Need A New Reel To Balance My 7'6 Xh Duckett 2024
Garret88 reply :
I bought a 7'6 XH Duckett Micro Magic a little while back and paired it with a Revo STX.
It's not balanced at all. The balance point is about a finger width above the hook keeper.
The STX weighs about 6.46 oz.
Anyone know how much heavier of a reel I should get to better balance the rod? Maybe like a 7.5 ounce?
I'll just put the STX on something else.
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
New curado I, chronarch E, curado G..
WdyCrankbait reply :
I was going to say, look at a 50e series. Smaller reel should help that balance point issue.
Garret88 reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 7:55 AM, WdyCrankbait said:I was going to say, look at a 50e series. Smaller reel should help that balance point issue.
i need a bigger/heavier reel to bring the balance point closer to the reel seat i'd think.
Tywithay reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 7:55 AM, WdyCrankbait said:I was going to say, look at a 50e series. Smaller reel should help that balance point issue.
That kind of defies logic...
I would recommend something like the new Curado, or a Tatula. An extra ounce makes a pretty big difference in balance.
Grantman83 reply :
Daiwa zillion...heavy but reliable and smooth
mjseverson24 reply :
you are correct you do want a heavier reel, the tatula at 7.9 oz would be a good match, Lews superduty at 7.8 is a beast. the lews tournament MG is another good option at 7.9. probably the best balance you will get with that rod would be with one of the ardent flipping reels they are over 10 oz.
Mitch
OkeechobeeAngler reply :
Lews SD.
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 7:55 AM, WdyCrankbait said:I was going to say, look at a 50e series. Smaller reel should help that balance point issue.
You would be correct if he was talking about a rod with the hook keeper on the handle (butt side of the reel seat). I think the veritas has a hook keeper infront of the reel seat though (guide side of the reel seat) so in this case a heavier reel would balance it out.
SenkoGuru reply :
I have that Same Rod with a Lew's Super Duty and it balances very well. I would say a Reel in the 7.5 Oz range would be perfect. The Daiwa Tatula would also be very good on that rod, when I first got my Tatula I put it on that rod for a little while but went back to the Super Duty for Pitching, because I wanted to use the Tatula with Swim Jigs/Spinnerbaits.
Drewski73 reply :
Curado 200DHSV. Put a Hawg Tech on that bad boy, fill it with 65lb braid and get some!
Tywithay reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 8:22 AM, aprw1 said:You would be correct if he was talking about a rod with the hook keeper on the handle (butt side of the reel seat). I think the veritas has a hook keeper infront of the reel seat though (guide side of the reel seat) so in this case a heavier reel would balance it out.
The placement of the hook keeper makes no difference. If a rod is noticeably tip heavy, you need more weight at the back of the rod, regardless of the hook keeper. A heavier reel, or a balancing system, will give you the added weight.
5fishlimit reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 8:10 AM, Grantman83 said:Daiwa zillion...heavy but reliable and smooth
I agree. I have two, and both are on a Duckett. Great match!
Garret88 reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 9:17 AM, Tywithay said:The placement of the hook keeper makes no difference. If a rod is noticeably tip heavy, you need more weight at the back of the rod, regardless of the hook keeper. A heavier reel, or a balancing system, will give you the added weight.
if you want to use the reel as the fulcrum or balancing point then the position of the hook keeper which is my current fulcrum definitely matters. If the hook keeper is in front of the reel and its tips heavy that means i need a heavier reel. if the hook keeper was behind the reel and it was still tip heavy, then i need a lighter reel.
Garret88 reply :
I was thinking of a daiwa zillion or ardent f700. I can test out my buddy's f700 which could help me make my decision since i have no experience with zillions. If i'm not mistaken both of those reels have the closest max drag to revos.
Tywithay reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 11:10 AM, Garret88 said:if you want to use the reel as the fulcrum or balancing point then the position of the hook keeper which is my current fulcrum definitely matters. If the hook keeper is in front of the reel and its tips heavy that means i need a heavier reel. if the hook keeper was behind the reel and it was still tip heavy, then i need a lighter reel.
If the hook keeper is behind the reel and it still feels tip heavy when you hold the reel...you still need more weight at the back of the rod. If the hook keeper is above the foregrip and it feels tip heavy when you hold the reel, you need more weight at the back of the rod. It changes nothing.
mjseverson24 reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 11:46 AM, Tywithay said:If the hook keeper is behind the reel and it still feels tip heavy when you hold the reel...you still need more weight at the back of the rod. If the hook keeper is above the foregrip and it feels tip heavy when you hold the reel, you need more weight at the back of the rod. It changes nothing.
OP do not listen to this person they are 100% incorrect. Your statement saying your balance point is forward of the hook keeper makes the location of the keeper important to know wether the reel should weigh more or less. since the keeper is forward of the reel seat you need more weight on the reel or a balancer on the butt to make the rods balance point closer to the reel seat.
Mitch
Garret88 reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 12:19 PM, mjseverson24 said:OP do not listen to this person they are 100% incorrect. Your statement saying your balance point is forward of the hook keeper makes the location of the keeper important to know wether the reel should weigh more or less. since the keeper is forward of the reel seat you need more weight on the reel or a balancer on the butt to make the rods balance point closer to the reel seat.
Mitch
That's what I was leaning toward as well. If the balance point was behind the reel, you either still need a balancer on the butt or a lighter reel.
Tywithay reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 12:24 PM, Garret88 said:That's what I was leaning toward as well. If the balance point was behind the reel, you either still need a balancer on the butt or a lighter reel.
That's correct. That doesn't concern the hook keeper though.
Tywithay reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 12:19 PM, mjseverson24 said:OP do not listen to this person they are 100% incorrect. Your statement saying your balance point is forward of the hook keeper makes the location of the keeper important to know wether the reel should weigh more or less. since the keeper is forward of the reel seat you need more weight on the reel or a balancer on the butt to make the rods balance point closer to the reel seat.
Mitch
The location of the hook keeper being behind or in front of the reel is of little consequence. If the BALANCE POINT is forward or behind the reel, that tells you whether or not you need a lighter/heavier reel.
BenB54 reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 11:13 AM, Garret88 said:If i'm not mistaken both of those reels have the closest max drag to revos.
I wouldn't base my reel selection on how close the max drag is to another reel, anything with 10lbs + is going to be way more than capable for your needs. At least I assume this is a flip/pitch/punch setup? I would check out the new Curado or a Chronarch E/Ci4+.
Garret88 reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 1:07 PM, Tywithay said:The location of the hook keeper being behind or in front of the reel is of little consequence. If the BALANCE POINT is forward or behind the reel, that tells you whether or not you need a lighter/heavier reel.
Youre right. But we are referring to the hook keeper being the balancing point. So therefore its location is relevant in this scenario.
Garret88 reply :
On 2/7/2014 at 1:15 AM, BenB54 said:I wouldn't base my reel selection on how close the max drag is to another reel, anything with 10lbs + is going to be way more than capable for your needs. At least I assume this is a flip/pitch/punch setup? I would check out the new Curado or a Chronarch E/Ci4+.
I agree. Im just used to revo drag and it gives me the confidence to know its closer to the revo max drag.
AMAC reply :
On 2/6/2014 at 7:02 AM, Garret88 said:I bought a 7'6 XH Duckett Micro Magic a little while back and paired it with a Revo STX.
It's not balanced at all. The balance point is about a finger width above the hook keeper.
The STX weighs about 6.46 oz.
Anyone know how much heavier of a reel I should get to better balance the rod? Maybe like a 7.5 ounce?
I'll just put the STX on something else.
Tape some quarters to the butt of the rod. I saw an old timer do it. He swore it did the trick.........
5fishlimit reply :
Daiwa zillion are going for a good price. Check it out.
Garret88 reply :
On 2/8/2014 at 2:41 AM, 5fishlimit said:Daiwa zillion are going for a good price. Check it out.
Will do. Its either going to be a Daiwa Zillion or Tatula 100 Type R. I definitely want something sturdy that can handle all the strain from flipping/pitching heavy cover.
I'm leaning toward the Tatula because I heard the TWS helps with super smooth pitching.
OkeechobeeAngler reply :
Garret, if you want something that is sturdy and handle heavy abuse from pitching/flipping I highly suggest you check out the Lews Superduty.
baluga reply :
Instead of replacing the reel, you can try adjusting the balance of your setup by:
Here’s a cheap and easy way to balance without damaging or drilling holes in the butt end of the rod.
Materials:
1. Shoe Goo
2. A dime (to fill butt ends with cavity like Cumara)
3. Quarters as counterweight.
4. Felt tip/pads ( the one that you use for the chairs ) size of a quarter.
Here’s some pix.
You can always removed the weights by making a loop with a braid line on the dried glue between the butt end and the quarter and pull the braid slowly until it cuts off the glue.
If it needed more than 3 quarters, it would be best to buy those butt caps and put the quarters in and plug the thing to the butt end.
Garret88 reply :
On 2/8/2014 at 3:20 AM, baluga said:Instead of replacing the reel, you can try adjusting the balance of your setup by:
Here’s a cheap and easy way to balance without damaging or drilling holes in the butt end of the rod.
Materials:
1. Shoe Goo
2. A dime (to fill butt ends with cavity like Cumara)
3. Quarters as counterweight.
4. Felt tip/pads ( the one that you use for the chairs ) size of a quarter.
Here’s some pix.
You can always removed the weights by making a loop with a braid line on the dried glue between the butt end and the quarter and pull the braid slowly until it cuts off the glue.
If it needed more than 3 quarters, it would be best to buy those butt caps and put the quarters in and plug the thing to the butt end.
Definitely a possibility. Although now, upon further tinkering with the STX, its not just a matter of balance. I'm not exactly impressed with the smoothness of the STX I purchased, especially after receiving my Chronarch CI4+. It is a plausible solution though!
rippin-lips reply :
On a rod that long you are going to have to add weight at the very end of the butt. The reel isn't going to have 'much' affect on the balance point. About a finger width really. Beware that when adding any weight to a rod you are decreasing sensitivity. The rubber chair cap with quarters or washers will be the easiest method. Just know that it may take 2-4oz to balance out the rod so it's not tip heavy. It's heavier overall but feels lighter in your hand while fishing.
Garret88 reply :
On 2/8/2014 at 6:34 AM, rippin-lips said:On a rod that long you are going to have to add weight at the very end of the butt. The reel isn't going to have 'much' affect on the balance point. About a finger width really. Beware that when adding any weight to a rod you are decreasing sensitivity. The rubber chair cap with quarters or washers will be the easiest method. Just know that it may take 2-4oz to balance out the rod so it's not tip heavy. It's heavier overall but feels lighter in your hand while fishing.
I will definitely consider this when finalizing this setup. Although after this thread, its turned from a balancing problem to a reel smoothness problem. But now I may not be so concerned about finding a heavier reel, just a smoother reel.
stratoliner92 reply :
On 2/8/2014 at 6:34 AM, rippin-lips said:The rubber chair cap with quarters or washers will be the easiest method. It's heavier overall but feels lighter in your hand while fishing.
X2 i have done this for a few rods and nice change.
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