New horror, how to prevent line twist on spinning rod? 2024
Ksam1234 reply :
Went out today and had to cut off so much like bc of line twist and no idea how to fix it. Any thoughts while I’m on the water would rly help! Thank you.
Russ E reply :
if you are in a boat let the line out behind the boat and idle in a straight line for a while. it will remove most of the twist..
stepup reply :
Braid with a fluoro leader is the answer you are looking for. Also close the bail by hand will help alot. I can fish mono on a spinning reel you just really have to pay attention when you are putting it on there.
flyfisher reply :
Use braid, problem solved. Closing the bail manually and using KVD line conditioner will also help for non braid applications or at least it has for me. You may have also overfilled the spool which can leave wraps loose and start wind knots aka the backlash of spinning rods.
NHBull reply :
If spooled properly, the only way to get rid of twist is letting it out while trolling with no lure attached.
Close the bail by hand
Look at going braid to leader, or braid only.
MIbassyaker reply :
There is no way to prevent line twist on spinning reels -- with the lure stationary (not rotating), one additional full twist will be put into the line every time the bail goes around as you reel. The more reeling you do, the more twist there will be.
You can do some things to make twist more manageable, however:
--Lower diameter line accommodates twist better than high-diameter line. For mono/copoly/Fluoro don't go above 8#. In most cases, 6# is better.
--Always close the bail by hand and give the line a pull to remove any loops before reeling.
--Line can be untwisted by letting out a length of it (with a free end -- nothing tied on) behind the boat/craft and dragging it through the water for a little while, then reeling it back up.
--Braid remains easy-going while twisted, so switching to braid eliminates most twist problems, at least for a while (but you do have to watch out for wind-knots)
I am actually not convinced that direction you spool line onto the reel has much effect on line twist. Probably some. But even if you spool it correctly, after making several casts and reeling back in, you will already have put more twist in the line just by reeling than you would have by spooling the "wrong way".
MickD reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 1:31 AM, MIbassyaker said:one additional full twist will be put into the line every time the bail goes around as you reel. The more reeling you do, the more twist there will be.
Yes, but for every loop of line that goes out with the cast, or by letting the bail move as in letting line out while trolling or back reeling when fighting a fish, a full twist will be taken out.
If you reel while the spool is moving, as with a fish taking drag, that will put lots of twist on fast. Even if you don't reel while a fish it taking drag, it will put twist on because the bail is not moving but the spool is. My first example is the worst, of course.
Using spinners like in-line spinners will twist the line , even if swivels are used. Regular swivels, IMHO, do not prevent line twist. I even doubt if ball bearing swivels, except for the very finest (and really expensive), will prevent line twist from aggressive spinning lures like in-line spinners.
I do believe that how the line is put onto the reel affects initial twist. I put it on so that it comes off the end of the source spool opposite of how it goes onto the reel spool. i.e. if the bail is putting it on clockwise (looking at the end of the reel spool) it should come off the source spool counterclockwise.
But. . . some twist is inevitable, and as reported above, braid is less affected by it, the heavier monos and FC's are affected the most by it, dragging the line will get rid of it.
Bottom line is there is a lot going on that can affect twist, and if you do most of it right, twist should not be a horror.
Scott F reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 1:44 AM, MickD said:Using spinners like in-line spinners will twist the line , even if swivels are used. Regular swivels, IMHO, do not prevent line twist. I even doubt if ball bearing swivels, except for the very finest (and really expensive), will prevent line twist from aggressive spinning lures like in-line spinners.
The only spinners that cause line twist are defective ones. With properly running spinners, only the blade spins, not the entire lure. So they don’t twist line any more than any other bait. If your spinners are twisting your line, buy better quality baits.
MIbassyaker reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 1:44 AM, MickD said:Yes, but for every loop of line that goes out with the cast, or by letting the bail move as in letting line out while trolling or back reeling when fighting a fish, a full twist will be taken out.
Yeah, backreeling will take twist out, because it's just a reverse of the process by which the line was put on...but, of course, the twist comes back as the fish is reeled in! (unless the fish is also rotating with the bail)
And for a regular cast, as loops come off the spool they will only untwist to the extent that the bait is rotating as the line is let out.
It all has to do with what are the sources of rotation, and at what point do they occur, and the movement of the bail is the principal source of rotation. If a bait is rotating in the water (say, an in-line spinner) it could, in principle, be adding to the twist or removing it, depending on what direction it rotates.
What's the deal with swivels? My experience is similar to yours: they don't do much of anything to reduce line twist. It must be that the force required to rotate the swivel is more than the force needed to twist the line. So the line just twists more before the swivel starts going around.
geo g reply :
All the comment are good helps. Biggest thing is how the line was put on in the first place. Usually if you lay the spool of line on the ground with the label face up it will go on correctly. Some baits will cause line twist if not rigged correctly. Good luck, we have all experienced this at least once.
the reel ess reply :
While you can never completely eliminate line twist with spinning reels, I use a baitcast reel for the applications they excel at. If you're married to spinning reel, you're using it all the time. If you have 4 baitcast combos and one spinning combo, each combo dedicated to a particular use, you'll be using the spinning a lot less and therefore twisting the line much less. I mostly only use spinning for baits that are too hard to cast with BC gear, like the Trick Worm or light jerkbait.
In addition to the ground that has already been covered, spinning reels with larger diameter spools will twist line less than those with smaller spools. If you're using a bait like a weightless Trick worm, you can use a a good quality swivel at the end of the braid and use a leader of mono or fluoro. You can also stop at the end of your retrieve with several feet of line hanging and allow your bait to untwist as much as it will. Much of the twist gets concentrated at the end of the line.
scaleface reply :
I learned as a kid that I could not spool up a spinning reel or spincast reel without creating line twist . So whenever I restring one of those reels I "always" walk it out in the grass afterwards and reel it back in . That removes the line twist .
MickD reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 2:16 AM, MIbassyaker said:Yeah, backreeling will take twist out, because it's just a reverse of the process by which the line was put on...but, of course, the twist comes back as the fish is reeled in! (unless the fish is also rotating with the bail)
And for a regular cast, as loops come off the spool they will only untwist to the extent that the bait is rotating as the line is let out.
I respectfully believe you are not really understanding what is going on. If you start from putting the line on the reel, and let the line off the source spool by taking it off the edge, with the source spool turning to let out line, you will be putting one "twist" onto the line for every bail rotation. If you then tie the line to something, then walk away, letting out line with the bail open, when you have let all the line off the reel, the line will have no twist. All the "twists" put on by reeling it on will be relieved by taking line off with the bail open. If you take the line off the reel by "taking drag," then you will be removing no "twists."
You can see what is going on by taking a long electrical cord, laying it out on the lawn, no twists, make sure the twists are gone, and then start looping it into coils by just laying them onto your hand. This is what a spinning reel does. What is the condition of the long electrical cord by the time you get it all into coils? Same for garden hoses.
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MickD reply :
Seems like this video on preventing line twist is more about fixing than preventing.
WRB reply :
When line cones off a spinning reel in a wade of loops it's because the reel was over filled or to high memory line for the reel size or spooled backwards or a combination of all 3.
What line? What reel?
Tom
Ksam1234 reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 9:47 AM, WRB said:When line cones off a spinning reel in a wade of loops it's because the reel was over filled or to high memory line for the reel size or spooled backwards or a combination of all 3.
What line? What reel?
Tom
I was using sunline super FC sniper 8# test and using the new daiwa Procyon LT
WRB reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 9:49 AM, Ksam1234 said:I was using sunline super FC sniper 8# test and using the new daiwa Procyon LT
If the line was spooled backwards loops should start forming between the filler spool and rid tip during spooling if the spool was laid flat, flip the spool over. Using a mandrel the line should come off the bottom of the spinning filling spool, not the top for spinning reels. Full spool should be about 2 penny thickness ( 1/8") below the rim.
Fishing from a boat run the line behind the boat without anything tied on about 75 DD's for a few minutes at walking speed and reel it back onto the reel, all twist are gone.
I don't use FC without a line conditioner, Tangle Free or KVD.
It sounds like over filled with loose line.
Tom
Ksam1234 reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 10:04 AM, WRB said:If the line was spooled backwards loops should start forming between the filler spool and rid tip during spooling if the spool was laid flat, flip the spool over. Using a mandrel the line should come off the bottom of the spinning filling spool, not the top for spinning reels. Full spool should be about 2 penny thickness ( 1/8") below the rim.
Fishing from a boat run the line behind the boat without anything tied on about 75 DD's for a few minutes at walking speed and reel it back onto the reel, all twist are gone.
I don't use FC without a line conditioner, Tangle Free or KVD.
It sounds like over filled with loose line.
Tom
I spoiled the line on vertically. I have one of those spool stations that clamps down on the table , should I have not used that and laid it down then
ZbestBassman reply :
Buy stren original if you like mono and if you can then spool it up like a baitcaster with the line coming off the spool straight on.
WRB reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 10:24 AM, Ksam1234 said:I spoiled the line on vertically. I have one of those spool stations that clamps down on the table , should I have not used that and laid it down then
That is OK if the comes off the bottom of the spool spinning counter clockwise, off the top the spool spins in the opposite direction or clockwise.
Tom
ZbestBassman reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 12:17 AM, Russ E said:if you are in a boat let the line out behind the boat and idle in a straight line for a while. it will remove most of the twist..
Yes but make sure you don't have a lure on just free line it all the way out and pinch the line in front of the reel with your fingers on the way in
blckshirt98 reply :
8lb fluoro is the absolute heaviest you should go with on a spinning reel, but even then it's dicey. I'm in the braid w. fluoro leader camp on my spinning reels (unless it's 2-4# test for trout reels) and it removes line twist as an issue when fishing.
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A-Jay reply :
On 5/11/2019 at 11:56 PM, Ksam1234 said:Went out today and had to cut off so much like bc of line twist and no idea how to fix it. Any thoughts while I’m on the water would rly help! Thank you.
Lots of intersting information already offered on the subject. My version on line twist goes like this -
Braid is the way to go.
There will always be some line twist which will need to be relieved behind your rig periodically.
Don't over fill the spool.
Don't reel against the drag, fight the fish with the rod.
Close bail manually.
Just like the occasional over run on revolving spool gear, spinners have this little deal we need to learn to manage. The trick is to stay ahead of it BEFORE it becomes a problem.
A-Jay
Big Mike in Fl reply :
It was somewhat mentioned, but the lure has a lot to do with it too. A fluke, or worm not rigged straight, will corkscrew on retrieve which can create more twist. A boot tail or keel weighted bait is less likely to twist.
One thing overlooked is the wind and casting, have you ever noticed depending on the wind how your bait can tumble end over end, this creates a ton of twist that can’t be easily fixed.
Its funny because i experience bad twist sometimes, and I fish with braid. I mostly fish baitcasters (I’ll take 8 BC on the boat and 2-3 spinning). My tournament partner fishes exclusively spinning gear except for a flipping rod which he isn’t exactly dominant with. He gets significantly less twist issues than I do. We fish similar reels, similar line, similar rods, we both close the spool manually. I can’t explain What he does differently than I do, but I have way way more trouble than he does. I typically wind up back to a baitcaster after a While unless we’re on a solid pattern that dictates spinning because I get tired of the twist issues. And the fact that half the time I have to lose 10-15 yards of line because I can’t get the windage/twist knots out.
WRB reply :
The OP has a new outfit he has use for the first time and his problems are not associated with long term use, it's first use experience to the best of my knownledge New line, new reel, new rod.
Tom
ChrisD46 reply :
On 5/12/2019 at 12:29 AM, flyfisher said:Use braid, problem solved. Closing the bail manually and using KVD line conditioner will also help for non braid applications or at least it has for me. You may have also overfilled the spool which can leave wraps loose and start wind knots aka the backlash of spinning rods.
*After trying all the specialized ways of winding mono , FC & co-poly onto a spinning reel and dealing with line twist -I went to braid main line + FC , Mono or Co-Poly leader and never looked back .
TOXIC reply :
I use a spooling box and all of my line comes off the bottom of the spool to the reel. After I spool up I ALWAYS walk the line off the spool in the street or yard and respool it with tension from my fingers. You know that you at least started out with line that is not twisted. If it feeds off in loops when you make your first couple of casts, then you overfilled your spool. I try to spool up with about 1/16th of the lip of the spool visible. The best you can do if you overfilled is to reel it in with some heavy pressure from your fingers to try and compress it on the spool as much as possible. If you get twist after using a lure for a while, just feed it out behind the boat or walk it off on the bank and respool. This is with Mono. I only have braid on 1 spinning rig and it's for flipping and pitching to beds with no leader.
Choporoz reply :
On 3/24/2018 at 8:38 PM, Choporoz said:In with my gear, I keep a 30" length of line with a snap swivel on one end and a ball swivel on the other. Wrap it around a tree and secure with snap onto the line, leaving the ball swivel as tag end . Tie your spinning reel line to the ball swivel and walk it out with bail open 50 yards or so. Walk it back, reeling the line in between your fingers.
I still do this every couple weeks when using spinning gear with flouro regularly
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