Spiral Wrapped Rod 2024
G8RBob reply :
I recently acquired an older spiral wrapped rod, which I have come to appreciate. It throws very accurately and with good distance. As it is over 20 years old, it is a bit heavier than today's rods, but still is a good bass fishing rod. Some years ago, these type rods were highly regarded, but have since faded away. I wonder why. Curious.
Sorry about the last photo. It has nothing to do with nothing. Bob
RichF reply :
I had an older Quantum Tour Gary Klein Signature Series rod that was spiral wrapped. It performed fine, I just couldn't get past the look. The guide that stuck out on the side got snagged all time when it went in and out of the rod locker also.
J Francho reply :
They haven't faded away. Any custom builds I have made are always spiral wrapped. You use less guides, and keep the line off the blank.
Angry John reply :
I don't mind either way but the direction of the spiral needs to be correct so you can lay the rod down. In the one pictured it goes on the opposite side of the handle which means there is no way to put the rod down flat. It may be just me but it drives me nuts.
lmbfisherman reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 12:37 AM, Angry John said:I don't mind either way but the direction of the spiral needs to be correct so you can lay the rod down. In the one pictured it goes on the opposite side of the handle which means there is no way to put the rod down flat. It may be just me but it drives me nuts.
Man Angry John, every time I read your posts I see this "Angry" looking person typing all of your responses. Love the profile name!
crypt reply :
I had one of those Bud Erhardt rods years ago. he was doing a demo of them at a show in Orlando and sold a bunch that weekend. broke mine 2 years later and never tried another one. was a nice rod though.
lmbfisherman reply :
As for the spiral wrap, I understand the concept and all...but for me it seems like the benefit really doesn't match the hype. This is just my opinion.
blckshirt98 reply :
I bought a used rod that was custom spiral wrapped and it's great. All else being equal if I had to choose between normal vs spiral I'd go with spiral, though that feature alone wouldn't deter me from buying/using a non-spiral wrapped rod.
NYBasser reply :
Spiral wrapped rods help to prevent the rod from torquing sideways under heavy pressure. Not really necessary for freshwater bass fishing, but I've got a couple spiral wrapped rods for saltwater striped bass and tautog. Certainly helps when you've got a 30+ lb striper digging down...
roadwarrior reply :
Just received two new Rainshadow Eternity built by ghoti. I now have a total of four spiral wraps...
And they do live up to the hype.
J Francho reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 3:36 AM, NYBasser said:Spiral wrapped rods help to prevent the rod from torquing sideways under heavy pressure.
The main advantage for bass rods is less guides. I have a 7'9" custom swimbait rod, with spiral wrapped micros. Comes in under 3.5 oz. and uses around five less guides than similar standard production rods.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Hopefully This spring I'll carve out a few minutes to build a spiral demo stand. You'd be amazed at how little weight it takes to twist the blank. Certainly not insurmountable in bass fishing but 99% of what we discuss is a game of inches. This just one more little tweak we can do. The public at large just can't get past the unconventional look I think is why you don't see production rods done this way.
J Francho reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 4:26 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:The public at large just can't get past the unconventional look I think is why you don't see production rods done this way.
A well known pro that has his own rod company (you figure it out) said just about as much when I talked to him in person. He had prototypes of his entire top line rods with spiral micros, and he didn't think the masses would buy it, though he and a business associate loved the rods.
noway reply :
Spoke with a custom rod builder last summer. Got on talking about spiral guides. His opinion was it was pretty much a fad a few years back. Said he hadn't built one in a while.
kickerfish1 reply :
Not for me either...
Had a chance to cast a few custom builts a well known builder with a website had done. Was not overly wowed by anything about them plus depending upon how the rod is layed down on the deck or stored in a locker it just isn't for me.
WRB reply :
Ken Huddleston swimbait rods come with Roberts wrap (spiral) guide train off the self.
Tom
Jeff H reply :
5 of my customs are spiraled. Wish every rod I have was...
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 4:05 AM, J Francho said:
The main advantage for bass rods is less guides. I have a 7'9" custom swimbait rod, with spiral wrapped micros. Comes in under 3.5 oz. and uses around five less guides than similar standard production rods.
how many guides did you use ??? on my 7'7'' rods i have 11 plus the tip .
that's a super light swimbait rod , what blank ?
fishwizzard reply :
I have gotten a few custom spinning rods from a local builder and he is all about spiral wraps for casting rods. I might get him to build me a BFS rod this summer and let him spiral wrap it. I figure worst case I can have him remove the guides and replaces with conventional ones if I really hate it.
Will I see much if any benefit if my max lure weight is around 5/16oz?
MickD reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 9:47 AM, Big Bait Fishing said:how many guides did you use ??? on my 7'7'' rods i have 11 plus the tip .
that's a super light swimbait rod , what blank ?
You don't get a 7' 9" rod to come in under 3.5 oz just by cutting guides. It takes a very light blank, a very light, most likely skeleton seat, little cork, and yes, small guides. But the micros are so light that whether it has a few more won't affect the weight significantly. I wonder five fewer than what? Spiral usually doesn't result in five fewer.
I have built and used spirals and I personally don't feel the torque that is the most commonly stated reason for spiral (don't feel it on regular rods). I can see it for really heavy duty rods, and the torque has to be a real factor there. But without having a torquing problem, and not liking the looks of the rods, I don't build them any more.
I'm a little stumped by the configuration of the photo rod. Seems like it will cause the line to build up on one side of the reel.
On 2/24/2017 at 10:49 AM, Bunnielab said:I have gotten a few custom spinning rods from a local builder and he is all about spiral wraps for casting rods. I might get him to build me a BFS rod this summer and let him spiral wrap it. I figure worst case I can have him remove the guides and replaces with conventional ones if I really hate it.
Will I see much if any benefit if my max lure weight is around 5/16oz?
No on the torque, not likely on the weight.
BassGirl71 reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 12:44 AM, lmbfisherman said:As for the spiral wrap, I understand the concept and all...but for me it seems like the benefit really doesn't match the hype. This is just my opinion.
I would have to agree. I have a friend that builds them - but I'm not sold on the idea. Also - what about the backbone of the rod? If you have a really hard hook set, it seems to me you'd get the same result as when the rod builder puts the guides on the wrong side of the rod.... usually it'll blow up. Just a thought....
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 10:55 AM, MickD said:
You don't get a 7' 9" rod to come in under 3.5 oz just by cutting guides. It takes a very light blank, a very light, most likely skeleton seat, little cork, and yes, small guides. But the micros are so light that whether it has a few more won't affect the weight significantly. I wonder five fewer than what? Spiral usually doesn't result in five fewer.
I have built and used spirals and I personally don't feel the torque that is the most commonly stated reason for spiral (don't feel it on regular rods). I can see it for really heavy duty rods, and the torque has to be a real factor there. But without having a torquing problem, and not liking the looks of the rods, I don't build them any more.
I'm a little stumped by the configuration of the photo rod. Seems like it will cause the line to build up on one side of the reel.
No on the torque, not likely on the weight.
you have to remember the reel is upside down and you can't see the stripper guide , all my rods are spiral wrapped and the stripper is 0 degrees , i feel offstting the stripper a few degrees is unnessary .
i never heard of less guides for a rod with mico guides compared to a conventional wrap , i prefer a few more micro guides if static testing calls for it . 5 less guides , would like pics and an explanation ..
J Francho reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 9:47 AM, Big Bait Fishing said:how many guides did you use ??? on my 7'7'' rods i have 11 plus the tip .
that's a super light swimbait rod , what blank ?
SC 4C79HF. I'll count them tonight. What's funny, I put an 11 oz. reel on it. Has a nice tip up balance. I didn't build the rod.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 9:42 PM, J Francho said:
SC 4C79HF. I'll count them tonight. What's funny, I put an 11 oz. reel on it. Has a nice tip up balance. I didn't build the rod.
it can't be that blank as the blank it self weighs 3.6 oz.
J Francho reply :
Maybe it was 4.5, then. It's been a long time since it was built. It's the lightest of any of my 7'+ rods.
MickD reply :
I think the BS detectors worked fine.
On 2/24/2017 at 11:34 AM, BassGirl71 said:I would have to agree. I have a friend that builds them - but I'm not sold on the idea. Also - what about the backbone of the rod? If you have a really hard hook set, it seems to me you'd get the same result as when the rod builder puts the guides on the wrong side of the rod.... usually it'll blow up. Just a thought....
Guides on the wrong side of the rod and the rod blows up? Wrong side, as in a spinning rod? The rod will not blow up. There is nothing about a spiral wrapped rod that will cause blank failure. In fact, it may be easier on the blank because the blank will not be forced into a twist by the guides on top.
J Francho reply :
On 2/25/2017 at 3:34 AM, MickD said:I think the BS detectors worked fine.
@MickD Is that insult directed at me?
Anyway, I found the email where I got the "3.5 oz." It indeed was in reference to the blank only, which as @bigfruits pointed out is 3.6. I guess that number stuck in my head all these years. The overall was reported at a little over 5 oz. I don't build rods, but I know why I wanted spiral wrap for this build, which was the original question.
I still owe @bigfruits some info, and I'll be back with the guide count. Maybe I'll try to get a picture up. That rod is in my avatar pic, coincidentally.
BaitFinesse reply :
The Megabas Orochi x4 Seven Eleven I have is spiral wrapped. I'm not sure if the wrap has any merit on the water but it sure does like getting stuck in the rod locker.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 2/25/2017 at 3:40 AM, J Francho said:
@MickD Is that insult directed at me?
Anyway, I found the email where I got the "3.5 oz." It indeed was in reference to the blank only, which as @bigfruits pointed out is 3.6. I guess that number stuck in my head all these years. The overall was reported at a little over 5 oz. I don't build rods, but I know why I wanted spiral wrap for this build, which was the original question.
I still owe @bigfruits some info, and I'll be back with the guide count. Maybe I'll try to get a picture up. That rod is in my avatar pic, coincidentally.
5 oz. for a swimbait rod is light !! my swimbait rod is 8.45 oz. , then again it's for throwing BIG baits ( 5 -15 oz.) and it's a 9 foot rod , spiral wrapped with a Fuji reverse 5.5 stripper guide and 11 size 4 micros plus the tip .
that St. Croix 7'9'' swimbait blank 4C79HF is a pretty versatile blank , i'm thinking of building it as my punch rod .
On 2/24/2017 at 11:34 AM, BassGirl71 said:I would have to agree. I have a friend that builds them - but I'm not sold on the idea. Also - what about the backbone of the rod? If you have a really hard hook set, it seems to me you'd get the same result as when the rod builder puts the guides on the wrong side of the rod.... usually it'll blow up. Just a thought....
building on the opposite side of the spline is NOT gonna cause the rod to blow up , who told you that 
BassGirl71 reply :
Believe what you want. It doesn't hurt my feelings. An improperly built rod is subject to a lot of issues - seems as though there is more of that chance with this type of rod. No one needed to "tell me" that. But thanks for your well thought-out reply.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 2/25/2017 at 10:10 AM, BassGirl71 said:Believe what you want. It doesn't hurt my feelings. An improperly built rod is subject to a lot of issues - seems as though there is more of that chance with this type of rod. No one needed to "tell me" that. But thanks for your well thought-out reply.
wasn't trying to hurt anyone's feelings , sorry you took it that way . spiral wrapped rods take a lot of twisting torque off of a rod blank when the rod is loaded up .therefore it is better for the rod blanks longevity .
On 2/23/2017 at 10:06 PM, RichF said:I had an older Quantum Tour Gary Klein Signature Series rod that was spiral wrapped. It performed fine, I just couldn't get past the look. The guide that stuck out on the side got snagged all time when it went in and out of the rod locker also.
a neoprene rod glove is your friend for spiral wrapped rods !!
MickD reply :
On 2/24/2017 at 11:34 AM, BassGirl71 said:I would have to agree. I have a friend that builds them - but I'm not sold on the idea. Also - what about the backbone of the rod? If you have a really hard hook set, it seems to me you'd get the same result as when the rod builder puts the guides on the wrong side of the rod.... usually it'll blow up. Just a thought....
Guides on the wrong side of the rod and the rod blows up? Wrong side, as in a spinning rod? The rod will not blow up. There is nothing about a spiral wrapped rod that will cause blank failure. In fact, it may be easier on the blank because the blank will not be forced into a twist by the guides on top.
My comment of BS detectors was regarding claims of a 7 ' 9 " rod weighing only 3.5 oz. A few on the forum obviously questioned it, and it was determined to be untrue. So they were right, and the original post, which sounded so confident about this super light rod, the low mass sort of implied because it was spiral wrapped, was proven false. In conclusion, the BS detectors did in fact work. I meant no insult. It should be OK to challenge claims that seem a bit of a stretch.
spoonplugger1 reply :
If you look at the of the rod you'll notice the guides are further apart than on a rod from today that has guides on top, why? Once we've discussed that, we can understand why the spiral wrapped guide system was developed in the late 1890's / early 1900's, and first published about in a book in 1908.
The Next KVD reply :
All but 2 of my baitcasting rods are spiral wrapped. The spiral wrap keeps the line off the blank when fighting a fish especially with a micro guided spiral wrapped rods. I can't stand line rubbing against my blanks especially with braid. The one Duckett rod I got you can tell where the braid has been rubbing against the blank because its green. Just can't stand it.
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