What's The Word With The Dean Rojas/alton Jones Beef? 2024
airborne_angler reply :
Been hearing some stuff going about how Rojas criticized Jones in an interview for fishing his spot in a recent tourney.Apparently Rojas had some pretty harsh words aboutJones. Anyone hear about this or know where to find the Article/Video/interview online?
gripnrip reply :
On Alton's facebook page, he stated that it was a 1 mile area along a bank in a creek. From what I'm hearing is Dean sounded like a whiney punk. I haven't found the interview.
airborne_angler reply :
I heard something like Rojas making a comment about Alton being "Garbage"...now theres mud slinging, but that's just not cool.
Ima Bass Ninja reply :
On the bass master show Rojas was pretty brutal in his comments of Alton. He stated that Alton had not fished there before but Alton is saying he fished there all 4 days. Alton beat Rojas to the spot and rojas felt that Alton should not be there because Rojas was in the lead.
My take is if Alton had been fishing there the Rojas needs to quit crying and man up.
If Alton had not been fishing there and moved in on the last day then he should apologize to Rojas.
Regardless if either situation I don't think Rojas bashing Alton and calling him names on tv was a very professional.
MrSwimJig reply :
I saw that this morning and not sure of all the details but I thought Rojas was out of line making comments like that on tv.
tritonguy reply :
This is definitely an argument that should have been handled man to man. Not on ESPN.
gripnrip reply :
Apparently it was on the Bassmaster show on ESPN this morning. He called Alton a "snake". I did not see it nor have I found video. I did post to the BASS facebook page and put my 2 cents in on the subject. If they are going to make this sport into a soap opera I will not watch or support them any further. It is pathetic.
Darren. reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 7:31 AM, gripnrip said:Apparently it was on the Bassmaster show on ESPN this morning. He called Alton a "snake". I did not see it nor have I found video. I did post to the BASS facebook page and put my 2 cents in on the subject. If they are going to make this sport into a soap opera I will not watch or support them any further. It is pathetic.
Let's hope it doesn't become the drama-insane "professional" wrestling ... umm ... stuff.
Worst. Acting. Ever.
Keep Bass Fishing Real!
Felix77 reply :
I saw the show this AM and Rojas came off like a crybaby. I also agree that the show came off more like a soap opera and not a bass tournament.
BASS can do themselves a favor and watch the FLW tournaments and Major League fishing. A blend of those with a sprinkle of teaching here and there would be ideal TV for me.
gripnrip reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 8:43 AM, Felix77 said:I saw the show this AM and Rojas came off like a crybaby. I also agree that the show came off more like a soap opera and not a bass tournament.
BASS can do themselves a favor and watch the FLW tournaments and Major League fishing. A blend of those with a sprinkle of teaching here and there would be ideal TV for me.
Honestly what I think they are doing is creating a certain degree of a reality TV show. I don't like it at all. I think they should watch those shows and see how and why they are doing better. I mean, don't get me wrong. I love BASS but I will not tolerate this kind of trash.
I say start a bassresource.com tour! I'll fish it! 
Teal reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 7:01 AM, tritonguy said:This is definitely an argument that should have been handled man to man. Not on ESPN.
Well said. I understand that they are HUMAN and humans will have disagreements and negative opinions. However, they are Elite Series anglers. They should be held to a higher standard than other anglers and should be more professional. They should take care of their dirty laundry in private. Rojas should have been man enough to go talk to Alton personally and not say anything negative to a camera. He doesnt have to sing altons praises to camera but she shouldnt talk about him in a negative manner.
But ill say that the network and BASS may have something to do with it too... this kind of stuff creates buzz...
mjseverson24 reply :
I would probabily say that Rojas is just mad that he did not end up winning the event, but he probabily also does have a valid point that Jones did encroach on his spot. I dont think rojas needs to talk to Jones, if jones took his spot when he was in the lead that is a big no-no and deserves to get blasted publicly. I think rivalry and conflict is good in any sport and fishing is no exception.
Mitch
Zach Dunham reply :
I don't mind this kind of talk / beef / rivalry at all. I don't like fake beef that is created for reality TV shows and whatnot, but if this is a real problem between the two and they aren't kidding, well then use it to grow interest.
arkman reply :
I think Jones was in the wrong if what Rojas said was true. I also think Rojas went a little too far. And I dont think it was a mile long stretch or it sure didnt look like it if it was.
jhoffman reply :
So you can now claim a mile long stretch of river as yours for an entire 4 days? Thats news to me, I thought it was whoever got there first every day. If he spilled the beans as to where he was catching fish, shame on him. Loose lips sink ships.
tomustang reply :
Did someone say ESPN? Hey they got to get their raitings up somehow!
HeavyDluxe reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 6:50 PM, imanidiot777 said:I don't mind this kind of talk / beef / rivalry at all. I don't like fake beef that is created for reality TV shows and whatnot, but if this is a real problem between the two and they aren't kidding, well then use it to grow interest.
I think some of us are trying to say there's a kind of interest we have no desire to see grow.
IMO, we've become hyper-competitive and hyper-macho in plenty of arenas already. I'd like to at someplace where, overall, people can compete like gentleman. Sure, there were disagreements and ticking matches back then. But the vitriol was toned down substantially over today, and people didn't air all their laundry in front of the cameras.
flyfisher reply :
I missed the bassmaster airing of Rojas and his interview but it sounds like it was somethign that should have been handled man to man and not in a public forum and it is kind of crappy that Jones didn't get a chance to say his piece on air as well.
Teal reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 6:50 PM, imanidiot777 said:I don't mind this kind of talk / beef / rivalry at all. I don't like fake beef that is created for reality TV shows and whatnot, but if this is a real problem between the two and they aren't kidding, well then use it to grow interest.
First off, im going to define the word "intrest" more veiwers =more fishermen, more advertising possibilities, and more money for the network, BASS, and the companies pushing products.
Sacrificing professionalism and sportsmanship for capital gain in the sport in down right discusting. Thats whats wrong with alot this society..
Since i brought money into the discussion, ill share anothwr opinion, if i was one of Rojas's sponsors, i would seriously call him and ask him if he thinks that kind of behavior represents me well.
Im not trying to come down on Rojas, i think he is a phenomenal angler and has done good for himself and his sponsors. I still think he is one of the good guys, and i will still pull for him.... i am simply using this latest example of a pro athlete/ fisherman and bad camera/ interveiw behavior to vent..
Professionalism and class is something that is dying in sports and it makes me sick.
Thats my two cents... im now done with this topic.
Zach Dunham reply :
On 3/26/2013 at 12:17 AM, HeavyDluxe said:I think some of us are trying to say there's a kind of interest we have no desire to see grow.
IMO, we've become hyper-competitive and hyper-macho in plenty of arenas already. I'd like to at someplace where, overall, people can compete like gentleman. Sure, there were disagreements and ticking matches back then. But the vitriol was toned down substantially over today, and people didn't air all their laundry in front of the cameras.
Everyone is taking this wayyyyyy too seriously. He called him a "snake". He never called the man garbage. He may have used the term "garbage" to say something like "that's garbage" in relation to what was done. He didn't go on a curse-laden rant. Should he have said something man to man about it? Yes. And maybe he did do that before he got on camera. We don't know.
Bottom line is: this is not a big deal. No one was insulting people's families, swearing, cursing, or even saying anything negative other than what was done on the water. Humans have disagreements in real life and people sometimes do things they shouldn't. Just because they are pro-fisherman doesn't mean they aren't human and it doesn't mean this isn't interesting.
Zach Dunham reply :
On 3/26/2013 at 12:35 AM, Teal said:First off, im going to define the word "intrest" more veiwers =more fishermen, more advertising possibilities, and more money for the network, BASS, and the companies pushing products.
Sacrificing professionalism and sportsmanship for capital gain in the sport in down right discusting. Thats whats wrong with alot this society..
Since i brought money into the discussion, ill share anothwr opinion, if i was one of Rojas's sponsors, i would seriously call him and ask him if he thinks that kind of behavior represents me well.
Im not trying to come down on Rojas, i think he is a phenomenal angler and has done good for himself and his sponsors. I still think he is one of the good guys, and i will still pull for him.... i am simply using this latest example of a pro athlete/ fisherman and bad camera/ interveiw behavior to vent..
Professionalism and class is something that is dying in sports and it makes me sick.
Thats my two cents... im now done with this topic.
Guess what? You aren't one of his sponsors. His sponsors care about making money and if they think this will hurt them then they will say something.
Pretending like there are no problems between anglers, and people in general, is just as fake as creating make-believe problems in a reality show. Like it or not, this is reality. People get in arguments over things. For all you know, he did go talk to Alton first and things didn't go well. As I said above, no one was swearing all over, dissing families, calling names that weren't appropriate, or any of the sort. He simply stated the fact that he thought Jones stole his spot like a snake on the final day and expressed that he was extremely unhappy about it.
I would love to live in everyone's fake world where everyone sings Kumbaya together.
Zach Dunham reply :
From what I have pieced together on other forums and from other reports: Alton was in the same creek on Day 1 later in the day. If he knew about and used that spot before he knew the leader of the tournament was in there, I see no problem with him using that spot on the final day. It isn't really stealing the leader's spot if you knew about it and fished it beforehand.
BrettD reply :
According to his marshal and what Kriet said he prefished there and fished there all 4 days.
On 3/26/2013 at 1:04 AM, imanidiot777 said:From what I have pieced together on other forums and from other reports: Alton was in the same creek on Day 1 later in the day. If he knew about and used that spot before he knew the leader of the tournament was in there, I see no problem with him using that spot on the final day. It isn't really stealing the leader's spot if you knew about it and fished it beforehand.
Zach Dunham reply :
On 3/26/2013 at 3:14 AM, BrettD said:According to his marshal and what Kriet said he prefished there and fished there all 4 days.
I think Rojas is coming off kind of childish in this then. I also read something else that said Jones tried to talk to Rojas after day 2 and settle things and Rojas wanted nothing of it. Running away from facing your problems and then going on TV is quite unmanly.
gripnrip reply :
On 3/26/2013 at 12:54 AM, imanidiot777 said:Everyone is taking this wayyyyyy too seriously. He called him a "snake". He never called the man garbage. He may have used the term "garbage" to say something like "that's garbage" in relation to what was done. He didn't go on a curse-laden rant. Should he have said something man to man about it? Yes. And maybe he did do that before he got on camera. We don't know.
Bottom line is: this is not a big deal. No one was insulting people's families, swearing, cursing, or even saying anything negative other than what was done on the water. Humans have disagreements in real life and people sometimes do things they shouldn't. Just because they are pro-fisherman doesn't mean they aren't human and it doesn't mean this isn't interesting.
I'm not taking it seriously. I just won't watch if this is how they are going to do the show. If that's the case put it on Bravo. They could call it The Real BASS. Dean Rojas could be the star. If I want to watch a soap I'll watch one. I'd rather not watch our sport turn into one.
As far as interesting. That is your opinion. I don't think it is interesting at all. To see a grown man whine how he did and not discuss this privately is disgusting.
RyneB reply :
I was definitely shocked by Rojas' comments. I kept hearing him calling Alton garbage, a snake and unproffesional. I definitely don't think it was fake. I had a problem with Rojas not saying anything to Altons face when he passed him. He was yapping to the camera, but when he passed him he was quiet as a church mouse.
Goose21 reply :
This is rediculous really. Rojas did not own that water, Alton Jones was there throughout the tournament. Rojas needs to take off his skirt, put on some fishing pants, and go fishing.
kadas reply :
Too bad---starting to sound like NASCAR--gave up on it because i do not watch soap operas and if this keeps up i will give up on BASS--if they are promoting this for rating IMO they are making a mistake--will not watch grown men acting like kids on a playground--disappointing--JMHO
Zach Dunham reply :
On 3/26/2013 at 6:49 AM, RyneB said:I was definitely shocked by Rojas' comments. I kept hearing him calling Alton garbage, a snake and unproffesional. I definitely don't think it was fake. I had a problem with Rojas not saying anything to Altons face when he passed him. He was yapping to the camera, but when he passed him he was quiet as a church mouse.
THIS x10
At the very least he should have talked to Alton about it first and solved things between them.
OkeechobeeAngler reply :
This isn't the first time something like this has happened in BASS.
Megastink reply :
come on, guys, SOMEBODY DVR'd the tournament... post that video!
Northern Strain reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 11:59 PM, jhoffman said:So you can now claim a mile long stretch of river as yours for an entire 4 days? Thats news to me, I thought it was whoever got there first every day. If he spilled the beans as to where he was catching fish, shame on him. Loose lips sink ships.
Thank god someone finally said this! Those dudes need to shut up and fish, and if Dean couldn't get there before Jones then tough luck.
ww2farmer reply :
I watched the Basstrak on day 3, and Alton WAS in the same area on day 3. What's he supposed to do, tank the day, or go fish unproductive water and just concede the area to Dean? I could see if Rojas was wayyyy out in front and Faircloth was nipping at his heels, and Alton had no shot, but it was a tight event, with small bags. Jones had just as good a chance of winning as anyone if he could whack a big sack out of there, and if it was the only area he had any faith in he'd be a fool not to go where he caught them on the other 3 days. Kriet even said Jones was in there all 3 days and in practice. None of us will ever know what exactly went down, except the 2 dudes involved, and third for that matter if you consider Kriet was in there too.
Ima Bass Ninja reply :
On 3/26/2013 at 9:36 AM, Megastink said:come on, guys, SOMEBODY DVR'd the tournament... post that video!
I think I still have it on DVR. I will look tonight and post the highlights if it is allowed.
Megastink reply :
On 3/27/2013 at 3:47 AM, Ima Bass Ninja said:I think I still have it on DVR. I will look tonight and post the highlights if it is allowed.
Oh pretty please! Do post the video! I want to watch it!
flippin and pitchin reply :
Do you think this was aired by accident ? The producers were looking to hit a nerve. They didn't have to air Rojas' comments. It was a distraction to an interesting tournament.
TNBassin' reply :
I was watching MLF one day with Rojas and Ish, and Rojas made the comment that Ish "thinks he's a frogger but he's nothing". It may have been just idle trash talk, but it sure sounded like he was ripping on Ish. Now Rojas is pulling this crap on Jones.
Zach Dunham reply :
http://www.bassmaster.com/video/jones-side-story
Jones interview.
PABASS reply :
I watched this tourney on TV and the way its was stated by the announcers was there is a unspoken rule that you don't take a spot from someone poised to win(Rojas) the tourney when your back 7th place(Alton), they then showed Rojas making several comments about the situation, BASS made the situation worse, they fed the troll and the troll took the bait. During this it was stated by the announcers Alton didn't fish this area all week, so whom is trying to create the drama?
J Francho reply :
Three guys found the same fish. That sucks, but it happens. There should have been some discussion, but for whatever reason, there wasn't. I don't think it affected the outcome of the tournament.
senile1 reply :
There are 39 posts on this thread and counting. Look down through the tournament forum threads and you will see that it is rare for a tournament thread to get this many posts.
We can debate how they shouldn't have aired it on television but this thread is a perfect example of why they did.
gripnrip reply :
On 3/28/2013 at 5:01 PM, TNBassin said:I was watching MLF one day with Rojas and Ish, and Rojas made the comment that Ish "thinks he's a frogger but he's nothing". It may have been just idle trash talk, but it sure sounded like he was ripping on Ish. Now Rojas is pulling this crap on Jones.
Yup! I caught that too. He seems like a jerk. There has been some talk about how much of a jerk he is to the marshals in his boat as well.
Dinky reply :
BASS should ask the Marshals of the 3 pros involved about what actually happened-they will be more objective;
There is an unwritten etiquete that you do not poach someone elses spots--but it seems to occur a lot --after all these guys have practiced for 3 days and all of them can read a map/electronics.
Sam reply :
Is this like the Logano-Hamlin fued?
Will this bring excitement to bass fishing?
Will Jones and Rojas have a punch out like Stewart and Logano?
Will Ike go up,down and circle each of these two fisherman while he yells "Never give up!"
Will the G-Man run over their lines?
Will Ish and Hackney have a brawl at the resturant's buffet line?
Stay tuned.
Its bass fishing like NASCAR.
Can't get any better than this!!!!!
jhoffman reply :
Im gonna repeat what I said over on the video page
I dont care if I fished a spot for three days, you come along to the spot and Im not there then you beat me there and I move on. Thats how it works in the world of fishing. You dont go to a trout stream and jump out at the best pool and proclaim everyone there fishing is "garbage" because you caught a 20" fish there yesterday and decided to sleep in an hour and you think you own that hole. Same thing here...
Someone either ran their mouth about the fish in that creek or all the guys really did have limited places to go and just showed up the same place.
In my mind, any day Rojas was there first, it shouldve been his till he pulled out. Same for anyone else. If jones was there first after launching six boats behind then Rojas shouldve went somewhere else.
These are public waters, I see this crap all the time in the public woods as well. A guy thinks because he shot a deer there one year that he can hang a treestand he might not hunt all season and everyone should stay out of the entire area, even if they brought their own stand.
Quillback reply :
On 3/30/2013 at 5:43 AM, jhoffman said:Im gonna repeat what I said over on the video page
I dont care if I fished a spot for three days, you come along to the spot and Im not there then you beat me there and I move on. Thats how it works in the world of fishing. You dont go to a trout stream and jump out at the best pool and proclaim everyone there fishing is "garbage" because you caught a 20" fish there yesterday and decided to sleep in an hour and you think you own that hole. Same thing here...
Someone either ran their mouth about the fish in that creek or all the guys really did have limited places to go and just showed up the same place.
In my mind, any day Rojas was there first, it shouldve been his till he pulled out. Same for anyone else. If jones was there first after launching six boats behind then Rojas shouldve went somewhere else.
These are public waters, I see this crap all the time in the public woods as well. A guy thinks because he shot a deer there one year that he can hang a treestand he might not hunt all season and everyone should stay out of the entire area, even if they brought their own stand.
Well said, I agree 100%.
aavery2 reply :
On 1/23/2015 at 10:24 AM, fisherman556 said:I am a prefesional tournament fisherman just the same as dean, I fish on the flw tour though. Along with many others its my way of earning a living and from the point of view of of a fellow tournament fisherman I believe that Alton was completely out of line. I know some of the guys on the elite tour so I have a little bit on insider info on this topic and from what I've heard Alton was fishing that creek but it was a streach of bank quite a distance from where Dean was fishing. For Alton to go and start in Dean's area on the final day was compleatly unprofesonial. Its one of those unwritten rules of the water that if you are in the back of pack in 12th place and have no chance at winning your supposed to give the leader his room and don't show up at his area on the final day, just for the fact that if your in last place you can't fall any further. Since I fish for my way of making a living I would have been just as angry as dean was because, I too know the pressure of worrying about not only trying to win but also having to worry about making that check to support your family. Some may not agree but I would have bashed him just the same whether or not it was on TV.
Since you have made these statements, why not introduce yourself to us so that we me know you. My point is that it is easy to make statements when no one knows who you are.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Isn't the race to spots part of the contest? I'm all for sportsmanship, but not much into "unwritten rules". It's not like he was first one there and someone encroached inappropriately. If I want to see fighting I'll tune into a UFC event. With exception of MLF, tournament bass fishing is painful enough to watch, these guys need to wise up for all their sakes.
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
I'm just wondering why a FLW pro would drum up a two year old thread to either agree or disagree with the actions of another competitor?
BTW, I invented the internet and currently hold the recipe for KFC.
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 1/27/2015 at 3:33 AM, SPEEDBEAD. said:I'm just wondering why a FLW pro would drum up a two year old thread to either agree or disagree with the actions of another competitor?
BTW, I invented the internet and currently hold the recipe for KFC.
Sounds like a out of work "FLW" pro...
buzzed bait reply :
On 1/27/2015 at 3:33 AM, SPEEDBEAD. said:BTW, I invented the internet and currently hold the recipe for KFC.
you have a counterfeit, i have the original recipe.... and al gore takes all your credit for the interweb!
On 1/27/2015 at 3:42 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Sounds like a out of work "FLW" pro...
denali pro staff is what i think he meant to say
Megastink reply :
Wow, you guys are rough! Haha.
If he's telling the truth; that means he's accomplished more than any of us!
This topic, though old, is not outdated. Though they didn't get into a fistfight, it's not unlike the Poche/Monroe incident. It's about professionalism, and right from wrong. He's just stating his opinion. Though I find it tough to have an opinion on anything without being there first hand.
FloridaFishinFool reply :
Switching gears a little bit here...
Call me suspicious, but I am wondering if maybe there is a marketing ploy behind "manufacturing" disagreements on purpose just to increase ratings and sales?
We have seen this sort of thing for decades in pro wrestling and Hollywood. And I wonder if some of this type of 'disagree on TV' thing is encouraged and maybe even staged to some degree?
Is it possible?
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
I care so much I didn't even catch that this two years old. lol
plumworm reply :
I don't want the KFC recipe, but would love to have their coleslaw recipe.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/23/2015 at 10:24 AM, fisherman556 said:I am a prefesional tournament fisherman just the same as dean, I fish on the flw tour though. Along with many others its my way of earning a living and from the point of view of of a fellow tournament fisherman I believe that Alton was completely out of line. I know some of the guys on the elite tour so I have a little bit on insider info on this topic and from what I've heard Alton was fishing that creek but it was a streach of bank quite a distance from where Dean was fishing. For Alton to go and start in Dean's area on the final day was compleatly unprofesonial. Its one of those unwritten rules of the water that if you are in the back of pack in 12th place and have no chance at winning your supposed to give the leader his room and don't show up at his area on the final day, just for the fact that if your in last place you can't fall any further. Since I fish for my way of making a living I would have been just as angry as dean was because, I too know the pressure of worrying about not only trying to win but also having to worry about making that check to support your family. Some may not agree but I would have bashed him just the same whether or not it was on TV.
Welcome to Bass Resource ~ I hope you can see your way clear to identify yourself.
As a Bass Professional, the membership here would probably like to be able to put a face to the name.
Additionally, knowing that this matter has been discussed & dealt with and for all practical pursues is over with, could you please explain why you've decided to bring this thread back from the dead ?
A-Jay
a1712 reply :
What happened to fisherman556's post? Brian.
hoosierbass07 reply :
I've not followed Alton Jones much but in that interview he gave in that video he sounds like a thoughtful and decent guy.
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 1/30/2015 at 5:15 PM, a1712 said:What happened to fisherman556's post? Brian.
It appears the purported FLWfisherman deleted his own post..
tomustang reply :
Please enlighten us http://www.flwoutdoors.com/community/angler-profile/
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