Casting rod for spinnerbaits, chatterbaits and crankbaits 2024

Boomstick reply :

Currently I have a Daiwa Tatula 6'10" MH/F rod paired with a 6.3:1 Tatula SV reel, a Mitchell 300 Pro spinning combo and a Pflueger President spinning combo, I'll usually rig one for myself and the boys can use the other). While fishing on a rowboat this past week, it hit me that it would be nice to have a second rod so I could throw a frog on mine, and a spinnerbait on the other, or perhaps in a different lake a swim jig and a crankbait or a texas rigged senko and a chatterbait, etc. The MH is more than adequate as the lakes I fish don't have any excessive amount of weeds.

My first through was I could get a Lews Mach II combo, toss some braid on it and toss some 17lb mono on the tatula (since the Lews has the 7.5:1 gear ratio), but seeing as what I am really missing from my setup is a cranking rod, I was debating picking up a Tatula Glass Cranking rod and another Tatula SV reel. If I go this way, should I get the 7.3:1 reel and put my current 6.3:1 on the cranking rod or just another 6.3:1? And how does a glass cranking rod handle a 3/8 or 1/2 oz spinnerbait or chatterbait? If that works well, then I think this is the way I'm going.

J Francho reply :

I would not combine those baits. Spinnerbaits and chatterbaits have a large, barbed hook. You want at least a fast or extra fast taper to quickly drive that big hook home. The good thing about this type of rod, it can usually also be used for topwater, buzzbaits, and rip/jerk baits. Crankbaits tend to fish better on a slower, moderately tapered rod. That slower action aides in the deflection of cover and the bottom elements - the key piece to getting bit on a crankbait. I personally prefer graphite for cranking, as it is light and transits information about what you're bumping into better than glass. Glass does a have a very special recovery from deflection, and for this reason, many prefer it.

Boomstick reply :

On 8/28/2017 at 10:35 PM, J Francho said:

I would not combine those baits. Spinnerbaits and chatterbaits have a large, barbed hook. You want at least a fast or extra fast taper to quickly drive that big hook home. The good thing about this type of rod, it can usually also be used for topwater, buzzbaits, and rip/jerk baits. Crankbaits tend to fish better on a slower, moderately tapered rod. That slower action aides in the deflection of cover and the bottom elements - the key piece to getting bit on a crankbait. I personally prefer graphite for cranking, as it is light and transits information about what you're bumping into better than glass. Glass does a have a very special recovery from deflection, and for this reason, many prefer it.

That is what I thought too about the hook set -- the hook practically sets itself on my braid on my MH rod!. But a few people have mentioned they do use their glass rod for spinnerbaits too, if it worked decently then I could kill two birds in one stone nicely here. I'm currently using my M/F spinning rod with 12lb line for crankbaits but I want to throw braid on that too to remove line twist.

Dobyns advertises the Champion glass rod as cranks and spinnerbaits even.

J Francho reply :

Braid does not remove the twist, it's just that braid doesn't reveal the twist like single filament lines. Instead of loops on the spool, you end up with something called "wind knots" with braid. The fix for either is to troll out the line, with no bait on it for a few hundred yards, and then reel in using pressure on the line between your fingers.

Boomstick reply :

Well you are right but you know what I mean -- I never have problems on braid with line and while I occasionally experience line twist issues, I very rarely get wind knots.

J Francho reply :

It's fairly uncommon, but not unusual. Just know what's up, if it happens. Took me a couple frustrating outings many years ago to figure out what was happening. The fix was simple, thankfully.

bugbee77 reply :

They aren't sensitive or particularly light, but I love throwing those type of baits on my *** *** black 2s. They have a really long transition point from tip to backbone that make them great for spinner and chatterbaits. Also, they guides on them are solid and haven't bent despite my rough treatment. I have a 7'1M and 7'3MH and both work just fine.

J Francho reply :

On 8/28/2017 at 11:28 PM, bugbee77 said:

They have a really long transition point from tip to backbone that make them great for spinner and chatterbaits.

I'm curious as what about this property that makes them great for those two baits?

bugbee77 reply :

On 8/28/2017 at 11:32 PM, J Francho said:

I'm curious as what about this property that makes them great for those two baits?

Well on most cheaper rods when you have something on them you can see a point on the rod that is flexing more than the rest of the rod. this is the transition point between the tip and backbone. A rod that has a long transition point loads up really well when fishing resistance baits and once you get a bite its easy to use the backbone for a sweeping hookset.

Edit: It is somewhat like a moderate action on the rod but with more backbone to it. Anyways, those *** Black 2s are great for resistance baits

Scarborough817 reply :

i use a glass rod for both my bladed jigs and spinnerbaits and absolutely love it i caught 4 fish on spinnerbaits this weekend and had no problem with the hook penetrating. i feel with an open hook they should be thrown on a more moderate rod so you don't rip a huge hole in the fishes mouth. it also helps with feeling the vibration of the bait a lot more.

spinnerbaits and squarebills are on a 7'0" mh/m daiwa ballistic

bladed jigs and lipless cranks are on a 7'3" m/m abu garcia ike

Boomstick reply :

On 8/29/2017 at 12:16 AM, Scarborough817 said:

i use a glass rod for both my bladed jigs and spinnerbaits

spinnerbaits and squarebills are on a 7'0" mh/m daiwa ballistic

bladed jigs and lipless cranks are on a 7'3" m/m abu garcia ike

While I figure I'd use my current rod for bladed jigs 99% the time, if a glass rod could handle them decently that would be a nice plus as well, say I wanted to rig up a bladed jig and a frog or the like.

Scarborough817 reply :

On 8/29/2017 at 12:18 AM, Boomstick said:

While I figure I'd use my current rod for bladed jigs 99% the time, if a glass rod could handle them decently that would be a nice plus as well, say I wanted to rig up a bladed jig and a frog or the like.

i would be looking at something more moderate for cranks a fast action rod generally isn't the best. something in the 7'-7'3" range is good then you can test both of your rods for whatever baits you want.

Boomstick reply :

On 8/29/2017 at 12:20 AM, Scarborough817 said:

i would be looking at something more moderate for cranks a fast action rod generally isn't the best. something in the 7'-7'3" range is good then you can test both of your rods for whatever baits you want.

I think you missed it but I said bladed jigs not cranks. I guess I did put that in my requirements although I throw a spinnerbait far more often, so I'm really hoping I can use the glass rod for spinnerbaits. If it doesn't work for chatterbaits, that's an acceptable loss to me.

I am pretty sure I can fit 7'2" (based on having 2" to spare on a 7' rod) but I won't be able to fit anything much longer in my car without sticking it out the window, which is not a good idea.

Scarborough817 reply :

On 8/29/2017 at 12:39 AM, Boomstick said:

I think you missed it but I said bladed jigs not cranks. I guess I did put that in my requirements although I throw a spinnerbait far more often, so I'm really hoping I can use the glass rod for spinnerbaits. If it doesn't work for chatterbaits, that's an acceptable loss to me.

i did i just forgot that in my reply. you will get multiple opinions on this so they only way to know is to try for yourself, i know that probably isn't the answer you're looking for but from my personal experience i have found no issues fishing a spinnerbait or a bladed jig on a glass rod it's actually quite the opposite i have had a better hookup ratio because of it. an added bonus is a moderate action glass rod should have no issue handling crankbaits either.

i think most people fish blade jigs like a jig which i can't blame them for. In saying that myself as well as a few others like @Bluebasser86 fish bladed jigs like a squarebill more than a jig, now i'm not sure if he agrees with my thinking of a moderate action glass rod maybe he can speak to that himself.

Boomstick reply :

On 8/29/2017 at 12:53 AM, Scarborough817 said:

i did i just forgot that in my reply. you will get multiple opinions on this so they only way to know is to try for yourself, i know that probably isn't the answer you're looking for but from my personal experience i have found no issues fishing a spinnerbait or a bladed jig on a glass rod it's actually quite the opposite i have had a better hookup ratio because of it. an added bonus is a moderate action glass rod should have no issue handling crankbaits either.

This is probably the best answer I could have hoped to look for to be honest. My challenge seems to be getting the fish to bite in the first place but once they bite I rarely lose them. Same goes when I had mono on my reel. I caught the largest bass (20" smallie) of my life on a spinnerbait on Friday and it bit it so fast on the first cast of the day I didn't even get a good hookset but I still got him. I did get a few very weak bites this past week when camping too, but I don't think any gear could have landed those to be honest, or even a second trailer hook.

I very well might give it a go. I just need to decide if I want another 6.3:1 reel or a 7.3:1 reel (and use my 6.3 with the glass rod of course)

Scarborough817 reply :

On 8/29/2017 at 1:07 AM, Boomstick said:

This is probably the best answer I could have hoped to look for to be honest. My challenge seems to be getting the fish to bite in the first place but once they bite I rarely lose them. Same goes when I had mono on my reel. I caught the largest bass (20" smallie) of my life on a spinnerbait on Friday and it bit it so fast on the first cast of the day I didn't even get a good hookset but I still got him. I did get a few very weak bites this past week when camping too, but I don't think any gear could have landed those to be honest, or even a second trailer hook.

I very well might give it a go. I just need to decide if I want another 6.3:1 reel or a 7.3:1 reel (and use my 6.3 with the glass rod of course)

i would go with a 7.3:1 and spool it with braid for the fog rod

Boomstick reply :

On 8/29/2017 at 1:08 AM, Scarborough817 said:

i would go with a 7.3:1 and spool it with braid for the fog rod

I'm thinking the same. I'll fish a lot of swim and pitching jigs and frogs on that. Of course I may still throw spinnerbaits or chatterbaits on that rod as well from time to time too, and I can burn em that way.

RichF reply :

I'm a big fan of glass for spinnerbaits and bladed jigs. However, I wouldn't necessarily throw cranks on the same glass rod I'd throw bladed jigs on. A medium heavy glass rod would be decent for both though.

J Francho reply :

On 8/28/2017 at 11:55 PM, bugbee77 said:

Well on most cheaper rods when you have something on them you can see a point on the rod that is flexing more than the rest of the rod.

It doesn't sound like you understand tapers and speed ratings. We have several articles and videos that explain this aspect. Here is a image for reference. An X-fast taper doesn't mean a rod is cheaper. It's a different taper for different purposes. I have no idea how a slower action rod would benefit driving a large, single fixed hook home. You feel the strike, you set the hook. Anything that delays that results in a missed fish, in my book. Sure, throwing any bait might be nicer on a slower rod, but that slowness isn't going to improve on the hook up and catching part, which matters most.

roadwarrior reply :

Boomstick reply :

On 8/29/2017 at 1:41 AM, roadwarrior said:

I was initially considering adding a simple M/M or M/MF rod until this past week actually. Kind of leaning towards glass now.

Turkey sandwich reply :

I have a MH MF Aetos that is a phenomenal spinnerbait/bladed jig rod. It's also way faster than most MF rated rods. I also wouldn't throw crankbaits on it in most conditions for the same reasons @J Francho mentioned.

LxVE Bassin reply :

I have thrown my chatterbaits on a medium heavy graphite rod with a moderate fast taper. I just ordered a glass rod to replace it. I like a more moderate taper with chatterbaits. I don't see the need for an aggressive hooks set and the sweeping action works just fine for me.

Jason Penn reply :

this thread has hit on a subject that has been kind of interesting to me. i was always a firm believer in mod action for spinnerbaits, although everyone seemed to think (4-5 years ago) you need a fast or ex-fast action. i seemed to have way less trouble losing fish than with fast action rods. the hook seems to pierce instead of rip.

i've never caught a fish on a chatterbait (all wood, no grass in my area) but seems like most people think a glass rod is the way to go for these. to me, they seem to be fished basically moving like a spinnerbait...maybe i've fished them wrong?

now with that being said, i've switched over to a med power/fast action for spinnerbaits vs a mh/mod. i seem to get a tad bit slower reaction and a good deep bend on hooksets, but the rod is more suited for using with topwaters as well.

Bluebasser86 reply :

I fish bladed jigs a ton, and I throw them on a 6' 9" H/F with 17lb Pline Xtra Strong and a 6.2 reel. I don't buy into the need for a slower rod so you don't take the bait away from the fish. If a fish wants to eat it, they'll eat it. I have tons of pictures of baits down a fish's throat fishing them on MH/F and H/F rods. I tried the composite and glass rods to see if I was missing something, only thing I missed was a ton of fish when I changed. The rod I'm using now is by Hammer Rods. Although it's a H/F, it has a very parabolic bend and has been an excellent rod for the job.

My cranking rods are glass or composite.

nocluefisher reply :

Dobyns lists this rods for the exact use you are looking for

http://dobynsrods.com/store/#!/DC-736CB-GLASS-labeled-DC-735CB-GLASS/p/78078711/category=22175368

Boomstick reply :

On 8/30/2017 at 9:24 PM, nocluefisher said:

Dobyns lists this rods for the exact use you are looking for

http://dobynsrods.com/store/#!/DC-736CB-GLASS-labeled-DC-735CB-GLASS/p/78078711/category=22175368

I actually thought about that rod too but I hear the Daiwa has a little more backbone to it as well, and I can get it cheaper as well.

This review makes me think I will be fine as it shows the Tatula glass rod is quite a bit stiffer than most glass rods.

http://tackletour.com/reviewdaiwatat721mhrbg.html

Boomstick reply :

On 8/31/2017 at 12:42 AM, WRB said:

To summarize this thread we gone from a angler who didn't know the difference between a baitcasting and a spinning rod, who mounted Daiwa BG series spinning reels on Loomis and St Croix baitcasting rods fishing with a bobber for bluegills. Now we are debating materials and specific use rod actions and going from highend Loomis and St Croix to mid price point point Daiwa Tatula E glass rods while disregarding Dobyns rods.

Tom

I'm confused, who didn't know the difference between a casting and a spinning rod? Who mounted a BG reel on a Loomis or St croix rod (or even mentioned either of those brands)? Did you cross two threads here, or are referring to another thread somewhere else, or just making stuff up?

Also, I'm not totally disregarding Dobyns rods either, but it's a $55 price point difference which puts me a bit above what I have to spend.

WRB reply :

On 8/31/2017 at 12:50 AM, Boomstick said:

I'm confused, who didn't know the difference between a casting and a spinning rod? Who mounted a BG reel on a Loomis or St croix rod (or even mentioned either of those brands)? Did you cross two threads here, or are referring to another thread somewhere else, or just making stuff up?

Also, I'm not totally disregarding Dobyns rods either, but it's a $55 price point difference which puts me a bit above what I have to spend.

My mistake, got this mixed up with another thread spinning reel on baitcasting rod.

Tom

Boomstick reply :

On 8/31/2017 at 12:58 AM, WRB said:

My mistake, got this mixed up with another thread spinning reel on baitcasting rod.

Tom

No problem. I'm sure I've done that before too. That probably would be the ultimate troll by the OP though

J Francho reply :

On 8/31/2017 at 12:58 AM, WRB said:

My mistake, got this mixed up with another thread spinning reel on baitcasting rod.

Tom

That thread was interesting, to say the least.

WRB reply :

OK, I read this thread trying to determine what the discussion was about.

I agree with Franco regarding hook sets with heavy wire jig hooks used on both Chatterbait and spinnerbait. Yes, the braid can help overcome the rods flexing depending on hook setting technique, it still requires enough force to drive the hook point past the barb.

The reason I like moderate action crankbait rods for crankbaits is twofold; the softer upper rod tip allows the line movement to vibrate the rod tip to indicate the action lure is working, if it stops a bass or weed has changed the lures action and the softer rod helps to prevent hooks from tearing out when the bass is near the boat on a short line.

You can and I have used a glass crankbait rod for spinnerbaits, but it's not ideal.

Tom

Boomstick reply :

On 8/31/2017 at 3:36 AM, WRB said:

You can and I have used a glass crankbait rod for spinnerbaits, but it's not ideal.

Tom

I guess this is that gray area here. Really, if I as much find it passable on a glass rod, I'll be happy, and if I end up being one of those people who likes glass for spinnerbaits, I'd be thrilled. I believe the Daiwa and Dobyns rods (my top two choices) have a little more backbone as well than your typical glass rods.

WRB reply :

On 8/31/2017 at 4:17 AM, Boomstick said:

I guess this is that gray area here. Really, if I as much find it passable on a glass rod, I'll be happy, and if I end up being one of those people who likes glass for spinnerbaits, I'd be thrilled. I believe the Daiwa and Dobyns rods (my top two choices) have a little more backbone as well than your typical glass rods.

You can always call Gary Dobyns and get his thoughts on how his glass rods would perform. We say glass but it's really glass composite or E glass, not your typical tubular glass rod.

Tom

J Francho reply :

On 8/31/2017 at 4:17 AM, Boomstick said:

I guess this is that gray area here. Really, if I as much find it passable on a glass rod, I'll be happy, and if I end up being one of those people who likes glass for spinnerbaits, I'd be thrilled.

You might be a fan of casting them with this type of rod, but some of the spinnerbait and chatterbait experts have weighed in, and said catching is another story. Yet you've made your choice. You'll catch fish, but it won't be problem free.

RichF reply :

I bought the Dobyns Champion 736 glass rod earlier this year for bladed jigs...it works great. Before that, I was using a 7ft Heavy glass Powell Max for bladed jigs...it worked great. Some people like glass, others don't. There's no right or wrong, just what works for you.

Bulletman20XD reply :

Just as there is a "Happy Medium" with reels (6.2:1 or so) there is a Happy Medium with rods. Many rod companies now sell what they are calling a General Purpose rod. These usually range around 6' 6"-7' MH with a MF-F tip. As you seem to generally just what I call "Fun Fishing" and don't have a single rod for every technique, you're limited on space fishing from a small boat or for whatever reason. These would suit you just fine.

Boomstick reply :

So I ended up getting a Tatula Glass rod at a great price. If I don't like it, I could probably sell it for what I paid for it, so I figure I'll give it a shot. At the very least I should get a nice rod for crankbaits, and that will be nice with fall rapidly approaching.

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