The more I fish the more I realize how important the right not for the right application is..... and how big of a difference it can make. I personally like to tie a Palomar not when I am crank baiting because it allows the bait to move free, and is a relatively strong know. I was just wondering what you guys thought about my design and please feel free to correct me I am trying to learn as much as I can. Also what knots do you guys use for
pending the crank, no split ring like a shad rap or original rap types, the rapala loop knot is a must...i'll use that knot for treb walk the dog topwaters as well...
There are a few variables to consider before selecting a knot.
1. Type and strength of the line.
2. Type of hook or is another factor.
Palomar knot requires a larger loop the pass the lure through. This creates problems snugging the knot tight without over heating the knot and keeping the double line organized so it doesn't cross over itself, severely weakening the knot when cliched tight. The double Palomar knot is making 2 overhand wraps in lieu of 1 for the standard knot and improves the knot when using braid.
I like the Palomar knot for tying direct to hooks or clips using mono line.
Improved clinch knot or Trilene knot is a good knot for larger lures, spinnerbaits and tying direct to split ring lures like crankbaits when using mono line.
San Deigo jam knot is what I use for FC line, all lure and hook types except heavy wire hooks. Heavy wire hooks with FC line I use the double SD knot; 2 wraps through the hook eye.
Braid I like the old braid knot; double line clinch knot.
Tom
I use the Trilene Knot for every line to lure no matter the line type. Double uni for tying leaders.
Palomar.
Palomar just like reds hot sauce I PUT THAT ISH ON EVERYTHANG
I've gone back to tying the Palomar for just about everything. I will use a loop knot for certain topwaters though.
Majority of the time I use Palomar knot. Spinnerbaits use Trilene Knot and at times will use loop knot when tying direct to lure without split ring.
Considering the fact that most of my setups are braid with fluorocarbon leader. I use the san diego jam for just about everything except cranks which get the rapala.
Since I use a duo lock for my cranks (size varies on crank size) I pretty much stick to a good ol Trilene knot with five wraps and it has done me well. Used to use the palamar but in using a line tester found out a bad trilene knot breaks harder that a bad palamor. Not that we ever tie bad knots!!
16-20 also know as a Duncan Knot or Pitzen Knot: http://www.animatedknots.com/duncan/index.php?Categ=fishing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.comKn
I always use a uni knot. I have never had a break off at the knot and I've never had it slip. I double it up as well.
On 2/2/2014 at 6:45 AM, Felix77 said:I use the Trilene Knot for every line to lure no matter the line type.
Ditto, except improved clinch for me.
I use palomar for almost everything. I will use an improve clinch with mono/copoly when tying big baits, ie spook, just because I think it's a pita to make a huge loop then try to run all the trebles through it.
On 2/2/2014 at 4:19 AM, WRB said:San Deigo jam knot is what I use for FC line, all lure and hook types except heavy wire hooks. Heavy wire hooks with FC line I use the double SD knot; 2 wraps through the hook eye.
this is exactly what I use for fluoro as well. the knot is just so strong.
does the SD jam knot have any ill afffects on mono that you are aware? I've bounced back and forth between the SD jam and palomar and haven't found a very large differential to choose one over the other but my sample size is considerably small.
Palomar for everything, except for tying braid to leader material and for that I use the modified albright.
On 2/3/2014 at 2:05 AM, iabass8 said:this is exactly what I use for fluoro as well. the knot is just so strong.
does the SD jam knot have any ill afffects on mono that you are aware? I've bounced back and forth between the SD jam and palomar and haven't found a very large differential to choose one over the other but my sample size is considerably small.
I use the SD jam on mono and fluoro all the time. Neither have broken at the knot. My testing has shown that the SD jam is just as good on mono as it is for fluoro.
I use the 'Uni-Knot' for everything, hence the name 'universal knot' (no saliva necessary)
Roger
I use a palomar for braid, SD Jam for eveything else.
Mike
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I use a palomar knot for just about everything, If the bait is large with lots of treble hooks I make sure to spray some line conditioner on it before I tighten it down to make sure no line gets damaged. You do not want to sinch that large of a loop down with the line dry because it could cause line damage. Even on small loops with this knot I will moisten the line.
rapala knot all the way
Improved Clinch for me.
I use an improved clinch knot 99% of the time. I can't even remember the last time I had a knot failure.
For some crankbaits, I'll take off the split ring and use a loop knot. That makes up the other 1%.
I always take off the split rings and use a loop knot on all crank/jerk baits.
On 2/2/2014 at 10:36 PM, wnybassman said:Ditto, except improved clinch for me.
Same here. Been using it for almost everything for 40 years with no problems at all.
Tom
I may tie my knots more than once to get them perfect, but once it's tied failure is something that seldom occurs. I use only 3 knots, for mono and copoly an ordinary clinch, braid gets a double wrap improved clinch and for my lures it's a loopknot. I always use a leader and I use the lure as comes out of the box, I either leave the split ring on I don't put one on if it came without. I used to add a swivel to my spoons, I've given that up.
On 2/7/2014 at 4:08 PM, SirSnookalot said:I used to add a swivel to my spoons, I've given that up.
Ditto, doesnt help one bit. I think using a loop knot is more common with us saltwater anglers.
On 2/8/2014 at 6:54 AM, 119 said:Ditto, doesnt help one bit. I think using a loop knot is more common with us saltwater anglers.
Actually picked it up from saltwater guides. Also pulling a knot tight with a pliers or hook attached to an immovable object, never saw anyone concerned with stretch aka "burn".
On 2/2/2014 at 9:13 PM, roadwarrior said:16-20 also know as a Duncan Knot or Pitzen Knot: http://www.animatedknots.com/duncan/index.php?Categ=fishing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.comKn
I used the Palomar knot on everything for years, but now use the Uni (Duncan) knot more and more. It is perfect for large lures. And you can keep a loop in it for topwaters (just don't tighten it all the way up to the lure). And I've used it with mono, braid and fluoro without any problems or knot failures.