I agree, stated this in an earlier post. Not sure if you were directing it at me, but I was responding to singlecoil's post.
Poolshark reply :
For the record, I'm not trashing st Croix. My real point to be specific is.......
The differences listed on the website are as follows
guides-The avid uses fugi alconite, the mojo kigan master
cork- the avid uses select grade, the mojo premium grade and less of it.
Handle- the avid uses ECS or TCS, the mojo ECS casting and DPS spinning
tapers- they are both technique specific but their own tapers
both rods incorporate IPC tooling and have 2 coats of flex coat finish
one assembled in the US, one assembled in Mexico
webertime reply :
On 3/1/2017 at 11:31 AM, Poolshark said:For the record, I'm not trashing st Croix. My real point to be specific is.......
The differences listed on the website are as follows
guides-The avid uses fugi alconite, the mojo kigan master
cork- the avid uses select grade, the mojo premium grade and less of it.
Handle- the avid uses ECS or TCS, the mojo ECS casting and DPS spinning
tapers- they are both technique specific but their own tapers
both rods incorporate IPC tooling and have 2 coats of flex coat finish
one assembled in the US, one assembled in Mexico
IPC tooling is how the material is wrapped around the mandrel (and how the mandrel is designed). That does not mean that they are the same blanks. A The fact that there are no 7'2" US made SCIII blanks is screaming that they are different from the Mexican ones. Wouldn't it be cheaper to have the same blanks across different lines? Why then design one with an extra inch or two? Grab a 7ft mh fast of each and you will see they are different rods altogether.
singlecoil reply :
Hey fellas, all I'm tying to say is the SC III blank whether it's made in Mexico or the USA is a pretty good starting point for a fishing rod. Fish them both at night and I'm absolutely positive they will both work just fine.
skno reply :
Id stick to the avid on up with St. Croix. If you ever want to resell you will see what the better rod is!
hoosierbass07 reply :
I just picked up my second St. Croix rod but my first made in the U.S.A. rod, the Premier, a seven foot casting rod. I've only used it out in the yard and bank fishing yesterday but I have to say I love the feel of that thing and how it casts. Seeing a sticker/print of "made in USA" is sweet too. My ohter St. Croix is a Triumph spinning rod which is a great rod too, but not made in the U.S.A. It's nice having a U.S.A. made rod considering all my other rods are made in China or Mexico.
SuckAtPhishing reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 9:38 PM, dsqui said:Buy a dobyns fury ull be better off...$109 and backed by lifetime warranty
On a drunken whim decided to buy this rod last week... I am pleasantly surprised i like it better then the scIII mojo the wife picked up for me.... looking at a few Sierras and Champion XP to throw in the arsenal... thanks for the suggestion
dsqui reply :
On 3/9/2017 at 11:38 AM, SuckAtPhishing said:
On a drunken whim decided to buy this rod last week... I am pleasantly surprised i like it better then the scIII mojo the wife picked up for me.... looking at a few Sierras and Champion XP to throw in the arsenal... thanks for the suggestion
Gotta love drunk in whims...I only suggested than bc they are what I use and actually switched from "bottom end" st croixs and just feel its a better rod at a better price. They are honestly gonna be hard to beat at that msrp and even there champ series of rods at there msrp
SuckAtPhishing reply :
On 3/9/2017 at 4:55 PM, dsqui said:Gotta love drunk in whims...I only suggested than bc they are what I use and actually switched from "bottom end" st croixs and just feel its a better rod at a better price. They are honestly gonna be hard to beat at that msrp and even there champ series of rods at there msrp
A buddy of mine swears by the champ series and dobyns in general and I can see why... great quality...
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