I am going to really focus on flipping and pitching this year. I have very little experience and am virtually new to this technique. I want to get a rod I can do a little of both with. I know that there really is not a perfect rod made for both. I am looking at getting a rod around the 7'4" length until I decide which technique I prefer. I know that most people prefer a longer rod for flipping and a shorter one for pitching. Is there a rod you all might steer me towards to start out? I am not to worried about price but I do not want to pay $300 for a rod. Any help is appreciated!
powell 7' H or powell flipping 7'6 mh
Check out Dobyns 734 or 735 in either the Savy or Champion Series. you wont find a more balanced rod out there. I prefer a 7'6 for both flipping and pitching. But a 7'3 might be a happy medium for you.
Abu Garcia Veritas - $99 Bought one this year and LOVE IT!
Dobyns 735
Dobyns 795DX - It's slightly longer than your desired 7'4 range, but at 7'9 it's still great for pitching and flipping, and it's one amazing rod. Sensitive enough to throw 3/8oz jigs and still easily feel the bottom, yet still enough to flip into very heavy cover. It's slightly over the $300 price mark, but if you can get one on sale it's a great rod.
If you want something slightly cheaper, the 765C Flip rod is awesome, very versatile rod. It's the rod I first started using for pitching and flipping a few years ago, and still one of my go to rods.
I am using a Kistler 7'-6" z bone and the Helium LTA for these applications and they work very well. Very light and sensitive rods teamed up with a revo and braid, can't go wrong.
Veritas 7'6" MH no need to look at anything else!!
Im gonna have to say stick to either a Powell or Dobyns. There arent any better rods out there in their price range. The Dobyns 735 would fit you well or the Powell 704C. The 704C is one of the most versital rods there is IMO.
a dobyns 735 sounds perfect for you, especially since you're still trying to figure out what you're gonna like or not like. i was in your shoes a few years back and decided flippin' all day wasn't for me so i sold off my 7'6" flippin' sticks. however, there are times when you just gotta flip and the 735c can do both...it's ideal for pitchin' and good for flippin'.
Dobyns 735c
Dobyns 735c
For those of you who like the Dobyns 735c, is that the Champion series or the Savy? The Champion is $80 more. Is it that much different than the Savy?
Champion. I would spend the extra money, too.
I honestly didn't notice enough of a difference to warrant me spending the extra 80 bucks on them. As I understand it, they're based on the same blank. The Champion series has better components (cork, guides, hook hanger) than the Savvy though. If those are worth spending the extra 80 bucks to you, then go for it. The Champion line is the backbone of Dobyns rods. Supposedly though, the Savvy series is getting expanded a bunch later this year or early 2012. Both of them are great rods. It's all a matter of how much you're willing to spend.
Not that I really care about looks all that much, the Savvy rods are a bit more attractive IMO.
Richard Dobyns told me in an email that the blanks are different. I just love the cork on the Champion. I bet the Savvy is a good compromise though. Interested to see what they do with the line.
As much as I love the fishing industry, I hate it at times as well. One of the Dobyns dealers I speak with regularly said that he spoke with Gary Dobyns and said that the blanks are the same. I'll probably just call Dobyns directly to see what the man says.
Getting second and sometimes third hand information is just horrible. I would expect the blank to be a bit better just from the price increase. I can tell you comparing the same rods from each series that they feel very similar. There is a difference between the two, but to me, it is very minimal.
The Champion Extreme on the other hand is a different beast entirely. Oh how I wish I could afford to buy several of those.
Instead of bombarding you with recommendations for a specific rod, I'll just tell you what I like in a flipping and pitching rod. IMO, pitching and flipping are best done with separate rods. The characteristics that make a rod ideal for flipping aren't the same characteristics that make it ideal for pitching.
For a flipping rod, I like a 7'6" rod rated heavy with an extra fast tip - a virtual telephone pole. I think of a flipping rod as a sort of a crane. When I flip, my rod is rarely pointing much down past the a line parallel with the water surface, so length doesn't matter much, and a long rod comes in handy since your flips aren't very far from the rod tip. Flipping also doesn't load your rod much, if any, so a stiff rod doesn't hamper you. And a heavy, stiff rod will let you lift fish out of heavy cover.
Pitching, on the other hand, is best done with a shorter rod. 7' is as long as I would go. I rod in the 6'8"+ range is very handy. I still want a heavy rod with a fast to extra fast tip, but I want a little more give in the rod so I can load it up a bit when I pitch. Pitching will load your rod more than flipping. When I pitch, my rod is pointed at the water more so than when I flip. Pitching with a 7'6" flipping rod is a pain. A shorter rod designed for pitching is a much better choice.
You can flip or pitch with any rod. But if I were to buy one rod for both techniques, I would buy a 7' pitching rod. Flipping with a pitching rod is easier than pitching with a flipping rod.
St. Croix LTB76MHMF, I use this same length and action in the legend extreme which is a bit over the $300 mark , but the LBT can be had for $280. Interestingly I really like this rod for carolina rigging also
On 4/8/2011 at 6:54 AM, SoFlaBassAddict said:As much as I love the fishing industry, I hate it at times as well. One of the Dobyns dealers I speak with regularly said that he spoke with Gary Dobyns and said that the blanks are the same. I'll probably just call Dobyns directly to see what the man says.
Getting second and sometimes third hand information is just horrible. I would expect the blank to be a bit better just from the price increase. I can tell you comparing the same rods from each series that they feel very similar. There is a difference between the two, but to me, it is very minimal.
The Champion Extreme on the other hand is a different beast entirely. Oh how I wish I could afford to buy several of those.
I hear ya on that one man! I'm 99% sure I'm correct, I'll make sure when I get up.
I think my next rod is going to be a DX744. I like not paying for insurance, gas, mortgage, etc, haha!
I've been using the Falcon Cara Amistad micro. it's 7'3" heavy, extra fast i think. don't quote me on that action. paid $229 for it and I love it. I kinda thought the micros were a fad at first. One thing I noticed about them was when a fish soft mouths my lure, if I don't feel it, I definitely hear the line slap the guides if its pretty calm out. first time that happened i was like holy crap, that was cool. i don't want to think of how many bites may have gone unnoticed. but then again, maybe it's all in my head and I'm super easy to market to.
On 4/7/2011 at 11:03 AM, Mich. St8 Spartan said:For those of you who like the Dobyns 735c, is that the Champion series or the Savy? The Champion is $80 more. Is it that much different than the Savy?
I have never fished with a Savvy series rod. I do own a handful of Champions and I'm very happy with them. From handling the Savvy rods in stores, they don't feel quite as crisp as the Champions and are a little heavier. From dragging the rod tips on the store's carpet to get an idea of the rod's sensitivity, the Savvy definitely feels less sensitive than the Champion. I'd say the Savvy are on par with the St. Croix Avid, sensitivity-wise.
I use a Champion 735c for pitching and do some light flipping with it, too.
I have a 735c, and I only plan on getting rid of it If I upgrade to a extreme. Nice rod.
I would suggest to take a look at St Croix Avid AVC 76mhmf, costs about $200 and it's worth every penny. It felt a bit "funny" in the beggining, but once I got used to it, I never looked back. It's all I used last season to flip/pitch. I have no problem accurately pitching a 1/4oz jig + trailer at targets at 30ft.
The cover I'm fishing is mostly grass, and the bass are not that big in Michigan, so I don't need a heavy rod.
The reel is very important when pitching, especially with lighter baits.
On 4/9/2011 at 6:03 PM, sal669 said:I would suggest to take a look at St Croix Avid AVC 76mhmf, costs about $200 and it's worth every penny. It felt a bit "funny" in the beggining, but once I got used to it, I never looked back. It's all I used last season to flip/pitch. I have no problem accurately pitching a 1/4oz jig + trailer at targets at 30ft.
The cover I'm fishing is mostly grass, and the bass are not that big in Michigan, so I don't need a heavy rod.
The reel is very important when pitching, especially with lighter baits.
What reel are you using?
Well I was in a store today and I found a Dobyns Savvy 735c on sale ($20 off). Because I am new to flipping and pitching I decided to take a chance on one. What the heck, was not that much money, seems like a nice, sensitive rod, and I can always upgrade. So for $140 I think it was a good deal. Now I just have to decide on a reel. Glad I am easy at making decisions Thanks for all you help!
That'll be a great rod for you man. Congrats on the purchase!
For me, the Dobyns 735C is about perfect for pitching. I like the 7'3" length...for each person the optimal length probably depends on your height/boat type. I think you want the longest rod you can pitch underhanded (i.e. max distance).
the 735c has a great action for pitching...the rod will load a little bit pitching a small bait, but it has a fast enough tip and plenty of backbone to nail the fish when it strikes. Sensitivity is very good.