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rippin-lips reply :
So I picked up a 2nd PX68l off the internet. Description said that the spool doesn't rotate freely. It arrived today and automatically it was time for a complete tear down to the bare frame for a clean it up and to add some parts to it. The pictures are self explanatory. Also the reason why the spool wouldn't spin more then one revolution with the thumb bar disengaged. There's no need for this amount of grease. Took a bit to get it all clean but it's good now.
Bluebasser86 reply :
About how most Shimanos look new, just caked in grease.
aavery2 reply :
Reel is over greased, but I am having a problem making the connection from your pictures as to why the spool would not turn when disengaged.
Bluebasser86 reply :
Just says it doesn't rotate freely, not that it doesn't turn. I'm assuming that means that it wasn't casting very far or wasn't free spooling like it should be, which is to be expected with that amount of grease in the reel sticking to everything.
aavery2 reply :
On 12/31/2014 at 3:03 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Just says it doesn't rotate freely, not that it doesn't turn. I'm assuming that means that it wasn't casting very far or wasn't free spooling like it should be, which is to be expected with that amount of grease in the reel sticking to everything.
I see what your saying, but once the reel is disengaged none of those parts have an effect on free spool.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I'm just guessing that at least a little bit of that grease would be getting onto the spool shaft and just a little bit would be slowing the spool down a lot. I'm a long ways from a reel mechanic though.
rippin-lips reply :
No spool shaft on this reel. Free floating spool, but yes you got the idea. Not all Daiwa's are free floating though. Some have a spool shaft.
The spool rotated smoothly but it wouldn't free spool more than one turn due to grease on everything. Including all the bearings. My cup of solution looked like it had dandruff from all the grease in them. Gotta love brake cleaner. It'll break down anything,and fast too.
aavery2 reply :
On 12/31/2014 at 3:16 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I'm just guessing that at least a little bit of that grease would be getting onto the spool shaft and just a little bit would be slowing the spool down a lot. I'm a long ways from a reel mechanic though.
Daiwa uses a free floating spool, in this reel, so there is no spool shaft that protrudes through the inside of the pinion.
aavery2 reply :
On 12/31/2014 at 3:17 PM, rippin-lips said:No spool shaft on this reel. Free floating spool, but yes you got the idea. Not all Daiwa's are free floating though. Some have a spool shaft.
The spool rotated smoothly but it wouldn't free spool more than one turn due to grease on everything. Including all the bearings. My cup of solution looked like it had dandruff from all the grease in them. Gotta love brake cleaner. It'll break down anything,and fast too.
If the bearings had as much grease on them as the rest of the reel, that would definitely eliminate any free spool.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 12/31/2014 at 3:21 PM, aavery2 said:Daiwa uses a free floating spool, in this reel, so there is no spool shaft that protrudes through the inside of the pinion.
Got ya, I have zero experience with cleaning Daiwa's, good information to know.
For sure cleaning that grease out is badly needed.
smallies24/7 reply :
I just got a Daiwa Tatula Type R last month, and I am a little disappointed in its casting distance. My Speed Spools can out cast it, not by much, but I expect more from a reel with double the price tag. Could this be the reason it doesnt cast quite as far as I think it should?
rippin-lips reply :
My guess is that it needs to have the spool bearings flushed and re oiled. 1 small drop of a good low viscosity oil is all you need. I have 3 Tatula's and they hang right there with some of my higher end Daiwas that have upgraded spools and boca os7 bearings.
Tywithay reply :
Yuck. Looks like that crappy ardent butter grease too. That stuff will make anything move slowly, as sticky as it is.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 12/31/2014 at 3:25 PM, smallies24/7 said:I just got a Daiwa Tatula Type R last month, and I am a little disappointed in its casting distance. My Speed Spools can out cast it, not by much, but I expect more from a reel with double the price tag. Could this be the reason it doesnt cast quite as far as I think it should?
Probably. Send it to DVT for a thorough cleaning and proper re-lube. My Type R casts as far as any of my other reels. Not all reels are packed like that with grease. My T3 1016 was very dry.
Montanaro reply :
Looks like tree sap.
HoosierHawgs reply :
On 12/31/2014 at 3:25 PM, smallies24/7 said:I just got a Daiwa Tatula Type R last month, and I am a little disappointed in its casting distance. My Speed Spools can out cast it, not by much, but I expect more from a reel with double the price tag. Could this be the reason it doesnt cast quite as far as I think it should?
Have you cleaned your Lew's. I know they come greased from the factory, but maybe not as much as your Daiwa. I know the Revos come from the factory completely dry.
Logan S reply :
On 12/31/2014 at 11:58 PM, jakob1010 said:I know the Revos come from the factory completely dry.
Tywithay reply :
On 1/1/2015 at 12:30 AM, Stratos20SS said:
Revos are lubed 100% adequately from the factory. All 8 of my STX's were anyway...
On the subject of maintenance and lubes, I agree with using as little as needed. Keeping it evenly spread is the key, clumps of grease end up being wasted and will likely gum up everything inside...Probably part of what happened to OP's reel before he got it.Grease for gears, oil for bearings (DUH!).
I actually like grease in all my bearings, except the spool bearings.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Bet you got a great deal on that reel! I hate ardent butter... Man they really blathered it in there. Nice score...
rippin-lips reply :
I use a mix of a few things. All except the drag grease can be picked up at Walmart and you'll have enough to do years of maintenance.
Marine grease - gears
140wt gear lube - worm gear,sliding parts, and bearings.
Remington oil spool bearings
Cals drag grease - drag washers
rippin-lips reply :
I don't think it's Ardent. I have a tube of it and this is more translucent looking. Plus it smells a lot worse. I actually don't mind the reel butter but I don't use it anymore.
Trace reply :
That is pretty heavily coated with grease. I purchased a couple reels used that were the same exact way. After a a little tlc, well a lot of tlc they were great. Complete cleaning, bearing soak w/ ultrasonic and re lubes.
FishTank reply :
Wow. That's a lot of grease.
After the last few reels I have purchased, I am convinced that reel manufactures put grease and oil on reels so they can store them instead of putting enough on them to make them function properly.
desmobob reply :
On 1/2/2015 at 2:48 AM, FishTank said:Wow. That's a lot of grease.
After the last few reels I have purchased, I am convinced that reel manufactures put grease and oil on reels so they can store them instead of putting enough on them to make them function properly.
That, and the fact that a lot of the owners will never lube/maintain them properly, so they'll be plenty of extra grease inside to hopefully last for the long haul....
Tight lines,
Bob
aavery2 reply :
On 1/2/2015 at 2:57 AM, desmobob said:plenty of extra grease inside to hopefully last for the long haul....
Translation - Warranty period
rippin-lips reply :
I've never had one this bad. I'm not sure if it's from the factory or not. I took the knobs off to add the bearings in place of the bushings. There were already bearings in there. So someone has at least taken the knobs off. This could be their idea of how it should be. Who knows though. She's all fixed up now. Spooled with #30 pp hi vis and mounted to a champion 703. Nice little setup.
desmobob reply :
I'm going to go down the workbench later to take apart my new PXL-R and see what she has inside. My two Tatulas were fairly heavily greased and the bearings seemed to be lubed with some pretty heavy oil. A clean and re-lube really loosened them up.
One of my Lew's Tournament Pros had spots that were lacking grease, making the clutch bar action feel hard and the re-engagement feel really bad. That reel benefitted greatly from some TLC at the bench.
The Pixy feels pretty darn nice already. Who knows what a clean/re-lube will do!
Tight lines,
Bob
Montanaro reply :
My father's pinnacle inertia is similar...the spool bearings had grease coating....
Tywithay reply :
On 1/2/2015 at 3:56 AM, rippin-lips said:I've never had one this bad. I'm not sure if it's from the factory or not. I took the knobs off to add the bearings in place of the bushings. There were already bearings in there. So someone has at least taken the knobs off. This could be their idea of how it should be. Who knows though. She's all fixed up now. Spooled with #30 pp hi vis and mounted to a champion 703. Nice little setup.
I've seen a lot of saltwater guys coat the inside like that to prevent water intrusion. Don't know where you got it from, but it's also a possibility.
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