Daiwa Steez Sv 2024
poisonokie reply :
Is this basically a USDM version of the SS SV with four more bearings and a different paint job?
Raul reply :
No, it is a different reel, there's a slight 150 dollars difference.
poisonokie reply :
And? It's also about an ounce heavier. I'm thinking it's the same frame, same spool, same pinion, brass drive gear instead of aluminum (hence the weight), a longer handle with heavier knobs, two extra bearings under each handle, one on the worm shaft, one at the spool tension knob, which clicks while the Ss doesn't, different paint job and cross bar on the front.
poisonokie reply :
well, an ounce heavier for the 8.1, a half ounce for the 6.3
Raul reply :
On 9/23/2015 at 9:31 AM, poisonokie said:And? It's also about an ounce heavier. I'm thinking it's the same frame, same spool, same pinion, brass drive gear instead of aluminum (hence the weight), a longer handle with heavier knobs, two extra bearings under each handle, one on the worm shaft, one at the spool tension knob, which clicks while the Ss doesn't, different paint job and cross bar on the front.
It's a different reel, I own the SS SV and a regular Steez.
poisonokie reply :
do you have the steez sv that came out a few weeks ago? I'm not talking about the ex model.
poisonokie reply :
On 9/23/2015 at 8:55 AM, Raul said:No, it is a different reel, there's a slight 150 dollars difference.
It's actually only a $60 difference. The msrp for the Ss is around 339 usd, while the steez SV is $399. Which adds up to 4 more bearings, a brass gear (are those more expensive?), cheaper knobs, and most importantly a Steez label.
tbone1993 reply :
idc i want one lol
Hogsticker reply :
I'm pretty sure the drag stack is different. Single disc on the SS, multi disc on the Steez.
poisonokie reply :
On 9/23/2015 at 4:32 PM, Hogsticker said:I'm pretty sure the drag stack is different. Single disc on the SS, multi disc on the Steez.
Yeah, maybe, because the SS has a 4kg drag and the steez has 6kg or 13.2#. Then again, a t3 is rated at 13.2# and has a single disc. Either way, the steez may have a smoother drag. I hear the SS is pretty smooth, though.
THE_Vue's reply :
Steez USA is like a Type R version while the SS SV standard. Same thing, Steez is just a souped up a bit. I'll stick to the full Magnesuim Steez, EX older steez and 6.3 SV. Plus they should of kept the flush handle nut on the newer Steez SV. IMO
IAY reply :
USA Steez is the water down(shorter handles, no feel cover, oil, nor blings) version of Limited Steez. SS SV does not have the smooth well connected feels that high end Daiwa Reels has, and is a poor comparison to the new steez sv.
poisonokie reply :
On 9/23/2015 at 10:56 PM, IAY said:USA Steez is the water down(shorter handles, no feel cover, oil, nor blings) version of Limited Steez. SS SV does not have the smooth well connected feels that high end Daiwa Reels has, and is a poor comparison to the new steez sv.
my point is that the steez sv is a poor comparison to a steez ex. As the vue said, its just the "type r" version of the SS. The Steez SV, like the SS, doesn't come with a cover or oil, and has the exact same frame shape and materials (Mg frame + Zaion sideplates)
IAY reply :
On 9/24/2015 at 1:43 AM, poisonokie said:my point is that the steez sv is a poor comparison to a steez ex. As the vue said, its just the "type r" version of the SS. The Steez SV, like the SS, doesn't come with a cover or oil, and has the exact same frame shape and materials (Mg frame + Zaion sideplates)
JDM Steez Limited also had the Zaion sideplates and MG frame. You can say the same thing about the Steez EX and SS SV since they share "same frame shape", but the internals are completely different animal. Steez SV has same internals as JDM Steez Limited from what I heard. It's like comparing Metanium 13 to Curado I "because they look the same" .
poisonokie reply :
The ex is similar, but not identical like the sv. I'm not comparing it to the ex. Also, you placed "because they look the same" in quotes as if I said that. For the record, I did not.
IAY reply :
On 9/24/2015 at 3:08 AM, poisonokie said:The ex is similar, but not identical like the sv. I'm not comparing it to the ex. Also, you placed "because they look the same" in quotes as if I said that. For the record, I did not.
Yeah I am just making an extreme statement, not quoting you or anything. I just want to get my point across that Steez SV still has the refined internals of Steez that is worth the extra $$ over SS SV in my mind.
rippin-lips reply :
On 9/24/2015 at 3:04 AM, IAY said:JDM Steez Limited also had the Zaion sideplates and MG frame. You can say the same thing about the Steez EX and SS SV since they share "same frame shape", but the internals are completely different animal. Steez SV has same internals as JDM Steez Limited from what I heard. It's like comparing Metanium 13 to Curado I "because they look the same" .
Wait, they're different...
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k3bass reply :
On 9/24/2015 at 3:11 AM, IAY said:Yeah I am just making an extreme statement, not quoting you or anything. I just want to get my point across that Steez SV still has the refined internals of Steez that is worth the extra $$ over SS SV in my mind.
Can you elaborate on "refined internals"?
IAY reply :
On 9/24/2015 at 12:35 PM, k3bass said:Can you elaborate on "refined internals"?
The retrieve is very rigid, smooth, and you can feel all of the gears fitting into each other perfectly. You don't have that in SS SV; the retrieve just kind of glides through without having any rigidity nor the "gearliness" you would expect from high end Daiwas so it feels much cheaper.
poisonokie reply :
On 9/24/2015 at 7:28 PM, IAY said:The retrieve is very rigid, smooth, and you can feel all of the gears fitting into each other perfectly. You don't have that in SS SV; the retrieve just kind of glides through without having any rigidity nor the "gearliness" you would expect from high end Daiwas so it feels much cheaper.
That's just due to the aluminum drive gear. Also, I think you're still taking about a steez ex, a $600 reel, vs a steez sv, a $400 reel.
k3bass reply :
On 9/24/2015 at 7:28 PM, IAY said:The retrieve is very rigid, smooth, and you can feel all of the gears fitting into each other perfectly. You don't have that in SS SV; the retrieve just kind of glides through without having any rigidity nor the "gearliness" you would expect from high end Daiwas so it feels much cheaper.
So what are the actual mechanical differences between the two reels that make them feel different?
Hogsticker reply :
The only difference would be the material and how they're machined. I don't think anyone can really say until they own both reels and tear them down. Personally, I'm leaning more towards the USDM Steez SV being a suped up SS SV,closer to anyways rather than the Steez EX. I could be wrong but it seems to be the Daiwa way these days. If you own any TDZs, hang on to them.On 9/24/2015 at 11:34 PM, k3bass said:So what are the actual mechanical differences between the two reels that make them feel different?
poisonokie reply :
On 9/25/2015 at 1:50 AM, Hogsticker said:The only difference would be the material and how they're machined. I don't think anyone can really say until they own both reels and tear them down. Personally, I'm leaning more towards the USDM Steez SV being a suped up SS SV,closer to anyways rather than the Steez EX. I could be wrong but it seems to be the Daiwa way these days. If you own any TDZs, hang on to them.
Right, and it's pretty early for someone to have even purchased a steez sv, much less torn it down. I was just hoping someone had. If it has a multi washer drag stack like you proposed, I could see that adding to the cost, and I suppose a brass drive gear may as well, despite the added weight, as would four more bearings, even though that's miniscule.
I just wish someone could tell me if there are 2 or 0 knob bearings. Even tackletour says it has no knob bearings and that it has one per knob in the same review, which obviously isn't possible unless Daiwa accidentally sent them a quantum mechanical model.
Thanks for being the voice of reason among all the rabble, hogsticker.
iabass8 reply :
On 9/25/2015 at 2:05 AM, poisonokie said:
I just wish someone could tell me if there are 2 or 0 knob bearings. Even tackletour says it has no knob bearings and that it has one per knob in the same review, which obviously isn't possible unless Daiwa accidentally sent them a quantum mechanical model.
I believe a user review earlier said it was 1 bearing per knob. I only remember from being interested in the reel for a short time. Regardless, it shouldn't carry any weight on a decision. The handle isn't riveted so it can support a 2 bearing upgrade and handle/level wind/drive shaft bearings are something like ,60 a piece if you buy them from RC car vendors.
rippin-lips reply :
Steez SV = aluminum main gear - 8:1 is brass
Steez SV = 4 bearing 90mm handle
SS SV = 2 bearing 80mm handle
iabass8 reply :
I was referring to the SSSV. I thought thats what he was asking about. Thought ghoti said it had 1 per handle.
rippin-lips reply :
On 9/25/2015 at 5:50 AM, iabass8 said:I was referring to the SSSV. I thought thats what he was asking about. Thought ghoti said it had 1 per handle.
Yes, the SS SV has one per knob. It has one supporting the worm drive also.
poisonokie reply :
On 9/25/2015 at 5:50 AM, iabass8 said:I was referring to the SSSV. I thought thats what he was asking about. Thought ghoti said it had 1 per handle.
I was referring to the SS. But that's okay, this is constructive. If there is in fact a bearing in each ss knob, where are the other two missing from? I get where they are located in a maxed out reel. I'm guessing one is under the spool tension knob.
More important to me, though, is that the Ss and steez 6.3 share an aluminum gear. I had already mentioned the extra weight in the longer handle, knobs (~1/5 oz together), and the bearings, but I figured the steez sv might have brass gears in both models and that the 8.1 was heavier just because the gear was bigger.
So there's yet another similarity. If the other missing bearing is on the pinion or drive shaft, that would explain the less geary feel of the ss, so swap that bushing out and boom, you get the feel back.
It's the same reel. Just detuned. I've seen them go for $350 which puts in at just over $100 more than what an ss goes for, and maybe that's worth it to some for not having to tear down the reel, add bearings, and buy a longer handle if that suits their fancy, but they're stuck with those knobs unless they buy those
poisonokie reply :
Oh, and then there's the clicking tension knob, but I wouldn't say that improves refinement necessarily due to the slight lack of adjustment precision.
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