Braid to fluorocarbon leader best small knot 2024
ATA reply :
Yes I know it is old topic, but I am really getting crazy, everyone saying something, I am almost in point that I am going to buy same combo as I have and put straight flour, and other one straight braid.
Please put the FG knot aside due to hard(almost impossible) way to tie. I got this few as best smaller profile:
albright knot(in my idea slipped easy).
dodd knot(In my idea is my best choice).
GT knot( in my idea bulky)
please someone help me which one stronger and more compact, or is there any other knot that I am missing?
picture: Dodd knot (50lb braid 17lb Flouro).
Hartwood71 reply :
Alberto knot is a good knot. Easy, strong. Just don’t get lazy with wraps.
Btw, I love the taper on the Dodd knot for moving through guides.
haggard reply :
I recommend the Alberto. I just re-learned it yesterday because I was looking for a knot to tie braid main line to a mono leader and something simple enough to tie again in the field if needed. Had no issues with strength or slippage. The braid wraps constrict around the leader as you pull the two lines to tighten things down.
ike8120 reply :
Alberto or double Uni
garroyo130 reply :
On 2/23/2020 at 9:05 PM, ike8120 said:double Uni
Easiest to tie and works well enough.
I may be blind but it also looks like youre applying zap a gap to your knot? if you are then tie whatevers easiest and go fish!
Beam reply :
I normally use the uni to uni but have recently tried the slim beauty and it works well. Fast knot to tie.
NHBull reply :
if ia am not using the FG or PR it is uni-uni. I have never had a break at the knot
J._Bricker reply :
I agree with everyone on the Alberto knot @ATA, even though the FG knot is probably better it’s a bear to learn. I found these or something similar is extremely helpful preventing line cuts when using braid.
https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Daiichi_Seiko_Finger_Saver_Knot_Tying_Tool/descpage-DSFSK.html
waymont reply :
You want the smallest knot but won’t take the time to learn the FG? I assure you it is possible to tie it. Just spend some time with it, practice.
NittyGrittyBoy reply :
Another vote Alberto
Fishin Dad reply :
On 2/23/2020 at 10:09 PM, waymont said:You want the smallest knot but won’t take the time to learn the FG? I assure you it is possible to tie it. Just spend some time with it, practice.
I agree that with the internet videos out there, the FG is totally possible, but the Alberto is another solid knot that I use a lot as well. Easy and fast to tie and also small and strong.
WI_Angler1989 reply :
I use a double Uni with no issues. It's easy to tie, is super strong and fairly low profile. I do use "lighter" line fishing for smallmouth: 10-15# braid and 8# fluoro, so there's not a lot of line to bulk it up anyway.
NathanDLTH reply :
FG or Blood knot. Only ever had one fail.
evilcatfish reply :
I’m a big fan of the surgeons knot. Small enough, strong, and easy to tie.
Bassjam2000 reply :
Crazy Alberto for me, 5 up 5 back, through the loop twice, then hit it with a rizzuto finish and a dab of super glue.
Born 2 fish reply :
Crazy Alberto for me also
ATA reply :
On 2/23/2020 at 9:52 PM, J._Bricker said:I agree with everyone on the Alberto knot @ATA, even though the FG knot is probably better it’s a bear to learn. I found these or something similar is extremely helpful preventing line cuts when using braid.
https://www.tacklewarehouse.com/Daiichi_Seiko_Finger_Saver_Knot_Tying_Tool/descpage-DSFSK.html
Thank you for the help, I got the tool already.
On 2/23/2020 at 10:09 PM, waymont said:You want the smallest knot but won’t take the time to learn the FG? I assure you it is possible to tie it. Just spend some time with it, practice.
Sounds like FG is really winner, Thanks for suggestion, there is FG knot tool out there as well, maybe it can help. but they are very pricy.
On 2/23/2020 at 9:29 PM, garroyo130 said:Easiest to tie and works well enough.
I may be blind but it also looks like youre applying zap a gap to your knot? if you are then tie whatevers easiest and go fish!
I didn't try to apply anything, I was just practicing it on 3AM in bed 
On 2/23/2020 at 9:37 PM, Beam said:I normally use the uni to uni but have recently tried the slim beauty and it works well. Fast knot to tie.
it is like improved GT knot which I am using now, thanks
ATA reply :
On 2/24/2020 at 12:04 AM, evilcatfish said:I’m a big fan of the surgeons knot. Small enough, strong, and easy to tie.
Follow by suggestion, I did surgeons knot, very easy to do, a bit not in shape, so I don't know how it feels passing the guides, how strong is it? is it failed you ever?
On 2/24/2020 at 12:04 AM, evilcatfish said:I’m a big fan of the surgeons knot. Small enough, strong, and easy to tie.
over knot is surgeon knot, can say is smaller.
MickD reply :
For those having trouble with the FG, the biggest issue I had with tying it was that the braid would slip out of my teeth before I got the knot done. I solved it with one of those little brightly colored reformable ties, sort of like a thick twist tie. Sit in a chair, fasten the tie to your belt loop, wrap the braid around it many times with the tension on it, then make the knot basically in your lap. Far enough from the old eyes to focus well, no slipping from the teeth, and with every weave you can feel it snap into position. About 20 weaves. Finish it as you prefer, but make sure to pull it really tight to set it.
A well tied FG, taken apart, will display the FC deformed by the braid seriously. If you don't see that, you're not setting it well enough, or not tying it tightly enough to allow you to set it.
I admit, not a piece of cake, but this method is the best way I've found to tie a reliable FG.
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
Now I don’t use 50lb braid to 17lb mono leader, most typical rig is 10-15lb braid to 6-8lb leader. I always use uni to uni knot so far no problem.
I now have slice problem with my UL rig with 4-6 lb Nanofil to top shot 4-6lb leader (8-10’) which double uni knot hit the guide on my super micro guide (SUL rod) from time to time. I was thinking about switch to crazy Alberto knot so I compare between both. CA doesn’t really look smaller than DU knot for light line. What do you think? Picture below, the neat one (top) CA knot bottom DU knot, 15lb braid to 8lb leader.
ATA reply :
On 2/24/2020 at 7:44 AM, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:Now I don’t use 50lb braid to 17lb mono leader, most typical rig is 10-15lb braid to 6-8lb leader. I always use uni to uni knot so far no problem.
I now have slice problem with my UL rig with 4-6 lb Nanofil to top shot 4-6lb leader (8-10’) which double uni knot hit the guide on my super micro guide (SUL rod) from time to time. I was thinking about switch to crazy Alberto knot so I compare between both. CA doesn’t really look smaller than DU knot for light line. What do you think? Picture below, the neat one (top) CA knot bottom DU knot, 15lb braid to 8lb leader.
lower one look more compact, and if you pay attention it is bullet shape to pass true guide easier on casting(same as Dodd knot).
I am using 50 to 17 for sake of practice, but really im using 20lb braidmaxquatro and 16 shooter 100 on my everything combo(world shall and metanium), and 65 max and 16 fc shooter on my frog combo(set Croix XH and Revo Beast).
txchaser reply :
On 2/24/2020 at 4:55 AM, ATA said:On 2/23/2020 at 10:09 PM, waymont said:
Sounds like FG is really winner
yup
On 2/24/2020 at 6:21 AM, MickD said:fasten the tie to your belt loo
this! - belt loop or your reel handle and it gets 50% easier. The mouth thing is nuts.
Barring that, 6-turn surgeon knot is fast, not giant, and at least one test on another site suggested it was next behind the FG in terms of strength. Apparently the extra turns make a difference on braid to mono/flouro strength, probably because of slippage.
FryDog62 reply :
FG knot is the thinnest - UNTIL you tie the hitch knots at the end. Look at it closely, the hitch knots are a lot bulkier and tick against that guides a lot more than the rest of the knot. When you take this into account, other knots like the Crazy Alberto are actually thinner and very strong.
ATA reply :
On 2/24/2020 at 12:26 PM, txchaser said:yup
this! - belt loop or your reel handle and it gets 50% easier. The mouth thing is nuts.
Barring that, 6-turn surgeon knot is fast, not giant, and at least one test on another site suggested it was next behind the FG in terms of strength. Apparently the extra turns make a difference on braid to mono/flouro strength, probably because of slippage.
thats interesting that they put surgeon knot next FG knot. Thanks For information
I improved tieing the Dodd knot and compare to another knot, is really smaller , just I really cant find any review on strength, I think I need to try it by myself, you can see the difference in both Dodd knot in picture, the one bullet shape and small is after few hours of practice.
with respect to FG knot voters, I really cant do it, specially when you are out on bank or boat, so I am still between Alberto and Dodd and surge knot 
Tim Kelly reply :
FG really isn't that hard to learn if you're motivated. I use it for nearly everything. The only exception is when fishing light. 0.4PE braid to a 3 or 4lb leader gets a GT knot (the figure eight leader with a uni knot version) as the light leader tag end at 90 degrees to the knot doesn't have much effect going through the guides. It's a strong enough knot and quicker to tie.
Yumeya reply :
FG all day unless I'm ice fishing, that's when I will use a Albright knot, it never slips on me....
MickD reply :
The Alberto is definitely a smaller knot than the double uni which has 5 thicknesses of the the FC, which is usually very much thicker than the braid. I don't believe the FG is bigger than the Alberto even with the half hitches. They are tied onto the braid, not the FC. Regardless, it goes through the guides cleaner than any other knot I've found. And it doesn't unravel like the Albertos sometimes do (with me) . I know the Alberto works fine for most, but not for me when snapping small swimbaits off the bottom.
MickD reply :
On 2/24/2020 at 12:26 PM, txchaser said:probably because of slippage.
I assure you, a properly tied FG will not fail by slipping or unraveling. I think the failure will be in the FC leader.
king fisher reply :
The FG knot is easy to tie just takes practice. There are many ways to tie it, and I have tried almost all of them. Look on Yu tube, and find the the way that works best for you. I use the FG mostly for salt water fishing. Large leader makes a slim knot more important than when using most bass size leaders. Alberto is my go to with smaller leader. Very slim and strong. There are some tricks to the Alberto. One is to trim the leader end as short as possible. This keeps the tag end from catching on the main line eventually weakening it. The other is making sure all the raps slide down the knot as far as possible. There are some good videos on the internet showing the correct way to tie the Alberto, while also showing the common mistakes. I learned the hard way, and wish I would have watched the videos. Double Uni is a good knot, that I used to brag about all the time, not as big a uni fan as I once was.
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