Spinning reels without reverse 2024
Mobasser reply :
I recently looked at a Shimano Nacsi spin reel. I noticed there was no anti reverse switch. I'm wondering what the consensus is on this setup? How many like or don't like it? No ability to backreel. I'm unsure how many other reels are being made this way. I know how to set the drag correctly, that's not an issue.Ive always had spinning reels with an anti reverse switch. For those of you that fish reels like this, any problems? How is this setup working for you? Reel drags have improved greatly through the years. Maybe this is the future? What are your thoughts on this type of spinning reel?
Scott F reply :
All of my spinning reels are and have been the better Quantum’s. A few years ago, they removed the anti reverse switch and I wasn’t pleased. I never back reel, but I do like to back up the lure to attach it to the lure keeper on the rod, or back it up if I mistakenly reel the lure into the top guide. I’ve been using my newer Smoke reels without the switch and have gotten used to pulling against the drag, or opening the bail. Just like when I adjusted to using reels without a “trigger”, I’ve gotten used to no reverse switch.
Log Catcher reply :
I have spinning reels that have the switch but I leave my anti reverse locked in as I have never done any back reeling. It would not bother me if i didn't have the switch.
Stephen B reply :
I think removing it was a good move but that's just my opinion as I don't backreel as I have no need to. I'd guess that only 1 in 25 guys actually backreel. Thus the cost/benefit to have the feature is not worth it for the manufacturers. In addition, the drag systems are very reliable and smooth nowadays. Overall I find the drag system on the reels more effective than back reeling.
A-Jay reply :
I do not back reel while fighting / landing fish but instead rather prefer to utilize the drag.
Properly set (and perhaps even adjusting it during) I'm comfortable & effective with it.
I have & use both type spinning reels (with & without an anti-reverse option).
Have not had an issue either way and do not 'miss it' on the reels that do not have it.
YMMV
A-Jay
Further North reply :
On 6/18/2018 at 1:08 AM, Scott F said:All of my spinning reels are and have been the better Quantum’s. A few years ago, they removed the anti reverse switch and I wasn’t pleased. I never back reel, but I do like to back up the lure to attach it to the lure keeper on the rod, or back it up if I mistakenly reel the lure into the top guide. I’ve been using my newer Smoke reels without the switch and have gotten used to pulling against the drag, or opening the bail. Just like when I adjusted to using reels without a “trigger”, I’ve gotten used to no reverse switch.
Like you, I never back reel.
What I've done to back up the lure is get close, then grab the spool and dial it against the drag until the tension lets the rod tip point straight. Seems better that pulling against the drag (no opportunity to bury the line into the spool) and it's definitely more precise.
Darren. reply :
I understand why some want it/are used to it. They learned it
at some point. I never "got it" and simply have always preferred
to use the drag. And today's reels, at least the ones I've used,
have excellent drags.
tstraub reply :
I think somewhere along the years reel manufacturers decided that most people would rather have instant antireverse. When you have a switch the handle moves backwards at least a little before it engages. A one way roller bearing would be pretty difficult to turn off so you can back crank.
OkobojiEagle reply :
I use light line, thin diameter hooks, quality reels with good drags AND I back-reel large fish. I also have a landing net with me...
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Team9nine reply :
On 6/18/2018 at 5:13 AM, OkobojiEagle said:I use light line, thin diameter hooks, quality reels with good drags AND I back-reel large fish. I also have a landing net with me...
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^^ THIS ^^
I know I wouldn't buy a spinning reel without unless the option by manufacturers simply wasn't there...
Tywithay reply :
I've owned reels that have the switch and I'd have been just as pleased with them if they didn't have the switch. I have never once turned the anti-reverse off and I've caught 20lb+ fish on 6lb line just using the drag properly. I have, however, accidentally hit the switch whilst fighting a fish and have ended up with bloody knuckles from a handle coming backwards at warp speed. They're just another mechanical issue to fail and a spot for possible intrusion. I'd just as soon see them disappear.
Further North reply :
On 6/18/2018 at 5:13 AM, OkobojiEagle said:I use light line, thin diameter hooks, quality reels with good drags AND I back-reel large fish. I also have a landing net with me...
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On 6/18/2018 at 5:31 AM, Team9nine said:^^ THIS ^^
I know I wouldn't buy a spinning reel without unless the option by manufacturers simply wasn't there...
Help me understand, because I don't get this. I am absolutely not being critical, I want to learn if I am missing something.
I get that you like it and use it...and that's awesome...but what does it add for most fisherman, other than a...let's face it...awkward maneuver and a loose cranking handle smacking into your knuckles that can easily result in lost fish?
There isn't a baitcaster on the market that has this feature, and hundreds of thousands of fish, possibly millions of them, are hooked, reeled in, no problem.
I fly fish. A lot. I get what happens when the reel is going the wrong direction and I have to palm the reel...and I'd rather have the drag do the work for me. It's consistent, it doesn't make judgement errors, it doesn't accidentally grab too hard and snap the line or too light and create God's own backlash...
I catch fish that are four feet long and weigh in excess of 25 pounds on fly rigs, so we're stressing the equipment more than 99.999999999% of any bass ever caught will.
Russ E reply :
I would prefer the spinning reels did not have the switch.
Just like on my baitcasters, I rely on the drag.
HookRz reply :
I feel I land bass more quickly by backreeling. Being in control of the fish is a good thing. The fish only goes where you let it. Nobody ever really "got it" in the Southern states where most bassin' was done with baitcasters that left you no choice.
Don't try backreeling Salmon or Steelhead though. You just can't keep up with the silver rockets. Learned the hard way....
NYWayfarer reply :
I can count on my one hand minus 4 fingers the times I used the reverse switch. I wouldn’t miss it.
Todd2 reply :
Different strokes....I set the drag around 3lbs and forget it. Never back reel.
Brad in Texas reply :
Most won't miss the ability to back reel. What, 1 out of 20, 50, maybe 100 anglers use it these days?
And, the Nasci reel is a very good selection in that price range, by the way. I have a few of them, like them. No, I like a Stradic Ci4+ more . . . but they are over 2X more in price.
I just wanted to mention that drag is very effective but generally limited to pulls by the fish straight away from the angler. I assume everyone here knows we use spinning gear much differently than casting gear: the rod loads up and pins the fish to the hook, the fish tires, we reel down on the line during that respite like a tactical tug-of-war and we seamlessly reload our rods. Put that bend back in it. We often repeat this several times to land the fish.
So, with back reeling, if a fish's "vector" is, say, left-to-right or right-to-left and not running straight away from you or straight down deeper, by back reeling you have more options to move/control its head, give it line or turn the fish.
I'm only modestly good at it, would like to perfect back reeling if I had the right conditions to work on it; but, the anglers who've mastered it really impress me. From boxing, they'd be analogous to counter-punchers.
Brad
Gundog reply :
Oh I backreel like a crazy man when I have a big one on. Its the best way to guarantee an easy landing. Even the best drag can't compare to backreeling. You can take more of the strain off your line. Practice is the key to using the backreel to its utmost effectiveness. Practice on the little guys you catch and when you get a monster it will be second nature.
Team9nine reply :
On 6/18/2018 at 7:40 AM, Further North said:Help me understand, because I don't get this. I am absolutely not being critical, I want to learn if I am missing something.
I get that you like it and use it...and that's awesome...but what does it add for most fisherman, other than a...let's face it...awkward maneuver and a loose cranking handle smacking into your knuckles that can easily result in lost fish?
There isn't a baitcaster on the market that has this feature, and hundreds of thousands of fish, possibly millions of them, are hooked, reeled in, no problem.
I fly fish. A lot. I get what happens when the reel is going the wrong direction and I have to palm the reel...and I'd rather have the drag do the work for me. It's consistent, it doesn't make judgement errors, it doesn't accidentally grab too hard and snap the line or too light and create God's own backlash...
I catch fish that are four feet long and weigh in excess of 25 pounds on fly rigs, so we're stressing the equipment more than 99.999999999% of any bass ever caught will.
On 6/18/2018 at 8:00 AM, HookRz said:I feel I land bass more quickly by backreeling. Being in control of the fish is a good thing. The fish only goes where you let it. Nobody ever really "got it" in the Southern states where most bassin' was done with baitcasters that left you no choice.
On 6/18/2018 at 8:40 AM, Brad in Texas said:I just wanted to mention that drag is very effective but generally limited to pulls by the fish straight away from the angler. I assume everyone here knows we use spinning gear much differently than casting gear: the rod loads up and pins the fish to the hook, the fish tires, we reel down on the line during that respite like a tactical tug-of-war and we seamlessly reload our rods. Put that bend back in it. We often repeat this several times to land the fish.
So, with back reeling, if a fish's "vector" is, say, left-to-right or right-to-left and not running straight away from you or straight down deeper, by back reeling you have more options to move/control its head, give it line or turn the fish.
I'm only modestly good at it, would like to perfect back reeling if I had the right conditions to work on it; but, the anglers who've mastered it really impress me. From boxing, they'd be analogous to counter-punchers.
On 6/18/2018 at 9:10 AM, Gundog said:Oh I backreel like a crazy man when I have a big one on. Its the best way to guarantee an easy landing. Even the best drag can't compare to backreeling. You can take more of the strain off your line. Practice is the key to using the backreel to its utmost effectiveness. Practice on the little guys you catch and when you get a monster it will be second nature.
These guys pretty much summed up the majority of the reasons. A couple things I will add. On baitcasters, I'd actually disagree to a point as baitcasters have thumb bars, and a good "thumbarrer" is the equivalent of back reeling, IMO. I do it rather frequently with fish on baitcasters.
The other point is that I don't like leaving line strength on the table. So if I set my spinning reel with 8 or 10 lb. line at 2.5 to 3 lbs of drag, it's a pretty decent amount of pressure (try dead weight lifting, equivalent to the way most guys fight fish), but the line has several more pounds of force it can handle (5-7 lbs or more in this example) before breaking. Problem is, every time you get to 2.5 or 3 lbs., your drag starts slipping or screaming, and the only control you have left is to put your hand on the spool to try and apply more pressure. I'd rather control all that through the reel handle and the position of my rod, and if I need to apply 5-lb. or 7lb. of force to stop or turn a fish, I can.
I get that we're in the vast minority these days, and it's not something I'd recommend to everyone, but it's the way I like to play this game, so for me, I'll keep buying reels with the switch until I can't.
Further North reply :
On 6/18/2018 at 9:22 AM, Team9nine said:
These guys pretty much summed up the majority of the reasons. A couple things I will add. On baitcasters, I'd actually disagree to a point as baitcasters have thumb bars, and a good "thumbarrer" is the equivalent of back reeling, IMO. I do it rather frequently with fish on baitcasters.
The other point is that I don't like leaving line strength on the table. So if I set my spinning reel with 8 or 10 lb. line at 2.5 to 3 lbs of drag, it's a pretty decent amount of pressure (try dead weight lifting, equivalent to the way most guys fight fish), but the line has several more pounds of force it can handle (5-7 lbs or more in this example) before breaking. Problem is, every time you get to 2.5 or 3 lbs., your drag starts slipping or screaming, and the only control you have left is to put your hand on the spool to try and apply more pressure. I'd rather control all that through the reel handle and the position of my rod, and if I need to apply 5-lb. or 7lb. of force to stop or turn a fish, I can.
I get that we're in the vast minority these days, and it's not something I'd recommend to everyone, but it's the way I like to play this game, so for me, I'll keep buying reels with the switch until I can't.
Thank you, I appreciate that.
Question: I use braid on my spinning rigs, at least 20# and usually 30#...does what you said about not leaving line strength on the table still apply?
Mobasser reply :
Ill always prefer to backreel. With spin gear and 6 or 8 lbs line, I can set my drag where it gives slightly on the hookset, and then backreel to play the fish. I started on this 30 yrs ago, after reading about Charlie Brewer, Billy Westmoreland and other light tackle guys. Drags are very good these days, but it gives me more control. It is "old school" but still works for me. I could probably get used to that nacsi reel - it was nice. But for now , Ill pick one with an anti reverse switch.
Team9nine reply :
On 6/18/2018 at 9:26 AM, Further North said:Thank you, I appreciate that.
Question: I use braid on my spinning rigs, at least 20# and usually 30#...does what you said about not leaving line strength on the table still apply?
I rarely use straight braid, almost always with a leader. I also never throw more than 10lb. braid on my spinning outfits. As such, for me, it always applies. Most rods can handle 20 lbs of force before approaching a breaking point, though most people and reels probably couldn't - lol. I would say some practicality comes into play at those line strengths and it doesn't matter much. Backreeling has always seemed to be a domain of light line/finesse anglers, or old-timers who grew up with questionable drag systems.
Further North reply :
On 6/18/2018 at 9:48 AM, Team9nine said:I rarely use straight braid, almost always with a leader. I also never throw more than 10lb. braid on my spinning outfits. As such, for me, it always applies. Most rods can handle 20 lbs of force before approaching a breaking point, though most people and reels probably couldn't - lol. I would say some practicality comes into play at those line strengths and it doesn't matter much. Backreeling has always seemed to be a domain of light line/finesse anglers, or old-timers who grew up with questionable drag systems.
Thanks again. Added to my "database" for consideration and pondering.
Gundog reply :
On 6/18/2018 at 9:48 AM, Team9nine said:or EXPERIENCE AND WISE ANGLERS who grew up with questionable drag systems.
Fixed that for ya ????
Mobasser reply :
Well said Gundog and Team9nine.
Yumeya reply :
Never back reel, never needed to due to excellent drags offered.
Brad in Texas reply :
It looks like the thread here has pretty much run its course; but, I wanted to add something that I don't think has been mentioned.
When you flip over to activate back reeling, your drag system is still operable . . . nothing changes there. So, if a fish takes off, the drag will operate just fine. The back reeling, or letting out additional line just allows the angler to add onto this.
Not that a whole lot of us don't make minor adjustments to our drags "mid-fight" as sometimes the size of a fish or its power dictates some adjustment. Easy to do. I bet all of do this since most drag dials are so convenient.
Anyway, it wasn't clear to me whether non-users of back-reeling might think that in that mode, the handle and line are "fixed." That is, the line movement is 1 to 1 with us turning the handle. Of course, the issue is we could never back reel fast enough to keep up with, say, a small mouth bass that has seen the boat and takes off. We'd certainly lose fish that way, else have to let loose of our handles and get one heck of a mess of line knotted up.
So, back reeling is both supplemental to line going out via drag; and, it can let line out preemptively . . . before the drag kicks in for things like giving a fish some room to turn, to take pressure off of it but not too much where the rod would unload.
Brad
J Francho reply :
The few people that I know that back reel with success lock the drag down at max.
OkobojiEagle reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 2:47 AM, J Francho said:The few people that I know that back reel with success lock the drag down at max.
That's a prescription for tearing a hook free from the bass' flesh.
Back reeling is just a technique to better control the bass' attempt to free itself. Its not "cult-ish", just less understood over time. Today anglers choose to increase the power of their equipment instead of playing a fish.
When I was in high school I had a manual transmission in my car that allowed me better control of the vehicle in less than perfect conditions. I really liked that car, but I don't think I'd enjoy driving a Peterbuilt around today...
oe
Brad in Texas reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 4:33 AM, OkobojiEagle said:That's a prescription for tearing a hook free from the bass' flesh.
Back reeling is just a technique to better control the bass' attempt to free itself. Its not "cult-ish", just less understood over time. Today anglers choose to increase the power of their equipment instead of playing a fish.
When I was in high school I had a manual transmission in my car that allowed me better control of the vehicle in less than perfect conditions. I really liked that car, but I don't think I'd enjoy driving a Peterbuilt around today...
oe
Agreed. Tightening down the drag on my Stradic Ci4+ 2500 would put the drag setting at 14 lbs. as I recall. And, with 8 lbs. leader tied to 10 lbs. braid, if I had a large bass make a sprint, assuming the drag was accurate and not giving in, I'd have to "back reel" off line and it just wouldn't be even a fraction of the amount I'd need to let out to keep the pressure off the 8 lbs. leader. Those runs happen so fast, so violent.
But, I don't doubt for a minute that people do it, as J Francho mentions, especially those with weak drag systems.
Ideally, though, no, that is not the intended technique, at least not the text book version of it.
*** I am reminded of flying kites as a kid way up on windy days where we'd let a whole lot of line out sort of controlling it (like a drag), then a huge gust of wind would grab the kite and we'd let the line spool spin through our fingers, else the kite would break off.
Brad
Further North reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 6:36 AM, Brad in Texas said:*** I am reminded of flying kites as a kid way up on windy days where we'd let a whole lot of line out sort of controlling it (like a drag), then a huge gust of wind would grab the kite and we'd let the line spool spin through our fingers, else the kite would break off.
I used to fly kites off fishing rods...
PatrickKnight reply :
My Daiwa's have it my Shimano's don't. I don't care either way because I rely 100% of my drag to fight a fish, that being said it is nice to be able to use it to let some line out vs having to open the bail.
I would rather have it gone to help keep water out but then again I wish all my spinners had only manual bail trips. Cant please everyone.
J Francho reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 4:33 AM, OkobojiEagle said:That's a prescription for tearing a hook free from the bass' flesh.
Doesn't seem to hurt Rich Zaleski's success, but yeah - that's why I recommend new anglers set up their drag properly, and rely on it. I have watched video of him doing the back reeling thing. Wat I noticed is he isn't tugging on the fish as hard as most everyone else does. It's just calm, and easy convincing the fish back to the boat. It looks a lot like how I'd play a fish when I know it's barely hooked with a treble hook bait.
NYWayfarer reply :
I give you guys that back reel a lot of credit and respect. Anytime I have attempted it I got line underneath my spool somehow. Results are lost fish and having to take the reel apart to untangle everything.
OkobojiEagle reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 9:02 PM, J Francho said:Doesn't seem to hurt Rich Zaleski's success,... It's just calm, and easy convincing the fish back to the boat.
On 6/19/2018 at 10:00 PM, NYWayfarer said:Anytime I have attempted it I got line underneath my spool somehow. Results are lost fish and having to take the reel apart to untangle everything.
I can't visualize how that's happening, because I know you're keeping constant tension on the line with a slight bow in the rod.
oe
HookRz reply :
I set my drag at a "disaster" setting. Very high. A lot of guys don't realize that the angle you hold the rod affects the drag...lower the rod the drag slips more easily. So when I hear drag I lower the rod tip to allow the drag to slip while I flip the AR switch. From then on I'm in control, not the fish.
Just as an aside you would be surprised how many fish up to 3# you can land with 8# leader on a med-light rod without ever giving an inch of line. Sometimes I think we worry about breakoffs too much, especially when it comes to Largemouth. In bass fishing its usually the cover that breaks the line, not the fish.
Mobasser reply :
As these " backreelers" have said, practice on smaller fish, to get the hang of this.After all these years its become automatic for me. I'm sure its not for everyone, but Ill fish like this as long as I can.Many will crank the drag down all the way. I like to set my drag to give a little on a sweeping hookset. The reverse is off at all times. Sweep the hook to set. Within 2-3 seconds you'll know if its a large fish or a smaller one. Either way- backreel from the on. This combined with a med- med light spin rod to help cushion 6lb line is how I learned. I love it. Backreeled a chunk 4 ponder at sunup fathers day morning, on a roboworm split shot rig.
NYWayfarer reply :
On 6/19/2018 at 10:30 PM, OkobojiEagle said:
I can't visualize how that's happening, because I know you're keeping constant tension on the line with a slight bow in the rod.
oe
Thanks. That's the answer as I was not keeping constant tension.
Further North reply :
Good stuff folks, thanks!
Mobasser reply :
I might add, use the best hooks possible. Good quality line of your choice and a quick reeling sweeping hookset. Good luck!
Pearle reply :
Why I like reels with ability to switch:
- when casting you can get the line lined up perfectly with your finger that holds the line until releasing it. This makes a difference; sometimes using heavier lures and flexible tip rods the bail will slam shut when anti-reverse is on and it's not lined up properly.
- When hooking lure to holder at base of the rod.
- I use mostly light rods/line (mono). When you set the hook on a long cast you want the drag set to not give line as the line stretches and it will take more force to break it and set the hook well. That same amount of force when a fish is pulling at the boat may break the line because there's not as much stretch. That's why I back reel at the boat for big runs. I set the drag tighter because I know I can backreel at the boat.
- When casting I like about 18 inches of line or so, depends on the lure, off the tip of the rod for best casting. If I reel too much in I just reflexive back reel a bit...
If you're using no stretch line the issue of the hookset force far out vs by the boat's a non issue. But - I've caught 45-50 inch muskies on a zara spook on a long cast shortly after hitting the water with 6 and 8lb mono. Works for me. Don't like using the braided because I get fewer twists in the line with topwater and I can respook for $4 when I need to...
Yes it's to each their own but this made me switch from Shimano Stradic's to Abu Revo's.
Edited by PearleApparently mistyped and used profanity
WRB reply :
Set and trust your drag. Bass anglers tend to set drags too high, the "lock it down" mind set. If you ever fish for really fast swimming big strong fish you would learn to use and trust a reels drag system. Lot of engineering goes into todays highly effective drags to reduce over heating and smooth pressure.
If you lock down or leave tightened a spinning or bait casting reel drag components take a set and damage results, the drag becomes unreliable and jerky. Try locking down down a drag on powerful fish like tuna or any salt water Jack family, if the line doesn't break your rod will. Try back reeling on a fast big fish it will rip the handle out of your hand.
I don't back reel, never have. Set the drag at 1/3rd the mono/FC line break strength and use your finger tip on the spinning reel spool to add any extra drag that may be needed. I have caught LMB over 10 lbs using 6 lb line with spinning reels without back reeling.
Tom
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