Al Lindner - Daiwa? 2024
Big-Bass reply :
Is this a new partnership with Daiwa? Just watching the show today and noticed it. It was using Tatula's on St. Croix Legend Glass rods.
Darren. reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 4:32 AM, Big-Bass said:Is this a new partnership with Daiwa? Just watching the show today and noticed it. It was using Tatula's on St. Croix Legend Glass rods.
Just looked at their web site and yep, they're now with Daiwa.
http://anglingedge.com/sponsors/
I remember when they were with Shimano and Shimano made
the best reels in the world. Then they went back to Quantum and
Quantum made the best... Now I suppose Daiwa makes the best,
LOL. The almighty dollar speaks! Can't blame them, it's how they
make a living...
Jeff H reply :
When were they with Shimano?
Team9nine reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 4:55 AM, Jeff H said:When were they with Shimano?
Jumped from Shimano to Quantum toward the end of the 2010 season - on board in 2011 with Quantum. New partnership with Daiwa just started several months back.
-T9
smalljaw67 reply :
When they were with In-Fisherman they used Quantum, then they switched to Shimano for a few years. After Shimano they went back to Quantum and now it seems to be Daiwa, and yes, I'm with Darren 100%, whoever shells out the most money has the best according to the "never lie" Al Lindner. But then again, when it comes to money I guess God can forgive Al for spreading some small "white lies".
S. Sass reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 6:55 AM, smalljaw67 said:I'm with Darren 100%, whoever shells out the most money has the best according to the "never lie" Al Lindner. But then again, when it comes to money I guess God can forgive Al for spreading some small "white lies".
That can be said and has been said about any sponsorship. If the sponsor is paying enough they can do no wrong. Happens every day all the way to the top of politics.
This was and is my concern with YouTube folks that go from down to earth honest discussions / reviews of products to making it a business taking sponsorship money and want to claim how they are still straight shooters while piling the sponsor bucks and gear in their truck. Hence as you say, "when it comes to money I guess God can forgive <insert name here> for spreading some small "white lies"." The facts and reality tell anyone with a brain how quickly loyalty changes when you introduce enough $. Give me enough $ I might not divulge a reel is slightly inferior as I smile and fish with the free supply of tackle the sponsor provided. 
I won't lie about it but that doesn't mean I have to tell you its better or worse than product A. 
kickerfish1 reply :
Same goes for KVD and Quantum. Companies know who the popular and likeable faces out there are. They know that to some folks and especially to younger or less experienced anglers, that they will often buy something because they noticed a certain pro or well know angler was using it. I recall many years ago buying some lures, line, and fishing rods because I noticed they were being used on a fishing show that I liked. As I have grown older I have came to the realization that unless I am being given something for free and being paid to promote it I am better off making decisions based upon my own research rather than what pro anglers use.
For guys like Aaron Martens who switched from Megabass to Inigma it wasn't anything to do with believing that Inigma was a superior product but rather everything to do with money.
If I was someone with a big time YouTube channel, a Fishing Show, or a Pro Angler I would use whatever my sponsors gave me and paid me to use. If I felt their products were costing me money than I would either look for new sponsors or just not have a sponsor for that particular part of fishing (IE. Rod, Reel, or Line) and just pay for whatever I needed out of pocket.
Big-Bass reply :
Well said...I was always surprised by their dedication to sponsorship to Quantum from the 80s through the 2000s and then again in the late 2000s/2010s. They (the Lindners) may even frequent this site and read these posts as a member or guest which might give them a good laugh as we jest over why they choose what they choose. I can see Shimano and Daiwa since I feel that their product line generally surpasses other manufacturers but again, that is up to who is paying who and products being brought to market. I get that marketing and promotion of products is important but I think it is interesting that they are now with St. Croix and Daiwa; two very traditional and standard, yet innovative brands.
Jeff H reply :
Well, God Bless their every effort!
Love the St. Croix/Daiwa connection!
hoosierbass07 reply :
So they follow the money all the while giving a little Bible message at the end of the show. lol. Hypocrites. Still, I like more than dislike their show even though I get a little infuriated with the religious message at the end.
cottny27 reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 9:27 AM, hoosierbass07 said:So they follow the money all the while giving a little Bible message at the end of the show. lol. Hypocrites. Still, I like more than dislike their show even though I get a little infuriated with the religious message at the end.
Yes, when did the religious stuff start?
FryDog62 reply :
I do think when Daiwa introduced the SV concept they did become the superior reel, so yeah I would say it and take the money too.... but what happens when Shimano moves ahead in a few years with some other new technology 
hoosierbass07 reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 9:37 AM, cottny27 said:Yes, when did the religious stuff start?
I've been watching the show for a few years and at the end of the show Al gives an inspirational message often quoting the Bible. He did an episode where he basically said if you don't like it then don't watch. Fair enough.
ww2farmer reply :
Let me file this right here in the big stack of...................things I could care less about.
Money Talks....The #1 reason a TV fishing show exists is to sell product. Teaching is secondary. How else do you think these guys are able to afford traveling around and producing these shows..............it ain't by putting duct tape over the logos of everything they use on screen.
Some keep the hocking of the wears to a bare minimum, some do it in a cartoonish over the top manner.
I have always found the Lindner's on what ever progrum they were on to strike a good balance of sales pitching and teaching.
Jagg reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 12:45 PM, ww2farmer said:Let me file this right here in the big stack of...................things I could care less about.
Money Talks....The #1 reason a TV fishing show exists is to sell product. Teaching is secondary. How else do you think these guys are able to afford traveling around and producing these shows..............it ain't by putting duct tape over the logos of everything they use on screen.
Some keep the hocking of the wears to a bare minimum, some do it in a cartoonish over the top manner.
I have always found the Lindner's on what ever progrum they were on to strike a good balance of sales pitching and teaching.
Pretty much. Christians can't make money?
smalljaw67 reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 7:54 AM, kickerfish1 said:Same goes for KVD and Quantum. Companies know who the popular and likeable faces out there are. They know that to some folks and especially to younger or less experienced anglers, that they will often buy something because they noticed a certain pro or well know angler was using it. I recall many years ago buying some lures, line, and fishing rods because I noticed they were being used on a fishing show that I liked. As I have grown older I have came to the realization that unless I am being given something for free and being paid to promote it I am better off making decisions based upon my own research rather than what pro anglers use.
For guys like Aaron Martens who switched from Megabass to Inigma it wasn't anything to do with believing that Inigma was a superior product but rather everything to do with money.
If I was someone with a big time YouTube channel, a Fishing Show, or a Pro Angler I would use whatever my sponsors gave me and paid me to use. If I felt their products were costing me money than I would either look for new sponsors or just not have a sponsor for that particular part of fishing (IE. Rod, Reel, or Line) and just pay for whatever I needed out of pocket.
I agree with you on this but I wouldn't bring KVD into the mix and I'll tell you why. That guy is loyal and money be damned, I read an article about 7 or 8 years ago and I can't remember the name of it. Anyway, they were doing a segment about sponsorships and KVD has had the same boat sponsor as well as rod and reel sponsor that he started with since he became pro. It doesn't sound like a lot but according to the writer, KVD has turned down offers from every other boat manufacturer who offered more money and stayed with Nitro and he also said he was approached by every single big name lure and tackle maker with most offers exceeding what he gets now. Most other anglers I would not believe because I watched Ike, Reese, and Martens just to name a few, switch long time sponsorships without blinking an eye while KVD is still with SK and Quantum and you know that there are others in the tackle game with deeper pockets, at least on the rod and reel side. Every other angler is the same though, if the money is right they will sell you vinegar and claim it is sweeter than sugar.
OkobojiEagle reply :
A revolving door of hyped tackle but bass are still being caught, hmmm... maybe it's not about the tackle?
"An ounce of biology is worth a pound of tackle", Dick Bengraf
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WIGuide reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 5:53 PM, smalljaw67 said:
I agree with you on this but I wouldn't bring KVD into the mix and I'll tell you why. That guy is loyal and money be damned, I read an article about 7 or 8 years ago and I can't remember the name of it. Anyway, they were doing a segment about sponsorships and KVD has had the same boat sponsor as well as rod and reel sponsor that he started with since he became pro. It doesn't sound like a lot but according to the writer, KVD has turned down offers from every other boat manufacturer who offered more money and stayed with Nitro and he also said he was approached by every single big name lure and tackle maker with most offers exceeding what he gets now. Most other anglers I would not believe because I watched Ike, Reese, and Martens just to name a few, switch long time sponsorships without blinking an eye while KVD is still with SK and Quantum and you know that there are others in the tackle game with deeper pockets, at least on the rod and reel side. Every other angler is the same though, if the money is right they will sell you vinegar and claim it is sweeter than sugar.
Although this is true, you have to remember that KVD has put himself in a position to do this. The man is an incredible fisherman and has made a bunch of money off his fishing career. He hasn't had to worry about how much his sponsors are paying him. With his success, he also hasn't had to worry about sponsors wanting to drop him simply because he isn't relevant enough anymore. There are so many of those pro's that may start out with sponsorships they really want to have and believe in, but that company chooses to part ways because said angler is no longer bringing enough of a return. That has happen with a lot of the older guys. When they started they were with a company for most of their career, but then the company decides to replace them with someone up and coming. For tournament anglers something like that is crippling since the price to play is so high. If someone drops you, unless you have a ton of sponsors, you need to fill that gap or else that part of the price to play is coming out of your pocket.
thunderblack reply :
I do not think Al changing brands is a big deal at all. They have to make a living and they have a great show. They are very loyal to the brands they have been with and things change sometimes. I also think its awesome these guys are christians and share their faith at the end of the show. They practice what they preach and in no way are hypocrites.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
Most here seem to think its the Linders jumping brand to brand for the $$$. Maybe the Brand company is getting short on $$$ needs to cutback and didnt want to pay for sponsorship anymore.
FryDog62 reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 5:53 PM, smalljaw67 said:
I agree with you on this but I wouldn't bring KVD into the mix and I'll tell you why. That guy is loyal and money be damned, I read an article about 7 or 8 years ago and I can't remember the name of it. Anyway, they were doing a segment about sponsorships and KVD has had the same boat sponsor as well as rod and reel sponsor that he started with since he became pro. It doesn't sound like a lot but according to the writer, KVD has turned down offers from every other boat manufacturer who offered more money and stayed with Nitro and he also said he was approached by every single big name lure and tackle maker with most offers exceeding what he gets now. Most other anglers I would not believe because I watched Ike, Reese, and Martens just to name a few, switch long time sponsorships without blinking an eye while KVD is still with SK and Quantum and you know that there are others in the tackle game with deeper pockets, at least on the rod and reel side. Every other angler is the same though, if the money is right they will sell you vinegar and claim it is sweeter than sugar.
If you think about - at the time KVD became loyal to Nitro and Quantum they were not top-tier brands (and some would argue they still aren't). Yet he stayed with them over the years in a sport where the difference from first place to 10th can be minimal. Now that is some serious brand loyalty IMO...
Scott F reply :
On 12/28/2016 at 7:59 AM, FryDog62 said:
If you think about - at the time KVD became loyal to Nitro and Quantum they were not top-tier brands (and some would argue they still aren't). Yet he stayed with them over the years in a sport where the difference from first place to 10th can be minimal. Now that is some serious brand loyalty IMO...
Where is this list of "top tier" brands published? Who determines what is a top tier brand?
Columbia Craw reply :
One of the most dangerous words in the English language: Speculate
new2BC4bass reply :
On 12/28/2016 at 8:05 AM, Scott F said:
Where is this list of "top tier" brands published? Who determines what is a top tier brand?
The buying public? What is "top tier" to us (people reading and posting on forums) may not necessarily be the product that sells the most.....rods, reels, boats, etc. Zebco seldom gets mentioned on a fishing forum, but there are plenty of their reels being used. You seldom see Ugly Sticks mentioned here either...in a serious manner...but I've read they are the number one selling rod for saltwater use in Florida. Walk into a Walmart and tell me how many "top tier" rods and reels you see compared to what we consider to be a waste of money, yet Walmart has no problem selling thousands of them. Those of us fishing what we consider to be "top tier" are probably a minority although I think the Internet is bringing awareness to more and more people.
Spankey reply :
Fishing shows of today are no different than that of 35 years ago. The picture of HD and graphics are industry advancements but they are all set up to catch fisherman more so than to catch fish.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
I just turn the volume down and walk out during a commercial which is prob 20 mins of a 30min program
Jrob78 reply :
Are people really bothered by this? lmao
RoLo reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 4:48 AM, Darren. said:
Just looked at their web site and yep, they're now with Daiwa.
http://anglingedge.com/sponsors/
I remember when they were with Shimano and Shimano made
the best reels in the world. Then they went back to Quantum and
Quantum made the best... Now I suppose Daiwa makes the best,
LOL. The almighty dollar speaks! Can't blame them, it's how they
make a living...
During their infancy, Al used to push Skyline rods and Cardinal reels.
I got suckered into a combo, but didn't care for the rod or the reel.
I believe that was during the first year of In-Fisherman (75),
but may have been when Al was still writing for Fishing Facts.
Roger
RichF reply :
Maybe KVD has a "no-trade" clause in his contracts with SK, Nitro, and Quantum lol.
With regards to Al Linder, I'm sure money had something to do with the sponsor transition, it usually does, but...who cares? That's how he makes his living. I'd do it in a heartbeat. Let's be honest, 97% of fishing gear nowadays is pretty darn good when you hit a certain price point, regardless of brand/company. Since that's the case, the only reason for any professional angler to make a brand switch is $$. To me, it's no different from leaving one job for another that pays better. But seriously guys, a hypocrite and a liar? That's awfully harsh. Sure he's said that whatever brand he has worked for is great (er) (est), but how is that lying and/or hypocritical? All those brands actually do have really good stuff. And what brands are better than others is a completely subjective concept anyway. Saying Daiwa is better than Shimano or Quantum is neither true nor false because there's no actual objective truth to compare to.
Cut the guy some slack!
Jeff H reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 9:27 AM, hoosierbass07 said:...even though I get a little infuriated with the religious message at the end.
I like it and he's pretty darn good at it!
smalljaw67 reply :
On 12/29/2016 at 5:07 AM, RichF said:Maybe KVD has a "no-trade" clause in his contracts with SK, Nitro, and Quantum lol.
With regards to Al Linder, I'm sure money had something to do with the sponsor transition, it usually does, but...who cares? That's how he makes his living. I'd do it in a heartbeat. Let's be honest, 97% of fishing gear nowadays is pretty darn good when you hit a certain price point, regardless of brand/company. Since that's the case, the only reason for any professional angler to make a brand switch is $$. To me, it's no different from leaving one job for another that pays better. But seriously guys, a hypocrite and a liar? That's awfully harsh. Sure he's said that whatever brand he has worked for is great (er) (est), but how is that lying and/or hypocritical? All those brands actually do have really good stuff. And what brands are better than others is a completely subjective concept anyway. Saying Daiwa is better than Shimano or Quantum is neither true nor false because there's no actual objective truth to compare to.
Cut the guy some slack!
No tackle manufacturer is going to put a "no trade" clause in a pro staff contract. The reason being is a guy can get hot for a few seasons and then hit bottom and tackle companies want to move on, a no trade clause works both ways and is no real benefit to a sponsor if a guy isn't performing. Now, as for Al Lindner, I agree the word liar is harsh but hypocrite fits and I'll tell you why. I have a DVD in which he says that "Trigger X soft plastics are by far the best on the market" and I heard him say not long ago that Big Bite baits makes the best plastic an angler could want. Now, I wouldn't call that a lie but a man of God such as himself wouldn't mislead anyone intentionally would he???? I'm sure he is doing only what his sponsors require but at some point doesn't he need to say that "Brand A doesn't sponsor us anymore so we started using Brand B and we found it is just as good" ??? Instead of lying Al uses a thing politicians call "spin", it is when they do one thing but shift words to make it sound like something different, this is so nobody can say you lied but if you are a man of faith and know the difference then isn't that the same as a lie? I don't care one way or another but I just wanted to point out that they have a business to make money and spirituality really does come second because if it didn't, you would never hear how good any product is and it would just be about the fish but that doesn't sell product so spirituality be damned, there is money to be made.
RichF reply :
The "no trade" clause thing was kind of a joke. I'm also not sure I agree here. There are PLENTY of sponsored pros that have and retain sponsors regardless of their performance on the water. I actually don't think most companies even care as long as you still "work" for them, be it through advertising, speaking engagements, etc. Companies in the industry know how tournament fishing works. With the number of variables involved in fishing (luck being a big one) there's no way the pros could ever consistently perform at a dominant level. If sponsors dropped anglers because of their performance on the water the only guys that would have a shot at retaining anything would be KVD, Martens, Hack, Evers, and Morgan.
I'm not even a religious man and I still think it's just not right to question Al's faith and character based on what he says about fishing tackle. Has he caught a bunch of fish on Trigger-X baits? Yup, so have a bunch of other anglers. Big Bite Baits? Yup, so have a bunch of other anglers. Why would he need to say " Brand A doesn't sponsor us anymore so we started using Brand B and we found it is just as good" ? You can see it with your own two eyes. He's showed us all on national television that both baits can catch fish. Is he lying/spinning when he says one is the best on the market? Not at all. If there is no way to prove that Trigger-X is actually better than Big Bite Baits or vice versa (and there definitely isn't), then saying one is the best isn't a lie, it's simply a subjective opinion.
Hulkster reply :
Up here in Canada we have a well known fisherman named Bob Izumi and he was with Shimano for 20 years before changing to Abu last year. Money Talks.
SWMIBASSER reply :
On 12/27/2016 at 6:55 AM, smalljaw67 said:When they were with In-Fisherman they used Quantum, then they switched to Shimano for a few years. After Shimano they went back to Quantum and now it seems to be Daiwa, and yes, I'm with Darren 100%, whoever shells out the most money has the best according to the "never lie" Al Lindner. But then again, when it comes to money I guess God can forgive Al for spreading some small "white lies".
Well considering they fish top of the line stuff and things are updated regularly it probably isn't stretching that much to say "this is the best". Now I don't see Quantum competing with shimano especially on the higher end stuff but they may have gone the extra mile to provide them with things they felt made things much better.
Its not unreasonable to think they could have received new reels with modifications already in place.
I don't know maybe I'm just rambling in his defense at this point.
I know I would be willing to switch to dewalt tools and promote them for free tools and $$ for the work I do. I use Milwaukee and feel like their tools are superior but business is business
Flukeman reply :
I'm not going to knock anyone for getting any sponsorship in this economy. Especially when I don't know if the Sponsor moved on or the Pro or Show moved on. I make my gear decisions on my own research, I'm just glad there are sponsors out there so we can have shows to watch.
As far as hypocrite or liar: I do not fish Diawa, but one of my favorite Pros does. I watched Ehrler pound some fish on MLF events and the guy has racked up 2.5 million over the last 12 years. Pretty easy for me to say Diawa is the best.
The Angling Edge Show is my favorite show. Makes me laugh that people want to bash someone for their opinions changing, sponsors, or their religion. The rest of us do not care about your opinion on someones religion, we were all smart enough to remember our remote has buttons to change the channel at that point if we did not want to watch it. That's the great thing about America, choice!
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